₦airaland Forum

owagbeba:
NURTW is a union too….lol
I haven’t seen them protecting the road transport workers.

They protect their members... how can you be protected by a union when you're not a member of? This actually common sense

casualobserver:
I am not a lawyer but someone should check whether labour laws apply to free trade zones. I suspect they don’t.

They are not entirely free to do as they like... there are still labour laws that govern their operations. They are not an entity of themselves without the laws of the land that they operate from. Why do Lagosians get angry when people say Lagos is no man's land? Yeah! That's the answer right there.

Zionmdde:
Another ignorance. Most pengassan members have since left the refinery. Infact no pengassan member from nnpc is currently there. Stop saying what you don't know

Pengassan don't need dues from any dangote refinery. That's the wealthiest union in Nigeria you are talking about. You think someone earning 5million per month really needs the dues of a 300k salary earner. Na wa oooo

May be we should beg dangote on all of una behalf to be paying the 1.5trillion naira subsidy.
Omo Nigeria spoil tey tey Sha.
Same people that stood and 18billion dollars was wasted all in the name of turn around maintenance and no one was punished.na Nigeria this kind anyhowness dey see light of the day Sha.

zoedew:
"Currently there." PENGASSAN members can no longer be "there" as it is no longer business as usual. You have not addressed the issues. Where did PENGASSAN wealth come from and what is it been used for? Can you tell your members the figures of the profitable investments the wealth has been used for? What is the meaningful contribution of PENGASSAN to the advancement of Nigeria. Has PENGASSAN not been in existence all these years when the oil and gas sector of the Nigerian economy was being mismanaged having been riddled by mind-boggling corruption especially in the public sector a la NNPC who for decades never remitted income to the Nigerian treasury until recently. These are the issues we should look at so Nigeria can go forward. We should be patriotic.

You think Pengassan members are poor people? Some Pengassan engineers earn as much as 5million a month in IOCs like NLNG, ExxonMobil etc.... They make their monthly contributions to keep the union running in order to protect their fundamental rights when employers tries to shortchange them

Biglittlelois:
I single handedly built a refinery with billions of dollars and loans, and then you want to sabotage my business by joining union that will shut down my business with flimsy excuses whenever they feel like, when i still have billions to pay back?

I will sack you sack all that belongs to you, nonsense and ingredients

PEGASSAN should do their worst, Dan iska.

Make you employ your family members to work for you as slaves nah...use them as you like...no problem with that But you no go use another person outside your family achieve the growth of your company come still treat as slave because you single-handedly build your company. Single-handedly do all the different departmental jobs to grow your company nah😀

Unionism and their babanla nonsense...let see the ignorant Nigerians you want to fool by creating economy stagnancy with a solution of vast petroleum provided for Nigerians by a Nigeria whose effort is internationally acknowledged.
Pengafools dey play una hear...
Thank God light stable small now so that queue for 5 litre nonsense no go dey...
Everytime na reverse una like...sigh

DEXTROVERT:
As an investor
You build a very big hospital
Or university
That stabilized the nation

Suddenly ASUU
Said your lecturers should join strike
Or NMA said your doctors shouldn't work.

Let's reason it out
With ASUU /doctors or nurses strikes
Do private universities or hospitals go on strike
Answer is NO
Does it mean they are not protected by their union

PENGASSON NUPENG,
Encroached these guys for reasons best known to upset their employer
They target is to ground things,
Raise the petrol price which is expected in few days so that their petrol station jerk up prices and they make gains from Nigeria as usual

Do you know
These economic sabotage are usually timed when
Things appears better, Naira is stable approaching 1400, Petrol is down 865. LPG 920

Suddenly all PENGASSON leaders filling Station will cause chaos and raise their prices

who suffers, the people
Who gains independent marketers
Its all a set up to maximize gains by same cabals who will never allow a drop of fuel refined from the NNPC

For anyone who thinks Dangote want to monopolize all
Tell PENGASSON and NUPENG
TO build their own refineries and compete not to bring down what is a respite at the moment


Now
For
Any foreign investor in oil and gas especially towards building refineries
Or even mechanized agriculture
How do they get courage seeing how NNPC, PENGASSON, NUPENG, DAPPMAN, IPMAN are dealing with dangote.

