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ZombieDredd:
son of a pastor indeed.

ask your dad why he believes in Christ if truly you are pastor pikin

satan wants to sieve you like akamu, but God will help you.

You believe because since you were born it was ingrained in you, forced to church every Sunday till it becomes part of you, if Judaism was instilled in you from birth you would have been under Judaism, simple as that. We are products of habit, only a few have the previledge of enlightenment.

achu442:
The soul is repackaged.

The body goes to earth

The spirit continues another journey and pays dearly for sins committed in the past life

So where do the souls of Gorilla and monkeys go to?

Dogalmighty17:
I am tired of their bullsh*t. Christians really need to begin to see how ridiculous they sound and I'm saying this as a son of a pastor.

They say God made man. Okay fine but then, who made God? How did he come about? He just sprung out of the ether? How did the ether come about? A thinking being with the ability to create and channel order manifests from nothing? And only one of such beings exist?

Before such a being existed, what was before it? Truly everything has a beginning, so how did this 'God' begin? Our planet earth, has been around for over 4 billion years and the known universe itself for over 13 billion years. Humans are thought to have first appeared just over 300,000 years ago. Earliest recorded history itself is around 3000 BCE. So the concept of 'god' is not something that was known for over 90% of our existence on earth.

So the idea of a God existing doesn't really make sense. If he does exist, why will he choose to reveal himself to just less than 5% of everyone who has ever lived? Considering that it is estimated that over 108 billion people have existed throughout mankind's existence.

Our existence goes deeper than any book can explain and that includes the bible itself.

People prefer to cling on to what has been instilled in them. Of course you will be met with resistance if you tell a man that his father who he's been exchanging letters with, despite not meeting him, is in fact not his dad. Jesus was a mythical figure and never existed. The myths about Jesus was nothing but a Roman conspiracy. The Flavian dynasty created christianity due to political power struggle and still active till present day.

Toruibestate:
I believe people die to reincarnate.

yes...I knew this in Hinduism and African religion practice.we came to life and goes to the next cycle of life.In Hinduism, the transmigration of the soul is known as samsara, where the soul (Atman) is reborn into different physical bodies—human or even animal—after death in a cyclical process of birth, death, and rebirth, governed by karma. This journey continues until the soul achieves moksha, or liberation from the cycle of earthly existence.

Toruibestate:
I remember during my days in the University (Niger Delta University) my lecturer who doubles as my cousin told the class that to him life seems meaningless.
We live, give birth and die, and the circle continues.


That it doesn't have meaning.

Anybody that have contrary view to his thinking should speak up on it.




@General Ditari.

I think most folks reincarnate over and over again until, they are able to fulfil their purpose in the present life. Then they move to another plane after death. I don't know how to accurately explain it. Because most times some scenario seems like, one has lived it before. But you can't seem to put the whole puzzle together like someone mentioned above.

amaridigital:
That assertion does it apply to the indians, the Chinese, those who died before Mohammad or jesus were born and if yes, who is going to judge the people after death? Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Sango, Yemoja? Will the new testament of Christians be used to judge the Shintoism worshipers? My friend face your own. You will be judged based on what you believe if you believe in judgement. Secondly, if human are appointed to die only once and face judgement thereafter, why did Jesus told his disciples when John the Baptist died that same John was Elijah? Why did Elijah come back to this world again after your so called judgment after his death?

you assume Jesus was talking literally?
same Jesus that mostly spoke in parables

he was referring to John coming in same spirit, power and similarities as Elijah, nothing more.

John was asked by the pharisees if he was elijah? guess his response

Toruibestate:
I believe people die to reincarnate.

Only to die again?

IMHO it entirely makes no sense.

No one alive is ever sure of matters like these. It's all whatabotism. Even the so-called holy books aren't even sure.

Personally, I hold that reincarnation aka recycling is what happens. Why I believe that escapes even me... Lols... 😂😂

Chai, all of us don craze...

Don’t be deceived.

All your answers are in the scripture, Bible.

Don’t try to rationalize with logical reasoning or philosophy.

We go no where.. d body wil decay and d spirit wil enter anoda person as pregnant dn born again nd die it keep goin like dt…. Aye kole pare na we go die nd start anoda life in anoda place bt our mind wnt remember where we existed before bt smwh we go feel sm spirit like smfin has trully happen before like vision like mode ti se nkan bairi o

achu442:
You are not a human.

