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PulsingPurple:
Honestly wish I had enough time and energy on my hand to engage all these talks...

But one this is sure bro, you're not the first here on NL, you won't be the last either.
Many old members have spoken up in the past and as tradition, Max has always been there to drop a counter opinion.

If I were giving free advice I'd advise against wasting time engaging him hoping he'll reason on anything you say.
Everyone who knows him can tell you how he handles conversations, he's predictable enough for me to predict that you'll just end up with another unnecessarily prolonged thread with no key takeaways.
Unless of course you're just there to enforce your points and maybe catch cruise with all disagree-ers.

The most in depth informations I got about JW came from people like you boss, carry on. 🙌

Thanks a lot bro 🙌 I really appreciate your words. I am not arguing with Max to change his mind, because it’s clear he is not ready for honest discussion. My main focus is to help people who are confused. They will read the points I share and understand things better.

Now I have stopped replying him directly. Instead of answering the facts, he keeps dodging and talking about another thing. I don’t have time for that anymore.

And honestly, many people who are trapped inside have later come forward and left the religion after reading the truth we share. When they think critically and apply logic, they realize they have been deceived for long. I know, because I was once like Max — defending everything about Jehovah’s Witnesses with blind loyalty. But when my eyes opened, I dropped my position as an elder myself. I didn’t commit any wrongdoing, I was a faithful elder. But I came to see that this religion is not the truth, and the Governing Body is not led by God’s holy spirit.

So, the value is not in whether Max agrees or not. The value is that other people reading will see the truth behind all the blind loyalty.

Thank you again for encouraging me 🙏. I will keep sharing the facts for those who really want to know.

Janosky:

Christendom even admits that Jehovah God is Unchangeable CHANGER.
You have seen ALL the evidence in your Bible. Nobody would stop you from WAILING. Please yourself..

I always thank Jehovah for way i found the truth because instead of getting the message directly from members of Jehovah's Witnesses it was these apostates that preached to me unknowingly!
How?
Ever since i have known religionists what new converts always do is to preach about their new found faith because they feel so good that they've gotten something better than what they had before and are willing to share it with everyone they could engage but when i met the exjws their case is totally strange to me as they keep on speaking about their former religion as if nobody has ever been converted before!
Haba! If you have left your old religion that's normal after all it's change which is constant but dwelling on your past as if there is no way forward is what really baffles me.
So i decided to know the religion they are talking about at least to verify what exactly makes it so difficult for these people to let go and move on like every other religionist that's how i came to know that they have no other place to go or any better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses the organization they can't forget!

wumiwumi100:
Thanks a lot bro 🙌 I really appreciate your words. I am not arguing with Max to change his mind, because it’s clear he is not ready for honest discussion. My main focus is to help people who are confused. They will read the points I share and understand things better.
Now I have stopped replying him directly. Instead of answering the facts, he keeps dodging and talking about another thing. I don’t have time for that anymore.

And honestly, many people who are trapped inside have later come forward and left the religion after reading the truth we share. When they think critically and apply logic, they realize they have been deceived for long. I know, because I was once like Max — defending everything about Jehovah’s Witnesses with blind loyalty. But when my eyes opened, I dropped my position as an elder myself. I didn’t commit any wrongdoing, I was a faithful elder. But I came to see that this religion is not the truth, and the Governing Body is not led by God’s holy spirit.

So, the value is not in whether Max agrees or not. The value is that other people reading will see the truth behind all the blind loyalty.

Thank you again for encouraging me 🙏. I will keep sharing the facts for those who really want to know.

Ọmọ you were never ever like me!

I love God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength {Mark 12:30} so no matter what happens i won't give up on wholesome association of His worshipers because i know that's the only place where His blessings is to come from! Psalms 133:1&3
As a Muslim i always love being in the midst of those worshiping the true God {Hebrews 10:24-25} not until i met Jehovah's Witnesses and discovered they have all what it takes to be called God's people.
So if you feel those taking the lead among God's people shouldn't make any mistakes i will like you to prove that from any religious book be it the Bible or Quran because God never promised such throughout all the religious books i've read the only thing God always give as evidence of His backing is fulfillment of prophecies and the doing of His will.

