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FxMasterz:
Exposing the Paganism in Non-Trinitarianism

Non-Trinitarians often boast of “pure monotheism,” but what they end up with is worse than polytheism. Their doctrine forces Scripture into contradictions—producing two Lords, two Kings, two Creators, two Saviors etc. That is nothing but paganism disguised in Christian language. Let us expose this folly with the Scriptures they cannot refute.

1. Are there two Kings of kings?

Psalm 47:2 – “For the LORD Most High is terrible; He is a great King over all the earth.”

Revelation 19:16 – Of Christ: “And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Question: Are there two Kings of kings ruling the universe, or is this one divine title shared by Father and Son because they are one in essence? If you claim two Kings of kings, you’ve fallen into polytheism.

2. Are there two Lords?

Deuteronomy 10:17 – “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords...”

1 Corinthians 8:6 – “...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.”

Question: Can the universe have two “Lords of lords”? Scripture insists there is only one Lord (Eph. 4:5). If both Father and Son are called Lord of lords, they are not two, but one Lord.

3. Are there two worshiped in heaven?

Psalm 97:7 – “Worship Him, all ye gods.” (Quoted in Hebrews 1:6 about Jesus: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”)

Revelation 5:13-14 – Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same worship: “Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.”

Question: If God alone is to be worshiped (Ex. 34:14), how can the Lamb also be worshiped together with the Father unless they share the same divine essence? Two worshiped beings = paganism. One worshiped God in Trinity = Christianity.

4. Are there two Saviors?

Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.”

Titus 2:13 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Question: If God alone is Savior, and Jesus is also Savior, are there two redeemers of mankind? Impossible. One divine Savior—Father revealed through the Son.

5. Are there two Shepherds of our souls?

Psalm 23:1 – “The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want.”

1 Peter 2:25 – “But are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (referring to Christ).

Question: Shall our souls be guided by two different Shepherds? Or is this one eternal Shepherd God, revealed in Father and Son? To claim two Shepherds is again paganism.

6. Are there two fountains of living waters?

Jeremiah 2:13 – God said, “They have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters...”

John 7:38 – Jesus: “He that believeth on Me... out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”

Question: If Jehovah is the Fountain of living waters, and Christ is also the Fountain, are there two Sources of life? Or one Fountain shared by Father and Son?

7. Are there two Creators?

Isaiah 44:24 – God said, “I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone...”

God stretched the heavens alone.

John 1:3 – “All things were made by Him [the Word/Christ]; and without Him was not anything made that was made.”

Colossians 1:15-17 - Talking about Christ, the Scriptures say, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".

Question: Did God not stretch the heavens alone? Did He not do all creations alone? How then did we see Christ seemingly supporting Him? Was God lying? No. God is Christ and Christ is God. If you say they're two different persons, which Christ supporting God at creation, you make God a liar for saying He did all of creation alone. Can there be two Creators of heaven and earth? No. There is only one Creator. Thus the Father and Son are not separate gods but one divine Creator.

8. The Kingdom belongs to ‘Our Lord and His Christ,’ yet only one reigns

Revelation 11:15 – “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.”

Notice carefully: Even though it says the Kingdom of this world has become that of Our Lord and of His Christ (seemingly two persons), it doesn’t say they shall reign—but He shall reign. Two Person Kingdom, yet one divine 'He' reigning. Both God and Christ reign forever and ever over the whole universe, but there are no two Kings but one.

Conclusion: Father and Son are not two rival rulers but share one throne, one reign, one eternal sovereignty.

9. Are there two Judges?

The Father as Judge: “God is a righteous judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” (Psalm 7:11)

“For God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” (Psalm 75:7)

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25).

Christ as Judge:

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22). Was the Scripture lying to have previously called God the Judge?

“…we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ…” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

The Question

So, are there two Judges?

The OT says God is Judge.

The NT says Christ is Judge.

Jesus even said the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son.

Then what do we have? One Judge who is both God and Christ.

This collapses the non-Trinitarian claim of separation because two different Persons cannot both be the only Judge.