NNPC delayed license to start
Later they said dangote fuel has Sulphur
Later they denied their truck drivers
Stopped supply of crude, he had to buy elsewhere
Later stopped naira for crude

Yet
FG
Watches in limbo

Except the refinery didn't stabilise any nation

Feelsgood:
You think Pengassan members are poor people? Some Pengassan engineers earn as much as 5million a month in IOCs like NLNG, ExxonMobil etc.... They make their monthly contributions to keep the union running in order to protect their fundamental rights when employers tries to shortchange them

They think pengassan na road transport workers union

arantess:
They think pengassan na road transport workers union

Don't mind them... Dangote must obey labour laws...he shouldn't be allowed to go unchecked.

Again, I see that Pengassan's folks all over the comment section too, defending the action of their wicked union. Nigerians be wise and let's all support Dangote. We can all see the improvements in the exchange rate which would gradually translate to economic progress to be accompanied by reduction of prices that would inturn benefit the average Nigerians. Pengassan is only fighting for their own pocket. Nigerians be wise.

DEXTROVERT:
As an investor
You build a very big hospital
Or university
That stabilized the nation

Suddenly ASUU
Said your lecturers should join strike
Or NMA said your doctors shouldn't work.

Let's reason it out
With ASUU /doctors or nurses strikes
Do private universities or hospitals go on strike
Answer is NO
Does it mean they are not protected by their union

PENGASSON NUPENG,
Encroached these guys for reasons best known to upset their employer
They target is to ground things,
Raise the petrol price which is expected in few days so that their petrol station jerk up prices and they make gains from Nigeria as usual

Do you know
These economic sabotage are usually timed when
Things appears better, Naira is stable approaching 1400, Petrol is down 865. LPG 920

Suddenly all PENGASSON leaders filling Station will cause chaos and raise their prices

who suffers, the people
Who gains independent marketers
Its all a set up to maximize gains by same cabals who will never allow a drop of fuel refined from the NNPC

For anyone who thinks Dangote want to monopolize all
Tell PENGASSON and NUPENG
TO build their own refineries and compete not to bring down what is a respite at the moment


Now
For
Any foreign investor in oil and gas especially towards building refineries
Or even mechanized agriculture
How do they get courage seeing how NNPC, PENGASSON, NUPENG, DAPPMAN, IPMAN are dealing with dangote.

NNPC delayed license to start
Later they said dangote fuel has Sulphur
Later they denied their truck drivers
Stopped supply of crude, he had to buy elsewhere
Later stopped naira for crude

Yet
FG
Watches in limbo

Tinubu Tinubu Tinubu, how many times did I call you?

Step into this matter before pengasan and nupeng bring down your government


They are being used by independent marketers to get at your government.

Unionism na by force? Thunder fire unionism.

Can ASUU enter Covenant University Ota Lagos, a University owned by living faith church, to ask the lecturers to join their Union?

Feelsgood:
They are not entirely free to do as they like... there are still labour laws that govern their operations. They are not an entity of themselves without the laws of the land that they operate from. Why do Lagosians get angry when people say Lagos is no man's land? Yeah! That's the answer right there.

I asked for a lawyer who knows the law regarding labour laws in free trade zones. Not an opinion of a lay man who is just speculating.


What you have written does not add any value to the topic or to my life.

Feelsgood:
Make you employ your family members to work for you as slaves nah...use them as you like...no problem with that But you no go use another person outside your family achieve the growth of your company come still treat as slave because you single-handedly build your company. Single-handedly do all the different departmental jobs to grow your company nah😀

So anybody that isn't part of a union is automatically working as a slave?

Nairaland will force people to interact with somone that is ridiculously below par.....

Biglittlelois:
So anybody that isn't part of a union is automatically working as a slave?

Nairaland will force people to interact with somone that is ridiculously below par.....

