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MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, i only expressed my own views so if you are not convinced there's no need to continue arguing.
I believe we are going to Paradise where we will live forever as youths without growing old or thinking about death like God purposed for Adam and Eve in the beginning so if any woman will be willing to share you with another woman i wish you well with polygamy if it will work in the new world.

Cheers!

I am not against you expressing your Views, I am only pointing out the implications of Dwelling on that Bible verse that you quoted as the standard for (1) Eligibility for an office of an overseer (2) as a standard for Christian approved marriage status.

you quoted below as the standards

The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach. 1Timothy 3:2

If there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children who are not accused of debauchery or rebelliousness. Titus 1:6

Going strictly by these above requirements for Christian overseer eligibility, Then it means that those who are Not married are Not eligible as Overseers, which means that they must arrange to have a partner as a minimum requirement, any attempt to include the unmarried as overseer based strictly on this 1 Timothy 2 falls outside the requirement.
This exposed the fact that dwelling rigidly or expanding the elasticity of some concept without considering sorrounding situations that may also fall within the scope may be risky.

Imperfection has caused many today to face seriuos challenges in Marriage that is very serious and unresolved, many have chosen to live with that situation till end, some are barren and some endured abusive marriage that leads to stroke and untimely death

Marriage should not be a death warrant, Just like Jacob married Leah who gave him children to suceed him, while Rachel was barren for long, there should always be a way out, provided there is a Legit Challenge

Benbellamor:
you're a liar ... to suggest that a woman who bore a son for Moses divorce moses...where was it written? You are too lazy to provide a biblical verse that says that zipporah walked away from her marriage ......Zipporah never walk out of her marriage.... Zipporah and his son joined Moses even after Moses married the Cushite woman.

Read the verse here

KJV

Exodus 18
2 then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back, 3and her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land: 4and the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh: 5and Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God: 6and he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.
7And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him;

I stand to be corrected but this event in Exodus 18 takes place immediately after Moses and Zipporah had first left Midian to go to Egypt when it was well and good with them.

But obviously, after the foreskin episode on their way to Egypt in which she declared her hatred for him, in calling him a murderer aka "a bloody husband art thou to me" (which feels like when a wife says to "you are a useless husband" ).

And she said it 2 Times even!

Clearly, she did not want the marriage and in the presence of God, she obviously took the children and left and returned to her land and her father. And of course every husband hearing this great insult will always will let the wife go away which always means that he has sent her away.

And this is confirmed by the fact that God still prospered Moses, even after she left.

And secondly, you do not see Jethro accuse Moses of sending her away. Rather, we see Jethro trying to reconcile them in but clearly it did not work.

And in all of those times in between her leaving and the Ethiopian woman, Moses had no wife and was a lone.

And neither did you see Miriam accusing him of marrying a second wife but of marrying a foreigner

MaxInDHouse:
So polygamy was permitted before Christ but by the time Jesus walked the earth repentant Jews no longer practice polygamy that's why you can't hear of any disciple of Christ or first century Jews having more than one wife because they believed Malachi's message as a preparation for the way of holiness! Malachi 4:5

God bless you and may you have peace!

Wrong
Polygamy was not permitted but was the way of man's living since men had grown to love evil and do polygamy as Cain's grandson had shown them.

So, it is a case of that the whole world was engaged and practicing polygamy exactly how they practice paganism which no one says was permitted

Benbellamor:
Malachi is still under the old law? Old testament
So in light of That, Jacob dealt treacherously with Leah by further Marrying Rachel abi
Yet Jacob became Israel
You can see how your argument is so confusing....

How did Jacob deal treacherously with Leah when he never had any intention of marrying Leah but was deceived by Laban?

This is rubbish

Dtruthspeaker:
Stop talking rubbish.

Moses was in the presence of God, so common sense would have told you that if Moses's wife was tired of walking with him, he would have reported the matter to God and that God discussed the problem with him.

So, in the end that we see zipporah walk away from her marriage that should tell you that Moses got his divorce sanctioned directly by God Himself. And his remarriage also.

Compare with Abraham who took wives even after Sarah's death and we see that God never spoke to him again upto the point that Abraham noticed and then drove everyone of them away.

So don't bring your paganism and heatheness into Christianity

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god

https://www.nairaland.com/8040571/westerhof-finally-confesses-adultery-polygamy

You dey mind dem? It is clear Moses did not marry another wife while being married to Zipporah which is why God came to his defence, for he had done no wrong.

