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Dtruthspeaker:
I know you atheists live on thelushuns and denials but all delusions have expiry dates. And on that day, there is nothing you can do but to fall for the Truth you deny

Ok buddy

DeepSight:
I used to call myself deist ("a rational and intuitive deist" were my specific words, lol) in my early Nairaland days. I have since tired of all labels especially as this thing we call reality is just an utter enigma. I can no longer specifically tell if even the deist god I evisioned back then exists. At a philosophical level, I still grapple with existential thoughts everyday and remain very humble and teachable in this regard.

All normal humans gets tired of whatever isn't working out well so you are not alone that is where humility comes in and what is humility?

Humility is the characteristic of being humble or let's say non-boastful, modest, meager, submissive.

This means a humble person doesn't rely solely on accumulated information he or she got rather a humble person looks forward to a practical application of accumulated information which comes with real benefits.

For instance i was a Muslim the tendency is there that i may not welcome any information that's contrary to what i was fed as a Muslim but humility and righteousness will compel me to welcome superior knowledge that comes along with practical application which has real benefits only the true God and the religion He established can achieve that! Matthew 7:17-18

MaxInDHouse:
All normal humans gets tired of whatever isn't working out well so you are not alone that is where humility comes in and what is humility?

Humility is the characteristic of being humble or let's say non-boastful, modest, meager, submissive.

This means a humble person doesn't rely solely on accumulated information he or she got rather a humble person looks forward to a practical application of accumulated information which comes with real benefits.

For instance i was a Muslim the tendency is there that i may not welcome any information that's contrary to what i was fed as a Muslim but humility and righteousness will compel me to welcome superior knowledge that comes along with practical application which has real benefits only the true God and the religion He established can achieve that! Matthew 7:17-18

I am not quite sure what you have described is humility. It veers more towards open mindedness.

In these matters, humility is the understanding that we know little or nothing and are very small in the scheme of things as well as the preparedness to accept that our views and understandings may be limited or wrong.

Are you prepared to accet that?

DeepSight:
I am not quite sure what you have described is humility. It veers more towards open mindedness.

In these matters, humility is the understanding that we know little or nothing and are very small in the scheme of things as well as the preparedness to accept that our views and understandings may be limited or wrong.

Are you prepared to accet that?

You just repeated exactly what i said but it seems you missed a vital part of it:

Nobody is willing to accept knowledge that is not superior to what he formally had so before you can convince someone you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what you have is beneficial to one and all.

Do you have such?

MaxInDHouse:
You just repeated exactly what i said but it seems you missed a vital part of it:

Nobody is willing to accept knowledge that is not superior to what he formally had so before you can convince someone you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what you have is beneficial to one and all.

Do you have such?

I dont claim to have any superior knowledge. But I challenge the bold. I challenge it for many of the religious who many times are prone to accept absurdities and obvious superstitions above logic and common sense.

DeepSight:
I dont claim to have any superior knowledge. But I challenge the bold. I challenge it for many of the religious who many times are prone to accept absurdities and obvious superstitions above logic and common sense.

Surely you don't know the real meaning of humility!

When you are humble you don't think of how to argue rather what will benefit you and all your neighbors so even though the information seems absurd or illogical a humble person will seek to know what benefit it will bring.

Take for instance in some thousands of years ago nobody believes that this planet as big as it is could be hanging on nothing {Job 26:7} nobody believes that this planet could be round (spherical) {Isaiah 40:22} nobody believes that water is recircling and that it's the same thing we are using for thousands of year! Job 36:27-28

WHY?

Because all these things sounds absurd, illogical, superstitious with no common sense!

But what do we have today?

Well let's assume you could travel back to speak with people claiming intelligent back then it's exactly what you just said now that they will tell you.

So where is the humility if all what you want to do is stick to the knowledge people around you called LOGICAL?

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you don't know the real meaning of humility!

When you are humble you don't think of how to argue rather what will benefit you and all your neighbors so even though the information seems absurd or illogical a humble person will seek to know what benefit it will bring.

Take for instance in some thousands of years ago nobody believes that this planet as big as it is could be hanging on nothing {Job 26:7} nobody believes that this planet could be round (spherical) {Isaiah 40:22} nobody believes that water is recircling and that it's the same thing we are using for thousands of year! Job 36:27-28

WHY?

