₦airaland Forum

PulsingPurple:
Mr. Maximus oo 😅
Sometimes people give responses as though the world revolves around their thinking process.
Think broad a bit, or better still openly say you choose to reject any knowledge that comes from elsewhere (close-mindedness).
Whichever way, your argument wasn't with me, the question I asked wasn't for you and your answer didn't exactly satisfy me either. Carry on with your thing, I'll have no further response after this one.
For your first paragraph, let me ask this question (rhetorical):
Following your ideology, if someone leaves a school where they molest children, the person shouldn't speak up and raise awareness? They should just carry on finding out a better school and leave the past behind?
Replicate this analogy and boldly convince yourself on flawed reasonings (as usual).
I don't even know why you started including Passages that didn't relate with your point.
Maybe next time, include passages where people are encouraged not to speak up and raise awareness when they leave a former, false religion.

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

MaxInDHouse:
See the religion you are complaining about as they've won the hearts of sincere observers:













Jesus said:

"You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house.  Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

Have you found a better performing group than this?

PulsingPurple:
Mr. Maximus oo 😅

Sometimes people give responses as though the world revolves around their thinking process.
Think broad a bit, or better still openly say you choose to reject any knowledge that comes from elsewhere (close-mindedness).

Whichever way, your argument wasn't with me, the question I asked wasn't for you and your answer didn't exactly satisfy me either. Carry on with your thing, I'll have no further response after this one.

For your first paragraph, let me ask this question (rhetorical):
Following your ideology, if someone leaves a school where they molest children, the person shouldn't speak up and raise awareness? They should just carry on finding out a better school and leave the past behind?
Replicate this analogy and boldly convince yourself on flawed reasonings (as usual).

I don't even know why you started including Passages that didn't relate with your point.
Maybe next time, include passages where people are encouraged not to speak up and raise awareness when they leave a former, false religion.

wumiwumi100:
Winning the hearts of “observers” doesn’t automatically prove a religion is true.

MaxInDHouse:
Think about the disciples that left Jesus in the first century {John 6:66} and try to imagine what such ones will continue to say when Peter said there is no one to turn to for truth about everlasting life {John 6:68} of course it's what you are saying now that they will continue saying:

The question is not whether they’ve “found a better teacher,” the question is whether the one claiming to be the only way, truth and life actually measures up to God’s standard.

Because they strongly believe Jesus was talking rubbish which totally contradicts what the scriptures say.

So my friend we are the type that keeps asking for a better one while you are the type that keeps on complaining about the only one you have.

wumiwumi100:
You completely twisted that scripture, my friend. In John 6:66, some disciples left Jesus because they could not accept his hard saying.

MaxInDHouse:
You can't change what Jesus said about the identification of his real disciples:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

Jesus said OBSERVERS will speak up for seeing what he taught his true disciples as they unitedly exhibit it!

wumiwumi100:
Thank you for this. Honestly, I appreciate the fact that you didn’t try to dismiss my experience like how Max is doing. You understood the simple point that if someone has been inside a system, they are in the best position to talk about what they saw, both good and bad.

Even the Bible shows that exposing false practices is not “hatred” but love for truth. Paul himself spoke about the things he used to practice as a Pharisee (Philippians 3:4 to and even warned against the errors of those who tried to mislead others (Acts 20:29–30). So there’s nothing wrong if former members speak up.

And you’re right, former members have firsthand knowledge, so pretending their voices don’t matter is just hypocrisy. Thank you once again for being fair enough to see that and not just trying to silence me.

wumiwumi100:
You’re right that Jesus clearly described how his true disciples would be identified — but the question is, do Jehovah’s Witnesses actually measure up to that standard?

MaxInDHouse:
The scriptures foretold a lot about the presence of the Christ among the Jews but did the people in general accepted Jesus despite all what they have read in the prophecies?

NO!

WHY?

Because they think he doesn't measure up to their expectations yet they can't find anyone else who has proved better than Jesus despite the fact that there was high expectations that the Christ is to come in the first century.

So if you feel JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES doesn't measure up to what Christ said about the identification of his true disciples then present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses today!

wumiwumi100:
You keep saying, “show me a better group.” But that argument falls flat. Even if no group is perfect, that doesn’t give any organization the right to pretend to be God’s sole channel while constantly failing His tests.

MaxInDHouse:
May JEHOVAH be praised!