But pagans must always look for justification and looking for who to recruit instead of going to commit their crime by themselves

Benbellamor:
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Jesus gave condition for taking a second wife, that you must not divorce the first wife except she committed adultery

Now you are Lying against God!

For Where did Jesus say that you can marry a second wife, if you do not divorce the first wife?

And if you say
Exodus 21:10

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.

Means that you can take another wife, then it means you are that God Said it is on to steal an ox or sheep

Exodus 22:1

"If a man steal an ox, or sheep and..."

As I said, don't bring your paganism to Christianity because it is impossible for a man to take a second wife and not be guilty of adultery.

Dtruthspeaker:
But obviously, after the foreskin episode on their way to Egypt in which she declared her hatred for him, in calling him a murderer aka "a bloody husband art thou to me" (which feels like when a wife says to "you are a useless husband" ).

And she said it 2 Times even!

Clearly, she did not want the marriage and in the presence of God, she obviously took the children and left and returned to her land and her father.[/b]

Laughable!! you suggests that Zipporah does not want the Marriage, But to Bust your Lie, Zipporah Followed her father with her 2 sons to live with Moses...to even burSt your insinuation, the bible verse refered to Jethro Throughout as Moses father-inlaw (Not Former in-law)

Exodus 18: 5 Jethro, Moses’ father-in-law, together with Moses’ sons and wife, came to him in the wilderness, where he was camped near the mountain of God. 6 Jethro had sent word to him, “I, your father-in-law Jethro, am coming to you with your wife and her two sons.”
7 So Moses went out to meet his father-in-law and bowed down and kissed him. They greeted each other and then went into the tent.

(imagine Zipporah returning to Moses tent (house) finally.... how can a woman left her marriage only to come back to live in the house of the man he had left no be Juju be that?

and to confirm that Zipporah came back to live with her husband after she left due to protection of their children, this time around, only Zipporah's father jethro returned back, Jethro left Ziporrah and her children in the house of Moses. (read verse 27 of Exodus 18 below
The fact that Jethro did Not go back with Zipporah alone has shattered your childish insinuation read verse 27 of Exodus 18.
27 And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

Dtruthspeaker:


Polygamy was not permitted but was the way of man's living since men had grown to love evil and do polygamy as Cain's grandson had shown them.

So, it is a case of that the whole world was engaged and practicing polygamy exactly how they practice paganism which no one says was permitted

Trash
The word Polygamy does not exist in the Bible and therefore has no basis here....can you show a biblical verse that ever mentioned the word Polygamy? You can't

FayaBall:
You dey mind dem? It is clear Moses did not marry another wife while being married to Zipporah which is why God came to his defence, for he had done no wrong.

But pagans must always look for justification and looking for who to recruit instead of going to commit their crime by themselves

Answer this question
did Moses divorce? Yes or no.... provide a Bible verse to prove that Moses divorce or you forever be a false pastor ... Infact you're manufacturing what bible didn't report.... When Jethro took zipporah back to Moses... bible referred to Jethro as his "father in law" and not :"former Father inlaw" meaning that their marriage was intact ... On why zipporah left to his father's house was for the safety of the children. Simple that's why Moses came out to receive them (Zipporah and children) with joy and kisses the father in-law who took care of them
Jethro left zipporah in the house of Moses
Jethro didn't return back with Zipporah

No bible account report that zipporah left after that.
There's no report of divorce.... Unless the divorce forced by you out of curiosity.... innuendos and over-sabi out of confusion

Dtruthspeaker:
How did Jacob deal treacherously with Leah when he never had any intention of marrying Leah but was deceived by Laban?

Decieved kwa? Yet he had intercourse with her and produce children and then married Rachel again ....you keep manufacturing excuses ...no wonder you can't quote any bible verse to support your unproven claims.... anyway that's settled l don't need to go with you round the table over and over
do you even listen to yourself? We are not joking here....

Dtruthspeaker:
. Now you are Lying against God!

For Where did Jesus say that you can marry a second wife, if you do not divorce the first wife?

And if you say
Exodus 21:10

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.

Means that you can take another wife, then it means you are that God Said it is on to steal an ox or sheep

Exodus 22:1

"If a man steal an ox, or sheep and..."

