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FOLYKAZE:
How the universe came and life came into existence. What if I tell you I don't know?

Why are we here on earth? Who are the we? I am only conscious of my existence. Why am I here, I don't know.

Why we die, we are biology entities. At the point of death, why biological system gets broken and biological life as we know it ends.

So clearly you are not the god over any of these things.

Which means that the God Who is God is still out there.

HappyPagan:
You just dey sabi the guy

muskee what happened? You no go church go find God?

Truthseeker10:
You are a God and you don't know but you deserve to be revered and worshipped?

Who told you God must know something before it can be worshipped?

I have told you what makes God a God. It is reverence, nothing more. And I put much value to myself. This is called self-esteem, self importance and gratification.

The knowledge of big bang and abiogenesis is a subject of science. Pick up your textbook and seek knowledge, not looking for a God to provide you with rhetorics.

Truthseeker10:
How do this biological entities create life in the first place?

I am not ready to go into that circus with you.

Pick up biology textbook and read about abiogenesis.

Truthseeker10:
I don't get....you don't agree that the concept of good and evil exists or you don't have a standard for it?

You get, don't lie. You only want to trap me into your endless circus.

FOLYKAZE:
Who told you God must know something before it can be worshipped?

I have told you what makes God a God. It is reverence, nothing more. And I put much value to myself. This is called self-esteem, self importance and gratification...

So as people worship Messi, Isaac Newton, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, it is because they know nothing? Right? And they are just reverencing them for nothing, abi?

FOLYKAZE:
Who told you God must know something before it can be worshipped?

I have told you what makes God a God. It is reverence, nothing more. And I put much value to myself. This is called self-esteem, self importance and gratification.

The knowledge of big bang and abiogenesis is a subject of science. Pick up your textbook and seek knowledge, not looking for a God to provide you with rhetorics.

Are you saying that the bolded above has the answers to the questions you claim not to know?

am not ready to go into that circus with you.

Pick up biology textbook and read about abiogenesis

Do you mean that science tell us a fact about how life originated through Abiogenesis?

You get, don't lie. You only want to trap me into your endless circus.

Do you agree that good and evil exists? What is the standard for Good and evil?

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that the bolded above has the answers to the questions you claim not to know?



Do you mean that science tell us a fact about how life originated through Abiogenesis?







Do you agree that good and evil exists? What is the standard for Good and evil?

You want to know about the origin of the universe go and get your science textbook on the subject big bang.

You want to know about the origin of life, abiogenesis will do.

On the subject of what is good or bad, then study the philosophy of morality....


All these marabout has nothing to do with the thread. Thanks for your time all the while

FOLYKAZE:
You want to know about the origin of the universe go and get your science textbook on the subject big bang.

You want to know about the origin of life, abiogenesis will do.

You mean these sources have the answers to what you claim not to know about?

On the subject of what is good or bad, then study the philosophy of morality....


All these marabout has nothing to do with the thread. Thanks for your time all the while

So as a God, you don't have a standard or definition for good and evil?

Truthseeker10:
You mean these sources have the answers to what you claim not to know about?


So as a God, you don't have a standard or definition for good and evil?

Cheers 🍷🍷🍷

honesttalk21:
No. I put in the real scope you narrowly choose to ignore.

Yes I believe earlier scripture got corrupted over time.

The originals are pure but what is in circulation today is corrupted by mankind.

The original is long lost and the inconsistency in what we have today shows this. You yourself has attested to what you call few scribal errors.

do you believe in a corrupted scripture? Or will you believe in a corrupted scripture?

FOLYKAZE:
Cheers 🍷🍷🍷

😂😂😂 A self acclaimed God in the mud.

honesttalk21:
In your rush you forgot to italicize anything?

You cannot write a Surah today and pass it off as the original Quran. This challenge remains syccessfully untaken.

My bad, i was meant to italicize your last paragraph. It's all good.


Now, let me get this clear🤔. From your own assertion now. You have posited that whether or not I write a surah, it won't change the ’divine style’ of the Quran🤨—invariably it doesn't affect the Quran😁.

Then why did you assert earlier that because ’some wrote scripture’ it automatically nullified the Torah and the Gospel?

Gabrielshow24:
My bad, i was meant to italicize your last paragraph. It's all good.


Now, let me get this clear🤔. From your own assertion now. You have posited that whether or not I write a surah, it won't change the ’divine style’ of the Quran🤨—invariably it doesn't affect the Quran😁.

Then why did you assert earlier that because ’some wrote scripture’ it automatically nullified the Torah and the Gospel?

You don't understand that what others wrote has replaced the original? Really?

Dtruthspeaker:
See reversal and refusal to take responsibility for your conduct.

Is the topic not about errors and mistakes? Yes. So I am on point.

But the record here shows you changed post and that when I pointed out that you changed post you then committed the fallacy of reversing the burden.



Yes. I say it does not to people who are intelligent enough to have passed primary school into Jss1

What did I reverse? Who made the analogy likening scripture to textbooks on certain topics?