Final Question

If Father and Son both share titles, worship, and attributes that cannot be duplicated (King of kings, Lord of lords, Creator, Savior, Fountain of Life, Shepherd, Judge, then non-Trinitarians must answer:

Are there two gods—or is the mystery of the Trinity the only way to resolve this divine unity?

Anything else is not monotheism. It is nothing short of paganism.

CC: TenQ, Ken4Christ, Gabrielshow24, Image123, Emusan, DoWhatThouWilt, SarcasticWords, Janosky

SarcasticWords:
FxMasterz

Please explain this : “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

If Jesus is God The Father Incarnate, Shouldn't he know the day or hour? Why does he not know the day or Hour even though all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth?

PulsingPurple:
I don't know, this whole Trinity stuff has been trending but I've not really understood their definition of this Trinity.

Let me add a voice to ask:
Does "Trinity" imply God as one personality/entity embodied/represented in Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?
OR
Does "Trinity" imply the entirety of God as three distinct personalities/entities (Father, Son, Spirit) who together come together to be "God".

Or is there more? What's a basic definition we should have in mind when people like you talk about Trinity.

I think this helps sets the stage to answer your question better.

cc: FxMasterz

TenQ:
The JW Doctrine is that two Gods exist
1. The Almighty God called Jehovah
2. The mighty god called Angel Michael aka Jesus

How they developed their theology is still a mystery. Just like Muslims, they cooked up for themselves a limited God who very much like Allah of the Muslims is not Omnipresent, nor Omnipotent nor Omniscient.

SarcasticWords:
FxMasterz

Please explain this : “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

If Jesus is God The Father Incarnate, Shouldn't he know the day or hour? Why does he not know the day or Hour even though all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth?

FxMasterz:
Thank you very much for your questions.

God is a very complex Being, there's nothing on earth that we can use to state exactly how God is or who God is. We're limited by language and experience.

However, from what we see in Scripture, God is One Person who manifests in 3 different ways. Some Trinitarians may differ, but, I don't go by popular opinions, I always study the Scriptures by myself to ensure that I do not allow myself to be deceived or misled by another man.

Let me answer the question asked by SarcasticWords here. He has asked me to explain why the Son does not know the time of the end, but only the Father.

I'll also like to ask why the Father is said to be Judge, but eventually we find that the Father does not judge anyone?

The Scriptures call the Father, the Judge of the whole earth, and He's said to do judgement in Righteousness. Now, in the New Testament, the Scripture says" The Father HIMSELF judges no man but has committed ALL judgements to the Son." This Scripture does not say, the Father does no longer judge, and has now transferred the position of Judge to the Son. This is not what that Scripture says. It says, the Father judges no man. He has never judged anyone. It's the Son who judges. In spite of that, the Father is called The Judge of the whole earth.

To understand what's happening, you need to take a look at 1Cor. 12 to see how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together by splitting roles. Yet, all the roles are carried out by one Person - God. Not Gods.

God manifests HIMSELF in different three ways, and assign individual roles to His 3 different manifestations. All manifestations are the manifestation of God. One God. Not three.

Now, God is Judge, not through His Fatherly role but through His role as Son. The Judge part of God is carried out through His Son manifestation. That explains the Scripture regarding God being Judge and yet does not judge anyone.

Now, to your question, God is Omniscient through His Fatherly role. The Omniscience of God lies in His Fatherhood. In His Sonhood lies other roles other than Omniscience. The Son does not know but the Father knows the time of the End. That's something difficult for man to explain because it's beyond the experience of man, but God is not man, what man cannot experience can be experienced by God.

God can have a part of Him that knows all things, and another part that does not know all things. It depends on what God has allocated to each part of Himself for His own Devine purposes.

Now, take note. Not that God cannot Judge. God can judge but He has assigned the judgement role to the Son. In the same vein, not that the Son cannot know, the Son can know but the Omnisicient role is assigned to the Father.

If you will dismiss all other Scripture just because of a few Scripture that depicts the Son as being inferior to the Father, you will have a lot of contradictions in Scripture that you will never be able to solve. And if you decide to ignore other Scripture that places the Son as God, you will not be doing justice to the Word of Truth.

