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Gabrielshow24:
The message is God's. He was the one that initiated it.

The wisdom of God, preserved his words that's why we have manuscripts. From this manuscripts we can reconstruct the entire gospel. The differences are during copying, perhaps a slightly different use of language, mistake with numbers among others. None of this affects the overall message.

Sure, men were involved hence from someone as yourself, it's your subjective bias in purview.

The Bible convey a supposed universal truth, a form of distilled water that contain no dirt, which is understood by many Christians as objective, absolute, and unchanging truths. When interpolation, fabrication and distortion make their way into the bible, then it isn't a direction of God but men.

Gabrielshow24:
The authenticity your prophet affirmed🤨. By the way, we have manuscripts that reveal such minor scribal errors. You can't compare apples to oranges 😅.

Also, a few scribal errors doesn't affect the bible's infallibility, such errors are copyist errors—Extant manuscripts reveal this clearly... Also you seem to conflate your claim with ours. We do not make ’your’ type of claims🥱. So if one error is found in yours then it renders your allusions nought.

Our God is not limited by language barrier, he wants His children to hear His message in their own tongues. Such translation, in the olden days was an arduous task, that warranted a scribe to consistently copy from one language to another. This doesn't affect the overall theme as many NT scholars have shown after analyzing thousand copies of the bible.

Pls, tell me another lie🥱.

Not at all. The Qur’an confirms the original Torah and Gospel were revelations from Allah, but it explicitly states that later people altered them. I see you choose to ignore that truth but you yourself has confessed to it by labelling it minor human alterations.

Qur’an 2:79
So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands then say, this is from Allah, to exchange it for a small price.

Qur’an 3:78
Indeed, among them is a party who distort the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.

FOLYKAZE:
Depends on what you called God.

I don't agree that all Abrahamic Gods exist

So what God do you agree exists?

honesttalk21:
Not at all. The Qur’an confirms the original Torah and Gospel were revelations from Allah, but it explicitly states that later people altered them. I see you choose to ignore that truth but you yourself has confessed to it by labelling it minor human alterations.

Qur’an 2:79
So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands then say, this is from Allah, to exchange it for a small price.

Qur’an 3:78
Indeed, among them is a party who distort the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.

😅 Mangekyo Sharingan. It seems you are enthralled by such hence you won't use this two verses as proof of distortion. This actually prove the opposite. 😂

The first one clearly shows that people were writing scripture not that the scripture was falsified. If I wrote a surah and passed it off as a Quran, is the original Quran corrupted? Yes or No? 😂 While at it, do you know of the green book?😁

The second clearly states ’distorts with their tongue’. None of these suggest textual falsification but rather interpretational errors(distortion of the tongue).

My dear friend, you have no case. This just shows that when LLMs don't write for you, you are greatly disadvantaged😅.
Do you want to see my own arsenal to prove that your Quran affirms my scripture 😅? I did hint at them in our last discussion on the other thread but it seems the dog that will ’stroll away’ won't hear the hunter's whistle 🧐.

honesttalk21:
Not at all. The Qur’an confirms the original Torah and Gospel were revelations from Allah, but it explicitly states that later people altered them. I see you choose to ignore that truth but you yourself has confessed to it by labelling it minor human alterations.

Qur’an 2:79
So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands then say, this is from Allah, to exchange it for a small price.

Qur’an 3:78
Indeed, among them is a party who distort the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.

I got carried away that I didn't address this. Let's start from the basics.
1) Do you believe in a corrupted scripture? Pls, provide your answer. 🤔
2) Do you believe the Torah and Gospel are corrupted?

Everyone knows It's quite easy to claim a Porsche is not a Porsche when you have never seen a Porsche before. Also, is it possible for you to show us what the original looks like?🤔

Truthseeker10:
So what God do you agree exists?

Nature

Gabrielshow24:
I got carried away that I didn't address this. Let's start from the basics.
1) Do you believe in a corrupted scripture? Pls, provide your answer. 🤔
2) Do you believe the Torah and Gospel are corrupted?

