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A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

bamvik:
➜A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire. Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on. Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football. Just praises and hymns

So, you have been to this particular heaven and to this particular hell to confirm this yourself, abi?

bamvik:
A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

Question:
What if this picture of "heaven and hell" you have is FALSE?

Second question:
By pure logic, based on what you think is right, what should the actual heaven and hell be like? What should go on there? If you were in the place to make decisions, what changes would you make?

bamvik:
A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

everyone has sinned and deserve hell but God offer us mercy in Jesus Christ. Just believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
Your thought about heaven is poor. Mind you it is not just about going to heaven but having everlasting life through Jesus.

bamvik:
A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

You need a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses.

Heaven and Hell are real but not what's taught in the churches of Christendom, Heaven is where God dwells with angels so humans (flesh and blood) have no business with heaven, and as for Hell it's just the common grave of all dead be it good or evil, the only difference is while the good will be remembered for their good works {Job 14:13-15} and called back to live forever on a paradise earth {Psalms 37:29} the evildoers will be forgotten never to come and disturb the peace of mankind again! Psalms 9:17

I HAVE SEARCHED THE OLD TESTAMENT .... I DIDNT SEE HEAVEN OR HELL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!1
GOD ONLY PROMISED THE JEWS, A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY, NOT HEAVEN!!!1

thisisit:
I HAVE SEARCHED THE OLD TESTAMENT .... I DIDNT SEE HEAVEN OR HELL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!1
GOD ONLY PROMISED THE JEWS, A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY, NOT HEAVEN!!!1

How about the New Testament?
Do you believe the stuff in that area?

PulsingPurple:
How about the New Testament?
Do you believe the stuff in that area?

Imagine you are in heaven and your family member, say your mother or your sister is in hell, long would you be comfortable in that heaven. Would you just ignore them totally?

bamvik:
A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

All these rants is because you see that you are not qualified to be in "heaven" so you are just bad-mouthing it

lordm:
Imagine you are in heaven and your family member, say your mother or your sister is in hell, long would you be comfortable in that heaven. Would you just ignore them totally?

Did you see Lot miss his wife? Or did you see Noah miss his brothers and sisters and neighbours?

No!

Even here, we already tell them "go to hell", so how do you imagine that we would even remember them, when The Lord grants our prayers and permanently separates us from them?

You obviously have not heard that we are praying for God to come so that all of them would be taking away to their punishments.

thisisit:
I HAVE SEARCHED THE OLD TESTAMENT .... I DIDNT SEE HEAVEN OR HELL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!1
GOD ONLY PROMISED THE JEWS, A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY, NOT HEAVEN!!!1

You are correct on the heaven part for heaven is already with us because earth and heaven work together. And the Bible tells us that this heaven and earth will be extinguished and new ones would be brought to replace them.

So it is the new heaven and earth that the qualified like Job, Daniel, Noah, Paul, the disciples and all of us who walk in the way of God shall get

However, since those who know that they deserve to be punished now started deceiving themselves so that they could sleep at night, God then decided to expressly stated what was already in all our hearts which is that they must all be superbly and justly punished for all their wickedness.

And that is not just is enough that they died? No!

They are to suffer each jolt and pain and suffering they have given others.

Which is why God came in Mathew and started declaring what we already have in our minds that there is a place of punishment for the very bad and the very very bad

PulsingPurple:
How about the New Testament?
Do you believe the stuff in that area?

Psalms 145:20, Psalm 37 and some others give an indication of punishment of the wicked

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you see Lot miss his wife? Or did you see Noah miss his brothers and sisters and neighbours?

No!

Even here, we already tell them "go to hell", so how do you imagine that we would even remember them, when The Lord grants our prayers and permanently separates us from them?

You obviously have not heard that we are praying for God to come so that all of them would be taking away to their punishments.

Bro, how can separate such thoughts from yourself. Well nobody knows what's will happen after death because no one has died and come back to tell us.

bamvik:
A murderer and a liar will still go to hellfire
Someone who has been stealing in his entire life might go to heaven, while the one that stole once will go to hell. I can go on and on.
Mind you, in heaven no more vacation to different cities of the world, no more cruising in jets, ships and latest cars. No more Nairaland and other social media apps, no games, no football.
Just praises and hymns

Heaven and hell are just the wishful thinking of humans. The lack of practicality of them is why you have no details or evidence of either of them.

lordm:
Bro, how can separate such thoughts from yourself. Well nobody knows what's will happen after death because no one has died and come back to tell us.

We all know that death is the beginning of punishment. Why do you think that we are happy when politicians and bad people die?

And secondly we all can feel that there are bad and very bad things waiting inside death.

And the mere fact that we do not have direct experience of people who have entered it and come out is a clear confirmation of the fact it is a place we should not go to.

And on this issue, last week I went seeing an 84yr old man and I was watching how he rather chose the pain of his rotting diabetes leg than him going into death.

He was even paddled back to life when he slipped and I could see that he was very happy to still be living inspite of the pain.

Steep:
everyone has sinned and deserve hell but God offer us mercy in Jesus Christ. Just believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
Your thought about heaven is poor. Mind you it is not just about going to heaven but having everlasting life through Jesus.

Does not the bible clearly shows that there is no activity in hell?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

New American Bible
Anything you can turn your hand to, do with
what power you have; for there will be no
work, no planning, no knowledge, no
wisdom in Sheol where you are going

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you see Lot miss his wife? Or did you see Noah miss his brothers and sisters and neighbours?

No!

