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Image123 can you respond to the first part about the removed verses?

LordReed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omsuuwIcwnk

Image123 can you respond to the first part about the removed verses?

Luk 16:17 KJV And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Image123:
Luk 16:17 KJV And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Uhhh, how is this a valid response? Someone points out that critical verse was not found in the manuscripts and this is your response?

LordReed:
Uhhh, how is this a valid response? Someone points out that critical verse was not found in the manuscripts and this is your response?

Exactly, it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

If it's not meant to be there, it will fail. It's a non issue except for the usual scoffers.

Image123:
Exactly, it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

If it's not meant to be there, it will fail. It's a non issue except for the usual scoffers.

LoLz. Wow just wow. Now I know not to take you seriously. This is the same you who wanted to use Greek to beat me over the head. Now you are just going to hand wave this away? Bwahahahahahaha!

I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss, deliberately inserted by whoever wrote the Latin manuscript so as to give Trinity a resounding testimony from the book. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion.

With all these obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is not the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

LordReed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omsuuwIcwnk

Image123 can you respond to the first part about the removed verses?

External and internal evidence suggests it was a scribal gloss or note on margin that was written in subsequent scripture.

Baba you're smart

FOLYKAZE:
I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss, deliberately inserted by whoever wrote the Latin manuscript so as to give Trinity a resounding testimony from the book. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion.

With all these obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is not the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

LordReed:
https://youtu.be/omsuuwIcwnk

Image123 can you respond to the first part about the removed verses?

First challenge is what amounts to "complete word of God?" For this statement means different things to different people most especially as the bible also contains and repeats the words other people also expressed. So therefore, the word "complete" is in issue

Secondly, it's a change of Post which she does again when she shifts to asking about "removed verses" for even in here if I take away the words in bold, does it mean that this post is not your word?

No! It is still your word

Gabrielshow24:
External and internal evidence suggests it was a scribal gloss or note on margin that was written in subsequent scripture.

Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? Something is wrong here. Very wrong.

FOLYKAZE:
I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss, deliberately inserted by whoever wrote the Latin manuscript so as to give Trinity a resounding testimony from the book. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion.

With all these obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is not the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

With so many damning evidences I dunno how anyone can come to a different conclusion unless they are just ignorant of the facts or being deliberately obtuse?

LordReed:
Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? Something is wrong here. Very wrong.

You must understand that the bible is a compendium of books that have passed through the hands of different scribes. The bible is an inspiration of God but it doesn't negate the fact that humans were involved. From this, we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme—God's love. Contrary to your view, it just shows that God used imperfect humans.

I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? As for this, it's the wisdom of God that allowed us to have extant manuscripts that we can use to compare if a scribal error had been made. So the bible is somehow decentralized in the sense that if one copy makes an error we have others to check it with, this way we can detect if it was an insertion, a marginal note or scribal error in terms of numbers.

Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? It doesn't, it just shows the medium used is imperfect.

FOLYKAZE:
I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion. Nonetheless, the bible is still the word of God

With all these insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in people's version of the the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

With all the additions and removals is this not your word?

Gabrielshow24:
You must understand that the bible is a compendium of books that have passed through the hands of different scribes. The bible is an inspiration of God but it doesn't negate the fact that humans were involved. From this, we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme—God's love. Contrary to your view, it just shows that God used imperfect humans.

I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? As for this, it's the wisdom of God that allowed us to have extant manuscripts that we can use to compare if a scribal error had been made. So the bible is somehow decentralized in the sense that if one copy makes an error we have others to check it with, this way we can detect if it was an insertion, a marginal note or scribal error in terms of numbers.

Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? It doesn't, it just shows the medium used is imperfect.

Not to talk of the fact that we know that theevils will not lay down quiet and allow God's Word to be freely and undisturbingly flying about. They must surely do one or two additions and subtractions to it so that the simples will be deceived

LordReed:
With so many damning evidences I dunno how anyone can come to a different conclusion unless they are just ignorant of the facts or being deliberately obtuse?