Workers are free to join any union dthey wish to be part of... wether they work for you or not doesn't give the right to prevent them of their fundamental rights. You seem to be the slowpoke here

zoedew:
"Currently there." PENGASSAN members can no longer be "there" as it is no longer business as usual. You have not addressed the issues. Where did PENGASSAN wealth come from and what is it been used for? Can you tell your members the figures of the profitable investments the wealth has been used for? What is the meaningful contribution of PENGASSAN to the advancement of Nigeria. Has PENGASSAN not been in existence all these years when the oil and gas sector of the Nigerian economy was being mismanaged having been riddled by mind-boggling corruption especially in the public sector a la NNPC who for decades never remitted income to the Nigerian treasury until recently. These are the issues we should look at so Nigeria can go forward. We should be patriotic.

Pengassan staffs are senior oil and gas workers from total, Chevron, shell, IOCs and NOCs
Now go and find out their salary and come back

VanuatuWycombe:
Please show us that Section in our constitution or in ILO where it is written that joining labour union is compulsory.

You people have never worked in any organized settings and you will be spewing gibb erish.

Joining labour union is voluntary. Check Apple and Amazon and other tech giants. Their staff can’t join labour union.

In NIgeria, you can choose not to join. Some of our colleagues chose not to join when we were working and Heaven didn’t fall. All you loose when you don’t join a labour union is that your association won’t give you any support when you have problem with your employer. The support they usually give is activism and process disruption. They rarely help you pay any legal fees or any serious medical fees.

Dangote’s refinery is a private refinery. He can do whatever he likes with it. He doesn’t want staff that would be going on strike on flimsy grounds that are caused by unionism.

On a Labour Day, they can choose to go and match in a stadium and start demanding for money and bus to take them there. That’s the least of demand they could make.
A minor injury to to a staff due to his or her negligence can cause his colleagues to down-tool and cause production disruptions. They can wake up one day and start demanding for salary increase because they feel their excos in their union will support them. The list is endless. This type of disruption is not healthy for an investment of that magnitude. Dangote still has loans to pay back.

Al our union’s threat is part of SWOT analysis and has to be strategically managed.

If you build your own business, allow compulsory unionism to crash your own business.

Go to Rite Foods; none of its staff belongs to any union.

it is not compulsory to join but it's a right for those who choose to join. Those that joined shouldn't be victimized. Even in your so called abroad any one has the right to join a union if he chooses to. My flight was once grounded in this same abroad because a union halted the operation of an airline i booked.
Stop this abroad talk and lets focus why we join union in Nigeria.Employers are ripping off worker's without consequences. I have witness countless times employer's sacking workers without compensation in larger numbers over( 300) and nothing happens. Same can be seen in the recent development in dangote where 3000 as alleged was sacked. Is dangote bigger than total, shell or NLNG.
Here i support PENGASSAN. Dangote should obey the law of the land and stop acting like an oppressor.

DatNiggaDaz:
Dangote must obey the laws of the Land. Workers in the Petroleum industry must be allowed to be unionized.

Dangote is not above Nigerian Law. He must run his refinery within the jurisdiction of the employment laws in Nigeria.

He should never be allowed to have the say alone and monopolize the sectorr like he did in cement sector

Larfarge, Bua cement are doing very well in the cement industry. Do you people know the meaning of monopoly or are you just copying and pasting what evil and ignorant people want you to post.

I have personal experience about this Dangote issue.A close friend work there.Dangote brings in India that knows nothing and even as no experience in it's field and pay like 5m to 10m to that worker.He would ask the Nigeria worker that are earning 200k to train that same India for same work .And still later make the India his manager after training.No be juju b dat,lol

Osezzua:
So much ignorance in one post. Most Nigerians like to comment on what they know absolutely nothing about.

NNPC doesn't issue license to refineries, infact they are competitors with Dangote refinery.

Secondly, unionization of workers isn't a privilege, rather it's the worker's right guaranteed in our constitution and also in compliance with the ILO(International Labor Organization) regulation.

We have IOCs operating in Nigeria where we have PENGASSAN as a union.