Let me conclude with the following Scripture that further tells us who the Son is:

In Micah 5:2, it is written:

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The Ruler who'll rule over Israel, which is Jesus has existed from of old, from everlasting. He has existed from eternity past. Like God the Father, He has no beginning.

I studied the Hebrew version of the verse above to find that He has existed without a begining. From an everlasting past. There's no other person who has that type of pre-existence other than God Himself.

So, except we have two Gods, even this Scripture in Micah forces us to agree that God the Father and the Son are the same Person.

PulsingPurple:
Mehnnn... Thank you

Really appreciate this, simple but deep enough. Absolutely understand every point.

I might not necessarily flow with the entire explanation since as you know, there's Scriptural backing to support the other idea that Jesus is separate enough from Jehovah. But there's no issue at all, just wanted to see through your lens...
(I believe something quite close sha, but not exactly similar).

Was just observing zero talk about the Holy Spirit. 😅
Which is exactly what I was thinking about cos omo, that's the one place I have absolutely no knowledge on so if I was typing something like this, I'd likely also talk at length about Jehovah and Jesus and totally avoid the Spirit.

FxMasterz:
Wow!

I didn't even know that they preach such gibberish. There's only one God. If the JWs have two Gods, we do not serve the same God.

FxMasterz:
Smiling, you're welcome brother.

We have had a brief talk about the Holy Spirit in a previous thread but let me just share a few things with you here.

The Holy Spirit is God. That's why when the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us, we say God is in us. When the Holy Spirit gives you an instruction, you can rightly say, God spoke to you.

But interestingly, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ as well. Both God and Christ have the same Holy Spirit. This makes it even clearer that both God and Christ are the same person. Let's see this Scripture here:

Let's look at Romans 8:9, which states:

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they are not his."

The Spirit of God lives in you, and that's also the Spirit of Christ. If the Spirit of God and of Christ does not live in you, then, you're none of Christ's.

There are several other Scriptures but this one should actually open our eyes as to who the Holy Spirit is.

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FxMasterz:
Exposing the Paganism in Non-Trinitarianism

Non-Trinitarians often boast of “pure monotheism,” but what they end up with is worse than polytheism. Their doctrine forces Scripture into contradictions—producing two Lords, two Kings, two Creators, two Saviors etc. That is nothing but paganism disguised in Christian language. Let us expose this folly with the Scriptures they cannot refute.

1. Are there two Kings of kings?

Psalm 47:2 – “For the LORD Most High is terrible; He is a great King over all the earth.”

Revelation 19:16 – Of Christ: “And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Question: Are there two Kings of kings ruling the universe, or is this one divine title shared by Father and Son because they are one in essence? If you claim two Kings of kings, you’ve fallen into polytheism.

2. Are there two Lords?

Deuteronomy 10:17 – “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords...”

1 Corinthians 8:6 – “...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.”

Question: Can the universe have two “Lords of lords”? Scripture insists there is only one Lord (Eph. 4:5). If both Father and Son are called Lord of lords, they are not two, but one Lord.

3. Are there two worshiped in heaven?

Psalm 97:7 – “Worship Him, all ye gods.” (Quoted in Hebrews 1:6 about Jesus: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”)

Revelation 5:13-14 – Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same worship: “Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.”

Question: If God alone is to be worshiped (Ex. 34:14), how can the Lamb also be worshiped together with the Father unless they share the same divine essence? Two worshiped beings = paganism. One worshiped God in Trinity = Christianity.

4. Are there two Saviors?

Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.”

Titus 2:13 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Question: If God alone is Savior, and Jesus is also Savior, are there two redeemers of mankind? Impossible. One divine Savior—Father revealed through the Son.

5. Are there two Shepherds of our souls?

Psalm 23:1 – “The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want.”

1 Peter 2:25 – “But are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (referring to Christ).

Question: Shall our souls be guided by two different Shepherds? Or is this one eternal Shepherd God, revealed in Father and Son? To claim two Shepherds is again paganism.

6. Are there two fountains of living waters?

Jeremiah 2:13 – God said, “They have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters...”