Because all these things sounds absurd, illogical, superstitious with no common sense!

But what do we have today?

Well let's assume you could travel back to speak with people claiming intelligent back then it's exactly what you just said now that they will tell you.

So where is the humility if all what you want to do is stick to the knowledge people around you called LOGICAL?

Point of correction, people have known the Earth is spherical for millenia.

DeepSight:
Point of correction, people have known the Earth is spherical for millenia.

Now you've proved to be humble for real!
Please who taught you the above and in which school?
Because i was taught long before i knew the Bible that people in ancient times thought the earth was flat.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you've proved to be humble for real!
Please who taught you the above and in which school?
Because i was taught long before i knew the Bible that people in ancient times thought the earth was flat.

Greeks for example, knew it was round long long ago.

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The earliest documented knowledge that the Earth is round dates back to ancient Greek philosophers in the 5th century BC. While earlier cultures often depicted the world as a flat disc, Greek thinkers began to propose a spherical Earth based on observation and reasoning.

Key Figures and Arguments
The idea of a spherical Earth wasn't a sudden discovery but rather a developing concept supported by several philosophers over time:

Pythagoras (c. 570–c. 500 BC): While the evidence is debated, some sources credit him with being the first to suggest a spherical Earth. His reasoning was more philosophical than empirical, believing the sphere to be the most "perfect" and harmonious geometric shape.

Plato (c. 427–c. 347 BC): Plato referenced the concept of a round Earth in his writings, indicating it was an emerging idea during his time.

Aristotle (c. 384–c. 322 BC): Aristotle provided the first strong empirical arguments for a spherical Earth. He observed that:

The Earth's shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is always round. The only shape that consistently casts a circular shadow is a sphere.

As one travels north or south, the positions of stars change. For example, the North Star appears lower in the sky as one moves south. This is only possible on a curved surface.

When a ship sails away, its hull disappears below the horizon before its mast and sails. This phenomenon can only be explained by the ship traveling over a curved surface.

Measuring the Earth's Circumference
Building upon this knowledge, the Hellenistic astronomer Eratosthenes (c. 276–c. 194 BC) took the next major step. Around 240 BC, he not only accepted that the Earth was round but also calculated its circumference with remarkable accuracy using a simple but brilliant method.

He knew that in the city of Syene (modern Aswan, Egypt), the sun was directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice, casting no shadows.

At the same time, in Alexandria, a stick cast a small shadow, indicating the sun was not directly overhead.

By measuring the angle of the shadow in Alexandria and knowing the distance between the two cities, he used geometry to calculate the Earth's circumference. His result was surprisingly close to the modern value.

This knowledge was widespread among educated people in the ancient and medieval worlds, debunking the common misconception that people before Christopher Columbus believed the Earth was flat.

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DeepSight:
Greeks for example, knew it was round long long ago.

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The earliest documented knowledge that the Earth is round dates back to ancient Greek philosophers in the 5th century BC. While earlier cultures often depicted the world as a flat disc, Greek thinkers began to propose a spherical Earth based on observation and reasoning.

Key Figures and Arguments
The idea of a spherical Earth wasn't a sudden discovery but rather a developing concept supported by several philosophers over time:

Pythagoras (c. 570–c. 500 BC): While the evidence is debated, some sources credit him with being the first to suggest a spherical Earth. His reasoning was more philosophical than empirical, believing the sphere to be the most "perfect" and harmonious geometric shape.

Plato (c. 427–c. 347 BC): Plato referenced the concept of a round Earth in his writings, indicating it was an emerging idea during his time.

Aristotle (c. 384–c. 322 BC): Aristotle provided the first strong empirical arguments for a spherical Earth. He observed that:

The Earth's shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is always round. The only shape that consistently casts a circular shadow is a sphere.

As one travels north or south, the positions of stars change. For example, the North Star appears lower in the sky as one moves south. This is only possible on a curved surface.

When a ship sails away, its hull disappears below the horizon before its mast and sails. This phenomenon can only be explained by the ship traveling over a curved surface.

