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Good day Muslim friend. I thought to bring this here so you too can think about these things.

Over the years, I have met many Muslims who have read the Bible so that encouraged me to bring this discussion here.

According to the bible, Adam and Eve did not procreate until after they sinned. Why was this so? would they have procreated had they not sinned?

To add to this, Jesus revealed that when humans resurrected or put off this body of sin, there won't be marriage anymore and they won't give birth -- those things would have passed with the world of sin.

From this, we can see that marriage and procreation will be said to be something that started when man sinned and will end when the man of sin is destroyed.

So, this makes us wonder in life, will there be sex in heaven? If God is as holy as we believe and he cannot see dirt, why would he allow something as dirty as sex in his kingdom.

In this Youtube video, our brothers took a scriptural dive to explain why childbirth will only exist when sin exists and will cease when sin ceases. kindly watch and share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

That's your own Christian belief. Allah's plan was to create man on earth and the means of populating the earth went on as planned.

The first man was created from earth. The first woman from the first man and others came from the unity of their semen! The exception was Jesus who had no father but only mother a direct opposite of how the first woman was created!

And whatever Allah made holy is holy to us and vice versa! Sex with the rightful spouse is permitted on earth! And as such it is permitted in paradise! Wine is forbidden on earth but permitted in paradise. The wine that doesn't intoxicate!

AntiChristian:
That's your own Christian belief. Allah's plan was to create man on earth and the means of populating the earth went on as planned.

The first man was created from earth. The first woman from the first man and others came from the unity of their semen! The exception was Jesus who had no father but only mother a direct opposite of how the first woman was created!

And whatever Allah made holy is holy to us and vice versa! Sex with the rightful spouse is permitted on earth! And as such it is permitted in paradise! Wine is forbidden on earth but permitted in paradise. The wine that doesn't intoxicate!

Sorry bro for asking you this, actually it is bothering my mind!

Is x x x with spouse permitted in Janah?

Do you think Allah made you like animals who have sex or like himself who doesn't have sex?

These are not just Christian beliefs, they're are fundamentals of life which touch every religion.

If you're made like animals then reproduction will be your purpose, but if you're made like Allah then your purpose will be to do those things Allah does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=_oAe5KHwSrJIR1eP

AntiChristian:
That's your own Christian belief. Allah's plan was to create man on earth and the means of populating the earth went on as planned.

The first man was created from earth. The first woman from the first man and others came from the unity of their semen! The exception was Jesus who had no father but only mother a direct opposite of how the first woman was created!

And whatever Allah made holy is holy to us and vice versa! Sex with the rightful spouse is permitted on earth! And as such it is permitted in paradise! Wine is forbidden on earth but permitted in paradise. The wine that doesn't intoxicate!

It's not. Sex is something humans started after they went against the plan of Allah.

When we get to Janah, Allah would have cleansed the whole existence of Sin, and everything that started with sin will end with it. So we'll not have sex anymore and won't even give birth anymore.

BewareOf419:
Sorry bro for asking you this, actually it is bothering my mind!

Is x x x with spouse permitted in Janah?

oridavid:
Do you think Allah made you like animals who have sex or like himself who doesn't have sex?

Allah does not make human like himself. Allah is not comparable to any of his creation! And yes, all animals whether complex or not have the ability to reproduce sexually or assexually! Only Allah does not need to have sons/offspring unlike the Christian God who needs someone to come over to the world to help save the people he created!

These are not just Christian beliefs, they're are fundamentals of life which touch every religion.

If you're made like animals then reproduction will be your purpose, but if you're made like Allah then your purpose will be to do those things Allah does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=_oAe5KHwSrJIR1eP

Once again, i only see ignorance and arrogance!

The Characteristics of living things is explained by the acronym "MR NIGER D" meaning any living thing should be able to:

Move,
Reproduce,
absorb Nutrients,
be Irritable,
Grow,
Excrete,
Respire
and Die.

Some even add Adaptability, homeostasis and Competition!

But Allah is far above being qualified with all these! He does not eat yet He lives! He does not Die as He is the eternal Absolute.

oridavid:
It's not. Sex is something humans started after they went against the plan of Allah.

What was that plan of Allah?

When we get to Janah, Allah would have cleansed the whole existence of Sin, and everything that started with sin will end with it. So we'll not have sex anymore and won't even give birth anymore.

Sex was not started with sin. Are you saying the Christian God created the two organs because of Sin?

What's the purpose of "Be fruitful and multiply"? Seems you sabi spill lies!

To be fruitful and multiply is in context of how you're made. The text says God made man like himself so fruitfulness and multiplication will be like God.