*God promised to gather peace lovers throughout the earth under one umbrella. Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1
*God promised to lead them into seeing the truth of His messages. Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
*God promised to send His holy spirit to guide His worshipers so that they settled their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbors. Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
Is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses fulfilling these prophecy today?
YES!
The next question any sincere and honest hearted individuals need to ask himself or herself is:
Who is leading these imperfect men to achieve what God promised throughout the earth today? Act 1:8

Truth is not afraid of examination. If an organization claims to be God’s only channel, then every teaching, every policy, every instruction should stand firm on the Bible without later reversal. It shouldn't be a pattern of rules that keep changing with time.

Jesus warned clearly in Matthew 7:15-16 about false prophets: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” Any group that causes families to be divided, silences questions, and punishes sincere doubts is already showing rotten fruit.

Paul said in Galatians 1:8 that even if an angel preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed. That means the standard of truth does not shift. But when men claim “new light” every time they change doctrine, what they are really saying is that yesterday’s truth was false. That is not how Jehovah works.

Also, at Acts 17:11 the Beroeans were praised for checking the Scriptures daily, not condemned. Questioning, researching, and comparing teachings with the Bible is what God expects of sincere people. So when an organization discourages independent thinking and tells you to accept whatever they say, that’s control, not truth.

At the end of the day, truth doesn’t need defending with fear. If something is truly from God, it will shine by itself. If it needs constant threats of disfellowshipping, shunning, and blind loyalty to survive, then it exposes itself as man-made.

Janosky:
Did your country's Government that supports vocational education & acquisition of viable vocational skills claim that vocational education /skills is "illiteracy?"

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.


Wumiwumi100 never said anything like that.
Oga,You heard that from your church pulpit?

Are now denying your Governing Body' and their doctrines?

Education is the antidote to myths, superstitions, and dogmas. How can your organization lead you if you are allowed to research?

Education is a scam, it has no use on paradise and JWs are living in a Mock Paradise.

wumiwumi100:
Truth is not afraid of examination. If an organization claims to be God’s only channel, then every teaching, every policy, every instruction should stand firm on the Bible without later reversal. It shouldn't be a pattern of rules that keep changing with time.

Jesus warned clearly in Matthew 7:15 Se-16 about false prophets: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” Any group that causes families to be divided, silences questions, and punishes sincere doubts is already showing rotten fruit.

Paul said in Galatians 1:8 that even if an angel preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed. That means the standard of truth does not shift. But when men claim “new light” every time they change doctrine, what they are really saying is that yesterday’s truth was false. That is not how Jehovah works.

Also, at Acts 17:11 the Beroeans were praised for checking the Scriptures daily, not condemned. Questioning, researching, and comparing teachings with the Bible is what God expects of sincere people. So when an organization discourages independent thinking and tells you to accept whatever they say, that’s control, not truth.

At the end of the day, truth doesn’t need defending with fear. If something is truly from God, it will shine by itself. If it needs constant threats of disfellowshipping, shunning, and blind loyalty to survive, then it exposes itself as man-made.

There's no modicum of truth in JWs' teachings. As you pointed out, ' truth is not afraid of examination'.. Truth is discovered and makes lasting impacts and effects on the recipient. When you are under a threat or persecution for reexamining your beliefs. There is something to hide rather than protect
Education did not sway great minds like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Emmanuel Kant, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Olukoya these are PhD holders. Education has When people like Professor Furuli, Carl Olof Jonsson, Franz and co began to research into the chronological analogy that led to 1914, all of them were disfellowshiped!

wumiwumi100:
Truth is not afraid of examination. If an organization claims to be God’s only channel, then every teaching, every policy, every instruction should stand firm on the Bible without later reversal. It shouldn't be a pattern of rules that keep changing with time.

Jesus warned clearly in Matthew 7:15-16 about false prophets: “By their fruits you will recognize them.” Any group that causes families to be divided, silences questions, and punishes sincere doubts is already showing rotten fruit.

Paul said in Galatians 1:8 that even if an angel preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed. That means the standard of truth does not shift. But when men claim “new light” every time they change doctrine, what they are really saying is that yesterday’s truth was false. That is not how Jehovah works.

