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wumiwumi100:
I really agree with everything you said Courz. You spoke the plain truth. As for Max, I had to just block him because he is simply an unreasonable person. Anytime you raise a clear point, instead of answering directly, he will start diverting, twisting things, and talking off-topic. That’s hypocrisy. He refused to answer any of my questions with honesty and just kept writing gibberish.

The sad part is, this is exactly how blind loyalty works, ignoring facts, dodging questions, and defending what even the Governing Body themselves have quietly changed.

Just like you said the Governing Body misled people for years with the higher education doctrine, and now they want to act like nothing happened. No apology, no restoration for those humiliated or removed, no consideration for people who lost opportunities forever. That alone shows the danger of blindly following men who claim to speak for God.

wumiwumi100:
Imagine blocking you, yet you still open another account just to monitor me. 😂 My guy, who is really wailing now? You’re the one roaming around defending the Governing Body even after they told you not to waste time arguing online. Clearly, the truth being exposed about the Governing Body pain you deep, that’s why you can’t let go. You’re stuck because my words cut through your blind loyalty.

correctguy101:
In my opinion, any who chooses to live their lives based on whatever a random person other than themselves says, as long as they consciously do so, not coerced or drugged, they should bear responsibility themselves.

And OP, university education especially in our society today does not give any iota of guarantee of living a fulfilling life. That is dependent on too many things. So claiming some people are this and that over what the governing body of JW's said is totally nonsense and I might add insincere. Most of the university education in Africa especially never prepares anyone for life after school and even realities that one would face after school. Learning trades and short useful vocational training is the best the way I see it all. I did both though.

And I no go lie, I no even know wetin I go use my papers do like this as my business is enough for me to live till I kick jerrycan.

Stop blaming people for decisions you take yasef. Yes, they tell you not to go university and you foolishly didn't go? Okay, the other things they advised you do instead of school, did you do them? How well are you doing them wey make you no fit succeed but instead think say na school wey you no go cause am? Abegi

I don type long epistle today again...

SMH

AkinwaleJJ:
This is my wife's account that i often use when Nairaland bot ban me.

correctguy101:
In my opinion, any who chooses to live their lives based on whatever a random person other than themselves says, as long as they consciously do so, not coerced or drugged, they should bear responsibility themselves.

And OP, university education especially in our society today does not give any iota of guarantee of living a fulfilling life. That is dependent on too many things. So claiming some people are this and that over what the governing body of JW's said is totally nonsense and I might add insincere. Most of the university education in Africa especially never prepares anyone for life after school and even realities that one would face after school. Learning trades and short useful vocational training is the best the way I see it all. I did both though.

And I no go lie, I no even know wetin I go use my papers do like this as my business is enough for me to live till I kick jerrycan.

Stop blaming people for decisions you take yasef. Yes, they tell you not to go university and you foolishly didn't go? Okay, the other things they advised you do instead of school, did you do them? How well are you doing them wey make you no fit succeed but instead think say na school wey you no go cause am? Abegi

I don type long epistle today again...

SMH

AkinwaleJJ:
This is my wife's account that i often use when Nairaland bot ban me.
I believe after blocking someone you should forget about whatever such a person said but it's funny how you keep talking about me after blocking my comment well others will see your self righteousness and tell you the truth:

wumiwumi100:
Stop the hypocrisy bro. The issue no be “random advice.” GB claimed to speak for Jehovah and punished anyone who disobeyed. Elders lost positions, families disgraced, youths blocked from higher education. That’s not free choice it's control.

You say education no guarantee success, that's true, but stop acting like it’s useless. Skills + education > skills alone. I’m a Cloud Engineer, and I know this: without degree your salary fit be x10 lower than person wey no sabi 20% of what you know but carry degree. That’s the reality.

You brag about your business and nobody told you not to use your degree to solve problems. Exactly! Imagine I studied Computer Science and refused to use computer skills to solve real problems, then dey shout “degree useless.” That one na hypocrisy. Same way JWs were told not to school at all, so don’t blame those who obeyed, blame the ones who gave the orders.

Vocational training works for some, but GB never pushed that. They pushed pioneering, part-time cleaning jobs, and construction work for the organization. Many who sacrificed real opportunities for that are now struggling in old age while the GB enjoys luxury off their labor. That’s the bitter truth.

And remember 1975 when prophecy fail, they push blame to members. Same thing now. They drop the no-university doctrine quietly, no apology, no restitution.

So abeg, no twist am. The fault is with those who misled millions, not those who followed in fear of Jehovah’s “channel.”

wumiwumi100:
Stop the hypocrisy bro. The issue no be “random advice.” GB claimed to speak for Jehovah and punished anyone who disobeyed. Elders lost positions, families disgraced, youths blocked from higher education. That’s not free choice it's control.