As I said, don't bring your paganism to Christianity because it is impossible for a man to take a second wife and not be guilty of adultery.

.. laughable your reply is not adding up... anyway l have help you to reduce it because it's laughable..
give a biblical verse that states that Moses divorce Zipporah

Dtruthspeaker:
Exodus 21:10

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.


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Why are you running away from this verse up there?
Explain the above bible verse.....

You guys are funny. Where did you get the notion from that Moses married two wives?

3nity7:
You guys are funny. Where did you get the notion from that Moses married two wives?

I will show you with evidence

1):Moses married zipporah daughter of Jethro and had two sons Exod 2:21–22).
2):Moses also married the Cushite woman
Numbers 12:1-10 KJV
12 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
The used of word MARRIED WAS mentioned Twice

So with bible verse evidence show me it's not true
Innuendos will Not be accommodated here as l will help you to compress your innuendos without bible verse and help you hid it in order not to cause distraction here.... this thread is for serious minded with proof of bible verse Not your own thought thanks....oya give evidence against my submission

Benbellamor:
Why are you running away from this verse up there?
Explain the above bible verse.....

See this man. I'm too busy to come to Nairaland.

Have you not finished reading what happens when a married man starts seeing another woman?

https://www.nairaland.com/646015/husband-abandoned-another-woman-shes#8120450

https://www.nairaland.com/6210542/husband-suddenly-abandoned-me-children#95411710

So, do you imagine that God would allow this wife and children to suffer this evil and wickedness because she lawfully married her husband?

Or do you imagine that God would allow her to suffer because her husband seeks adultery?

You obviously do not know that God is good and that He will always support and provide for the innocent.

And that is why Malachi warns husbands that God will be their enemy when they do evil to their first wives.

Dtruthspeaker:
See this man. I'm too busy to come to Nairaland.

Have you not finished reading what happens when a married man starts seeing another woman?

https://www.nairaland.com/646015/husband-abandoned-another-woman-shes#8120450

https://www.nairaland.com/6210542/husband-suddenly-abandoned-me-children#95411710

So, do you imagine that God would allow this wife and children to suffer this evil and wickedness because she lawfully married her husband?

Or do you imagine that God would allow her to suffer because her husband seeks adultery?

You obviously do not know that God is good and that He will always support and provide for the innocent.

And that is why Malachi warns husbands that God will be their enemy when they do evil to their first wives.

I have warned you not to bring Inuendos here, your comment must be backed up by a bible verse which you have failed to do, we are not playing here....So I have help you to reduce and compress your out-of-context comment, it a distraction ...so when you are ready with bible bases argument I will respond and highlight it.

Dtruthspeaker:
See this man. I'm too busy to come to Nairaland.

Have you not finished reading what happens when a married man starts seeing another woman?

https://www.nairaland.com/646015/husband-abandoned-another-woman-shes#8120450

https://www.nairaland.com/6210542/husband-suddenly-abandoned-me-children#95411710

So, do you imagine that God would allow this wife and children to suffer this evil and wickedness because she lawfully married her husband?



And that is why [b]Malachi warns husbands that God will be their enemy when they do evil to their first wives.

This verse below answers your question.
Exodus 10:21 "If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife

Note: i will help compress your comments when you keep repeating questions that i have anwered ok? no time for playing here its a serious business

Benbellamor:
I will show you with evidence

1):Moses married zipporah daughter of Jethro and had two sons Exod 2:21–22).
2):Moses also married the Cushite woman
Numbers 12:1-10 KJV
12 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
The used of word MARRIED WAS mentioned Twice

So with bible verse evidence show me it's not true
Innuendos will Not be accommodated here as l will help you to compress your innuendos without bible verse and help you hid it in order not to cause distraction here.... this thread is for serious minded with proof of bible verse Not your own thought thanks....oya give evidence against my submission

I am surprised. I am not a Bible Scholar but I will consider myself a little knowledgeable in Biblical subjects than the average Christian, but never have I come across this and it's true. I was thinking Zipporah was the African woman. After I quoted you, I did my due diligence and I discovered that there is a school of thoughts that says he married an Egyptian woman before flying Egypt

Benbellamor:
This verse below answers your question.
Exodus 10:21 "If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife

Note: i will help compress your comments when you keep repeating questions that i have anwered ok? no time for playing here its a serious business

If you appreciate this then you ought to have asked yourself why men have failed to do this? And why they find it very difficult to do.