With all the damning evidences against Tinubu, do you not still call Tinubu president of Nigeria?

Please you people are just talking rubbish

Dtruthspeaker:
With all the damning evidences against Tinubu, do you not still call Tinubu president of Nigeria?

Please you people are just talking rubbish

😂😂

Belief, or rather expression of belief has always been a choice, most times people choose with bias.
They know this and they still act like their expressions are purely unbiased and logical.

The moment they see anything that tries to even paint a slight picture that the Bible might be fabricated, they jump on it without reasoning that the survival of those ancient books is a marvel in itself.

It's common knowledge that we rely on copies and translations upon translations since we can barely understand the original language. Even Hebrew speakers have a hard time grasping biblical Hebrew...
Scholars that translate these things try to see the best ways to convey these words as English, sort out what seems legit among different copies that they could retrieve, compare and contrast, stuff like that, and in this process anything that comes out is clearly subject to HUMAN ERRORS.


You'll see them take this attribute of human error as evidence that the Bible is scam and that by implication, God is scam. They start making wise points and sounding so wise...
BUT when you present them with simple arguments as to why a creator (God) exists with sophisticated-socratic-intellectual-based points, their smart brain just can't seem to grasp. They start sounding empty, their smartness feature suddenly shuts down, they don't sound so wise again.
Trying to dodge questions/proper responses/conversations.


Believe me bro, belief, or rather expression of belief has always been a choice, and most times people choose with bias.
They know this and they still act like their expressions are purely unbiased and logical.

LordReed:
LoLz. Wow just wow. Now I know not to take you seriously. This is the same you who wanted to use Greek to beat me over the head. Now you are just going to hand wave this away? Bwahahahahahaha!

Hahahahahahaha, what has been your gain since you "took me seriously"? Apples and oranges are good fruits.

FOLYKAZE:
I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss, deliberately inserted by whoever wrote the Latin manuscript so as to give Trinity a resounding testimony from the book. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion.

With all these obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is not the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

i am guessing that you believe the ones left after all your removal of "obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication". Otherwise, this is pointless as sure as rain and tax.

Image123:
Hahahahahahaha, what has been your gain since you "took me seriously"? Apples and oranges are good fruits.

Knowledge and understanding. It is unfortunate that you think it is until I agree with you then I have gained something.

LordReed:
Knowledge and understanding. It is unfortunate that you think it is until I agree with you then I have gained something.

You don't need knowledge and understanding, that sent some folks out of Eden. It's useless without faith, repentance and life.

Gabrielshow24:
You must understand that the bible is a compendium of books that have passed through the hands of different scribes. The bible is an inspiration of God but it doesn't negate the fact that humans were involved. From this, we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme—God's love. Contrary to your view, it just shows that God used imperfect humans.

I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? As for this, it's the wisdom of God that allowed us to have extant manuscripts that we can use to compare if a scribal error had been made. So the bible is somehow decentralized in the sense that if one copy makes an error we have others to check it with, this way we can detect if it was an insertion, a marginal note or scribal error in terms of numbers.

Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? It doesn't, it just shows the medium used is imperfect.

It just shows that if it so "easy" to alter the so called word of god then at what point is a god involved?

Wisdom of god that did nothing to preserve the original manuscripts? Did nothing to preserve even the ones we eventually got in a dilapidated state that people had to be guessing what it said? Really at what point is a god involved in all this cos it sure looks like its all a human operation from where I stand.

How is it wisdom to allow error to be perpetuated in a message that is supposed to save people from eternal damnation?

The medium used is imperfect but the supposed god wants perfection. That is confused.

Image123:
You don't need knowledge and understanding, that sent some folks out of Eden. It's useless without faith, repentance and life.

That much is clear, no matter how much it doesn't make sense you'll believe it any way. I will continue to seek knowledge and understanding, at the minimum it means I'll never end up believing things that don't make sense.