Everyone knows It's quite easy to claim a Porsche is not a Porsche when you have never seen a Porsche before. Also, is it possible for you to show us what the original looks like?🤔

Correct your questions.

1. Do you believe scripture called the Torah and Injil (Gospel) were revealed to Moses and Jesus?

2. Do you believe people started making minor alterations to this in belief that the original theme remained the same?

Gabrielshow24:
😅 Mangekyo Sharingan. It seems you are enthralled by such hence you won't use this two verses as proof of distortion. This actually prove the opposite. 😂

The first one clearly shows that people were writing scripture not that the scripture was falsified. If I wrote a surah and passed it off as a Quran, is the original Quran corrupted? Yes or No? 😂 While at it, do you know of the green book?😁

The second clearly states ’distorts with their tongue’. None of these suggest textual falsification but rather interpretational errors(distortion of the tongue).

My dear friend, you have no case. This just shows that when LLMs don't write for you, you are greatly disadvantaged😅.
Do you want to see my own arsenal to prove that your Quran affirms my scripture 😅? I did hint at them in our last discussion on the other thread but it seems the dog that will ’stroll away’ won't hear the hunter's whistle 🧐.

I see you lack the capacity of thought to discern that those "who write the Scripture with their own hands then say, this is from Allah" are fabricating/lying. They deceive by their writing as you are trying to do here. They write of their own accord and lie it's from Allah.

The words of scripture don't just end on what they are written on. Distorting with tongue has implications. It leads to misrepresenting or altering religious texts or twisting the meaning of the words to suit one's own agenda which is different from the text meaning.

This method of yours wouldn't even work with under 5s or is this how you deceive your following at church? Sad!

FOLYKAZE:
Nature

What do you mean by nature?

Truthseeker10:
What do you mean by nature?

I mean if nature, the natural world including River, mountain, forests, sun, moon and stars, are God(s), then I agree they exist.

FOLYKAZE:
I mean if nature, the natural world including River, mountain, forests, sun, moon and stars, are God(s), then I agree they exist.

So you're not Even sure that they are God(s)?

Truthseeker10:
So you're not Even sure that they are God(s)?

You are making this unnecessarily long. You said if I believe in God and my respond is that it depends on what you call God. If you meant Abrahamic Gods, then nope I do not agree those Gods exist. You then asked what God do I agree exist, and my answer is Nature. There is no doubt to it that nature exist.

Now you worry is why do I refer to nature as God. Meaning what makes God a God, the simple answer is anything that is reverred, reverence, worship (acknowledging the worth) is God.

So to me, nature, just name is God and I agree it exist.

honesttalk21:
I see you lack the capacity of thought to discern that those "who write the Scripture with their own hands then say, this is from Allah" are fabricating/lying. They deceive by their writing as you are trying to do here. They write of their own accord and lie it's from Allah.

The words of scripture don't just end on what they are written on. Distorting with tongue has implications. It leads to misrepresenting or altering religious texts or twisting the meaning of the words to suit one's own agenda which is different from the text meaning.

This method of yours wouldn't even work with under 5s or is this how you deceive your following at church? Sad!

Once again, you didn't answer anything. If I write today a simple surah and passed it off as the Quran. Does it invalidate the original Quran? Yes or No? 😂

The rest of your write-up is moot and addresses nothing🤦🏾‍♂️. The italicized is very amusing but offers nothing substantial. It's your usual circumlocution. Pls, tell us more lies.

honesttalk21:
Correct your questions.

1. Do you believe scripture called the Torah and Injil (Gospel) were revealed to Moses and Jesus?

2. Do you believe people started making minor alterations to this in belief that the original theme remained the same?

All in a bid to deflect from the obvious 🧐. You can do so much as to answer my questions since you have reframed them for yourself. So chap, go on then and provide an answer.