You are a vibration

You are here to supply energy to the universe.

closest to the truth I've read so far on this thread, you'd be so amazed if you go deep into the "prison planet theory" that the earth is a loosh farm, and farming emotions from humans for the sustenance of the Demiurge and his cohorts is the reason why we are here in the first place.

achu442:
The soul is repackaged.

The body goes to earth

The spirit continues another journey and pays dearly for sins committed in the past life

Definitely Hinduism is correct about reincarnation.This is definitely what I learnt.our souls keeps recycling till it gets to final destination.After death, Hindus born the body because they believed it's of no use.The soul will have recycled to another being or even animal.it will keep recycling till it achieve moshka.Even Yorùbá religion believed in reincarnation and rebirth.

Yemoad:
There is life after death,we are here to make choice of where we will spend eternity, two destination after death, heaven where God,holy angels,and the saints that have died,no unholy person or things can enter there,
Then he'll fire for the sinners those that disobey God and died will spend eternity with Satan and all the demons the falling angels,So you need to give your life to Jesus and he will cleanse you from all your sins no matter what you have done,He will forgive you if you turn to Him with all your heart, PEACE

Na one spirit sit down tell u all these one or u read am for bible(fictional book)?
Like someone above said why did God choose to reveal himself to just less than 5% of everyone who has ever lived? Considering that it is estimated that over 108 billion people have existed throughout mankind's existence.

Toruibestate:
Very true because the way life is..
You mean we came down from heaven just to fight to enter heaven again?
Very weird.

Who told you that you came from heaven ?

The creator and maker of human gave precise answer to this question in his word the Bible he stated in Genesis Chapter 3:19
"In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Scientist proved this to be true, that all the amino acid found in the ground are in human.

In another place in Bible book of Ecclesiastes Chapter 9:10 without ambiguous words stated,

10  Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going."
And at death state he said a living dog is better than a dead lion, verse 5 of same Bible book
Hence when a person dies he stops to exist.
But there is a good prospect for all those who died and in living memory of God.
God's beloved friend Job expressed for this bright prospect, in Bible book of Job chapter 14: 1-2. " Man, born of woman,
Is short-liveda and filled with trouble.
  He comes up like a blossom and then withers away;
He flees like a shadow and disappears.
Read same chapter verses 14,15.

Go and read your bible very well from genesis to revelation.
There, you will know how the earth and the whole universe existed, who created it, how it was created, what happened after the earth was created and how the living things in it was created.
You will also learn how the angel lucifer that turned to devil was created, how he rebel against his creator, how he deceived human beings and destroy humanity through sin.
In the bible you will know about Jesus Christ the son of God that came to rescue and deliver human beings from Satan slavery, rescued human beings from ending in hell fire with his own blood and give them the opportunity to make the kingdom of God.

yorosstores:
God destroyed the world completely with flood and saved only Noah and his family

He completely destroyed Sodom with fire.

Without God we are nothing,
Without humans God is still God

When we were kids, we were told not to ask questions, but.....With the annihilation of humans in cities firstly by fire, then later the whole world with water, why then did sin continue? What was the essence of wiping humans if God KNEW sin wouldn't end with those actions?

Toruibestate:
Very true because the way life is..
You mean we came down from heaven just to fight to enter heaven again?
Very weird.

We didn't actually come down from heaven but was born by our mothers after sexing our daddies. But we have chance to make heaven based on the way we live our life.

Rexymania:
Omo this is thought provoking. It requires very deep thinking to understand you.

Well for me, the Universe is our God, not some DNA modifiers

The DNA modifiers are hijackers!
Blame them not; they only give/take from the system what will advance their course without regard for who/whatever ox is gored! The strong will always dominate the weak.

The universe is not bothered because what is taken from one point can only be added to another point within same universe - no gain; no loss, only transfer/absolve to transform.

@ Toruibestate

You will get answers to your questions at eckankar.org
Also my 2 threads journey of souls and contemplation seeds from Eckankar has already handled these issues with practical examples
https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul and https://www.nairaland.com/533844/contemplation-seeds-eckankar/182
Feel free to explore and enjoy.

zedman1:
When we were kids, we were told not to ask questions, but.....With the annihilation of humans in cities firstly by fire, then later the whole world with water, why then did sin continue? What was the essence of wiping humans if God KNEW sin wouldn't end with those actions?