LordReed:
That much is clear, no matter how much it doesn't make sense you'll believe it any way. I will continue to seek knowledge and understanding, at the minimum it means I'll never end up believing things that don't make sense.

It's big problem for you. You need faith to see. All the knowledge and understanding is summarily useless without the important and foundational things. It's a maze.1 Corinthians 8v1 is clear,Knowledge puffs up. It just makes the head big, usually for nothing.
i am sure you know that i don't believe any and everything. For example, i don't believe it if it contradicts the word of God, no matter how senseless or sensible it seems.

PulsingPurple:
😂😂

Belief, or rather expression of belief has always been a choice, most times people choose with bias.
They know this and they still act like their expressions are purely unbiased and logical.

The moment they see anything that tries to even paint a slight picture that the Bible might be fabricated, they jump on it without reasoning that the survival of those ancient books is a marvel in itself.

It's common knowledge that we rely on copies and translations upon translations since we can barely understand the original language. Even Hebrew speakers have a hard time grasping biblical Hebrew...
Scholars that translate these things try to see the best ways to convey these words as English, sort out what seems legit among different copies that they could retrieve, compare and contrast, stuff like that, and in this process anything that comes out is clearly subject to HUMAN ERRORS.


You'll see them take this attribute of human error as evidence that the Bible is scam and that by implication, God is scam. They start making wise points and sounding so wise...
BUT when you present them with simple arguments as to why a creator (God) exists with sophisticated-socratic-intellectual-based points, their smart brain just can't seem to grasp. They start sounding empty, their smartness feature suddenly shuts down, they don't sound so wise again.
Trying to dodge questions/proper responses/conversations.


Believe me bro, belief, or rather expression of belief has always been a choice, and most times people choose with bias.
They know this and they still act like their expressions are purely unbiased and logical.

Very succinctly put my brother. I don't think that there is any statement more truer than this.

Gabrielshow24:
You must understand that the bible is a compendium of books that have passed through the hands of different scribes. The bible is an inspiration of God but it doesn't negate the fact that humans were involved. From this, we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme—God's love. Contrary to your view, it just shows that God used imperfect humans.

I mean this so called almighty god didn't stop them from making that error and allowing that error to perpetuate into Christian theology for hundreds of years till date? As for this, it's the wisdom of God that allowed us to have extant manuscripts that we can use to compare if a scribal error had been made. So the bible is somehow decentralized in the sense that if one copy makes an error we have others to check it with, this way we can detect if it was an insertion, a marginal note or scribal error in terms of numbers.

Doesn't that make any claims that the Bible is the "word of God" moot? It doesn't, it just shows the medium used is imperfect.

Interesting that you say "we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme".
Seriously this doesn't question the authenticity of what is contained?

You agree that the Bible is not an error-free dictated book, but a divinely guided library of texts with errors whether minor or major?

How do you claim its sanctity and infallibility in terms of its enduring message of faith and salvation despite the absence of absolute perfection of every word?

I expect nothing less than your characteristic accusatory mockery despite the seriousness of this matter.

honesttalk21:
Interesting that you say "we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme".
Seriously this doesn't question the authenticity of what is contained?

You agree that the he Bible is not an error-free dictated book, but a divinely guided library of texts with errors whether minor or major?

How do you claim its sanctity and infallibility in terms of its enduring message of faith and salvation despite the absence of absolute perfection of every word?

I expect nothing less than your characteristic accusatory mockery despite the seriousness of this matter.

We have all had textbooks that are fraught with errors, to this I remember some biology, chemistry and physics textbooks having errors. I even remember the little jamb book called keypoints to biology or literature in English having errors.

Yet, did those errors take away the theme that if you put poison in your digestive system, you would have health issues in biology?

Or that sulphuric acid should not be placed on the skin else it would burn you in chemistry?

No.

This theme and the message is still clear and impeachable and they are still the foundation of all science today and tomorrow till the world ends

So, it is with the Bible. It's message and theme is still the same which is it is not wise to be an enemy of God.