How does God multiply and bears fruit? It's through right doing. God does the right thing and loves us all and through that, he multiplies his kingdom.

We too must do right and love others, through that, we'll multiply our influence around people.

Animals are only fruitful and multiply through sex because they're animals and don't have capacity to be like God. You're not an animal. Your purpose is to be like God. Emulate him - his love and kindness. Do that with your neighbors.

AntiChristian:
What was that plan of Allah?

Sex was not started with sin. Are you saying the Christian God created the two organs because of Sin?

What's the purpose of "Be fruitful and multiply"? Seems you sabi spill lies!

Everything you mentioned is the reality of a sinful man. These are not the reality of a righteous man. And when man goes to Janah and dwell in the reality of God as it was in the beginning, all of these things you mentioned will cease to happen.

Yes, Allah does not reproduce, and since Allah made humans like himself so they're not supposed to reproduce. Remember, some angels came to earth to reproduce, so reproduction is something that happens by choice not by Allah's plan. Allah did not plan for angels to come to earth to reproduce, but they did by choice as man also did by choice.

If angels could come to earth to reproduce, that means anyone can actually reproduce if they want. Allah is God and does not need to.

But, humans chose to reproduce and refused to be like Allah and that's the sin that has become our reality.

When Allah restores us to the place of his reign, reproduction will cease and we'll be as Allah had intended in the beginning.

AntiChristian:
Allah does not make human like himself. Allah is not comparable to any of his creation! And yes, all animals whether complex or not have the ability to reproduce sexually or assexually! Only Allah does not need to have sons/offspring unlike the Christian God who needs someone to come over to the world to help save the people he created!



Once again, i only see ignorance and arrogance!

The Characteristics of living things is explained by the acronym "MR NIGER D" meaning any living thing should be able to:

Move,
Reproduce,
absorb Nutrients,
be Irritable,
Grow,
Excrete,
Respire
and Die.

Some even add Adaptability, homeostasis and Competition!

But Allah is far above being qualified with all these! He does not eat yet He lives! He does not Die as He is the eternal Absolute.

oridavid:
Everything you mentioned is the reality of a sinful man. These are not the reality of a righteous man. And when man goes to Janah and dwell in the reality of God as it was in the beginning, all of these things you mentioned will cease to happen.

So for man to move, breathe, eat, respond to stimulus, etc are caused by sin? So when in your Christian version of heaven you won't move again? Guy, i no fit abuse you make them no ban me! May Allah not make us moomoo!

Yes, Allah does not reproduce, and since Allah made humans like himself so they're not supposed to reproduce. Remember, some angels came to earth to reproduce, so reproduction is something that happens by choice not by Allah's plan. Allah did not plan for angels to come to earth to reproduce, but they did by choice as man also did by choice.

So which came first, the creation of the reprodcutive organs or the sin of Adam? Why did God give Adam the reproductive organ? I still don't get how you guys become this brainwashed and keep repeating error and fallacies hoping it becomes right. Our belief in Islam is that Angels don't eat nor reproduce at all. They obey Allah perfectly and never disobey. In Islam, reproduction as well as the rest of the MR NIGER D is by design and not by choice!

If angels could come to earth to reproduce, that means anyone can actually reproduce if they want. Allah is God and does not need to.

That's your Biblical angels. Not in Islam!

But, humans chose to reproduce and refused to be like Allah and that's the sin that has become our reality.

Humans were created with organs to reproduce.

When Allah restores us to the place of his reign, reproduction will cease and we'll be as Allah had intended in the beginning.

Nah, in the Islamic heaven copulation will exist as there's nothing immoral in having sex with your wife when she's clean on earth here! Our wives will be purified beautiful ladies that would never menstruate, urinate or pass faeces, no pregnancy, no form of impurities at all!

And everyone in Paradise will have whatever they want!

oridavid:
To be fruitful and multiply is in context of how you're made. The text says God made man like himself so fruitfulness and multiplication will be like God.

This is a lie from hell. How are we like God? Does God have flesh? Can God die? Can God create a partner for himself as when God created Adam, he created Eve in your Bible. There was no sin yet! Why didn't God create a partner for himself to keep him company? You sabi misinterpret texts!

How does God multiply and bears fruit? It's through right doing. God does the right thing and loves us all and through that, he multiplies his kingdom.

The context of "Be Fruitful and Multiply" is to make use of the organs and populate the earth! No other meaning! God does not need multiplication, addition, subtraction nor division!

We too must do right and love others, through that, we'll multiply our influence around people.