Also, at Acts 17:11 the Beroeans were praised for checking the Scriptures daily, not condemned. Questioning, researching, and comparing teachings with the Bible is what God expects of sincere people. So when an organization discourages independent thinking and tells you to accept whatever they say, that’s control, not truth.

At the end of the day, truth doesn’t need defending with fear. If something is truly from God, it will shine by itself. If it needs constant threats of disfellowshipping, shunning, and blind loyalty to survive, then it exposes itself as man-made.

Gbam! Why are you afraid of questioning when you know you have the truth? What are you scared of? Why is the Governing body against a JW pointing out their errors when they have already admitted they can make mistakes? Shouldn't you encourage your members to compare what you say with the Bible because of that? If A JW reads the Bible and finds out that several doctrines are wrong, why do they punish the JW for daring to point it out? These are Traits of a Cult. You are not allowed to question. You're not allowed to correct them when they are wrong. This means that the Governing body are not concerned with teaching you what is correct. They are only interested in controlling you as the typical Cult leaders that they are.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.

The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

We Ex JWs have argued this No University Education with Mad Max and his miscreants. They were even denying that such doctrine exist but countless times throughout my time in JW during Conventions, University Education was always kicked against. Since I was a Teen, that doctrine never sat well with me and I always disregarded it. Yet, My Father and many other Elders and Ministerial servants were removed from their positions simply because their children attended University or they themselves attended.

Now here is the Governing body dropping the doctrine. Why? Because they have been wrong all these years . Because they have been misleading JWs for many years to their own detriment and Because they have lost too many members. Their empty Kingdom Halls in many countries are piling up for sale. The population of ExJWs in many websites are increasing every single day. In fact, there was an increase in the number of members in EXJW Reddit when this Update was announced.

The JWs you have been taking your time to explain your opinion will never admit to themselves that their Governing body has been misleading them. I told Mad Max and his miscreants that more changes are coming. And here we are with this change in University Education.

My Question now is, since they have realized their error and now allow University Education, the people they have offended by removing their positions for allowing their Children to attend University, is there any apology for them? They have offended these JWs. Are they going to admit their wrong and apologize and give them back their positions? Will they stop removing Elders and Ministerial servants from their positions? what are they going to do for the JWs who took that doctrine seriously and did not attend University or did not allow their children to do so? There is a JW website called Jwtalk. JWs go there to discuss. When this Update was announced, you need to see some already complaining about it because they really took that doctrine seriously. The affected JWS were complaining because of the opportunities they and their loved ones lost. Some have already passed the age of going to school all for them to see this update. I laugh. Na now their eye dey open? I thought they will never complain and go with anything the GB tells them.

bolabizzle:
MaxInDHouse doesn't believe those news of molesting are real. He said since non have happened in Nigeria then it is fake news. What do you think of that?

But he believes the same news if it is about the Catholic Church that they hate the most. Hypocrisy.

bolabizzle:
Better to leave JWs alone. They will not see the truth by argument. Most who leave do so after being deeply hurt by their own group.

Exactly. Only JWs who have been directly affected negatively by their policies leave the Cult eventually.

Janosky:
The Government is encouraging youths & graduates to acquire viable Vocational skills which the JWs boldly support.
But why do you prefer to wail about JWs GB preference, which in itself is lawful?

Abeg , go rest jare.

This means you are against this doctrine from your Governing body. Can you climb platform and announce to the whole JWS or during a convention this opinion of yours without been punished? Talk true for once. You love to lie to yourself. The last time I discussed this doctrine to you, you were busy denying that Elders and Ministerial servants are removed because of this doctrine. I even showed you evidence. Now look at your Governing body telling you they were wrong about this doctrine. What lesson have you learned so far? As a JW, are you to take what the Governing body say as correct knowing they can lead you astray? Shey your eye don open now! Your fellow JWS are now complaining because of this change. I told you more changes are coming and here we are. Is your Governing body going to apologize to JWs that they offended with that doctrine? The lives they destroyed with that doctrine. Are they going to stop removing Elders and Ministerial servants? What plans do they ha e for JWs who didn't go to the University since they have lost many opportunities? Is this a fair thing to do, to ask people to avoid University then turn around and say they are now allowed to do so knowing very well you have destroyed their lives? It is time you start asking yourself questions because this is not the end. More changes are coming.

