₦airaland Forum

Zionmdde:
And how much is 2million annually minus pension and tax?
The other 5 million is even smaller than what they pay Indians
Get me a senior engineer that earns up to 500k

How much is the minimum wage?
2 million is the basic , when you add allowance and overtime it becomes something. I've not heard of any Dangote workers protesting over poor pay , have you ?

DatNiggaDaz:


Burob, you know who you want to throw tantrums with ?
Be careful and stay on the thread. I guess your father gave Dangote the loan for the refinery

You no answer my question. Where was your Father then?

Biglittlelois:
Be wise, it's not that hard

If workers have the right to join union, employers have the right to reject it and sack as they see fit

Nowhere is it stipulated in the constitution that unionism is compulsory.

Then why is Dangote worrying himself when Pengassan instructed its members to cut all gas and crude supply to his refinery? You think this is the cement industry that he does as he wishes. He will learn very soon. International Labour Law Acts gives that fundamental rights to employees and Nigeria is a signatory to the Act. International Companies operating in Nigeria don't have a problem with unionism because they know better and still have their facilities being run efficiently by members of PENGASSAN. Then why is Dangote afraid of unionism if he doesn't have ulterior motives. He should know that the Oil and Gas industry is structured in a way that he'll need to work with Pengassan. The IOCs and some NOCs know better... Dangote will find out soon.

Geesanni:
I have personal experience about this Dangote issue.A close friend work there.Dangote brings in India that knows nothing and even as no experience in it's field and pay like 5m to 10m to that worker.He would ask the Nigeria worker that are earning 200k to train that same India for same work .And still later make the India his manager after training.No be juju b dat,lol

why not resign no body force you to work for Dangote

Feelsgood:
Then why is Dangote worrying himself when Pengassan instructed its members to cut all gas and crude supply to his refinery? You think this is the cement industry that he does as he wishes. He will learn very soon. International Labour Law Acts gives that fundamental rights to employees and Nigeria is a signatory to the Act. International Companies operating in Nigeria don't have a problem with unionism because they know better and still have their facilities being run efficiently by members of PENGASSAN. Then why is Dangote afraid of unionism if he doesn't have ulterior motives. He should know that the Oil and Gas industry is structured in a way that he'll need to work with Pengassan. The IOCs and some NOCs know better... Dangote will find out soon.

he not finding anything soon we just found out the stabotures of the Nigeria state .the IOC are exporting raw crude !
After participating in destroying NNPC refineries !
What we are finding out is those that drove investor from Nigeria to Angola

unitysheart:
Right to free association is enshrined in our constitution.

Yes, you are 100% correct.

However, this constitutional freedom of association does not in any way translate to compulsory membership of any union or group. It simply means you are free to join, or not to join, as you wish.

While unionism is good because it empowers employees to checkmate exploitative and abusive practices, it can also become a potent tool for massive industrial/economic sabotage, particularly where union leaders get in cahoots with mafias/cabals.

Osezzua:
If Dangote doesn't have ulterior motives, why is he afraid of the Union?

I think Dangote has some valid reasons to be 'afraid' of the Unions (if I'm to use your word).

The greatest danger of unionism especially in Nigeria is their their love of strike at any slightest issue. Just look at what they are doing now - just because some of their members in Dangote Refinery alone were sacked their are going on strike to ground the entire petroleum industry; meaning that other organisations that has no business with what is happening in Dangote Refinery will suffer! No serious business man who spent a fortune to build his business would want to tolerate that.

Tomorrow, some of their members in another organisation may have issue with their organisation and PENGASSAN will declare another nationwide strike grounding the entire industry and affecting Dangote Refinery that has no business with the issue.

If Dangote can find a way around this unionism matter and succeed in not allowing any of staff join the union, to me that is best not only for Dangote, but for the country as a whole.

If the owner of the business don't want you to join any union you are free to look for work in another company if you insist on joining union.