John 7:38 – Jesus: “He that believeth on Me... out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”

"In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:4

Question: If Jehovah is the Fountain of living waters, and Christ is also the Fountain, are there two Sources of life? Or one Fountain shared by Father and Son?

7. Are there two Creators?

Isaiah 44:24 – God said, “I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone...”

God stretched the heavens alone.

John 1:3 – “All things were made by Him [the Word/Christ]; and without Him was not anything made that was made.”

Colossians 1:15-17 - Talking about Christ, the Scriptures say, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".

Question: Did God not stretch the heavens alone? Did He not do all creations alone? How then did we see Christ seemingly supporting Him? Was God lying? No. God is Christ and Christ is God. If you say they're two different persons, which Christ supporting God at creation, you make God a liar for saying He did all of creation alone. Can there be two Creators of heaven and earth? No. There is only one Creator. Thus the Father and Son are not separate gods but one divine Creator.

8. The Kingdom belongs to ‘Our Lord and His Christ,’ yet only one reigns

Revelation 11:15 – “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.”

Notice carefully: Even though it says the Kingdom of this world has become that of Our Lord and of His Christ (seemingly two persons), it doesn’t say they shall reign—but He shall reign. Two Person Kingdom, yet one divine 'He' reigning. Both God and Christ reign forever and ever over the whole universe, but there are no two Kings but one.

Conclusion: Father and Son are not two rival rulers but share one throne, one reign, one eternal sovereignty.

9. Are there two Judges?

The Father as Judge: “God is a righteous judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” (Psalm 7:11)

“For God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” (Psalm 75:7)

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25).

Christ as Judge:

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22). Was the Scripture lying to have previously called God the Judge?

“…we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ…” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

The Question

So, are there two Judges?

The OT says God is Judge.

The NT says Christ is Judge.

Jesus even said the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son.

Then what do we have? One Judge who is both God and Christ.

This collapses the non-Trinitarian claim of separation because two different Persons cannot both be the only Judge.

Final Question

If Father and Son both share titles, worship, and attributes that cannot be duplicated (King of kings, Lord of lords, Creator, Savior, Fountain of Life, Shepherd, Judge, then non-Trinitarians must answer:

Are there two gods—or is the mystery of the Trinity the only way to resolve this divine unity?

Anything else is not monotheism. It is nothing short of paganism.

CC: TenQ, Ken4Christ, Gabrielshow24, Image123, Emusan, DoWhatThouWilt, SarcasticWords, FreeIgboho, Janosky

Janosky:
Let me ask you just Only 2 questions.
Oga, how many persons did Jesus Christ worship?

Which person did God his Father worship?

FxMasterz:
Your questions have only one answer. Abd here is it:

Jesus waa both man and God. As man The called Father God, as God, He's worshiped. This will not be the first time you'll hear that Jesus was fully man and fully God. However, your likes on my hold on to His ful manliness. You reject His Godhood. There's no way you can answer any of the questions I presented above without contradicting yourself. That's why you came up with two other questions borne of ignorance.

PulsingPurple:
Okay let me try hitting the nail on the head and go straight to my beliefs too.

Maybe it seemed like I was ignorant or disagreed with Jesus and the Holy Spirit being "God".

So, yes and yes, I'd agree with you here (probably 100% sef).

But the question for me isn't whether the Holy Spirit is God, I already understand He is so everything you've said flows.

If we come back to the original reasoning however, the question is whether God is one main God expressing the entirety of Himself as three separate Entities (to which you've said yes).

Here's what I usually say:
A lion is a lion. The child of a lion is a lion. The bones of a lion are still part of the lion.

I somehow believe that they're all in the same caliber of entities, the caliber above everything else.
And that the one we call Jehovah is the God.
But then the Scriptures actually stress a father-son relationship between God and Jesus so I do believe that Jehovah somehow created Jesus as a son of sort and elevated Him so much, putting Him in so much power, authority, control, obligation that He's almost as important as God Himself (if not more), and together they're working to achieve the goals of the Father, which by extension is also the goal of Jesus.
And because of the way they set up their relationship, everywhere you see the Father, you see the Son, and vice versa. Implying that the things that make up Jehovah, that make Him God are also the same things that make up Jesus, making Him God too (in all these, roles stay clear, pronounced. And these roles varied across different times).
Then I believe the Holy Spirit (possibly different Spirits acting in unison) is an actual extension/part of Jehovah Himself, specially curated to dwell with us and all you've said (amongst other things), not much there that I think is worth trying to explain at this my stage of growth.