What post did I change? This is my first post that you responded to:

honesttalk21:
Interesting that you say "we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme".
Seriously this doesn't question the authenticity of what is contained?

You agree that the he Bible is not an error-free dictated book, but a divinely guided library of texts with errors whether minor or major?

How do you claim its sanctity and infallibility in terms of its enduring message of faith and salvation despite the absence of absolute perfection of every word?

I expect nothing less than your characteristic accusatory mockery despite the seriousness of this matter.

and you responded to it with

Dtruthspeaker:
We have all had textbooks that are fraught with errors, to this I remember some biology, chemistry and physics textbooks having errors. I even remember the little jamb book called keypoints to biology or literature in English having errors.

Yet, did those errors take away the theme that if you put poison in your digestive system, you would have health issues in biology?

Or that sulphuric acid should not be placed on the skin else it would burn you in chemistry?

No.

This theme and the message is still clear and impeachable and they are still the foundation of all science today and tomorrow till the world ends

So, it is with the Bible. It's message and theme is still the same which is it is not wise to be an enemy of God.

Could it be that you are in a few other conversations?

honesttalk21:
You don't understand that what others wrote has replaced the original? Really?

Replaced? Indeed. How did this replacement come about? 🤔

So, someone wrote a different Torah and the Gospel then logistically replaced every single ’original Torah and gospel’ from the whole world🤨. How is this feasible in the ancient world?

May I ask, has the green book replaced the Quran? At least it was written by some and claimed to be the words of Allah, we even find references to it in your early sources. Let's use your logic on your own sources.

honesttalk21:
What did I reverse? Who made the analogy likening scripture to textbooks on certain topics?

What post did I change? This is my first post that you responded to:

and you responded to it with

Could it be that you are in a few other conversations?

How come you did not see the post where I pointed out that you changed post?

See it below

honesttalk21:
Interesting analogy.

Do you then imply that as the content of your textbooks have evolved over time so too will your Bible? Guess we should expect a new bible soon to fit the new era humans are getting to.

It seem you don't know that scripture is not like subject textbooks. Textbooks may describe observable facts but scripture conveys spiritual and moral truths, where even small textual variations can alter interpretation and guidance.

Is your view on your scripture variability or minor errors a possible explanation for clergy officiating same gender marriages? Does that not negate God being the same yesterday, today and forever?

And then I pointed out that

"Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God."

Dtruthspeaker:
How come you did not see the post where I pointed out that you changed post?

See it below


And then I pointed out that

"Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God."

Are you simultaneously speaking opposites?

The science textbooks have changed due to growing understanding of things. Will you say same about your religious text? Or is it now the believers understanding of the text or something far worse?

How many times has the model of the atom been revised? Is this the same for the scripture?

honesttalk21:
Are you simultaneously speaking opposites?

The science textbooks have changed due to growing understanding of things. Will you say same about your religious text? Or is it now the believers understanding of the text or something far worse?

How many times has the model of the atom been revised? Is this the same for the scripture?

The themes of science have never changed in that first it is always man who is doing the observing. And 2, man is always studying things he sees in this world no matter what name he chooses to call those things whether atom, protons, neutrons, etc.

It is still the same rules of alimentary canal in biology and the properties of solid, liquid and gases in chemistry, and the speed of a body at rest cannot still be measured in physics.

Same thing for the Bible's themes the bad people have everything to fear whilst the God fearing are confident.

Dtruthspeaker:
The themes of science have never changed in that first it is always man who is doing the observing. And 2, man is always studying things he sees in this world no matter what name he chooses to call those things whether atom, protons, neutrons, etc.

It is still the same rules of alimentary canal in biology and the properties of solid, liquid and gases in chemistry, and the speed of a body at rest cannot still be measured in physics.

Same thing for the Bible's themes the bad people have everything to fear whilst the God fearing are confident.

Do these observations lead to changes in text presentation in books? Is this the same principle used in your scripture? We should expect a revised edition before this year runs out and how many more in years to come?

Science and textbooks evolve to refine human understanding but the Qur’an remains constant, not because it ignores creation, but because it points beyond changing descriptions to the eternal Source.

honesttalk21:
Do these observations lead to changes in text presentation in books? Is this the same principle used in your scripture? We should expect a revised edition before this year runs out and how many more in years to come?

Science and textbooks evolve to refine human understanding but the Qur’an remains constant, ¹not because it ignores creation, but because it points beyond changing descriptions to the eternal Source.²

What a lie🥱!

Taqqiya and kitman in action🤣.
Can you exemplify how this Quran remained constant? Hopefully this time you don't rely too much on AIs 'cause it seems you guys don't know your own sources🤧.

Also, can you explain how in the Eternal source, Mother of the book, we find Mo speaking🤨? Apart from this ludicrous idea that Allah seems to pay attention, eons ago on a ’small ideology’ in a ’small town’—historically non-existent— about a small ’man’. Always conveniently bailing him out, never averting such ’actions’ but supporting the protagonist, Mo, in his mundane desires🥱.

honesttalk21:
Do these observations lead to changes in text presentation in books? Is this the same principle used in your scripture? We should expect a revised edition before this year runs out and how many more in years to come?