By the way, why is PENGASSAN resorting to strike instead of going to court if they believe they have a strong case against Dangote. That seems like blackmail and manipulation.

Zionmdde:
@ bolded. That's when dangote choose to defy the law of the country and international laws and sack workers for joining union

2nd NNPC does not give anybody license for anything, you can't write a long epistle of what you don't know

Dangote is owing nnpc a lot of money somewhere

No PENGASSAN leader is in any filling station or has any business or invested interest with any anywhere in this country

Who suffers more? Dangote, the sacked workers, the thousands of Indians replacing Nigeria, the common man, the uncommon man, together in unity we will all suffer for the injustice meted on those sacked workers

NNPC is not Pengassan and pengassan is not nnpc. Why not also call out total, Chevron, nlng, seplat, shell and the rest because their staffs are also pengassan members.

If NNPC refuses to sell crude to dangote, let him buy from total or mobil, or seplat or Chevron they are all crude producers

Go and read your books for next year utme abeg. For your mind now you have written an essay

Injury to those sacked workers is injury to everyone. When we learn to stand up for each other, oppression will end

I'm so impressed! Unfortunately, so many people here on NL are not only clueless but profoundly uninformed

mukthar2000:
Dangote want to make sure the downgrade PENGASSAN for his own refinary to enable him gain grand to be selling his fuel #2000 per litter in Nigeria .

Build your own refinery and sell for #200

Feelsgood:
Why you no employ your wife and children and other family members to work for you nah? Na those ones you go fit try that rubbish with. You need people to build and grow your business but you don't want them to protect their fundamental rights when you step out of line. I know how greedy Nigerian employers can be... very greedy set of people. Carry your family go drill the oil well nah... make them also run the process plants to produce products wey you go sell make money...then you later give them peanuts because na you own the company

We are saying the same thing my brother, we are not fighting. I would simply and happily employ foreigners that will happily work to my terms and conditions and these foreigners will even serve me and my business better. Clients and customers would happily patronise my business seeing foreigners as my workers and representative.
Let me give you a realistic example... Here in Edo State, cows 🐄 coming from the north to Lagos passes through Edo State before getting to Lagos but when it gets to the market, Lagos meat price end up cheaper than Edo meat price. But Edo State governor has recently ban every meat unions in the state and I can tell you that meat has become way cheaper. That's what unions do to Nigeria socialety

hotseat:
You asked: "Do you know anyone who PENGASSAN have forced in joining their Union, please bring proof and don't say what you don't know".

This shows you are living in a different planet entirely and it would amount to a sheer waste of time engaging in any polemics with you.

Ignorance is bliss to the uninformed.



@hotseat

There are those of us who work in this industry and we don't talk from mere road side talks or beer parlour rantings or free readers association knows it all discuss....

The fact that pengason thinks dangote is fighting the government makes me see them as ridiculous union

Even oyinbos, ioc, couldn't get the liver to establish a refinery in nigeria

Dangote is government and government is dangote

The FG should better rein in that shameless business man to do the right thing. Greedy and unpatriotic with his Indian staff.

FreeStuffsNG:
You're speaking from both sides of the mouth. Go and read Section 2 Chapter 14 of Nigeria’s constitution.

You must be working for Dangote's propaganda squad.

Geesanni:
I have personal experience about this Dangote issue.A close friend work there.Dangote brings in India that knows nothing and even as no experience in it's field and pay like 5m to 10m to that worker.He would ask the Nigeria worker that are earning 200k to train that same India for same work .And still later make the India his manager after training.No be juju b dat,lol

Lolzzzzz 🤣

Beer parlour talk is sweet to the ignorant only

Zionmdde:
My friend can you go and read the Labour law of Nigeria as well as the United Nations Human rights declaration?
[b]If uniilorin lecturers are not in union, that is because they don't want to, [/b]not because uni illorin as an institution asked them not to. I don't know how difficult that is for you to understand. Employees have the rights to make that decision not employers

Pengasan has declared strike, and declared dangote's actions illegal and cited UN ILO as I have been shouting it to you since yesterday. Now you will use this case and learn.