Harmony and progress have always been sustained. Why does Dangote feel that he can hire and fire Nigerians arbitrarily?

Are they slaves to only be spoken to? Who does that?

Fire Nigerians as if they are in a labor camp? Come on guys, Nigerians can't be treated that way abroad and be treated the same way in their God given land.

This act shall be resisted to the end. Unionization of Nigerian workers doesn't mean death to the organization.

This is evident in other IOCs who have been operating in Nigeria for over 50yrs and have had their workers unionized.

If Dangote doesn't have ulterior motives, why is he afraid of the Union?

Not like any confrontation has taken place yet. Let him go back to the dialogue table and discuss.

casualobserver:
I asked for a lawyer who knows the law regarding labour laws in free trade zones. Not an opinion of a lay man who is just speculating.


What you have written does not add any value to the topic or to my life.

Ok...be there speaking grammar

Zionmdde:
Pengassan staffs are senior oil and gas workers from total, Chevron, shell, IOCs and NOCs
Now go and find out their salary and come back

That is not the issue here.

Feelsgood:
You think Pengassan members are poor people? Some Pengassan engineers earn as much as 5million a month in IOCs like NLNG, ExxonMobil etc.... They make their monthly contributions to keep the union running in order to protect their fundamental rights when employers tries to shortchange them

That is not the issue here.

zoedew:
That is not the issue here.

I just told you why they are wealthy. Or do you have evidence of any other means?

Zionmdde:
I just told you why they are wealthy. Or do you have evidence of any other means?

I reiterate. That is not the issue here. We should be looking at the impact of our decisions on the Nigerian economy.

Feelsgood:
Workers are free to join any union dthey wish to be part of... wether they work for you or not doesn't give the right to prevent them of their fundamental rights. You seem to be the slowpoke here

Be wise, it's not that hard

If workers have the right to join union, employers have the right to reject it and sack as they see fit

Nowhere is it stipulated in the constitution that unionism is compulsory.

Zionmdde:
Dangote pays his workers 300k
Now if you see that as a good salary for a professional engineer then I have nothing to say to you

In case you were not enlightened, Dangote workers voluntarily joined pengassan and dangote sacked them. Where in the news did you hear pengassan were forcing the workers to join, and dangote sacked those they were forcing
Some times I wonder how u guys think

300k for drivers or engineers

This is being wise by half. You're quoting a flat rate as if all engineers do the same work.

300k for drivers or engineers?

bixton:
Do you know anyone who PENGASSAN have forced in joining their Union, please bring proof and don't say what you don't know!!!!!

Do you think it's market women business with three employees!!!!?

You asked: "Do you know anyone who PENGASSAN have forced in joining their Union, please bring proof and don't say what you don't know".

This shows you are living in a different planet entirely and it would amount to a sheer waste of time engaging in any polemics with you.

Ignorance is bliss to the uninformed.



@hotseat

It is NATO i blame sha and injury to one ko and injury to all ni ... Should he watch why you sabotage his investment like you did public asset.

Unionism in Nigeria is worst. They are mainly interested in due payment by members.
Lurtw are a terrorist organization to me

Minjim:
300k for drivers or engineers

This is being wise by half. You're quoting a flat rate as if all engineers do the same work.

300k for drivers or engineers?

And how much is 2million annually minus pension and tax?
The other 5 million is even smaller than what they pay Indians
Get me a senior engineer that earns up to 500k

amazonguru001:
In as much as I resisted the urge not to add a word to this ongoing argument, but for the benefits of innocently minded Nigerians like you , let me educate you a little bit.

Unionisation is not compulsory. Workers who [sub][/sub]are willing to join the union, signify their intention to be part of the union by obtaining a form fill same and send an email to the union.

Does anyone who is compelled or forced to join an association obtain a form and fill it under duress ?

Union matters are not peculiar to our country.
Nigeria is not a stand-alone country. We are signatory to the international labour acts and a member of the international labour organisation (ILO) whose task is to seek and ensure that workers' rights and benefits are protected.