Measuring the Earth's Circumference
Building upon this knowledge, the Hellenistic astronomer Eratosthenes (c. 276–c. 194 BC) took the next major step. Around 240 BC, he not only accepted that the Earth was round but also calculated its circumference with remarkable accuracy using a simple but brilliant method.

He knew that in the city of Syene (modern Aswan, Egypt), the sun was directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice, casting no shadows.

At the same time, in Alexandria, a stick cast a small shadow, indicating the sun was not directly overhead.

By measuring the angle of the shadow in Alexandria and knowing the distance between the two cities, he used geometry to calculate the Earth's circumference. His result was surprisingly close to the modern value.

This knowledge was widespread among educated people in the ancient and medieval worlds, debunking the common misconception that people before Christopher Columbus believed the Earth was flat.

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Isaiah wrote the book bearing his name in the year 732 BC
So God has inspired him before anyone and what about gravity that's hanging the earth upon nothing as written by Moses around 1657 BC?
Or has that also been known before it was revealed to Moses?

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah wrote the book bearing his name in the year 732 BC
So God has inspired him before anyone and what about gravity that's hanging the earth upon nothing as written by Moses around 1657 BC?
Or has that also been known before it was revealed to Moses?

The Greeks didnt get it from Isaiah, and if they could have reasoned it out themselves, then others could have as well.

NnamdiPapa you have not answered me.

Are you busy with a carnivore meal?

DeepSight:
The Greeks didnt get it from Isaiah, and if they could have reasoned it out themselves, then others could have as well.

I'm not saying they got it from Isaiah but what we heard is that while these people are still debating as in arguing among themselves whether it is true or not the God of Israel has inspired Isaiah to pen it down accurately!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not saying they got it from Isaiah but what we heard is that while these people are still debating as in arguing among themselves whether it is true or not the God of Israel has inspired Isaiah to pen it down accurately!

How do you knw they simply didnt reason it out as well. There was much ancient knowledge you know?

DeepSight:
How do you knw they simply didnt reason it out as well. There was much ancient knowledge you know?

These Isrealites weren't philosophers or researchers rather they were simple men within their people unlike Greeks who were ruling the known world at that time always arguing over what each of them discovers instead when Israelite prophets pen down any information they are straight to the point they don't expect anyone to debate with them because they don't know how to defend what a spirit revealed to them so let's be realistic and HUMBLE to accept the truth that God revealed these things to His own servants!

MaxInDHouse:
These Isrealites weren't philosophers or researchers rather they were simple men within their people unlike Greeks who were ruling the known world at that time always arguing over what each of them discovers instead when Israelite prophets pen down any information they are straight to the point they don't expect anyone to debate with them because they don't know how to defend what a spirit revealed to them so let's be realistic and HUMBLE to accept the truth that God revealed these things to His own servants!

What is the use of revealing a thing that scientists, thinkers and co are already discovering, even if shortly later by a couple of centuries? That is demeaning to the supposed majesty of Divine revelation. Is that the sort of thing Divinity reveals?

DeepSight:
What is the use of revealing a thing that scientists, thinkers and co are already discovering, even if shortly later by a couple of centuries?

The Bible God claimed He's the Creator of all things so by revealing such things He is assuring His servants that they are in safe hands and all they just need is to have absolute trust in Him because He knew everything about their planet home!

DeepSight:
That is demeaning to the supposed majesty of Divine revelation. Is that the sort of thing Divinity reveals?

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so God's purpose is to tell His servants things that will happen in the future and what they need to do when such events are unfolding. This will strengthen their faith in Him that He is worthy of trust!

I just wish you read this post again and think about what the word HUMILITY truly means!

DeepSight:
I am not quite sure what you have described is humility. It veers more towards open mindedness. In these matters, humility is the understanding that we know little or nothing and are very small in the scheme of things as well as the preparedness to accept that our views and understandings may be limited or wrong.
Are you prepared to accet that?

Please Mr DeepSight i wish we discuss more on profitable knowledge that comes with real benefits not just carrying informations for the sake of it but to find practical application for what we think we know and helping others to make the best use of it for one and all!

If there is nothing more tonight i wish you a good night sleep.

See you some other time!

DeepSight:
NnamdiPapa you have not answered me.