Listen to yourself, Lets follow your claim Unilorin lecturers didnt join ASUU solely cos of their decision ... Now that Unilorin Mgt made a U - turn back into ASUU why did the lecturers not stick by their decision since the ball is in their court
Mgt U-turn the staffs also follow .. is that not tew much for a coincidence

You my friend is very Funny, Employee have Right to join any union But that greatly depends on enabling environment solely determine the Mangement

Nobody is saying you can't join Nupeng But you cant work for Me that is Dangote stand ... very simple

if i tell folake4u its either you marry me or you hold on to xtainity cos i am a muslim ... if she chose church that like tellin me dude go to hell ... you cant sue me if you eat your cake n dont have it

shey i go open your head put wisdom inside nii

My late dad once gave me a condition , if you must keep late night clubbing leave my house ... was a teenager i didnt cry fundamental human right i picked one

Educationalserv:
he not finding anything soon we just found out the stabotures of the Nigeria state .the IOC are exporting raw crude !
After participating in destroying NNPC refineries !
What we are finding out is those that drove investor from Nigeria to Angola

You're contradicting yourself...can the IOCs export raw crude without the Nigerian government participation. Who owns the crude oil in the first place? Is there not a joint venture agreement between the IOCs and the Nigerian government (NNPC)? So who's enabling the saboteurs? So you mean the IOCs dictate to the Federal government how to run its oil and gas industry to the detriment of the nation? I need your answers to these questions.

LagBlogger:
It is not against the law either for a private employer to refuse to employ or retain union members.

It's against the law to sack employees simply for joining a Union, however, you have the right not to employ them if they're already a Union members. Now what the law would look at is why we're they sacked? Then after re-employing them back. He can look for another legitimate reason to sack them again. But not because of that unionism

Feelsgood:
Then why is Dangote worrying himself when Pengassan instructed its members to cut all gas and crude supply to his refinery? You think this is the cement industry that he does as he wishes. He will learn very soon. International Labour Law Acts gives that fundamental rights to employees and Nigeria is a signatory to the Act. International Companies operating in Nigeria don't have a problem with unionism because they know better and still have their facilities being run efficiently by members of PENGASSAN. Then why is Dangote afraid of unionism if he doesn't have ulterior motives. He should know that the Oil and Gas industry is structured in a way that he'll need to work with Pengassan. The IOCs and some NOCs know better... Dangote will find out soon.

Stop mentioning "international Labour laws", joor



This is nigeria

Which private coy allows her workers to join union in nigeria

Dangote is government proxy, and front Abi you don't know

It was during military rule that people like abiola, tinubu, Soyinka, etc were using pengassan to get to the military junta that was what gave pengassan her fame

Now table have turn

Oga rest

zoedew:
I reiterate. That is not the issue here. We should be looking at the impact of our decisions on the Nigerian economy.

And how has Dangote refinery impacted the Nigerian economy? Are you buying the petroleum products cheaper than it was before it came on stream?

Minjim:
300k for drivers or engineers

This is being wise by half. You're quoting a flat rate as if all engineers do the same work.

300k for drivers or engineers?

Your post said 2-5 million per annum. Which means the average monthly salary for an level entry engineer should be about 300k-400k. Now, I can categorily tell that the monthly salary of a level entry engineer in NLNG is about 800k-1M

Typing:
You no answer my question. Where was your Father then?

Burob, where was your own ? I heard he gave Dangote the loan

maiunguwar:
Build your own refinery and sell for #200

op no problem we are here in Niger together . We shall both feel the pain when the surgery stated.


Are u awake that ebeto , Askha, purcem cement was all killed for me and u to be buying Dangote cement #10500? Don't worry we shall withness the same soon in oil sector.

princeade86:
then when was it against the law that workers can't join unionism if they want. What is the dangote motives that dont want to allow his workers to join union? To be using them anyhow? To be treating them anyhow? What was the reason?