Whatever God does is not to be classified by us. In the Bible, God killed many people. He did caused many wars and deaths. Can we classify them as good or bad?

Animals are only fruitful and multiply through sex because they're animals and don't have capacity to be like God. You're not an animal. Your purpose is to be like God. Emulate him - his love and kindness. Do that with your neighbors.

Animals and humans are to populate the earth by reproduction. No one can be like God. My own purpose is to get admitted to paradise!

God is on His own! No one can be like Him.

Psalm 113:5
Who can be compared with the LORD our God, who is enthroned on high?

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you liken Me, or who is My equal?” asks the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

1 Samuel 2:2
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 7:22
How great You are, O Lord GOD! For there is none like You, and there is no God but You, according to everything we have heard with our own ears.

I understand how difficult it’s for you to accept these things, but I’m not trying to convince you. You can keep your belief if you so wish but if you want to unlearn and relearn, here’s a video for you. Thank you for your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=OBO0eupVvNwUlSsT

AntiChristian:
This is a lie from hell. How are we like God? Does God have flesh? Can God die? Can God create a partner for himself as when God created Adam, he created Eve in your Bible. There was no sin yet! Why didn't God create a partner for himself to keep him company? You sabi misinterpret texts!

The context of "Be Fruitful and Multiply" is to make use of the organs and populate the earth! No other meaning! God does not need multiplication, addition, subtraction nor division!

Whatever God does is not to be classified by us. In the Bible, God killed many people. He did caused many wars and deaths. Can we classify them as good or bad?

Animals and humans are to populate the earth by reproduction. No one can be like God. My own purpose is to get admitted to paradise!

God is on His own! No one can be like Him.

Psalm 113:5
Who can be compared with the LORD our God, who is enthroned on high?

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you liken Me, or who is My equal?” asks the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

1 Samuel 2:2
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 7:22
How great You are, O Lord GOD! For there is none like You, and there is no God but You, according to everything we have heard with our own ears.

oridavid:
I understand how difficult it’s for you to accept these things, but I’m not trying to convince you. You can keep your belief if you so wish but if you want to unlearn and relearn, here’s a video for you. Thank you for your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=OBO0eupVvNwUlSsT

Na me go waste my data on your false videos? Post your evidence here make iron am out one by one! If I watch video should I now do my own video to respond to you or why must I watch your video?

I have already proved that you are peddling falsehood. No one is trying to be God as no one can be like Him! It is spelt out boldly and that claim of your is false!

If you watch the video, you'll know how I think and you'll know how to articulate your answer to inform me If I'm wrong. But if you don't, you won't be able to inform me. The easier way to win is to first understand how the other person thinks.

AntiChristian:
Na me go waste my data on your false videos? Post your evidence here make iron am out one by one! If I watch video should I now do my own video to respond to you or why must I watch your video?

I have already proved that you are peddling falsehood. No one is trying to be God as no one can be like Him! It is spelt out boldly and that claim of your is false!

oridavid:
If you watch the video, you'll know how I think and you'll know how to articulate your answer to inform me If I'm wrong. But if you don't, you won't be able to inform me. The easier way to win is to first understand how the other person thinks.

I don't do videos. If you can't bring your facts here with references then let's call it a day here!

Put your thought process in words!

oridavid:
It's not. Sex is something humans started after they went against the plan of Allah.

When we get to Janah, Allah would have cleansed the whole existence of Sin, and everything that started with sin will end with it. So we'll not have sex anymore and won't even give birth anymore.

But Quran says otherwise that we'll be having x x in Janah!

That's unlikely. Janah is the domain of Allah. You can't be doing such thing there.

BewareOf419:
But Quran says otherwise that we'll be having x x in Janah!

oridavid:
That's unlikely. Janah is the domain of Allah. You can't be doing such thing there.

Maybe in your own paradise but in ours, that is what we'll be doing!

Lo! those who merit paradise this day are happily employed, They and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining; Theirs the fruit (of their good deeds) and theirs (all) that they ask; The word from a Merciful Lord (for them) is: Peace!
Quran 36:55-58.


Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight, Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire. (And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do, Reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. . . .
Quran 52:17-20



Anas narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "The believer shall be given in paradise such and such strength in intercourse." it was said: "O Messenger of Allah! And will he able to do that?" He said: "He will be given the strength of a hundred."
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 4:36:2536

BewareOf419:
But Quran says otherwise that we'll be having x x in Janah!

He doesn't know any better. His Muslim friends must have performed taqqiya and kitman on him. If not he would have known that there is no concept of ’original sin’ in Islam. Islam's paradise is different from christians heaven—He is definitely not well informed about Islam.