No matter all the evidence rebellious ones will continue to complain just as they did against God's servants in Bible times but there is only one thing they can't change:

They can never ever find a better replacement for God's Organization!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what first century ex-disciples of Jesus will say that since Jesus can't meet all their expectations he shouldn't claim to be the only way to God. So don't worry my guy i understood you perfectly!

wumiwumi100:
You say, “there’s no better replacement for God’s Organization.” But let’s be clear: that statement itself exposes the problem. Nowhere did Jesus ever say, “look for an organization.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). He pointed people to himself, not to a human-run institution.

wumiwumi100:
Exactly! Thank you for reasoning critically instead of just throwing scriptures around to silence the conversation. The analogy you gave about a school where children are molested is spot on. If someone experiences harm in an institution, speaking up isn’t bitterness — it’s responsibility. How else will others be protected if survivors keep quiet?

bolabizzle:
You guys should leave max alone. He is one of us. Max, how are you doing? How many people have you turned to become JW since we last spoke?

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

wumiwumi100:
Exactly! Thank you for reasoning critically instead of just throwing scriptures around to silence the conversation. The analogy you gave about a school where children are molested is spot on. If someone experiences harm in an institution, speaking up isn’t bitterness — it’s responsibility. How else will others be protected if survivors keep quiet?

This is where the hypocrisy comes in: when it’s about other religions, Jehovah’s Witnesses freely publish magazines, books, and online content exposing what they call “false religion.” They warn others about “Babylon the Great” without apology. Yet the moment someone who left their organization dares to speak up about what they experienced, suddenly it becomes “don’t talk about the past, move on.” That’s double standards, and it exposes fear, fear that the truth about them being spoken will open more eyes.

At the end of the day, the Bible says in Ephesians 5:11: “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” If former members are exposing harmful practices, they are following that scripture, not breaking it.

Silencing people is not the way of Christ but exposing falsehood is. If your faith is real, let it face examination instead of hiding behind excuses.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.

The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

MaxInDHouse:
Many in my neighborhood that you can't see here on Nairaland but see what these ones are saying about God's organization:

PulsingPurple:
Honestly wish I had enough time and energy on my hand to engage all these talks...

But one this is sure bro, you're not the first here on NL, you won't be the last either.
Many old members have spoken up in the past and as tradition, Max has always been there to drop a counter opinion.

If I were giving free advice I'd advise against wasting time engaging him hoping he'll reason on anything you say.
Everyone who knows him can tell you how he handles conversations, he's predictable enough for me to predict that you'll just end up with another unnecessarily prolonged thread with no key takeaways.
Unless of course you're just there to enforce your points and maybe catch cruise with all disagree-ers.

The most in depth informations I got about JW came from people like you boss, carry on. 🙌

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same Christian doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Kingsempires:
wow I love this your statement 🙂🙏

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

bolabizzle:
Maxy baba!

bolabizzle:
Better to leave JWs alone. They will not see the truth by argument. Most who leave do so after being deeply hurt by their own group.

wumiwumi100:
You’re still avoiding the real issue. The question is not whether I’ve “found another religion,” the question is whether the one claiming to be the only true religion actually measures up to Christ’s standard. That’s what we’re examining.

The Beroeans in Acts 17:11 didn’t first go looking for another religion, they examined Paul’s message against the Scriptures. That’s what honest people do. By your logic, the Thessalonians who blindly accepted everything without testing it should be praised, but the Bible shows the opposite because the Beroeans were called “noble” for testing teachings carefully.

And Christ himself never commanded us to “join a religion.” He commanded us to follow him (John 14:6; Matthew 11:28). So shifting the discussion to “which religion did you join?” is a distraction. The real point is this: if Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be the truth, why are they afraid of being examined under the light of Scripture?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says: “Test all things; hold fast what is good.” That command stands whether or not someone has “another religion.” If what you defend is truly from God, it will pass the test. If not, no amount of diversion will cover it up.

So the issue is simple: why run from scrutiny if the “truth” can stand on its own?

bolabizzle:
Better to leave JWs alone. They will not see the truth by argument. Most who leave do so after being deeply hurt by their own group.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.

The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

Janosky:
I want to make some points very clear.
[b]*1. Every congregation within the vicinity of any tertiary institution campus always record increased number of JWs admitted as undergraduates into the tertiary institution in that locality .
But someone is WAILING
Whatever path you choose, JWs GB no force you.
*2.
Nobody has ever been removed from JWs fold because they chose to further their education in a tertiary institution.

*3
From time to time , Branch Offices still make requests for our fellow JW's with professional experience who acquired their professional skills from tertiary institutions.
This is a positive sign for the merits of acquiring professional training through tertiary education.
*4
The GB is very concerned about the spiritual wellbeing of Jehovah's people whole taking into cognizance the prevailing moral climate in teriary institutions.
*5
Many JW's have benefited themselves immensely & economically by acquiring viable vocational skills that pays their bills without any stress.
The Governing Body (GB) prioritize viable vocational skills (sabificate) more than paper qualifications.
The turn over of graduates from tertiary institutions is on the rise each year.
Yet,the Government continues advocating for viable vocational skills acquisition which the GB prioritizes.
In this part of the world,more often than not, University education is not enough, so to say .
Pls,evaluate yourself & take decision rather than blame the GB.
Shalom .