₦airaland Forum

Ttalk:
They are coming t one by one. Anyone who tells me SE is seeking Biafra should first check himself whether he is alright.

Imagine same people rejected secession clause.

They rejected state ownership of VAT

They rejected tax bill

Now they are rejecting state police.

What is their fear exactly.

It is because they have been parasite on Nigeria, milking it resources but contribute nothing.

In terms of development they have no record, that's why they populate other regions with better infrastructure, yet their IGR is competing with war zone region.

Whether they like it or not, state police has come to stay

san4P:
Thank you for reminding us...

History is good because it helps the wise not to repeat the mistakes of the predecessors... State police is a bad idea at a bad time...

For Nigeria to progress... it has to be one united people with one constitution...

Brenbentondiaz:
Why are deveropers always jittery about anything that will empower regions. They're the ones wailing they want autonomy, they're the ones kicking against any move for autonomy in any form. They hate one Nigeria, but they still want a centralized system. They wailed that Lagos VAT is because of companies having their HQs there. Govt proposed VAT to be paid at the point of sales, they wailed and kicked against it. Wailing at this point is their default mode.

Dotherightthing:
I just knew peegs wills kick against state police because of fear of being kicked out of Lagos

State police can be established under a very tight framework that will prevent abuse.

The FG will takeover any state in crisis that the state police cannot handle.

helinues:
Power drunk governors would abuse state police. Regional policing is still fair

Ttalk:
Where is the logic in the bolded.

Why didn't you clamour for the removal of immunity clause instead of going against creation of state police?

People are seeing through SE shenanigans and your adamant support of centralized government. How do we operate centralized government with a federal constitution?

What is your fear about true federalism that dictates the subregions are autonomous and not tied to the apron of centralized government?

What has the centralized system offered Nigeria after 60 years?

DMerciful:
Gowon and Awolowo killed regionalism for good.

If you're mentioning regions because of Lagos, Lagos will be in West West as it has been before independence

jpphilips:
During the Aburi Conference, Ojukwu accused the then IGP Salem of negligence, which led to the death of Igbos up North in a pogrom that claimed around 30,000 lives, a bitter precursor to the civil war.
In his Defence, the IGP placed the blame on NAP, the Northern Authority police, the then regional police in the North, according to Salem, the National police did all it could but the regional police continued with the killings, in other to forestall any re-occurance, Ojukwu proposed the centralization of the armed forces, something in practice till date, first implemented in the Decree 8 of 1967.

By centralizing the armed forces, the Federal police became the sole law enforcer in the land, ever since, there has not been a repeat of 1966 pogrom, fast forward today, our irresponsible and ignorant politicians for their selfish reasons want to return us to pre-1966, it wasnt just the igbo pogrom that suffered under NAP, in the western region, after the 1964 elections, Awolowo lost seat majority to Akintola who was backed by the federal might, on the other hand, Awolowo was backed by the WRNAP the then western regional police, this misgivings gave rise to two years of bitter clashes and killings that forced the central government to carve out the Mid-western region from the Western region, through out the short period we practiced Regional police, nothing good came out of it, why would someone in his right senses today think state police will solve any problem, despite our ethnic biases?

Every African country with tribal sentiments breaks apart as soon as they establish state police, the case of the Tigray region and South Sudan comes to mind, even if we can't learn from our own experience, why can't we learn from other people's experience?
Imagine a lagos state dominated by Yoruba state police, how do you expect an igbo man to get justice in Lagos under such arrangement? How do you expect igbos to feel safe when the Yoruba-dominated state police actors felt slighted that an igbo man has won a state or federal election in Lagos state?

A wise man once said, “The surest way to solve a crisis is never to create it.”
State police will be the final nail in the coffin of this nation.

Brenbentondiaz:
Why are deveropers always jittery about anything that will empower regions. They're the ones wailing they want autonomy, they're the ones kicking against any move for autonomy in any form. They hate one Nigeria, but they still want a centralized system. They wailed that Lagos VAT is because of companies having their HQs there. Govt proposed VAT to be paid at the point of sales, they wailed and kicked against it. Wailing at this point is their default mode.

helinues:
Power drunk governors would abuse state police. Regional policing is still fair

Smartcitizen:
Most of you are too blind to see and that's why you people always end in regret every time.

This is how many of you were running their mouths when there was this argument for the creation of local government independent election commission and today, how well is that across all the states?

My only question for most of you championing this STATE POLICE CREATION is;


CAN YOU MENTION ANY COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD PRACTICING STATE POLICE AND STATE GOVERNORS POSSESS IMMUNITY?

Just mention one country?

You think that white people are not intelligent.

nairalanda1:
Good post

Also, let's be honest, most states won't be able to fund the state police properly

Take zamfara. They need a well equiped state police with special forces and even something approaching military level because banditry. Can they afford it?

jpphilips:
The funding is the least of the issues, its who we are as a people, have you been to the south east lately? imagine a northern or Yoruba trader in the south east, how on earth will he get justice from a state sponsored igbo dominated outfit like Ocha Brigade?
Its impossible, so see it this way, creating law enforcement that will be sectional in law enforcement is a defeated purpose?
Some folks breathing through the @rses of politicians will tell you, it will solve regional insecurity, thats a huge joke, look at herdsmen crisis the way we have politicised, tribalised the conflict even at central command level, do you expect an average hausa fellow heading Borno state police not to litter the place with his hausa brothers? do you expect him to send his Hausa brothers to die for the Kanuri boko haram?
The only reason CJTF succeeded was because they were under a centralized military and they recruited mostly from the Kanuris, truth is: Tribalism is a very big issue in this country and anyone that chooses to ignore it with a state police proposal is super ignorant.

jpphilips:
State police didnt guarantee our security in the 60's, it led to a war, it wont guarantee it today because the sectional issues of the 60's still live with us today.
You cant be hoping that a Volvo will fly. Most people making the state police proposal didnt live through the 60's or simply just pushing their selfish interest forward. The same security the Western region also hoped for?