You say education no guarantee success, that's true, but stop acting like it’s useless. Skills + education > skills alone. I’m a Cloud Engineer, and I know this: without degree your salary fit be x10 lower than person wey no sabi 20% of what you know but carry degree. That’s the reality.

You brag about your business and nobody told you not to use your degree to solve problems. Exactly! Imagine I studied Computer Science and refused to use computer skills to solve real problems, then dey shout “degree useless.” That one na hypocrisy. Same way JWs were told not to school at all, so don’t blame those who obeyed, blame the ones who gave the orders.

Vocational training works for some, but GB never pushed that. They pushed pioneering, part-time cleaning jobs, and construction work for the organization. Many who sacrificed real opportunities for that are now struggling in old age while the GB enjoys luxury off their labor. That’s the bitter truth.

And remember 1975 when prophecy fail, they push blame to members. Same thing now. They drop the no-university doctrine quietly, no apology, no restitution.

So abeg, no twist am. The fault is with those who misled millions, not those who followed in fear of Jehovah’s “channel.”

correctguy101:
Whatever rocks ya boat. How do you expect someone like this daddy to understand you? I'm no Christian. And I believe everyone should be responsible for whatever they choose to do, or not to do, no matter their motivations. No shifting blames. If I dey judge matters, I'll flog all involved

And I believe it's not by force to be a JW. They doggedly continued being JW. So they should face the choices they made, whatever the results.

Never hypocritical but my own double standards can tear coat

Me don talk and I don pass. Be well ...

wumiwumi100:
You talk like someone who has never been inside the cage, that’s why you don’t understand the power of influence. People obeyed the Governing Body because they sincerely believed they were obeying God not because they were “foolish.” That’s the real weight of manipulation.

You even admit you’re not a Christian, so you don’t know what it feels like to be inside, thinking your salvation depends on obeying every word from men who claim God is leading them. Easy for you to stand outside and throw stones at victims. That’s selfish.

If someone deceives people in the name of God, the blame is not on the deceived but on the deceivers. The Governing Body knows the power they hold, and they use it to control lives. That’s not choice, that’s spiritual blackmail.

I will advice you to stop flogging victims, and try wearing their shoes first. Otherwise, your words are just empty noise.

MaxInDHouse:
After leaving against God's Organization they want to accuse the group but don't know how to go about it again!

If you are tired of one religion what stops you from joining a better one?

correctguy101:
This man, calm down.

Whoever told you I was never Christian at some point?

Currently, I'm focused on accountability and I don't understand where you don't understand that.

If a person was told to go kill people and the supposed person carries it out because they were told by someone "they" believed speaks for their God, are they exempt from any blame?

I do not even know why I brought this simple explanation here or why I have the need to.

Oh, you know we have those who literally do that, don't we? And I believe you too frowns at such senseless characters.

But remember, whatever power the governing body of JW's have is given by those who acknowledge it.

Some random guy like this my Royal Self would scoff at their nonsense.

I even saw videos of humans in Zimbabwe eating grass like cattle because someone they believe represents their God gave the directive. And you have the cheek to tell me not to flog all of them? Not to mention of the demigod in Ghana that bathes his female only members, praying for and on their "pleasure gates" for whatever, while dipping his fingers inside.

Gods, if I'm to judge, I repeat, I'll flog them all.


Gods... I don laff tire for here already. SMH

wumiwumi100:
You talk like someone who has never been inside the cage, that’s why you don’t understand the power of influence. People obeyed the Governing Body because they sincerely believed they were obeying God not because they were “foolish.” That’s the real weight of manipulation.

You even admit you’re not a Christian, so you don’t know what it feels like to be inside, thinking your salvation depends on obeying every word from men who claim God is leading them. Easy for you to stand outside and throw stones at victims. That’s selfish.

If someone deceives people in the name of God, the blame is not on the deceived but on the deceivers. The Governing Body knows the power they hold, and they use it to control lives. That’s not choice, that’s spiritual blackmail.

I will advice you to stop flogging victims, and try wearing their shoes first. Otherwise, your words are just empty noise.

Is it wrong or a crime to follow the GB advice to acquire viable vocational skills /vocational education /enterpreneurship?

Please yourself biko.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.
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wumiwumi100:
The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

Jws wey acquire viable vocational skills education to be paying their bills,fending for their families as enterpreneurs ,are struggling in what?

The 80 Millon youths unemployed youths (according to Action Aid statistics data),if they had acquired viable vocational skills,would they appear in that Action Aid statistics data?

OP,you are not honest to yourself.

wumiwumi100:
If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

Did the men REMOVE their children from the university?