Are you going to feign dementia, Have you not been following matters ... or is it not glaring every major player in the oil sector have fired shot to sabotage Dangote refinery right from the onset

1. NNPC reneged in there investment %, from 20% to 7% ... is that not a sabotage move

2. Marketers petition to the presidency, Dangote is making diesel cheaper and not making as profitable as they want ... is that not an attack

3. NDPRMA announce Dangote fuel is substandard and full of sulphur without proof .. is that not a sabotage or attack
Dangote on his level seein All this moves, you expect him not to shield is investment from Pengassan and Nupeng that are known allies of NNPC n Marketers
Dangote making acquisition of new trucks and giving discount to direct buyers plus free delivery is a huge sacrifice and commitment to Nation building

What have your uselezz Union contributed, Do you know Nupeng are bound to collect 1m each on dangote trucks if he joins Nupeng .. is the fight really about the employee or the Money they stand to gain dey play

happney65:
Pengasson is capping. Real capping. Why should unionization be made compulsory? Why?

They can go ahead and do their worst and Dangote should call off their bluff. Because on this,I support Dangote 100percent

Seems you don't know the power of union. Those guys are worse than Agberos.

Feelsgood:
The structures on ground to aid him do all that has Pengassan members in them. He'll need to go through them to achieve that. You guys just don't know what Dangote is trying to do. That monopoly in oil and gas will not work for him.

waht monopoly? and all the Union members have to agree and abide to what the union says ?

Feelsgood:
Your post said 2-5 million per annum. Which means the average monthly salary for an level entry engineer should be about 300k-400k. Now, I can categorily tell that the monthly salary of a level entry engineer in NLNG is about 800k-1M

When did Dangote Refinery begin operations that you want them to start paying like Mobile and Chevron? The Refinery is the Pride of Nigeria. It's not a global brand

chidiokay:
Listen to yourself, Lets follow your claim Unilorin lecturers didnt join ASUU solely cos of their decision ... Now that Unilorin Mgt made a U - turn back into ASUU why did the lecturers not stick by their decision since the ball is in their court
Mgt U-turn the staffs also follow .. is that not tew much for a coincidence

You my friend is very Funny, Employee have Right to join any union But that greatly depends on enabling environment solely determine the Mangement

Nobody is saying you can't join Nupeng But you cant work for Me that is Dangote stand ... very simple

if i tell folake4u its either you marry me or you hold on to xtainity cos i am a muslim ... if she chose church that like tellin me dude go to hell ... you cant sue me if you eat your cake n dont have it

shey i go open your head put wisdom inside nii

My late dad once gave me a condition , if you must keep late night clubbing leave my house ... was a teenager i didnt cry fundamental human right i picked one

Oga go and read the universal human rights law before you come here again
Find where they wrote enabling management
If you don't see it there go and ask dangote to add it

Go and read the law you wont

SSpeter:
Seems you don't know the power of union. Those guys are worse than Agberos.

you mean the Union in an ill organized country like Nigeria, If they don't attack people will they have any relevance?

mukthar2000:
op no problem we are here in Niger together . We shall both feel the pain when the surgery stated.


Are u awake that ebeto , Askha, purcem cement was all killed for me and u to be buying Dangote cement #10500? Don't worry we shall withness the same soon in oil sector.

Every commodity in Nigeria increased money,coca cola was thirty naira under Jonathan but now it's five hundred naira. Is Dangote the cause?

Godfullsam:
I don't think unionisation should be mandatory, especially in the private sectors .

It should be optional and the employers should let the employees know that they will not entertain unionisation for what ever reason before employing them.
So that anyone taking the job will know he/she will not be joining any labour union.
I believe government will never ask dangote to shut down his refinery if he insisted he won't allow his employees to join any union.

People have freedom of association according to our laws. Why would any organization operating under the same law go against it's core systems!