Even here, we already tell them "go to hell", so how do you imagine that we would even remember them, when The Lord grants our prayers and permanently separates us from them?

You obviously have not heard that we are praying for God to come so that all of them would be taking away to their punishments.

Does not the bible clearly shows that there is no activity in hell?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

New American Bible
Anything you can turn your hand to, do with
what power you have; for there will be no
work, no planning, no knowledge, no
wisdom in Sheol where you are going

Dtruthspeaker:
You are correct on the heaven part for heaven is already with us because earth and heaven work together. And the Bible tells us that this heaven and earth will be extinguished and new ones would be brought to replace them.

So it is the new heaven and earth that the qualified like Job, Daniel, Noah, Paul, the disciples and all of us who walk in the way of God shall get

However, since those who know that they deserve to be punished now started deceiving themselves so that they could sleep at night, God then decided to expressly stated what was already in all our hearts which is that they must all be superbly and justly punished for all their wickedness.

And that is not just is enough that they died? No!

They are to suffer each jolt and pain and suffering they have given others.

Which is why God came in Mathew and started declaring what we already have in our minds that there is a place of punishment for the very bad and the very very bad

Which heaven would be destroyed?

Are you saying that some good people would be on the new earth instead of all of them to be in the new heaven?

Truthseeker10:
Which heaven would be destroyed?

Are you saying that some good people would be on the new earth instead of all of them to be in the new heaven?

Read the Bible carefully. You will see that earth and heaven are always together, which is expressly in Revelations 21:1.

So when people are saying heaven, they are referring or supposed to be referring to the new heaven and earth which is why you see that the Bible keeps saying the righteous will inherit the earth. (Psalm 37:29)

So it is not that we are going to heaven but that we are going to a new world better than this one which has a new heaven and a new earth.

So the proper thing that Christians are supposed to be saying is that we are going to a new heaven and earth or at least a new earth.

Truthseeker10:
Does not the bible clearly shows that there is no activity in hell?

Yet, people are terrifyingly afraid of death?

Common sense should have told you that there is no activity in the grave simply because the time for the activity to commence has not yet come.

For Revelations shows that when it is time, the grave and sheol and whatever name that place will vomit all its prisoners. And after that those going to the Good New world of heaven and earth would be separated from those going to the bad new world of lake of fire!

It's as simple as that.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, people are terrifyingly afraid of death?

Common sense should have told you that there is no activity in the grave simply because the time for the activity to commence has not yet come.

For Revelations shows that when it is time, the grave and sheol and whatever name that place will vomit all its prisoners. And after that those going to the Good New world of heaven and earth would be separated from those going to the bad new world of lake of fire!

It's as simple as that.

So when a person dies now, there's no consciousness until the last judgement? If yes, what about the soul and spirit, where do they go to after a person dies?

Dtruthspeaker:
Read the Bible carefully. You will see that earth and heaven are always together, which is expressly in Revelations 21:1.

So when people are saying heaven, they are referring or supposed to be referring to the new heaven and earth which is why you see that the Bible keeps saying the righteous will inherit the earth. (Psalm 37:29)

So it is not that we are going to heaven but that we are going to a new world better than this one which has a new heaven and a new earth.

So the proper thing that Christians are supposed to be saying is that we are going to a new heaven and earth or at least a new earth.

So which heaven is going to be destroyed?

Truthseeker10:
So which heaven is going to be destroyed?

You have asked this question before just you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Truthseeker10:
So when a person dies now, there's no consciousness until the last judgement? If yes, what about the soul and spirit, where do they go to after a person dies?

You already know that the it is the soul that is trapped in death and the spirit returns to God. So don't bother asking unnecessary questions p

Dtruthspeaker:
You have asked this question before just you do not have any reasonable thing to say

You never mentioned the heaven that was going to be destroyed. Are you saying that heaven and earth mean the same thing?

Dtruthspeaker:
You already know that the it is the soul that is trapped in death and the spirit returns to God. So don't bother asking unnecessary questions p

You mean the soul is trap in the grave?
What exactly is the Spirit that returns to God?

Truthseeker10:
You mean the soul is trap in the grave?
What exactly is the Spirit that returns to God?

Is it that you have never read the Bible or that your bible does not have Genesis 6:3?

It's obvious that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

Truthseeker10:
You never mentioned the heaven that was going to be destroyed. Are you saying that heaven and earth mean the same thing?

Did you yourself mention the heaven you thought people were going to before all these?

It's clear you do not have any reasonable thing to say, so just stop

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it that you have never read the Bible or that your bible does not have Genesis 6:3?

It's obvious that you do not have any reasonable thing to say again

Ok...you do you believe that the soul dies?

Are you saying that Genesis 6:3 is talking about the spirit that returns to God when a person dies instead of the Holy Spirit?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you yourself mention the heaven you thought people were going to before all these?

It's clear you do not have any reasonable thing to say, so just stop

You claimed that the heaven that people say they are going to is the new heaven and earth. So which one will be destroyed?
Is heaven and earth the same thing?

Truthseeker10:
You claimed that the heaven that people say they are going to is the new heaven and earth. So which one will be destroyed?
Is heaven and earth the same thing?

If you did not truly understand the heaven that those people were talking about, you would have asked them since what heaven they were talking about before responding.

So it's clear you that you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Dtruthspeaker:
If you did not truly understand the heaven that those people were talking about, you would have asked them since what heaven they were talking about before responding.

So it's clear you that you do not have any reasonable thing to say

But you've explained it na so answer the other question.
Which heaven will be destroyed?
Is heaven and earth the same thing?