AntiChristian:
This is a lie from hell. How are we like God? Does God have flesh? Can God die? Can God create a partner for himself as when God created Adam, he created Eve in your Bible. There was no sin yet! Why didn't God create a partner for himself to keep him company? You sabi misinterpret texts!

The context of "Be Fruitful and Multiply" is to make use of the organs and populate the earth! No other meaning! God does not need multiplication, addition, subtraction nor division!

Whatever God does is not to be classified by us. In the Bible, God killed many people. He did caused many wars and deaths. Can we classify them as good or bad?

Animals and humans are to populate the earth by reproduction. No one can be like God. My own purpose is to get admitted to paradise!

God is on His own! No one can be like Him.

Psalm 113:5
Who can be compared with the LORD our God, who is enthroned on high?

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you liken Me, or who is My equal?” asks the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

1 Samuel 2:2
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 7:22
How great You are, O Lord GOD! For there is none like You, and there is no God but You, according to everything we have heard with our own ears.

Yet from your own sources we find Adam being made in his image🥱.

We also find Allah with hands, two eyes, two right hands, hen toed, curly hair 🥱. To say the least.

Tell such lies to the uninformed 👌.

This is not true my friend, you've married here on earth and have had sex. In heaven, you'll be more serious and focus on the collective whole.

The idea of marriage is selfish, you'll focus on your wife and children but in heaven, such selfish reality will end.

What's the use of going to heaven when you'll still be doing what you were doing here on earth? You'll still be giving your wife doggy and be fingering her.

I respect that you are simply quoting the Quran but I'll advise you to apply some reasoning so that you'll not lost yourself to your religion.

BewareOf419:
Maybe in your own paradise but in ours, that is what we'll be doing!

Lo! those who merit paradise this day are happily employed, They and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining; Theirs the fruit (of their good deeds) and theirs (all) that they ask; The word from a Merciful Lord (for them) is: Peace!
Quran 36:55-58.


Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight, Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire. (And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do, Reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. . . .
Quran 52:17-20



Anas narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "The believer shall be given in paradise such and such strength in intercourse." it was said: "O Messenger of Allah! And will he able to do that?" He said: "He will be given the strength of a hundred."
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 4:36:2536

oridavid:
This is not true my friend, you've married here on earth and have had sex. In heaven, you'll be more serious and focus on the collective whole.

The idea of marriage is selfish, you'll focus on your wife and children but in heaven, such selfish reality will end.

What's the use of going to heaven when you'll still be doing what you were doing here on earth? You'll still be giving your wife doggy and be fingering her.

I respect that you are simply quoting the Quran but I'll advise you to apply some reasoning so that you'll not lost yourself to your religion.

Which reasoning are you applying?

Gabrielshow24:
He doesn't know any better. His Muslim friends must have performed taqqiya and kitman on him. If not he would have known that there is no concept of ’original sin’ in Islam. Islam's paradise is different from christians heaven—He is definitely not well informed about Islam.

oridavid copy that!

Critical reasoning

BewareOf419:
Which reasoning are you applying?

oridavid:
Critical reasoning

I pray it won't lead to critical condition!

Critical reasoning does not lead to critical condition. It's lack of critical reasoning that leads to critical condition.

I would assume that even if we read the most righteous book like we all claim to do in our respective religions, we still need to critically analyze what we read to know if we're on the right path or lost. Lack of critical reasoning had made many lost.

BewareOf419:
I pray it won't lead to critical condition!

oridavid:
Critical reasoning does not lead to critical condition. It's lack of critical reasoning that leads to critical condition.

I would assume that even if we read the most righteous book like we all claim to do in our respective religions, we still need to critically analyze what we read to know if we're on the right path or lost. Lack of critical reasoning had made many lost.

I have critically analyzed what I read and have knowledge of the two most popular religious books on earth.

One promised everlasting life after death while the other talks about everlasting x x on getting to paradise. I asked myself is heaven like earth where daily unlimited x x do occur? That makes me to realize that I am on the right path that says paradise is a sacred place of God!

Yeah, heaven is a sacred place. Those who get to heaven are those who overcome the urges of their body and mind. They wouldn't need to have sex in heaven because they now live above these urges and they're in a world above the natural urges. You're spot on my friend

BewareOf419:
I have critically analyzed what I read and have knowledge of the two most popular religious books on earth.

One promised everlasting life after death while the other talks about everlasting x x on getting to paradise. I asked myself is heaven like earth where daily unlimited x x do occur? That makes me to realize that I am on the right path that says paradise is a sacred place of God!