Dont be fooled by Dangote's theatrics. He, just like many employers don't mean well for their employees.
If not for the Union. Many workers would be treated as slaves. While the employers act like they are doing the workers a favour by paying them paltry salaries. Forgetting that the company exists, progresses and make profit because dedicated employees are doing their best to meet the company's set goals. Hence, it is a symbiotic relationship. And not one of master-slave.

Imagine where I work. I worked for 10 years, and I never had pension, my tax are deducted, and there is no HMO.

But the moment I and my colleagues joined the union, the Union had back and forth with the company, took the matter to the ministry of Labour, the company was reprimanded and told to do the right thing or be ready to argue their case in the court stating why they should not be prosecuted for not complying with the nations pension act.

The right thing is to pay workers pension contributions.
They immediately agreed and complied.

Today. Just 4 years after compliance to paying the pension , it will amaze you to know that my pension balance is sitting at 13M. This is just for 4 years oh.

Now I have retirement benefits, good HMO, nice take home and my tax are also taken care of by the compnay. All of which were non-existent in my over 10 years of pre-unionisation work years.

No doubt, the union (PENGASSAN & NUPENG, etc ) smile to the bank with members dues , but trust me, it is worth every penny they take from me.

Baba, forget all the cry of Dangote saying Pengassan/Nupeng is trying to sabotage the economy. Na wash.

Have you forgotten how Dangote refused to tell Nigerians how much he was selling fuel to NNPC when he first started production and NNPC was the only OFF TAKER.

The price was high.
Nigerias were crying. Asking him to tell us how much he sold to NNPC for NNPC to be selling at that ridiculous pump price to Nigerians.
For months. He refused. Not until Independent marketers decided to boycott him and keep importing saying, it was cheaper for them.

He sued the NNPC to direct the Independent Marketers to buy from him and not to import.
What is more monopolistic than this?

He was called to order and later withdrew the case.

As a way to fight back, he reduced the prices of all his products. So as to reduce the profit margin for the importers.
So this was possible earlier, yet he didn't do it. Lol.

Whatever price reduction you see today is being made possible because of the price war between him and the Independent marketers who themselves are greedy lots and evil cabals in the oil & gas industry

As a result, you and I. The ordinary Nigerians are the beneficiary of whatever cold war exists between them.

Trust me, if Dangote has his way, with his monopolistic tendency, then it's finished for the oil and gas industry.

In case you are not aware, this current union action was a result of Dangote sacking all his workers who are pengassan members.
You dont do that now. That's called work place victimisation.

Just like you are arguing. Union member is voluntary. As long as the workers are willing to, employers are expected to recognise workers' rights of membership of any legal trade union.

Without people being union members, when evil, Wicked and profit driven employers like Dangote swing their hammer against the workers, who would stand for such workers?

Just like in this case, you just wake up to see that you have been sacked for whatever reason. Especially for being a union member. Would you be happy if no one rises and stands for you.

What this means is, bread winners would suddenly lose their means of livelihood.
Families are plunged into poverty and, of course, consequently untold hardship.
This singular act adds to the unemployment rate, with the possibility of attendant increase in crime rate as human instinct for survival kicks in naturally. All because of Dangote's ill advised move, in his bid to make a strong statement to the union.

This is exactly what the union is trying to fight off.
You cant just wake up as an employer to sack your employees and then replace them with Indians.

Dey play.

Injury to one is injury to all.

You can never have a stand-off with the UNION, especially when it comes to victimisation due to union membership and expect to win.

Solidarity, forever.
Workers united can never be defeated .

FOR THE UNION MAKES US STRONG.

I think you are missing the main point here in that this issue is not one of a violation of an extant labour law and Dangote has not been found to violate any of the examples you stated in your place of work, that you used to build your points. That is very important. You cannot be punishing Dangote now for a perceived future offence that is yet to happen or which may not happen at all because it is on record that his staff are well paid through numerous awards even from other oil worker unions.

I agree with you on the pension funds though. Tinubu should do something about it to make it more accessible to contributors in other to navigate this his reform period. For example, workers should be able to take another percentage of their money say after another 5 years after the first one instead of locking everything up with the funds administrators.