Meanwhile, when they were not cheating it was very very easy to do.

And this should have told you where The Law is for it is exactly as the peace and easy living a person has when he only takes his lawful salary as different from the hellish living a person has when they start stealing the company's money.

Benbellamor:
I have warned you not to bring Inuendos here, your comment must be backed up by a bible verse which you have failed to do, we are not playing here....So I have help you to reduce and compress your out-of-context comment, it a distraction ...so when you are ready with bible bases argument I will respond and highlight it.

I don't have time to quote bible verses when you and everyone already know the verses that I am referring to for they are even more popular than the bible itself.

Everyone knows Malachi especially this part.

"Ye have wearied the Lord with your words.

Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him?

When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them;"

And Malachi 3 is waiting for people like you

Malachi 3

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

And I always all you agents of polygamy, please explain how can a married man do polygamy without being guilty of adultery?

Benbellamor:
.. laughable your reply is not adding up... anyway l have help you to reduce it because it's laughable..
give a biblical verse that states that Moses divorce Zipporah

Yet you did not point where and how it does not add up. Clearly you cannot counter my reply.

Benbellamor:
Answer this question
did Moses divorce? Yes or no.... provide a Bible verse to prove that Moses divorce or you forever be a false pastor ... Infact you're manufacturing what bible didn't report.... When Jethro took zipporah back to Moses... bible referred to Jethro as his "father in law" and not :"former Father inlaw" meaning that their marriage was intact ... On why zipporah left to his father's house was for the safety of the children. Simple that's why Moses came out to receive them (Zipporah and children) with joy and kisses the father in-law who took care of them
Jethro left zipporah in the house of Moses
Jethro didn't return back with Zipporah

No bible account report that zipporah left after that.
There's no report of divorce.... Unless the divorce forced by you out of curiosity.... innuendos and over-sabi out of confusion

See hyper fear and struggle to hold on to your delusions

Before is not not father in law he would be called abi it should be ex father in law?

Now you are the one adding she left for the safety of the children when there is no report of that

Now you lie that Moses came out to receive Zipporah and Children with kisses when the Bible wrote it was Jethro he received with kisses!

So clearly you are the one manufacturing your own Bible oo, as e no dey there.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet you did not point where and how it does not add up. Clearly you cannot counter my reply.

Of course, he cannot. You need to see how he started fumbling and manufacturing wetin no dey bible.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong
Polygamy was not permitted but was the way of man's living since men had grown to love evil and do polygamy as Cain's grandson had shown them.
So, it is a case of that the whole world was engaged and practicing polygamy exactly how they practice paganism which no one says was permitted

Is incest approved by the mosaic law?
Who did Cain marry?

My own response:
God permitted incest because Adam's children must reproduce before having to fill the earth but after the earth has been filled with families God told his worshipers not to practice it anymore. But in God's law it's abominable for children born by the same mother to have sex.

Did God's word approve prostitution and adultery?
Was Judah's child with Tamar approved under the mosaic law?

My response:
God permitted it because Judah wanted to send the girl away since his two sons died while trying to raise children through Tamar. But in God's law it is forbidden for a man to have sex with his own daughter in-law.

So there are certain things God permitted until the law came therefore anyone who committed such ignorantly is not judged until the law forbids it.
Polygamy was permitted until the Christ told us that it wasn't what God purposed in the beginning!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet you did not point where and how it does not add up. Clearly you cannot counter my reply.

really? Ok let me dig it up
Here is what doesn't add up...you said " If you say"" below

And if you say
Exodus 21:10

Am l the one who wrote Exodus 21:10?

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.


So what's the connection with what you wrote below..

Means that you can take another wife, then it means you are that God Said it is on to steal an ox or sheep

Exodus 22:1

"If a man steal an ox, or sheep and..."

Pure distraction....

Dtruthspeaker:


I don't have time to quote bible verses when you and everyone already know the verses that I am referring to for they are even more popular than the bible itself.

Everyone knows Malachi especially this part.

"Ye have wearied the Lord with your words.

Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him?

When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them;"

And Malachi 3 is waiting for people like you

Malachi 3

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

And I always all you agents of polygamy, please explain [b]how can a married man do polygamy without being guilty of adultery?[/b]

l have warned you not to use words like polygamy.....it's not found in the bible
So I have help you to confiscate your illegal use of phrase...it's confusing your narrative