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Boomark:
Ask me. One at a time

Julia25:
if God were to go on his own errand, will He also fit into the term "Angel" as he is technically a messenger of himself , doing His own will.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Jesus never claim to be God it's the idea of trinitarians so Jesus is a messenger of God according to his first century disciples:

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. ‭Acts 3:13 NIV‬

Julia25:
Is that the only verse you’ve got? Because I can rattle off Jesus’ own words from Revelation where He says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End’ (Revelation 22:13).

And you don’t even have to go far—this title isn't just New Testament flair; it's right there in the Old Testament too. In Isaiah 44:6, God Himself declares, ‘I am the First and I am the Last; apart from me there is no God.’ So, the Alpha and Omega isn’t just some cool catchphrase; it's a title that spans both Testaments, showing the eternal and unchanging nature of God.

From this two, I beg to differ

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem is because at Revelations 22:12-13 this is what i found in my own copy of the Bible:

“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

There are three persons talking to the reader in the book of Revelations:

Jehovah God.
Jesus.
Apostle John.

So if care is not taken you will mistake what one said for another!

Julia25:
So is Jehovah God coming quickly?

MaxInDHouse:
He is the one coming not Jesus because Jesus is coming to do God's will that's why he also said he is coming.

For instance when God said:

“I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites. Now look! The outcry of the people of Israel has reached me, and I have seen also the harsh way that the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now come, I will send you to Pharʹaoh, and you will bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt." Exodus 3:7-10

The person coming to do His own will is God but the person who will represent Him is Moses that's why God told Moses that he (Moses) will appear before Pharaoh as God! Exodus 7:1

So when God told the Israelites that He will still send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter explained that Jesus is that prophet who served as servant of God but acted as God in the midst of God's people! Act 3:22

Julia25:
You do know the same phrase was used when He was discussing with Abraham: "I will go down"
In the case above He went down himself, so why now did you decide He's incapable of coming by himself but relies on some intermediary, Jesus, to come down ?

Jesus while yet an intermediary is also God, if you assert that's God speaking then it will mean that God has a God because he mentions this here. Revelation 3:12

You are basically choosing and picking when it's God speaking and when it's some representative . So do you agree that's it Jehovah that spoke here?

As for the Moses' verse, God did bring them out. At least He was there

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is wrong!

It was an angel who represented God as spokesman among the three angels.

No man has seen God at anytime! John 1:18

Julia25:
Yet the only begotten Son from the Father hath revealed him
Two were Angels, Jesus was the third—at least in his pre-incarnate form.

Also, there are lots of theophanies of those that saw the Father , so who did they see?
Perhaps Stephen didn't really see Jesus standing beside the Father . Even John saw the Father , so I beg to differ.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the one coming not Jesus because Jesus is coming to do God's will that's why he also said he is coming. Revelations 22:20

For instance when God said:

“I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites. Now look! The outcry of the people of Israel has reached me, and I have seen also the harsh way that the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now come, I will send you to Pharʹaoh, and you will bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt." Exodus 3:7-10

The person coming to do His own will is God but the person who will represent Him is Moses that's why God told Moses that he (Moses) will appear before Pharaoh as God! Exodus 7:1

So when God told the Israelites that He will still send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter explained that Jesus is that prophet who served as servant of God but acted as God in the midst of God's people! Act 3:22

Steep:
what you fail to understand is that it was God that actually came down from heaven by himself.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.


Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

God called him from the fire so God actually came down.
I can even show you from Jehovah's witness publication that Jehovah can become anything to fulfill his plan.

MaxInDHouse:
God can become whatever it takes to fulfill His purpose but no man has seen Him which means He never appear to any human!

Steep:
you have shifted to seeing God.
The context of what John was saying is the father. No man has seen God means no man has seen God in his spiriual form but does not mean God has not appeared before.
God appeared as the angel of the LORD but it doesn't mean he is an angel, he appeared as fire but it does mean he is fire, he appeared as pillar cloud it does not mean he is pillar cloud and so on and so forth. People have encountered God but that does not mean they actually saw him in is true heavenly form which is impossible for man to comprehend.

Steep:
you have shifted to seeing God.
The context of what John was saying is the father. No man has seen God means no man has seen God in his spiriual form but does not mean God has not appeared before.
God appeared as the angel of the LORD but it doesn't mean he is an angel, he appeared as fire but it does mean he is fire, he appeared as pillar cloud it does not mean he is pillar cloud and so on and so forth. People have encountered God but that does not mean they actually saw him in is true heavenly form which is impossible for man to comprehend.

you have shifted to seeing God

Julia25:
You do know the same phrase was used when He was discussing with Abraham: "I will go down"
In the case above He went down himself, so why now did you decide He's incapable of coming by himself but relies on some intermediary, Jesus, to come down ?

Jesus while yet an intermediary is also God, if you assert that's God speaking then it will mean that God has a God because he mentions this here. Revelation 3:12

You are basically choosing and picking when it's God speaking and when it's some representative . So do you agree that's it Jehovah that spoke here?

As for the Moses' verse, God did bring them out. At least He was there

achorladey:
Their darling NWT says......

So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose* to Become.”*p And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’”q


Interpreting this will mean their Jehovah became Jesus to bring salvation to the nation of Israel and the whole world

Jesus said..............

I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me. If someone else came in his own name, you would receive that one.

Moreover, the crowds going ahead of him and those following him kept shouting: “Save, we pray, the Son of David!i Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!j Save him, we pray, in the heights above!”*

The question becomes can Jehovah chose to become Jesus to save his people?



You know him now, jumping from pillar to post to twist the conversation na their mode of operation.