MightySparrow:
I personally support the Governing Body' doctrine of illiteracy. They as the ONLY Bible knowing body with the pure religion do not want any corruption from the world of knowledge.

The Bible even says:
Ps.62.9 - Surely[b] men of low degree[/b] (HND, B. sc) ]are vanity and men of high degree (M.Sc, PhD, DSc): are a lie to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

This world would soon translate to paradise. Why would you allow vanity and lie to go there?


cc: Janosky
maximumSide,
wumiwumi100

Hahahahahaha. Don't mind this people. They down play University yet they ask JWs who have attended to come to their headquarters and give them free services. Their Governing body are very confused people.

Courz:
Hahahahahaha. Don't mind this people. They down play University yet they ask JWs who have attended to come to their headquarters and give them free services. Their Governing body are very confused people.

Hahahahaha
That is why I have always maintained that this organization against Jehovah is deluded.

So do you mean to say that there hasn't been Jehovah's witnesses in the tertiary institution around the world all these years that you claim the GB of Jehovah's witnesses spoke against/banned higher Education among Jehovah's witnesses?

I am a JW and my dad before his death was an Elder in the congregation. I went to the university and all my folks who were JW's went to the university. I have a PhD and i have been serving as an elder for 15 years now.

It has always been a personal decision. The GB has always spoke about the dangers of higher education, they have not condemned it. They know the advantages and usefulness of secular education, they also know the disadvantages of it. What Bro. David Splane said in the video is just a clarification due to misconceptions around the "higher education" issue.

There's a public talk outline entitled: "Use Education to praise Jehovah." where emphasis is placed on using whatever education, including secular education to bring praise to Jehovah.

The GB has always stressed that in the grand scale of things, your secular education does not measure up to divine education and where is the lie there? Divine education will save your life, but we cannot say that about secular education. They have constantly put that in front of JW's without making decisions for them, that why i went to the university and still was spiritually minded enough to reach out for privileges of service.

So, what he said in the video is not new. He is just clarifying the issue because of some misconceptions. The GB have never banned tertiary education, they have only asked the JW to make sure their decisions regarding the matter bring glory to Jehovah.

MightySparrow:
Hahahahaha
That is why I have always maintained that this organization against Jehovah is deluded.

I don't know why JWs even bother to show face here to argue. They are supposed to be ashamed of their doctrines and their Governing body for misleading them. Just imagine the many lives they have destroyed with this man made doctrine.

BIBLESPEAKS:
So do you mean to say that there hasn't been Jehovah's witnesses in the tertiary institution around the world all these years that you claim the GB of Jehovah's witnesses spoke against/banned higher Education among Jehovah's witnesses?

I am a JW and my dad before his death was an Elder in the congregation. I went to the university and all my folks who were JW's went to the university. I have a PhD and i have been serving as an elder for 15 years now.

It has always been a personal decision. The GB has always spoke about the dangers of higher education, they have not condemned it. They know the advantages and usefulness of secular education, they also know the disadvantages of it. What Bro. David Splane said in the video is just a clarification due to misconceptions around the "higher education" issue.

There's a public talk outline entitled: "Use Education to praise Jehovah." where emphasis is placed on using whatever education, including secular education to bring praise to Jehovah.

The GB has always stressed that in the grand scale of things, your secular education does not measure up to divine education and where is the lie there? Divine education will save your life, but we cannot say that about secular education. They have constantly put that in from of JW's without making decisions for them, that why i went to the university and still was spiritually minded enough to reach out for privileges of service.

So, what he said in the video is not new. He is just clarifying the issue because of some misconceptions. The GB have never banned tertiary education, they have only asked the JW to make sure their decisions regarding the matter bring glory to Jehovah.

Why are you lying? So, because the Governing body have admitted their error and now allow University Education, you want to deny this doctrine? For you to lie so boldly like this means in your mind, you truly are against this doctrine. It also means that you don't attend your conventions. Are you truly a JW? STOP IT. Elders and Ministerial servants are removed from their positions if they attend or their children attend University. You know this to be true. In my former congregation, the Coordinator avoids telling JWs his daughter is in the University simply because of this doctrine. Why are they removed if this doctrine doesn't exist? Why was my Father removed from his position as Elder because my Brother was in Law School? Please, try to have a little conscience when you lie. You JWs love to lie like your Governing body. If truly they never banned University, why are Elders and Ministerial servants punished because of it? Why is University always discouraged? Ask yourself questions o. Because more changes are coming. You better get ready. You have been scammed.