FOLYKAZE:
You are making this unnecessarily long. You said if I believe in God and my respond is that it depends on what you call God. If you meant Abrahamic Gods, then nope I do not agree those Gods exist. You then asked what God do I agree exist, and my answer is Nature. There is no doubt to it that nature exist.

Now you worry is why do I refer to nature as God. Meaning what makes God a God, the simple answer is anything that is reverred, reverence, worship (acknowledging the worth) is God.

So to me, nature, just name is God and I agree it exist.

The statement in bold below is yours.
You used the word "if". So are you sure that the things you mentioned below are God(s)?

if nature, the natural world including River, mountain, forests, sun, moon and stars, are God(s), then I agree they exist.

Gabrielshow24:
The message is God's. He was the one that initiated it.

The wisdom of God, preserved his words that's why we have manuscripts. From this manuscripts we can reconstruct the entire gospel. The differences are during copying, perhaps a slightly different use of language, mistake with numbers among others. None of this affects the overall message.

Sure, men were involved hence from someone as yourself, it's your subjective bias in purview.

There was no wisdom of god involved. The act of making copies of scrolls was an ancient way of preservation.

You are the one whose subjective bias is showing. All we have is men acting, you are the one interpreting those actions as the wisdom of god.

LordReed:
LoLz. Wow just wow. Now I know not to take you seriously. This is the same you who wanted to use Greek to beat me over the head. Now you are just going to hand wave this away? Bwahahahahahaha!

You just dey sabi the guy

Truthseeker10:
The statement in bold below is yours.
You used the word "if". So are you sure that the things you mentioned below are God(s)?

if nature, the natural world including River, mountain, forests, sun, moon and stars, are God(s), then I agree they exist.

Nature and everything therein is God(s). This applies to those things I mentioned below

FOLYKAZE:
Nature and everything therein is God(s). This applies to those things I mentioned below

What about you, are you part of nature? Are you a God?

Gabrielshow24:
All in a bid to deflect from the obvious 🧐. You can do so much as to answer my questions since you have reframed them for yourself. So chap, go on then and provide an answer.

No. I put in the real scope you narrowly choose to ignore.

Gabrielshow24:
I got carried away that I didn't address this. Let's start from the basics.
1) Do you believe in a corrupted scripture? Pls, provide your answer. 🤔
2) Do you believe the Torah and Gospel are corrupted?

Everyone knows It's quite easy to claim a Porsche is not a Porsche when you have never seen a Porsche before. Also, is it possible for you to show us what the original looks like?🤔

Yes I believe earlier scripture got corrupted over time.

The originals are pure but what is in circulation today is corrupted by mankind.

The original is long lost and the inconsistency in what we have today shows this. You yourself has attested to what you call few scribal errors.

Gabrielshow24:
Once again, you didn't answer anything. If I write today a simple surah and passed it off as the Quran. Does it invalidate the original Quran? Yes or No? 😂

The rest of your write-up is moot and addresses nothing🤦🏾‍♂️. The italicized is very amusing but offers nothing substantial. It's your usual circumlocution. Pls, tell us more lies.

In your rush you forgot to italicize anything?

You cannot write a Surah today and pass it off as the original Quran. This challenge remains syccessfully untaken.

HappyPagan:
You just dey sabi the guy

I didn't know he'd chicken out in this case given the way he so strenuously used Greek to defend his position in another thread.

Truthseeker10:
What about you, are you part of nature? Are you a God?

Of course yes!

honesttalk21:
Interesting analogy.

Do you then imply that as the content of your textbooks have evolved over time so too will your Bible? Guess we should expect a new bible soon to fit the new era humans are getting to.

It seem you don't know that scripture is not like subject textbooks. Textbooks may describe observable facts but scripture conveys spiritual and moral truths, where even small textual variations can alter interpretation and guidance.

Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God.

honesttalk21:
Is your view on your scripture variability or minor errors a possible explanation for clergy officiating same gender marriages? Does that not negate God being the same yesterday, today and forever?

