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Think about this: according to the bible, Adam and Eve did not procreate until after they sinned. Why was this so? would they have procreated had they not sinned?

To add to this, Jesus revealed that when humans resurrected or put off this body of sin, there won't be marriage anymore and they won't give birth -- those things would have passed with the world of sin.

From this, we can see that marriage and procreation will be said to be something that started when man sinned and will end when the man of sin is destroyed.

In this Youtube video, our brothers took a scriptural dive to explain why childbirth will only exist when sin exists and will sin when sin ceases. kindly watch and share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

You need tk watch this to see if it aligns with your belief.

In many religion and traditions, getting married and having kids is one of the only purpose of life. Not having a child is like a curse. But Christ has shown that childbearing does not connect to godly purpose. One can serve life purpose whether or not they reproduce. God is more concerned about our hearts than our ability to reproduce.

oridavid:
Think about this: according to the bible, Adam and Eve did not procreate until after they sinned. Why was this so? would they have procreated had they not sinned?

To add to this, Jesus revealed that when humans resurrected or put off this body of sin, there won't be marriage anymore and they won't give birth -- those things would have passed with the world of sin.

From this, we can see that marriage and procreation will be said to be something that started when man sinned and will end when the man of sin is destroyed.

In this Youtube video, our brothers took a scriptural dive to explain why childbirth will only exist when sin exists and will sin when sin ceases. kindly watch and share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

If that is the case, how was Adam and Eve suppose to accomplish the admonition in Genesis 1:28?

Does that also mean that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin in order to multiply?

Genesis 1:28
God told Man to bear fruit and increase.

1. To bear fruit mean to beat fruit of righteousness
2. To increase means to increase in wisdom.

If man increase in bear fruit and increases in wisdom, then he'll have power to dominate the world.

If man does not bear fruit and does not increase in wisdom, then, he'll become useless in the world and cannot subdue.

Wisdom and righteousness is power of God, and when man has the power of God, he'll dominate, but outside the power of God, no man will prevail.

This has nothing to do with sexual reproduction, my friend.

You can watch the full video here to get a better understanding of what the speaker is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

Truthseeker10:
If that is the case, how was Adam and Eve suppose to accomplish the admonition in Genesis 1:28?

Does that also mean that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin in order to multiply?

oridavid:
Genesis 1:28
God told Man to bear fruit and increase.

1. To bear fruit mean to beat fruit of righteousness
2. To increase means to increase in wisdom.

If man increase in bear fruit and increases in wisdom, then he'll have power to dominate the world.

If man does not bear fruit and does not increase in wisdom, then, he'll become useless in the world and cannot subdue.

Wisdom and righteousness is power of God, and when man has the power of God, he'll dominate, but outside the power of God, no man will prevail.

This has nothing to do with sexual reproduction, my friend.

You can watch the full video here to get a better understanding of what the speaker is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

New King James Version
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth

What does it mean to "fill the earth"?

Good question again my friend. I must say, I like your approach.

Fill the earth depends. For some it means fill the earth with the knowledge of God, ensuring that every creature does what's right.

For other, it means to fill the earth with children.

But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.

Truthseeker10:
New King James Version
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth

What does it mean to "fill the earth"?

oridavid:
Good question again my friend. I must say, I like your approach.

Fill the earth depends. For some it means fill the earth with the knowledge of God, ensuring that every creature does what's right.

For other, it means to fill the earth with children.

But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.

So you mean that Adam and Eve were to teach animals and plants and non living things about God?

Good question again:

They won't necessarily teach them as doctrine but every animals can be trained to follow a path. So Adam and Eve would have trained every animal to behave in a way that won't be repugnant.

Have you seen the animal kingdom? You see the way lion kills the baby of the lioness for his own selfish reason or the way lion kills the antelope? Those things do not reflect righteousness.

Adam and Eve would have trained lion well and they'd not live like that.

In the new heaven and new earth where Christ is Adam, all that will stop. Lions will not feed on other animals anymore. Instead they'll feed on grass Isaiah 65:17-25

Truthseeker10:
So you mean that Adam and Eve were to teach animals and plants and non living things about God?

oridavid:
Good question again:

They won't necessarily teach them as doctrine but every animals can be trained to follow a path. So Adam and Eve would have trained every animal to behave in a way that won't be repugnant.

Have you seen the animal kingdom? You see the way lion kills the baby of the lioness for his own selfish reason or the way lion kills the antelope? Those things do not reflect righteousness.

Adam and Eve would have trained lion well and they'd not live like that.

In the new heaven and new earth where Christ is Adam, all that will stop. Lions will not feed on other animals anymore. Instead they'll feed on grass Isaiah 65:17-25

So you mean animals were killing one another in the garden of eden?

When Jesus was on earth, did he teach the animals and plants and non living things about God?

This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Truthseeker10:
So you mean animals were killing one another in the garden of eden?

When Jesus was on earth, did he teach the animals and plants and non living things about God?

oridavid:
This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

Explain Genesis 9:1 below.

New King James Version
So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.

Technically speaking, Noah and his sons had a pair of all animals. If they had understood God's commandment, they'd fill the earth with his righteousness, and perhaps the chaos in the animals kingdom would have ceased.

But Noah, like Eve didn't understand God's commandment to details and so he couldn't correct the error in the world.