DMerciful:
One person is they? What is holding Tinubu from implementing state police when almost all the governors have agreed?

oyatz:
Because, it would require constitutional ammendments

jpphilips:
The funding is the least of the issues, its who we are as a people, have you been to the south east lately? imagine a northern or Yoruba trader in the south east, how on earth will he get justice from a state sponsored igbo dominated outfit like Ocha Brigade?
Its impossible, so see it this way, creating law enforcement that will be sectional in law enforcement is a defeated purpose?
Some folks breathing through the @rses of politicians will tell you, it will solve regional insecurity, thats a huge joke, look at herdsmen crisis the way we have politicised, tribalised the conflict even at central command level, do you expect an average hausa fellow heading Borno state police not to litter the place with his hausa brothers? do you expect him to send his Hausa brothers to die for the Kanuri boko haram?
The only reason CJTF succeeded was because they were under a centralized military and they recruited mostly from the Kanuris, truth is: Tribalism is a very big issue in this country and anyone that chooses to ignore it with a state police proposal is super ignorant.

oyatz:
It is NOT compulsory for all States to have States POLICE and even if they have State Police, it may just be dispatched to certain areas as a SPECIAL SECURITY outfit to argument the effort of the Federal Police, without necessarily been in all parts of the State ,all the time

DMerciful:
Did the new old national anthem implemented in 3 days not require act of national assembly? What about suspending Fubara?

nairalanda1:
All of a sudden we have gone from state police that is statewide to 'special force to augument the federal police'

You state police people should make up your mind, what is it you want?

As for me, most, if not all states cannot fund a state police. I am not attacking your positions or saying that you are so wrong, I am just stating a fact. To maintain a state police, most states are going to have to tax the citizens of the state that are not taxed...and most of you guys don't like that.

I mean, look at Zamfara....even if we use your idea....the state police still has to be well equipped....because bandits and firepower....and at the end of the day, where are we gonna get the money? From a state that is as broke as 34 of the 36 states? From a federal government whose federal police use ancient guns and weaponry because funding issues ?

Even our federal police, government has issues funding it properly, ya think there will be money enough for state police?

Let's face reality o. State police on paper is a good idea, but in the Nigerian setting, where we all rely on limited money from oil, and where most states don't want to do proper igr, it's basically unrealistic. Unless you want guys in khaki shorts and shirts wielding sticks and batons like the old NA Police.

oyatz:
All over most of the world, Policing is a local affairs.
Immunity of State Governors have nothing to do with State Police.

State Police don't have absolute powers,as you guys are assuming.

It is NOT compulsory, for all States to have State Police.

States that don't want State Police can still rely solely on Federal Police.

oyatz:
States that afford State Police should have it.
Even now, are the current FG Police everywhere? The answer is CAPITAL NO.
There are many States in Nigeria that Police Stations are NOT available in rural areas.

The FG maintain a special Road Police called FRSC, are they everywhere?

nairalanda1:
If we carry your plan to fruition, only Lagos can afford state police. Barely. Most states can't . Make we no lie to ourselves.

oyatz:
Why crying more than the bereaved?

Let the States that can't afford it reject it.

States can afford State Universities, Hospitals, High courts etc but can't afford State Police? Even private residents form vigilantes to secure their Estates ,which on many occasions prevent thefts.

oyatz:
You obviously don't know the differences between constitutional ammendments and ordinary acts of National Assembly.

nairalanda1:
Well, you do have an active imagination, old boy.



Which means about 34 states can't afford it, and i wonder why that fact makes you so angry?



The same state universities that are mostly subpar, poorly funded, and cannot afford to raise salaries. The hospitals that are for the most part poorly equipped and have no advanced equipment, and that many nigerians are running away from if they can afford to do so?

And is vigilante as strong as police.? LOL.

Give it up.

Difrent:
Lawyers and courts don finish for Nigeria

Abi you think say state police will mean no more Federal laws in the states
Or no more Federal high court?
A Yoruba trader in Enugu will simply go to a federal court that will protect them

You no get any point

Shouldn't igboland be the ones championing this cause cos of the insecurity in the region?

Oh I've forgotten they don't believe there's insecurity in the east, they all believe it's the FG that's creating insecurity even though it's Son Ekpa and Nnamdi kanu that's directing their lives from prison

oyatz:
You haven't proved anything wrong with the State Police apart from the unfounded fear that non-indigenes will not get Justice from it.
State Police can't detain anyone beyond 48hrs and if one is not satisfied, he can appeal the handling of the case to Federal Police.

How do non-indigenes get Justice from Sthe tate Judiciary?

obawinner:
For arguments sake and it is not like your opinion will count. you can just gnash your teeth here on nl as part of the constitutional freedom of speech.

Go and hold your state government responsible, the tax law makes adequate provision for more funds.
Federal government has seceded more funds to your state government, instead of you-all to police and elect better leadership and put pressure on them, you are fixated on other things.

South West already has a regional police.
North has a regional police.

Go and hold state and regional government responsible, that will be much easier than praying for progressive policies to stop.

nairalanda1:
The problem is, even if we hold them responsible, even if there was no corruption..most states are not making enough money to pay for state police that would be effective.

It's bitter truth, but truth