It is known that we have good parents who can properly explain a matter and put it in the perfect light
and we have bad parents who make things worse by spreading confusion and bad doctrines; same for good teachers and bad teachers.

This same thing too plagues the clergy as we have many who are more of agents and clergies of Satan rather of God.

FOLYKAZE:
Of course yes!

So as a God, can you tell us how the universe and life came into existence, why we are here on earth, why we die and also Define the concept of good and evil?

Truthseeker10:
So as a God, can you tell us how the universe and life came into existence, why we are here on earth, why we die and also Define the concept of good and evil?

How the universe came and life came into existence. What if I tell you I don't know?

Why are we here on earth? Who are the we? I am only conscious of my existence. Why am I here, I don't know.

Why we die, we are biology entities. At the point of death, why biological system gets broken and biological life as we know it ends.

What has the concept of good and evil got to do with cow been worshipped in India is the same beef in my plate? Whatever and whoever I rever has nothing to do with you or anyone.

FOLYKAZE:
The Bible convey a supposed universal truth, a form of distilled water that contain no dirt, which is understood by many Christians as objective, absolute, and unchanging truths. When interpolation, fabrication and distortion make their way into the bible, then it isn't a direction of God but men.

If you had been thinking well you would have seen that your statement is unintelligent as it is a universal truth that no man can with his natural body walk into the ocean to travel to another continent or plant laziness and reap billions. Yet we have people interpolating that with ₦50 you can win millions, so therefore universal truth is corrupted. Does this sound intelligent for you to say?

Dtruthspeaker:
Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God.



It is known that we have good parents who can properly explain a matter and put it in the perfect light
and we have bad parents who make things worse by spreading confusion and bad doctrines; same for good teachers and bad teachers.

This same thing too plagues the clergy as we have many who are more of agents and clergies of Satan rather of God.

In truth you know it's you that did by reducing the scripture to guide mankind from God to textbooks fraught with errors and mistakes? Or have you forgotten so quickly what you wrote?

Dtruthspeaker:
We have all had textbooks that are fraught with errors, to this I remember some biology, chemistry and physics textbooks having errors. I even remember the little jamb book called keypoints to biology or literature in English having errors.

Yet, did those errors take away the theme that if you put poison in your digestive system, you would have health issues in biology?

Or that sulphuric acid should not be placed on the skin else it would burn you in chemistry?

No.

This theme and the message is still clear and impeachable and they are still the foundation of all science today and tomorrow till the world ends

So, it is with the Bible. It's message and theme is still the same which is it is not wise to be an enemy of God.

Do you say these errors are not able to lead to terribly wrong conclusions?

FOLYKAZE:
How the universe came and life came into existence. What if I tell you I don't know?

Why are we here on earth? Who are the we? I am only conscious of my existence. Why am I here, I don't know.

You are a God and you don't know but you deserve to be revered and worshipped?

Why we die, we are biology entities. At the point of death, why biological system gets broken and biological life as we know it ends.

How do this biological entities create life in the first place?

What has the concept of good and evil got to do with cow been worshipped in India is the same beef in my plate? Whatever and whoever I rever has nothing to do with you or anyone.

I don't get....you don't agree that the concept of good and evil exists or you don't have a standard for it?

honesttalk21:
In truth you know it's you that did by reducing the scripture to guide mankind from God to textbooks fraught with errors and mistakes? Or have you forgotten so quickly what you wrote?

See reversal and refusal to take responsibility for your conduct.

Is the topic not about errors and mistakes? Yes. So I am on point.

But the record here shows you changed post and that when I pointed out that you changed post you then committed the fallacy of reversing the burden.

honesttalk21:
Do you say these errors are not able to lead to terribly wrong conclusions?

Yes. I say it does not to people who are intelligent enough to have passed primary school into Jss1

Truthseeker10:
You are a God and you don't know but you deserve to be revered and worshipped??

Imagine that he is a god of the Camry yet he does not know how the Camry was made.

Clearly, he does not know what it means to be a god or what God/God means