Courz:
Why are you lying? So, because the Governing body have admitted their error and now allow University Education, you want to deny this doctrine? For you to lie so boldly like this means in your mind, you truly are against this doctrine. It also means that you don't attend your conventions. Are you truly a JW? STOP IT. Elders and Ministerial servants are removed from their positions if they attend or their children attend University. You know this to be true. In my former congregation, the Coordinator avoids telling JWs his daughter is in the University simply because of this doctrine. Why are they removed if this doctrine doesn't exist? Why was my Father removed from his position as Elder because my Brother was in Law School? Please, try to have a little conscience when you lie. You JWs love to lie like your Governing body. If truly they never banned University, why are Elders and Ministerial servants punished because of it? Why is University always discouraged? Ask yourself questions o. Because more changes are coming. You better get ready. You have been scammed.

You were not one of JW or if you were, then you didn't understand the issue of higher education. My dad was an elder before his death in 2008. i went to the university from his house. This was because he wanted to still maintain spiritual oversight over me, he wanted me to be under his watch as i attended the university so that i don't get corrupted. The university is a world of its own and many young ones have gone in and did to come out the same. My dad continued serving as an elder until his death. I know many elders, even until now, that sent their children to the university. The children go to the university from the house.

The issue here is whether the GB banned tertiary education. No they did not, as i know many JW who are students and still serve as elders and ministerial servants in school congregations. I was appointed a ministerial servant while i was in 200L. What the GB have always done is help JW see the dangers in higher education and this is also done by parents and guardians all over the world for their children who go to school.

BIBLESPEAKS:
You were not one of JW or if you were, then you didn't understand the issue of higher education. My dad was an elder before his death in 2008. i went to the university from his house. This was because he wanted to still maintain spiritual oversight on me, he wanted to be under his watch as i attended the university so that i don't get corrupted. The university is a world of its own and many young ones have gone in and did to come out the same. My dad continued serving as an elder until his death. I know many elders, even until before the JW update, that sent their children to the university. The children go to the university from the house.

The issue here is whether the GB banned tertiary education. No they did not, as i had many JW who are students and still serve as elders and ministerial servants in school congregations. I was appointed a ministerial servant while i was in 200L. What the GB have always done is help JW see the dangers in higher education and this is also done by parents and guardians all over the world for their children who go to school.

All these your many talks are not necessary. You haven't answered my question. You are not a JW. You are lying. Because if you really are one, you would know this doctrine exists. Why are Elders and Ministerial servants removed from their positions if they attend University or their children attend University? What is the motive behind the removal? Why was University heavily discouraged before this Update?

JWs can lie. God forbid. They are ashamed of their doctrine. What a shame.

Courz:
JWs can lie. God forbid. They are ashamed of their doctrine. What a shame.

All i have told you is true. From time immemorial, any of JW's who decide to go to the university have always gone and they were not removed from the congregation, many people here will testify that they had JW's course mates in the university. Many of them even made progress while in the university. I personally studied the bible with a course mate of mine while in the university and he got baptized a year after we graduated, now he is an elder.

An elder who sends his child (who's probably a minor and under his watch) to the university, away from his household may no longer qualify to serve as an elder (his deletion is not a certainty, as a couple of questions will be asked). The reason is that Elders from the context of the bible are shepherds or overseers of the flock which are God's people. Think of it as a literal shepherd with a flock of sheep. The shepherd keeps the sheep within his sight, guiding them for fear the wolves or a lion may attack. This is the role the elders play in the congregation who are the sheep. If the ungodly and immoral dangers of the university are undebated, the decision to send his child to the university where he does not have a spiritual oversight over him, disqualifies him from serving as an elder - 1Tim 3:4

But this is not what Bro. Splane was talking about in the video. He was talking about the decision to get a tertiary education....it has always been a decision a person was to make. I have been serving as an elder and i decided to start a doctorate program and the elders knew about it, in fact, there were two elders in the congregation who had PhD due to the fact that they were university lecturers, the congregation also knew about it until i was done with the program, there were a couple of students in my congregation in the university where I did my PhD. Did the program have a negative effect on my spiritual focus? No. During my PhD program, i was a regular pioneer.
It has always been a decision for everyone to make, but the GB has always stressed the dangers of going to the university, listing other options as JW's continue to make a decision for themselves.