Those events are resets. It usually happens when humans are getting closer to liberation,then a reset happens to hinder the process. Like someone said above that earth is a prison planet. It's were souls are trapped. You remember the tower of Babel in the bible, it was a proverb describing the reset that took place when the people started reaching enligtenment. We have had alot of reset in the past. The most recent is re-engineering humans into smaller bodies and reducing their life spans. We are here to serve a system.

SporaD8:
The DNA modifiers are hijackers!
Blame them not; they only give/take from the system what will advance their course without regard for who/whatever ox is gored! The strong will always dominate the weak.

The universe is not bothered because what is taken from one point can only be added to another point within same universe - no gain; no loss, only transfer/absolve to transform.

energy can neither be created nor destroyed so also is human soul.

Life here on earth is a chasing after the wind accordingly to the biblical Solomon. It certain that we brought nothing into this world and we will definitely take nothing out of the world
But eternity is real so fear God and keep his commandments for that is the whole duty of man. Every other business under the sun is indeed meaningless

gift2xl:
Has anyone experience this, there are places you go and it seems you've visited that place before, but you can't gather the information it just flash to you.

Yes, I experience it at times. Not just places visited, when somethings happen to me I just have this feeling I have experienced it before but the more I try to remember the more it looks like trance.


Maybe reincarnation is real.

That is God’s problem to mind, not yours.

ZombieDredd:
no problems.

God has probably given you over to strong delusion.

Why not focus on the things we know and stop guessing on what we don't know

Concentrate on making the most of your living

gift2xl:
Has anyone experience this, there are places you go and it seems you've visited that place before, but you can't gather the information it just flash to you.

I have experience something like this many time. It will look so clear to me that this event has occurred before. Same time, same place and same discussion.

I don't know where we go to when we die but if there's anything like reincarnation I don't wanna come back to Nigeria again.

gift2xl:
Has anyone experience this, there are places you go and it seems you've visited that place before, but you can't gather the information it just flash to you.

For me somethings happened at a particular time, later on that same time will happen in that particular place again and I will be like what's going on, it always do me somehow

This is a very unique perspective, may I ask which book or reference you got this information from, I want to learn more from the source pls

blacksam01:
If u believe in God, then here is the reason we are here :

In the past , there was no human, only powerful spirits... They are ranked according to their influence.. the one of perceived highest influence is called God.

Now God, has alot of ppl who adore him and follow him, he cares for them, but because there were so much.. all in spirits oo.. he assigned roles to lower influencial spirits to guide them non stop,..

Note: even the lower influencial are also more powerful and influencial that God's worshippers.. with time, the lower influencial spirits whom the followers see more often started being worshiped by Gods followers.. this got God angry at both his followers and his subject lower influencial spirits...

Other lower influencial spirits whom still side with God in this confusion , in anger , attacked the break away spirits.. then there was war in heaven..

God then wanted to destroy both his worshipers and the rebellious spirits... Then something happened, the rebellious spirits taunted God telling him he is forcing the followers to like him by force, that they already worships them and not him, and challenge God saying if you thing otherwise , subject them to test of choice of preference...

He still didn't want such challenge, but his loyal subjects thought it wise.. ND he sought a place outside the heavens to start that challenge...

He, one by one through creation and later through pro creation by birth is sending every member of his multitude worshipers to earth to live and die.. all in their lifetime, to make just one decision of where each one stands.. btw God and his rebellious fellow spirits...

So your life is a mirror of ur believe, and your inner believe will be judged when u die and return to where he slated for judgement...

He also doesn't want to finish off his spirit opponents till the birth of all the multitude of his followers (who are fmrly spirit, but now human ) are introduced into the world...

Now you get, why you are here...?

Something that's dead is dead. If it goes somewhere, then it's not dead.

ZombieDredd:
it is appointed unto men once to die, and after that judgement by God almighty who created you in the first place
Hebrews 9:27-28.

you do not live in a continous loop and will give account of every thing you have done or spoken on earth one day.

blacksam01:
If u believe in God, then here is the reason we are here :

So how do you account for all these children who clearly remember their past lives and how they died??
There's something about all this that just doesn't add up