Which takes us back to where we started at first... Different Entities, or one multi-expressional Entity.

TenQ:
Just as Muslims, the rejection of the Trinity of God made them to create for themselves a God in their own image and thinking... They call him Jehovah and the lesser god angel Michael

FxMasterz:
Thanks for your explanation brother.

However, let me put it straight to you that your explanation brings up a lot of problems because your position leans towards polytheism. Yeah, a Son of God should be God and not man, but God does not beget using the same process by which man begets.


God begets by multiplying Himself like a biological cell does. Just that, He's just 3 manifestatiion. Let me take for Instancce Moses and the 70 elders in Numbers 11. God told Moses that He'll take the Spirit upon Moses and impart the 70 elders so they can support him in leadership. In the end, we had 70 people imbued with the Spirit of God who started prophesying. Did they Spirit of God become 71? No. The Spirit of God is One Spirit.

Infact, the Bible explicitly states that there's One Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), but we see Him indwelling millions of Believers. All those millions of Believers each have a manifestation of the Spirit but there's just one Holy Spirit, not millions.

If Jesus is a separate entity from.tje Father and not a manifestation of the Father HIMSELF, then, we become polytheists if we calm Jesus God. However, the Bible gives no.room for polytheism. There's only one God.

Then, when you search the Scriptures deeply, you'll see many overlapping activities of the Father and Son. For example, who created all things? The Father of course. But the New Testament abundantly tells us, the Son created all things. Is that contradictory? No. The Father and the Son are the same Person. In Revelation 21, we are told that the New Jerusalem shall be lighted by God and the Lamb, then, we hear, and He (Not They) shall be the Light of it. Take a look also at Revelation 7:17. We have only one throne in heaven throughout the Book of Revelation. The throne is occupied by God Almighty. Suddenly, in Revelation 7:17,'we see the Lamb in the midst of the throne. That same one throne is for both God and the Lamb This shows indeed that "The Father and I are One" as Jesus already said.

And conclusively, let's hear what Jesus said to Philp in John 14, when Philip was asking Him to show them the Father.


"Have I been with you for so long a time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

PulsingPurple:
If I keep talking, it'll almost sound like I want an argument. Meanwhile all is cool here bro. 😅

Asides some points you're making (which I'm clearly understanding), all your main points still back the explanation I gave regarding what I believe personally. Like every single thing you've said would still hold if you apply them to my own version of belief.

The only thing I should clarify is that I didn't exactly say there are three distinct "Gods" (making me polytheistic), rather I said: 'the one we call Jehovah is the God'
Then the rest are: 'in the same caliber'.

It's complicated talk I agree, but then it also comes down to understanding of terms and knowing which definition a speaker is referring to at that moment. That's God as a title, God as a class, God as a placeholder name.

And well, if your beliefs make you "polytheistic" and you haven't been convinced they are false, do you have any other option, than to be a "polytheist"? 🥲

FxMasterz:
Smiling, except that the religion you actually claim to profess does not give roon for polytheism. That puts you in a tight corner.

Like I have explained in my previous post, there are no God calibers. Instead, there are God manifestations.

I have used this illustration severally, let me use it again.

I'm an artiste acting two different roles in a movie documenting the biography of my life. Call me Jones but in my movie, I'm acting Felix and King Kong - an ape.

Jones is the real man. Felix and King Kong are just various manifestations of Jones in the movie. They're all the selfsame person.

The moment we understand that man sold man in the garden of Eden, we'll also understand that only man can redeem man, as per the law of Redemption. Read Leviticus from 25 upwards. You'll discover that if a man sells himself into slavery, only his kinsmen can redeem him. To redeem that man legally, you must first become his kinsman one way or the other. Otherwise, that man remains a slave for life.