Courz:
I don't know why JWs even bother to show face here to argue. They are supposed to be ashamed of their doctrines and their Governing body for misleading them. Just imagine the many lives they have destroyed with this man made doctrine.

They practice what others practiced had confined into the dustbin of history as new knowledge. They continue to deceive themselves with the ONLY channel to God. Many denominations by different names and times had claimed that in the past. What led to catholic monastery is just because of separation from the world.
Salvation army did their own, Methodist and so on. This group has taken their own to a delusional dimension.
The bask in the euphoria of delusion and conceit.

BIBLESPEAKS:
All i have told you is true. From time immemorial, any of JW's who decide to go to the university have always gone and they were not removed from the congregation, many people here will testify that they had JW's course mates in the university. Many of them even made progress while in the university. I personally studied the bible with a course mate of mine while in the university and he got baptized a year after we graduated, now he is an elder.

An elder who sends his child (who's probably a minor and under his watch) to the university, away from his household may no longer qualify to serve as an elder (his deletion is not a certainty, as a couple of questions will be asked). The reason is that Elders from the context of the bible are shepherds or overseers of the flock which are God's people. Think of it as a literal shepherd with a flock of sheep. The shepherd keeps the sheep within his sight, guiding them for fear the wolves or a lion may attack. This is the role the elders play in the congregation who are the sheep. If the ungodly and immoral dangers of the university are undebated, the decision to send his child to the university where he does not have a spiritual oversight over him, disqualifies him from serving as an elder - 1Tim 3:4

But this is not what Bro. Splane was talking about in the video. He was talking about the decision to get a tertiary education....it has always been a decision a person was to make. I have been serving as an elder and i decided to start a doctorate program and the elders knew about it, in fact, there were two elders in the congregation who had PhD due to the fact that they were university lecturers, the congregation also knew about it until i was done with the program, there were a couple of students in my congregation in the university where I did my PhD. Did the program have a negative effect on my spiritual focus? No. During my PhD program, i was a regular pioneer.
It has always been a decision for everyone to make, but the GB has always stressed the dangers of going to the university, listing other options as JW's continue to make a decision for themselves.

I am not interested in your long stories. Haba! What will it take you to answer my simple questions. If it is truly a personal decision to attend University, why are Elders and Ministerial servants who attend or who have children in University, removed from their positions? Use your Brain and think very well. The Brain is not for decoration. Why punish Elders and Ministerial servants who go for University Education? Why was University discouraged? Why is it that in conventions, they take the pain to organize demonstrations and interview JWs who forgo University in Order to sway or coerce you JWS TO DO THE SAME? Why are there demonstrations in conventions made to coerce you JWs to abandon University Education if it is truly a personal decision? I am not interested in your stories. Do Not Give me Stories. I want answers! Is it that during Conventions when they discourage University, you block your ears and pretend they are not saying anything?

MightySparrow:
There's no modicum of truth in JWs' teachings. As you pointed out, ' truth is not afraid of examination'.. Truth is discovered and makes lasting impacts and effects on the recipient. When you are under a threat or persecution for reexamining your beliefs. There is something to hide rather than protect
Education did not sway great minds like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Emmanuel Kant, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Olukoya these are PhD holders. Education has When people like Professor Furuli, Carl Olof Jonsson, Franz and co began to research into the chronological analogy that led to 1914, all of them were disfellowshiped!

Yes, that’s it. Any religion that threatens or punishes members for asking honest questions is already showing it has something to hide. If the teaching is true, it will defend itself from the Bible and facts

Courz:
We Ex JWs have argued this No University Education with Mad Max and his miscreants. They were even denying that such doctrine exist but countless times throughout my time in JW during Conventions, University Education was always kicked against. Since I was a Teen, that doctrine never sat well with me and I always disregarded it. Yet, My Father and many other Elders and Ministerial servants were removed from their positions simply because their children attended University or they themselves attended.