Are you busy with a carnivore meal?

I am so sorry, I am bogged down with appointments but I will be able to engage soon. I had my meal already.

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah wrote the book bearing his name in the year 732 BC
So God has inspired him before anyone and what about gravity that's hanging the earth upon nothing as written by Moses around 1657 BC?
Or has that also been known before it was revealed to Moses?

The same passages that are used by flat earthers as proof that the Earth is flat. That is the thing with the Bible, it is ambiguous enough to make it say anything you want.

Zaheertyler:
Ignorance
Who told you that God has magic powers?

Didn't he 'create' the world?

LordReed:
The same passages that are used by flat earthers as proof that the Earth is flat. That is the thing with the Bible, it is ambiguous enough to make it say anything you want.

Like the prophecies of Nostradamus.

DeepSight:
Like the prophecies of Nostradamus.

Exactly!

LordReed:
The same passages that are used by flat earthers as proof that the Earth is flat. That is the thing with the Bible, it is ambiguous enough to make it say anything you want.

Where are those saying that about the Bible?
You need to start thinking intelligently.

Imagine five different students pick up a textbook without assembling in a class before a qualified teacher do you think they will all arrive at the same understanding of what is written in the textbook?

Come on my guy a wise person won't just discard the textbook due to the way those students interpreted it differently contradicting themselves rather a wise person will ask them to put whatever they interpreted into practice because it's the one who is able to produce the expected end result that proved he or she truly understood what he read! Matthew 7:16-18

DeepSight:
Like the prophecies of Nostradamus.

My HUMBLE friend, why did you run away from our discussion?

MaxInDHouse:
My HUMBLE friend, why did you run away from our discussion?

Its a Sunday morning, relax. I am still in bed as a non church goer. I am coming.

MaxInDHouse:
Where are those saying that about the Bible?
You need to start thinking intelligently.

Imagine five different students pick up a textbook without assembling in a class before a qualified teacher do you think they will all arrive at the same understanding of what is written in the textbook?

Come on my guy a wise person won't just discard the textbook due to the way those students interpreted it differently contradicting themselves rather a wise person will ask them to put whatever they interpreted into practice because it's the one who is able to produce the expected end result that proved he or she truly understood what he read! Matthew 7:16-18

Unfortunately for you textbooks are standardised, no student can succeed in continuing to apply the wrong conclusions. Not so for the Bible. Every Tom and Harry can apply whatever interpretation they like and succeed at it.

Where are they? They are right here on Nairaland. Search for flat earth and you’ll see them.

LordReed:
Unfortunately for you textbooks are standardised, no student can succeed in continuing to apply the wrong conclusions. Not so for the Bible. Every Tom and Harry can apply whatever interpretation they like and succeed at it.
Where are they? They are right here on Nairaland. Search for flat earth and you’ll see them.

The highlighted shows that you don't know what success really means to God but i will teach you.
Are they organized in the preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God? Matthew 28:19-20
Do they have love among themselves as foretold by Jesus as the mark of success among his true disciples? John 13:34-35
Do they speak in harmony evidence that they have the same line of thought? John 17:22
Are they blameless when it comes to worldly politics {John 17:14-16} which leads people into hating and killing their fellow worshipers? Revelations 6:3-4

You need to know what God counts as SUCCESS before saying they are successful!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows that you don't know what success really means to God but i will teach you.
Are they organized in the preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God? Matthew 28:19-20
Do they have love among themselves as foretold by Jesus as the mark of success among his true disciples? John 13:34-35
Do they speak in harmony evidence that they have the same line of thought? John 17:22
Are they blameless when it comes to worldly politics {John 17:14-16} which leads people into hating and killing their fellow worshipers? Revelations 6:3-4

You need to know what God counts as SUCCESS before saying they are successful!

Neither do you. Anybody can say the god said anything they like and have followers and prosper. You don't hold the monopoly on that.

LordReed:
Neither do you. Anybody can say the god said anything they like and have followers and prosper. You don't hold the monopoly on that.

What does the Bible God call success?

MaxInDHouse:
What does the Bible God call success?

The Bible god doesn't say anything. It is you believers who talk for the god and you say whatever you like.