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sonmvayina:
God's spirit whether good or evil are the forces that sustain life in the universe.
It formed the cosmos and holds it in existence.
We, humans are that spirit experiencing life in multiple ways...
The proper understanding of this is the beginning of your salvation...

MaxInDHouse:
So after a careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation we can say the holy spirit could be defined as God's active force which He uses in many ways to accomplish His purposes.

sonmvayina:
The breath that God breath to man that is the same image and likeness as God is called?

Maximus692:
You try jàre!

sonmvayina:
You did not answer it.
please try. humor me

MaxInDHouse:
What is the Holy Spirit?
How does the Holy Spirit works?
Who are those having the Holy Spirit?

Let's use the Bible to answer all these questions starting from the first question!

According to Jesus of Nazareth God is a spirit {John 4:24} so can we conclude that whenever the scriptures mention "Holy Spirit" it's God Himself?

Let's go back to the first Bible book and see what the scriptures say about the spirit of God:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. ‭Genesis 1:1-2 NIV‬

Can we conclude that God Himself is the one hovering over the waters?

Why did the writer say it's the spirit of God that was hovering over the waters instead of saying God Himself?

These questions may seem easy to answer but they are the root cause of contradictions in Christendom till today!

So what is your take on this topic?

Truvelisback:
The Holy spirit is a person, not a force as JW claimed He is. The Bible used a pronoun "He", to describe Him. JW Bible is misleading.

MaxInDHouse:
So do you know any group of believers in whose gathering Mr Holy Spirit is active?
Jehovah's Witnesses say it's God's active force and they have so much WORKS to back up their faith! James 2:18-26😟

Truvelisback:
JW belief is wrong. It is written in your JW that way because they edited what the Bible says to suit their belief. That's why you guys have your own Bible. HolySpirit is active in every genuine group of believers.

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

MaxInDHouse:
Going by the highlighted i believe Jesus who said:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

James seconded this saying:

"Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" James 2:26

So instead of judging based on your own preconceived thought why not present a gathering of worshipers where Mr Holy Spirit is actively helping them to exhibit His fine qualities as a group? Galatians 5:22-23

Jehovah's Witnesses say the holy spirit is their God's active force and the whole world can see it WORKING OUT WHAT IS FINE in their gathering! Matthew 5:14-16

















So please mention just one church where Mr Holy Spirit is actively helping them to perform like this if truly you know Mr Holy Spirit better than Jehovah's Witnesses!😟

Truvelisback:
And you feel these people and their comments is enough proof that they are better? What if I start bringing up positive comments of other believers? Let me be frank here, if you think all JW members are people nice or kindhearted people, then you must be compromising. I have met many of them. They are very secretive and some of them aren't what you portay them to be. The only good thing about them is that they don't wash their dirty linen in the public and they try to prevent their inner saga from getting to the public.

MaxInDHouse:
So after a careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation we can say the holy spirit could be defined as God's active force which He uses in many ways to accomplish His purposes.

Westerhoffe:
The above is what you JWs fail to understand.

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!