Now here is the Governing body dropping the doctrine. Why? Because they have been wrong all these years . Because they have been misleading JWs for many years to their own detriment and Because they have lost too many members. Their empty Kingdom Halls in many countries are piling up for sale. The population of ExJWs in many websites are increasing every single day. In fact, there was an increase in the number of members in EXJW Reddit when this Update was announced.

The JWs you have been taking your time to explain your opinion will never admit to themselves that their Governing body has been misleading them. I told Mad Max and his miscreants that more changes are coming. And here we are with this change in University Education.

My Question now is, since they have realized their error and now allow University Education, the people they have offended by removing their positions for allowing their Children to attend University, is there any apology for them? They have offended these JWs. Are they going to admit their wrong and apologize and give them back their positions? Will they stop removing Elders and Ministerial servants from their positions? what are they going to do for the JWs who took that doctrine seriously and did not attend University or did not allow their children to do so? There is a JW website called Jwtalk. JWs go there to discuss. When this Update was announced, you need to see some already complaining about it because they really took that doctrine seriously. The affected JWS were complaining because of the opportunities they and their loved ones lost. Some have already passed the age of going to school all for them to see this update. I laugh. Na now their eye dey open? I thought they will never complain and go with anything the GB tells them.

I really agree with everything you said Courz. You spoke the plain truth. As for Max, I had to just block him because he is simply an unreasonable person. Anytime you raise a clear point, instead of answering directly, he will start diverting, twisting things, and talking off-topic. That’s hypocrisy. He refused to answer any of my questions with honesty and just kept writing gibberish.

The sad part is, this is exactly how blind loyalty works, ignoring facts, dodging questions, and defending what even the Governing Body themselves have quietly changed.

Just like you said the Governing Body misled people for years with the higher education doctrine, and now they want to act like nothing happened. No apology, no restoration for those humiliated or removed, no consideration for people who lost opportunities forever. That alone shows the danger of blindly following men who claim to speak for God.

BIBLESPEAKS:
It has always been a personal decision.

If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

wumiwumi100:
I really agree with everything you said Courz. You spoke the plain truth. As for Max, I had to just block him because he is simply an unreasonable person. Anytime you raise a clear point, instead of answering directly, he will start diverting, twisting things, and talking off-topic. That’s hypocrisy. He refused to answer any of my questions with honesty and just kept writing gibberish.

The sad part is, this is exactly how blind loyalty works, ignoring facts, dodging questions, and defending what even the Governing Body themselves have quietly changed.

Just like you said the Governing Body misled people for years with the higher education doctrine, and now they want to act like nothing happened. No apology, no restoration for those humiliated or removed, no consideration for people who lost opportunities forever. That alone shows the danger of blindly following men who claim to speak for God.

You don't have to mention me in your posts again after all you now have your type who will continue hailing you when you keep wailing instead of jubilation for finding something better than what you had in the past.

I love this idea as you won't see my posts neither do i have to see yours we just have to go our separate ways.

Goodbye and continue enjoying your self righteousness in the absence of any reputable group of fellow believers!

AkinwaleJJ:
You don't have to mention me in your posts again after all you now have your type who will continue hailing you when you keep wailing instead of jubilation for finding something better than what you had in the past.

I love this idea as you won't see my posts neither do i have to see yours we just have to go our separate ways.

Goodbye and continue enjoying your self righteousness in the absence of any reputable group of fellow believers!

Imagine blocking you, yet you still open another account just to monitor me. 😂 My guy, who is really wailing now? You’re the one roaming around defending the Governing Body even after they told you not to waste time arguing online. Clearly, the truth being exposed about the Governing Body pain you deep, that’s why you can’t let go. You’re stuck because my words cut through your blind loyalty.

wumiwumi100:
If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

I don't know if that guy understands English. This is the same question I have been asking over and over again but like Mad Max, he is dodging the question and reverting back to defending his Governing body. I don't know if I have been speaking German or English all this while. He will not answer you o. He will pretend you didn't ask these questions and start typing stories for you. Do JWs know the difference between Personal decisions and Coerced decisions? I don't think they do.