That was the situation with man. Man sold man, and man was unable to redeem man. Meaning, man will remain a slave of Satan for life. You see, Satan even boasted to Jesus on the mountain of temptation that everything has been delivered to him, and he can give it to whomsoever he likes. Remember? They were rightfully his because Adam sold them. Now, no man can meet the criteria for redeeming what Adam sold. Man was in a hopeless situation.

So, what did God do? He stepped into the earthly realm to become man in order to redeem man. Otherwise, there'll be no.hope for man. Now, that God has come into the scene, we now have a lovely hope - Christ in us, the Hope of Glory. But before Christ paid the price, Satan has boasted that all the glories of this world are his.

So, when we understand the problem. That is, the reason for Jesus' coming. The very problem He came to solve, we would not be confused as to who He is. He is the selfsame God who became man to solve the impossible problem of man. Otherwise, we will be eternally stuck in slavery to Satan. Man couldn't save himself.

So, like the scripture I quoted in Micah 4:2 in a previous post. There comes a ruler of Israel whose going forth is from everlasting.

Just ponder on that. Someone whose going forth is from eternity past. Someone who has no beginning is definitely none other than the Ancient of days who has neither a begining nor an end. Isaiah called Him the Son that will be born, whose name is also called The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father.

Are the scriptures lying? No. They're revealing the mystery of Godliness. How God made Himself manifest in the flesh to solve man's problem of redemption. Jesus is our Kinsman Redeemer. The Word that was God. And that Word that became flesh and DWELT AMONG MEN. These are no mere statements.

PulsingPurple:
I think I've gotten what I wanted... Appreciate the details in each response. 🙏

I'm still seeing misrepresentations of my words but all is well.
One day I hope we'll get to talk about this when there's more knowledge available, possibly when there's a better world available.

FxMasterz:
Thank you very much for your questions.

God is a very complex Being, there's nothing on earth that we can use to state exactly how God is or who God is. We're limited by language and experience.

However, from what we see in Scripture, God is One Person who manifests in 3 different ways. Some Trinitarians may differ, but, I don't go by popular opinions, I always study the Scriptures by myself to ensure that I do not allow myself to be deceived or misled by another man.

Let me answer the question asked by SarcasticWords here. He has asked me to explain why the Son does not know the time of the end, but only the Father.

I'll also like to ask why the Father is said to be Judge, but eventually we find that the Father does not judge anyone?

The Scriptures call the Father, the Judge of the whole earth, and He's said to do judgement in Righteousness. Now, in the New Testament, the Scripture says" The Father HIMSELF judges no man but has committed ALL judgements to the Son." This Scripture does not say, the Father does no longer judge, and has now transferred the position of Judge to the Son. This is not what that Scripture says. It says, the Father judges no man. He has never judged anyone. It's the Son who judges. In spite of that, the Father is called The Judge of the whole earth.

To understand what's happening, you need to take a look at 1Cor. 12 to see how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together by splitting roles. Yet, all the roles are carried out by one Person - God. Not Gods.

God manifests HIMSELF in different three ways, and assign individual roles to His 3 different manifestations. All manifestations are the manifestation of God. One God. Not three.

Now, God is Judge, not through His Fatherly role but through His role as Son. The Judge part of God is carried out through His Son manifestation. That explains the Scripture regarding God being Judge and yet does not judge anyone.

Now, to your question, God is Omniscient through His Fatherly role. The Omniscience of God lies in His Fatherhood. In His Sonhood lies other roles other than Omniscience. The Son does not know but the Father knows the time of the End. That's something difficult for man to explain because it's beyond the experience of man, but God is not man, what man cannot experience can be experienced by God.

God can have a part of Him that knows all things, and another part that does not know all things. It depends on what God has allocated to each part of Himself for His own Devine purposes.

Now, take note. Not that God cannot Judge. God can judge but He has assigned the judgement role to the Son. In the same vein, not that the Son cannot know, the Son can know but the Omnisicient role is assigned to the Father.