But If you have any other interpretation of the text, I'll like to hear it.

Truthseeker10:
So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

Explain Genesis 9:1 below.

New King James Version
So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.

oridavid:
This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Jesus the "Adam" of the new world, my question oridavid is he God?

I don't see how that connects to the topic at hand.

gohf:
Jesus the "Adam" of the new world, my question oridavid is he God?

oridavid:
I don't see how that connects to the topic at hand.

do you need to see that before you answer?

I guess

gohf:
do you need to see that before you answer?

oridavid:
Technically speaking, Noah and his sons had a pair of all animals. If they had understood God's commandment, they'd fill the earth with his righteousness, and perhaps the chaos in the animals kingdom would have ceased.

But Noah, like Eve didn't understand God's commandment to details and so he couldn't correct the error in the world.

But If you have any other interpretation of the text, I'll like to hear it.

You've consistently avoided this question below. Please answer.

So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

oridavid:
This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Below is your statement even though you claim this is not Jesus's world. You claimed that Jesus came to accomplish what Adam failed to do which is to fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature will know him.

""But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.""

Yes and that thing Christ came to accomplish will not happen in this world. It'll happen in the new heaven and new earth.

Does that make sense to you? He came to accomplish the plan, but this world is already diseased, so that plan will be accomplished in a new world.

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement even though you claim this is not Jesus's world. You claimed that Jesus came to accomplish what Adam failed to do which is to fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature will know him.

""But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.""

You can use your discretion on that.

Adam named animals in the garden so use your discretion from then on.

Truthseeker10:
You've consistently avoided this question below. Please answer.

So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

oridavid:
You can use your discretion on that.

Adam named animals in the garden so use your discretion from then on.

this is a funny take....you claimed that Adam was to train animals not to eat each other....do you have a proof that animals ate each other in the garden of eden before man sinned?

oridavid:
Yes and that thing Christ came to accomplish will not happen in this world. It'll happen in the new heaven and new earth.

Does that make sense to you? He came to accomplish the plan, but this world is already diseased, so that plan will be accomplished in a new world.

Only you said he came to accomplish the plan.....you also say the plan will be accomplish in the new world. What plan did Jesus really accomplish while on earth and how did he accomplish it?

The plan is what God determined in the beginning, how that humans would be fruitful. Adam derailed that plan, Christ came to lead us back into that plan. We're heading there, and healing. When we get to full health. You'll see it.

Truthseeker10:
Only you said he came to accomplish the plan.....you also say the plan will be accomplish in the new world. What plan did Jesus really accomplish while on earth and how did he accomplish it?

It's by inference. Animals have been doing the things we see them do right from the garden. The fact that Adam even sinned should buttress that he was not functioning as he should.

I do not have an explicit proof, but i do have an implicit one. But if you have an explicit proof that animals did not eat themselves in the garden, you can show me.

Truthseeker10:
this is a funny take....you claimed that Adam was to train animals not to eat each other....do you have a proof that animals ate each other in the garden of eden before man sinned?

oridavid:
The plan is what God determined in the beginning, how that humans would be fruitful. Adam derailed that plan, Christ came to lead us back into that plan. We're heading there, and healing. When we get to full health. You'll see it.

You claim that humans filling the earth means only Adam and eve were to take care of all the animals and to train them not to eat each other. You also claim that Jesus came to accomplish that plan. So how did he accomplish it? Explain.

oridavid:
It's by inference. Animals have been doing the things we see them do right from the garden. The fact that Adam even sinned should buttress that he was not functioning as he should.

I do not have an explicit proof, but i do have an implicit one. But if you have an explicit proof that animals did not eat themselves in the garden, you can show me.

So who made animals to eat themselves before adam and eve sinned?

I didn't say only Adam and Eve were to take care of all the animals.

If God had created you too, Adam would have instructed you, and you will join in the work.

Truthseeker10:
You claim that humans filling the earth means only Adam and eve were to take care of all the animals and to train them not to eat each other. You also claim that Jesus came to accomplish that plan. So how did he accomplish it? Explain.

oridavid:
I didn't say only Adam and Eve were to take care of all the animals.

If God had created you too, Adam would have instructed you, and you will join in the work.

lol...funny....did you not claim that Adam and eve were not to bear children and that bearing children only happened after they sinned?

So kindly explain how Jesus accomplished the plan of training animals not to eat each other while on earth.

oridavid:
I guess

those who believe that Jesus is god would not say that Jesus is the Adam of the new world

oridavid:
It's by inference. Animals have been doing the things we see them do right from the garden. The fact that Adam even sinned should buttress that he was not functioning as he should.

I do not have an explicit proof, but i do have an implicit one. But if you have an explicit proof that animals did not eat themselves in the garden, you can show me.

So who made Adam not to function as he should before he sinned?

Truthseeker10:
If that is the case, how was Adam and Eve suppose to accomplish the admonition in Genesis 1:28?

Does that also mean that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin in order to multiply?

Maybe they're supposed to procreate by cloning. Lol.
The anatomy of both the male and female organs strongly suggests that they are meant to work together for sexual reproduction. Male and female He created them - that says a lot.

No one can claim to know what exactly happened in most of Genesis before the time of Abraham. People will only say their own theories.