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Christistruth03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lEgZTKCVI



The Bible says in the mouth of at least two withnesses let every fact be established

This is the Ijaw version and it tally’s perfectly with the Yoruba version

Osariemen12:
Yorubas should be thankful to us for birthing Prince Izoduwa (though banished from our Bini kingdom). His banishment led to the founding of Ile Ife because he settled there. It is his name Izoduwa that most Yorubas corrupt to Oduduwa which has no meaning in Yoruba language as of today.

It is high time young people in the southwestern part of Nigeria were taught the real history and origin of their founding fathers instead of the cock and bull story of someone falling from the sky. It is shameful.

In all, all the kings in Yoruba land are subjects of the Oba of Bini. I urge His Royal Majesty Oba Ewuare the 2nd, the great son of Oba Akporokporo of Bini Kingdom, to weigh into the tussle between his two subjects and settle whatever the case may be as a father.

Oba gha tokpe'ere!

saddler:
Let me give you an example. The title of Olu of Warri is called Ogiame. This literally means Lord of the waters. Ogiame and Ogiso are both Edoid words having the prefix "Ogie" meaning Lord.

saddler:
The other words "iso" and "Ame" means Sky and water respectively.
These words Ogiso and Ogiame do not mean descendant from sky or water. As the Itsekiri people do not see their king as descending from water despite being called Ogiame.

I hope you get it

Ofemannnu:
Even with all the evidences posted from the time when my grandfather was not even birthed,you are still arguing.
We have nothing to gain financially from this old history but you can't reinvent the wheel,you cant rewrite the history of Benin.
The greatest of Benin historian was Jacob Egharevba, his book
(Ekharavbi itan Edo (1933) and its first translation A short history of Benin (Lagos, C.M.S Bookshop1936)
opened thus ...Many, many years ago, Odua ( oduduwa) of uhe( Ile-Ife) the father and the progenitor

of the Yoruba Kings sent his eldest son Obagodo who took the title of Ogiso with a

large retinue all the way from Uhe to found a Kingdom in this part of the World.

At the moment of his departure his father gave him a charm in the form of a snail

shell containing some earth to invest him with absolute power and right over the

lands that should come under his sway".P.7


The first and all other Ogisos are from Oduduwa which means that Yorubas were the progenitors of those Ogisos and later Eweka,the first Oba of Benin.

Everything revolved around Yoruba.


Would you dispute his narration and all the evidences that negate your opinion?

Ofemannnu:
Even with all the evidence posted from the time when my grandfather was not even birthed,you are still arguing.
We have nothing to gain financially from this old history but you can't reinvent the wheel,you cant rewrite the history of Benin.
The greatest of Benin historian was Jacob Egharevba, his book
(Ekharavbi itan Edo (1933) and its first translation A short history of Benin (Lagos, C.M.S Bookshop1936)
opened thus ...Many, many years ago, Odua ( oduduwa) of uhe( Ile-Ife) the father and the progenitor

of the Yoruba Kings sent his eldest son Obagodo who took the title of Ogiso with a

large retinue all the way from Uhe to found a Kingdom in this part of the World.

At the moment of his departure his father gave him a charm in the form of a snail

shell containing some earth to invest him with absolute power and right over the

lands that should come under his sway".P.7


The first and all other Ogisos are from Oduduwa which means that Yorubas were the progenitors of those Ogisos and later Eweka,the first Oba of Benin.

Everything revolved around Yoruba.


Would you dispute his narration and all the evidences that negate your opinion?

SadiqBabaSani:
Ooni is superior to the Alaafin,

Alaafin is a subject of the Ooni of Ife,

The product cannot elevate itself above the manufacturer

Shikena:
Do you even know the history of that statement? What occasion led to that saying? What did the descendants of Oduduwa gather to do that led to that? Eyin olote just clutching at anything

brownlolly:
Oduduwa was not an Ooni. He was the king.

The title Ooni started with Adimu. The son of a slave sacrificed to the gods. He was raised by Oduduwa and he became important in the royal household. And that was why he was placed in charge of the kingdom when Oranyan moved to Oyo.

Babinski:
The "Adimu" story is not supported by established historical accounts. It is highly unlikely that a slave would be elevated to Priest-King status and left in charge of an ancestral kingdom by Oranmiyan going by known Yoruba traditions and culture.

The Ooni is also known as "Arole Oodua" (heir to Oduduwa). It is therefore clear that Oranmiyan as a descendant of Oduduwa would be very unlikely to thrust a slave into the role of an heir to Oduduwa by installing the slave on the throne of Oduduwa.