If you will dismiss all other Scripture just because of a few Scripture that depicts the Son as being inferior to the Father, you will have a lot of contradictions in Scripture that you will never be able to solve. And if you decide to ignore other Scripture that places the Son as God, you will not be doing justice to the Word of Truth.

Let me conclude with the following Scripture that further tells us who the Son is:

In Micah 5:2, it is written:

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The Ruler who'll rule over Israel, which is Jesus has existed from of old, from everlasting. He has existed from eternity past. Like God the Father, He has no beginning.

I studied the Hebrew version of the verse above to find that He has existed without a begining. From an everlasting past. There's no other person who has that type of pre-existence other than God Himself.

So, except we have two Gods, even this Scripture in Micah forces us to agree that God the Father and the Son are the same Person.

FxMasterz:
I have given you an elaborate answer in my answer to Pulsingpurple. But, let me make this little addition here.


Jesus came as Both man and God. He manifests both sides without mixing them up.

It a role thing. There are things Jesus did that only God can do. Take for Instancce, the healing of the man born blind in John 10. According to historical records, that man was not only born blind, he had no eyes! The sockets where the eyes should be were covered with flesh. In this particular miracle, Jesus created two eyes from clay exactly like how God did create man in the beginning. That man was given brand new eyes that he never had. That is why that miracle is different from the one of blind Bartimeaus in which Jesus only commanded him to receive what he desired, and he started to see. Remember how the disciples even asked Jesus questions about the John 10 guy. The question, "Who sinned, is it him or his parents that he was born blind?" That's because his case was not actually normal. Jesus had to answer them that it was for the Son of man to be glorified that that man was born blind, without eyes. To provide new eyes for such a person is what only God can do. Jesus demonstrated that The was the One who created the eyes by using clay as a SIGN. The clay was a SIGN. A signal, to signal who He was. Otherwise, He could just says "Get your eyes" and the man would receive eyes. But He went to that length of dipping His hands into the dirty mud because He wanted to reveal something.

So, God is One, and His three personalities define the different roles iHe operates in, in His giant plan of Redemption.

Truthseeker10:
Where does John 9:3 mention "it was for the Son of man to be glorified that that man was born blind, without eyes"?

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Truthseeker10:
Is the write up below correct? Yes or no?

FxMasterz:
Was God not glorified by that miracle? Yes, or no?

FxMasterz:
Have you read that I do not go by popular opinion?

I don't buy anything anyone says. I study the Scriptures for myself, lest be deceived or be miguided by men like myself.

What I understand of the Trinity from my own personal study of Scripture is what I have explained so far.

Truthseeker10:
1)So the other opinions of Trinitarians are wrong opinions. Only FxMasterz has the right opinion about trinity?

2)How do you tackle the obstacles of your submission below?

Truthseeker10:
I never said God was not glorified. The question is simple.

Where does John 9:3 mention "it was for the Son of man to be glorified that that man was born blind, without eyes"?

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

FxMasterz:
All these your AI generated texts only complicated matters for you but not for those who are led by the Spirit.


Mam has a Body, Soul and Spirit. All three function separately, and that does not mean that the man is three in number. Have you heard Solomon saying "I communed with my Spirit"? Ecclesiastes 1:16.

Also, if I am the CEO of Access Bank as well as the Accountant for DD Arts and Creations, if I want to obtain a loan from Access Bank, won't I as Accountant of DD Arts and Creations write a loan application request to the CEO of Access Bank which is also myself?

The moment you understand that God distributes roles to Himself and assigned those roles to different parts of His manifestation, you will have a clearer understanding of God. Otherwise, you'll be in paganism with a one God, 3 Gods nonsense.

FxMasterz:
I did not quote the verse directly, I only paraphrased offhand. But the very verse itself authenticates my assertion more that what I thought.

My the work Jesus did, He manifested the Works of God. He worked the works only God can do as a sign that He Himself is the same eternal Being who created the eyes.

You added the "born without eyes" phrase which I never added. You should tell us in which scripture you found that. I only told you that some historical texts said the man actually had no eyeballs in his head. He was said to have more than ordinarily blindness. He had no eyes.