FOLYKAZE:
I asked a JW some years back why KJV of the Bible contain 1 John 5:7 but NIV has a very short version removing the trinity. There is another Bible version can't remember precisely that removed that particular verse completely. He admitted he did not have answer and never return again.

Same thing applies to the ending of gospel of Mark, KJV had it but some version have it erased or kept it in the footnote, with a statement saying the verse is not present in the original manuscript. And again, it is a popular knowledge among critics that the story of adulterous woman and the ending of John is forgery. This prompt one to question the Bible as a whole.

1 John 5:7 is actually a theological gloss, deliberately inserted by whoever wrote the Latin manuscript so as to give Trinity a resounding testimony from the book. The ending chapter of the gospel mark v9-20 is also a deliberate insertion.

With all these obvious insertion, distortion and fabrication found almost everywhere in the Bible, it is good standing for one to hold that the Bible is not the word of God, never was an inspiration of God

Do you agree that a God exists?

LordReed:
It just shows that if it so "easy" to alter the so called word of god then at what point is a god involved?

Wisdom of god that did nothing to preserve the original manuscripts? Did nothing to preserve even the ones we eventually got in a dilapidated state that people had to be guessing what it said? Really at what point is a god involved in all this cos it sure looks like its all a human operation from where I stand.

How is it wisdom to allow error to be perpetuated in a message that is supposed to save people from eternal damnation?

The medium used is imperfect but the supposed god wants perfection. That is confused.

The message is God's. He was the one that initiated it.

The wisdom of God, preserved his words that's why we have manuscripts. From this manuscripts we can reconstruct the entire gospel. The differences are during copying, perhaps a slightly different use of language, mistake with numbers among others. None of this affects the overall message.

Sure, men were involved hence from someone as yourself, it's your subjective bias in purview.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that a God exists?

Depends on what you called God.

I don't agree that all Abrahamic Gods exist

Dtruthspeaker:
We have all had textbooks that are fraught with errors, to this I remember some biology, chemistry and physics textbooks having errors. I even remember the little jamb book called keypoints to biology or literature in English having errors.

Yet, did those errors take away the theme that if you put poison in your digestive system, you would have health issues in biology?

Or that sulphuric acid should not be placed on the skin else it would burn you in chemistry?

No.

This theme and the message is still clear and impeachable and they are still the foundation of all science today and tomorrow till the world ends

So, it is with the Bible. It's message and theme is still the same which is it is not wise to be an enemy of God.

Interesting analogy.

Do you then imply that as the content of your textbooks have evolved over time so too will your Bible? Guess we should expect a new bible soon to fit the new era humans are getting to.

It seem you don't know that scripture is not like subject textbooks. Textbooks may describe observable facts but scripture conveys spiritual and moral truths, where even small textual variations can alter interpretation and guidance.

Is your view on your scripture variability or minor errors a possible explanation for clergy officiating same gender marriages? Does that not negate God being the same yesterday, today and forever?

honesttalk21:
Interesting that you say "we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme".
Seriously this doesn't question the authenticity of what is contained?

You agree that the he Bible is not an error-free dictated book, but a divinely guided library of texts with errors whether minor or major?

How do you claim its sanctity and infallibility in terms of its enduring message of faith and salvation despite the absence of absolute perfection of every word?

I expect nothing less than your characteristic accusatory mockery despite the seriousness of this matter.

The authenticity your prophet affirmed🤨. By the way, we have manuscripts that reveal such minor scribal errors. You can't compare apples to oranges 😅.

Also, a few scribal errors doesn't affect the bible's infallibility, such errors are copyist errors—Extant manuscripts reveal this clearly... Also you seem to conflate your claim with ours. We do not make ’your’ type of claims🥱. So if one error is found in yours then it renders your allusions nought.

Our God is not limited by language barrier, he wants His children to hear His message in their own tongues. Such translation, in the olden days was an arduous task, that warranted a scribe to consistently copy from one language to another. This doesn't affect the overall theme as many NT scholars have shown after analyzing thousand copies of the bible.

Pls, tell me another lie🥱.