Steep:
I tire for max. The blindness is real. If Jehovah "can become anything to fulfill His purpose" Does that not mean he can also become a man? That is exactly what Christianity said that they are fighting against it.

Boomark:
Go and read jor.

I have been dealing with those claiming to get revelation from the spirit but they reject Christ in the open. Their interpretation is from the spirit of antichrist.

Chibuezem:
😂😂😂😂
You are fighting a battle against the spirit of AntiChrist... A spirit that denies the divinity of Christ.

Boomark:
2 John 1:9 HCSB
[9]Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.


Even demons recognized that Jesus is the son of God. If you want, shout divinity of Christ from morning till night, and if you have rejected these teachings of Jesus or twisted them, you don't have God or Jesus.

You go beyond to form a name(Trinity) and doctrine for yourselves.

1. The Father is greater than I, (John 14:28). Instead you people make him equal to God.
2. The Father is My God and your God, (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12)
3. I have come to do the will of my God, (Psalm 40:7-8, Hebrew 10:5-7)
4. Pray to the Father, (. John 16:23-27, Matthew 6:6-9)
5. Worship God the Father in spirit and truth, (John 4:21-26). The Messiah explained it, Vs 26.
6. Make them one just as we are one. (Join 17:21-22)
7. The Father is the only true God, (John 17:3).
8. I come from God. (John 16:27,30).

It is only the spirit of the antichrist that can make people to reject the teachings of Jesus Christ.

It is that same spirit that made you to reject the words of Jesus Christ in the scriptures below.

John 17:3 NIV
[3] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God [/b]and the name of the [b]city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Do you believe the words of Jesus in these scriptures?

See as antichrist spirit will tell you to shut up and never answer it they pretend to serve God with empty words.

Image123:
Nobody rejects Jesus because of Trinity or no Trinity. If there's any rejection, it's likely because of attitude and lack of clarity on your part or part of those arguing. Like i said, you have been unable to show the benefits of believing or not believing your doctrine that exceeds being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity.
i liken it to being in a school and knowing the VC or lecturer's house and family. While it has its side benefits, no such knowledge and intimacy is required for the student to graduate. And it is more important to graduate as a student than to know your lecturer or VC's personal things. This is very similar. As i have stated, if you want to discuss about God on anything, create a thread, notify me, i'll see how to find time. It's up to you what you want to do with AI in the background. My faith is not built on people, events, AI and algorithms regardless of what they say.

Image123:
i remember telling Boomark this but he went headlong like Judas into unrighteousness

Chibuezem:
I believe the Words of Jesus Christ 🙌🙌🙌😍

Julia25:
That one is not a Christian, he is self-deluded. I caught him in his lie. He said Jesus wasn't the word of God and later on affirmed he was the word of God No, be juju be that.

There are lots of questions he failed to answer; he is a very shy dude for he cannot stand scrutiny. The best is to pray for him apart from this, just leave him to his delusions .

Boomark:
Nice. Remember to put it in practice so you don't believe and also believe the opposite of Jesus' words.

Boomark:
John 8:44 LSB
[44] You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

See your father here. It is in your nature.

And see where I was begging you to provide screenshots of where I said exactly what you wrote because I knew you are already dressimitating your darling father against saint boomark.

https://www.nairaland.com/8500971/god-men-trinity-deity-christ/4#136569868

Boomark:
I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

Genesis 1:3 NIV
[3] And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

"Let there be lights" is word. His word created light because he didn't use machine to create it.

The world was created by his word.

You people became confused when his word was made flesh and was known as Jesus. Those who know the truth and the source of everything won't be confused by this below.

The world was created by Jesus (his word)

This is why trinitarians don't want me to rest. They refused to accept the source while holding unto the surface.

The other questions will be answered in my last claim tonight or tomorrow morning in the trinity challenge thread.

I don't know where you got the bolded. It is too early to start making mistakes.

Chibuezem:
Yes I count on the holyspirit to help me manifest The words of Jesus Christ.

Julia25:
Angel is a generic term with different meanings . Which are you alluding to? A messenger or a set of 'beings'—If your answer was a set of beings it begs the question, "is he a cherub?" And if God were to go on his own errand, will He also fit into the term "Angel" as he is technically a messenger of himself , doing His own will.

Julia25:
Let me expose your folly.

Here are your exact words🥱


Pls, compare with the screenshot. Since, you love to lie so much, I just have to expose the spirit that works in you! For We(christians) do not have such spirit within us. Any one can confirm what he said by comparing his 'quote' above with what's found in the screenshot.

Julia25:
Let me expose your folly.

Here are your exact words🥱


Pls, compare with the screenshot. Since, you love to lie so much, I just have to expose the spirit that works in you! For We(christians) do not have such spirit within us. Any one can confirm what he said by comparing his 'quote' above with what's found in the screenshot.

Boomark:
Nice. Lets see if what you are manifesting is from God or from the spirit of antichrist. Answer these questions and don't RUN or DODGE THEM.

1. Do you believe that Jesus is a servant of God which confirmed by himself?

2. Do you believe that Jesus has a God. His God is the Father?

3. Do you believe that ONE GOD over all (including Jesus) is the Father not 3 persons?

4. Do you believe that God the Father has a God over him according to a trinitarian, Image123?

All has scriptures except number 4. You can request for scriptures if you are not sure.

After this you can ask me any question in the world with respect to trinity. I will answer you. You can quote whatever I have written anywhere but don't twist it.

Julia25 started with lies and false accusations. I will not waste time with those who has satan as their husband and doing his will. Doing cut and join of what I said to gain advantage. I am unafraid and too loaded by God's grace to answer any question against trinity but can't answer those with lyinq spirit.