Science and textbooks evolve to refine human understanding but the Qur’an remains constant, not because it ignores creation, but because it points beyond changing descriptions to the eternal Source.

As you can see biology texts always point out that biology and science start with observation and all the other themes I pointed out.

So every and any revision is built on these themes.

And as you can see even in these Christianity section, the themes of the bible have never changed and every person who proffers what amounts to be a change is vehemently opposed and challenged

Dtruthspeaker:
As you can see biology texts always point out that biology and science start with observation and all the other themes I pointed out.

So every and any revision is built on these themes.

And as you can see even in these Christianity section, the themes of the bible have never changed and every person who proffers what amounts to be a change is vehemently opposed and challenged

Interesting view although you do not understand that human understanding of what God allegedly says is what may change not what Is said.

Comparing the constancy of religious text to science textbooks is a category mistake.p
Provisional human knowledge may change but the timelessness of divine revelation doesn't.

honesttalk21:
Interesting view although you do not understand that human understanding of what God allegedly says is what may change not what Is said.

Comparing the constancy of religious text to science textbooks is a category mistake.p
Provisional human knowledge may change but the timelessness of divine revelation doesn't.

Like biology is not based on human understanding so also is the bible not based on human understanding.

As with biology humans are the ones trying to catch up and understand what it is in biology, so also is it with the Bible.

And that position of things has never changed.

But because humans have been given the gift of understanding things they therefore have made the mistake of thinking that the world belongs to them and that they are in control of it

Dtruthspeaker:
Like biology is not based on human understanding so also is the bible not based on human understanding.

As with biology humans are the ones trying to catch up and understand what it is in biology, so also is it with the Bible.

And that position of things has never changed.

But because humans have been given the gift of understanding things they therefore have made the mistake of thinking that the world belongs to them and that they are in control of it

You should then clarify if your Bible is a human theory of life that needs constant updates. This is simply because Biology is built on human observation, so of course its textbooks keep changing as people discover more.

Does your Bible content change based on human understanding or the message is constant?

honesttalk21:
You should then clarify if your Bible is a human theory of life that needs constant updates. This is simply because Biology is built on human observation, so of course its textbooks keep changing as people discover more.

Does your Bible content change based on human understanding or the message is constant?

Look at the English text books and the various textbooks being used today, they are filled with grammatical errors and bad speech just like the teachers who teach and write those textbooks.

And now in the whole of Nigeria even in Banana island you would hear people speaking bad English with phonetics confidently.

Compared to the our Brighter Grammar and Intensive English of the past in which many illiterates even now became literates because they studied and learnt the proper flow.

So, like Brighter Grammar and Intensive English which lasted years giving birth to well spoken and educated children and adults, and therefore did not need update, the bible, especially the KJV does not need any update as it is complete both in the past till when Christ comes. And most especially as it even predicted even back then how people were going to behave today, which we have all seen today to be true.

And there isn't anything that humans are going to do which the bible has already fore said that we should expect.

honesttalk21:
You should then clarify if your Bible is a human theory of life that needs constant updates. This is simply because Biology is built on human observation, so of course its textbooks keep changing as people discover more.

Does your Bible content change based on human understanding or the message is constant?

Now you are repeating yourself for I answered all these until we landed at my response before this

Image123:
You don't need knowledge and understanding, that sent some folks out of Eden. It's useless without faith, repentance and life.

Really? I guess this describes your own attitude.

There are indeed many who would prefer being naked ignorant slaves in Eden, while some would rather acquire knowledge and understanding and rule and subdue and multiply and be blessed.

budaatum:
Really? I guess this describes your own attitude.

There are indeed many who would prefer being naked ignorant slaves in Eden, while some would rather acquire knowledge and understanding and rule and subdue and multiply and be blessed.

i was speaking specifically to Reed, that is why i used YOU, not WE. "You don't need knowledge and understanding." Position and timing make a huge difference. People put the cart before the horse and get into unnecessary issues. BTW, Adam and Eve were by no means ignorant or limited to Eden. Ignorant people don't run and maintain utopia of that size, neither can they be commanded to replicate or replenish it all over the earth. Sure, everyone is ignorant in some way, but not what you imply. For example, Dangote is likely ignorant and lacking the knowledge to pass computer certification exams, but he is very knowledgeable on how to employ people with that knowledge.
Chasing knowledge is useless without faith, repentance and life. The tree of life is most important to get, this should not even be up for debate, but of course.

Image123:
"You don't need knowledge and understanding.".

I can only hope that when "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters", it is understood that God was doing research and acquiring knowledge so he can commence the creating we read he did. And that without knowledge and understanding, even God would not have had the faith that there would be light if he said "let there be light".

budaatum:
I can only hope that when "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters", it is understood that God was doing research and acquiring knowledge so he can commence the creating we read he did. And that without knowledge and understanding, even God would not have had the faith that there would be light if he said "let there be light".

i believe that i just explained that i was speaking specifically to Reed, that is why i used YOU, not WE?