Please continue WAILING.

MightySparrow:
They practice what others practiced had confined into the dustbin of history as new knowledge. They continue to deceive themselves with the ONLY channel to God.
Many denominations by different names and times had claimed that in the past. What led to catholic monastery is just because of separation from the world.
Salvation army did their own, Methodist and so on. This group has taken their own to a delusional dimension.
The bask in the euphoria of delusion and conceit.

Janosky:
Our Governing Body say make we try focus to acquire viable vocational skills to embrace entrepreneurship ( the same mantra the FG is daily telling our unemployed youths ) but the OP dey vex dey make false claims to twist the matter.

Nah only who go university dey better for life?
She's seeking for attention jare .

wumiwumi100:
If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

wumiwumi100:
If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

BIBLESPEAKS:
An elder who sends his child (who's probably a minor and under his watch) to the university, away from his household may no longer qualify to serve as an elder (his deletion is not a certainty, as a couple of questions will be asked). The reason is that Elders from the context of the bible are shepherds or overseers of the flock which are God's people. Think of it as a literal shepherd with a flock of sheep. The shepherd keeps the sheep within his sight, guiding them for fear the wolves or a lion may attack. This is the role the elders play in the congregation who are the sheep. If the ungodly and immoral dangers of the university are undebated, the decision to send his child to the university where he does not have a spiritual oversight over him, disqualifies him from serving as an elder - 1Tim 3:4

BIBLESPEAKS:
An elder who sends his child (who's probably a minor and under his watch) to the university, away from his household may no longer qualify to serve as an elder (his deletion is not a certainty, as a couple of questions will be asked). The reason is that Elders from the context of the bible are shepherds or overseers of the flock which are God's people. Think of it as a literal shepherd with a flock of sheep. The shepherd keeps the sheep within his sight, guiding them for fear the wolves or a lion may attack. This is the role the elders play in the congregation who are the sheep. If the ungodly and immoral dangers of the university are undebated, the decision to send his child to the university where he does not have a spiritual oversight over him, disqualifies him from serving as an elder - 1Tim 3:4

PulsingPurple:
Sorry to interrupt but this is literally the first time I've heard this question being answered in all these arguments.

I'm sure all the people who've been following these conversations like Courz will actually applaud you for finally putting a (seemingly) straightforward answer, e no easy 😅.

But let me make some statements please:

What's the definition of keeping watch over the sheep? You've linked it to 1 Tim 3:4 so I'll conclude that in this case it's all about guiding/guarding your own children children morally, and training them how to guard themselves.

Questions:

1. Who decides the interpretation of "undebated danger"?. And importantly, does this apply to all areas in life, not just University? That's to say if a parent sends a child to a primary school where there's "undebated danger", does that parent get kicked from the elders committee as well? How about parents that send children to places with "undebated danger", or give their children access to phones that bring "undebated danger", or even allow them out in the open where people dress with a covering of "undebated danger"...?

OR

Does "undebated danger" interpret as certain conditions in universities alone?

2. Till what sheep age does the shepherd get punishment for mismanaging his sheep.
That's to say, if a parent somehow leads a 30 year old child to "undebated danger", who pays the price?

3. Most importantly, have you considered the Scripture that talked about training children when they're young, so they'll keep the training till they're old.
Have you considered that the children being sent to university (especially back when these laws were made) were old teens and young adults...
Children that are at the stage where new instructions find it hard to enter their head, the stage where they'll look like saints and do what their parents says but will live a totally messed up life behind those covers.
That's to say if you failed as a parent, you've failed as a parent, no amount of policing and hindrance from University will change that fact as of that point.

This last Scripture Eph 6:4 is a reply to 1 Tim 3:4.

In simple terms, if a shepherd trained his sheep to avoid wolfs, why should he be afraid of sending the sheep to places where wolfs might be?
If a man can't manage his household well, do you think stopping children from going to university is the what will fix his error?
This takes us back to question 1.

PS: I've seen JWs girls going to university here in my area. I know their parents and watched them grow since they were young.
I can predict that there's a good chance university will fasttrack their exposure to immoral stuffs, and everyone will conclude that University spoiled them.
I wonder how many will know that it's their parents that aren't bringing them up properly, or that the exposure started long at home.

I don't necessarily disagree with the explanation you gave sha, just pouring opinions

wumiwumi100:
The funny thing is, if the reason he gave was truly why elders were being removed, then why the sudden change? Does that mean there is no danger anymore in the university? Update 5 clearly stated that it is now a personal decision and no one should interfere if someone chooses to pursue higher education. So does that mean the Governing Body was misled by the holy spirit? And if they truly represent God on earth, why all the confusion? 😂😂😂