Babinski:
The "Adimu" story is not supported by established historical accounts. It is highly unlikely that a slave would be elevated to Priest-King status and left in charge of an ancestral kingdom by Oranmiyan going by known Yoruba traditions and culture.

The Ooni is also known as "Arole Oodua" (heir to Oduduwa). It is therefore clear that Oranmiyan as a descendant of Oduduwa would be very unlikely to thrust a slave into the role of an heir to Oduduwa by installing the slave on the throne of Oduduwa.

Ghostagain:
Oranmiyan never existed, neither did oduduwa. These ethnic fairytales need to be treated as such, they were created by politicians in the colonial era.

Oni of ife is not an emperor, he leads only Ife, which was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started urbanizing it. Nobody migrated from Ife.
It is the British and southwest politicians who elevated the Oni of ife above his original position of minor king (or priest). Oyo actually has a king of a real kingdom, not a king/priest of a small settlement like Ife had.

lawani:
According to Ijesa account, Oyo has not always been prominent and Ife was at one point mainly under the protection of Ijesa. The Owa Obokun was a son of Oduduwa and when there was civil war in Ile Ife, he quelled the war and said the unborn child of Oduduwa's Oluwo will be made King. Ijesa account says he was the one that impregnated the Oluwo that belonged to his Dad. The child of the Oluwo became the first Ooni. When the kid is regally dressed, people will ask who is this child and they will say Omo Oluwo ni which was contracted to Ooni

brownlolly:
You know when I read it, I thought the same thing too, but in the face of so many obscure comments and stories, it also kinda seemed reasonable, and it supports the statement of the fact that Oyo became the political stronghold since Oranyan moved there.
I'm open to other stories though, even though I'd stick to this one for now.

You mentioned historical accounts. Can you share references?

Babinski:
It is a common historical account that the Ijesa people originally lived in Ile-Ife before migrating to Ilesa and environs. The Ijesa trace their origin to Owa Obokun in some accounts and to Owa Ajibogun in other accounts. Both were said to be sons or grandsons of Oduduwa.

No genuine historical account affirms that Ile-Ife was ever under the protection of Ijesa. Oduduwa is widely agreed as the first Ooni. It is also widely agreed that Ooni is contracted from Oonirisa meaning "owner or custodian of the gods or dieties".

Sorry to say but the "Omo Oluwo ni" story is no more than a feeble and laughable attempt at revisionism.

Solosolojohquay:
I think the story is true that the crown alafin is wearing now was given to him I used to wonder why the late alafin adeyemi always wore (abetiaja cap) during outing why the other lesser king wore their crown same thing is with the new alafin now always on cap I think the only crown the alafin has now is the beaded ancient crown proof me right if am wrong from this perspective is clear to note that ooni is the superior king can you if count the crown of ooni .

Solosolojohquay:
I think the story is true that the crown alafin is wearing now was given to him I used to wonder why the late alafin adeyemi always wore (abetiaja cap) during outing why the other lesser king wore their crown same thing is with the new alafin now always on cap I think the only crown the alafin has now is the beaded ancient crown proof me right if am wrong from this perspective is clear to note that ooni is the superior king can you if count the crown of ooni .

Biodun556:
The product rule over the manufacturer for 100s of years

Ghostagain:
Oranmiyan never existed, neither did oduduwa. These ethnic fairytales need to be treated as such, they were created by politicians in the colonial era.

Oni of ife is not an emperor, he leads only Ife, which was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started urbanizing it. Nobody migrated from Ife.
It is the British and southwest politicians who elevated the Oni of ife above his original position of minor king (or priest). Oyo actually has a king of a real kingdom, not a king/priest of a small settlement like Ife had.

immaculatesense:
Is that New?
USA was once a slave land to ENGLAND.
For hundreds of years now, ENGLAND has been bowing to USA who are the superpower.

Does that Change the history that England have USA her independence?
Can't a child be richer than his father? Can't a wicked rich child treat his father like rag and slave.
Does that change the fact that the Father is still the biological father of the son. Does Power change fact and history?
Ife gave birth to Oyo, who became a super power. Does that change the fact that Ife gave birth to Oyo?

No Be Juju Be Dat?

immaculatesense:
Eeyah...see historian.
Please teach us since Oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed.
Who founded Ife?
Who founded Oyo?
Who was the first Ooni of Ife?
Who was the first Alaafin of Oyo?

Since I am Yoruba and I don't know my progenitors like you said.
Please tell me the names of my progenitors. WISE ONE.
No Be Juju Be Dat?