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Hhh4444:
Religion makes people blind. Flee from it.There is no rapture happening anytime. Wake up oh ye religious people.

You're the one who should wake up cos the rapture is an established event that will Mos def occur. No one knows the hour or moment but that [b]it will occur[/b]is a certainty

Hhh4444:
Religion makes people blind. Flee from it.There is no rapture happening anytime. Wake up oh ye religious people.

You're the one who should wake up cos the rapture is an established event that will Mos def occur. No one knows the hour or moment but that it will occur is a certainty

gohf:
does one really need such, "a school of thought", when we realize God can call us home at any point in time?
Do I need to consider something that contradicts what Jesus and the apostles thought because they are many who teach such? My answer is no

And to answer your question on which one the devil will want most people to believe, it will be to believe that the one coming is Jesus Christ of Nazareth meanwhile it is the Antichrist that is coming first. So as to deceive the world that Christ has come meanwhile it is the false Christ that has come.

Are you trying to say you don't believe in the Second coming of.Jesus as the Bible outlines it?

bamitinn:
Where’s your evidence. Spitting what you heard!!!! Use your sense

Lol, you are actually asking for evidence of Kumuyi making women not to wear earrings else they wont go to heaven

You even sound angry on top and requesting for the use of sense

Gambia kawai 🤣

You have no point JWs never mentioned any specific date just as John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century disciples of Jesus and Jehovah's Witnesses but they all keep anticipating the coming of God's Kingdom.

Russell never mentioned any specific date people like you often attached dates whenever you observe faithful servants of God actively doing what God commanded them.

But if you wish to condemn faithful ones you can start with John the baptist who questioned Jesus' authenticity because of expectations of what God promised.

As for mentioning a specific date like the RAPTURE people faithful servants of God never mentioned any date!

safarifarms:
Your people did same thing as those who went to wait in the forest. That's why they got disappointed.

"The failure of Russell's prediction did not significantly alter the movement's short-term, date-focused orientation. "
If the failure is difficult to understand, go and ask your people about it. They are the ones who went in circles like you are doing now.

AngelahFlo:
Which group do you belong. The Pre tribulation rapture or the post tribulation rapture?

this is where I belong
Mark.13.19 - For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
...
Mark.13.24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark.13.25 - the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark.13.26 - Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.13.27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

AngelahFlo:
Are you trying to say you don't believe in the Second coming of.Jesus as the Bible outlines it?

That's not what I wrote neither did I even think to attempt trying to say such. So stick to what I wrote and no add assumptions

gohf:
this is where I belong
Mark.13.19 - For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
...
Mark.13.24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark.13.25 - the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark.13.26 - Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.13.27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.


That's not what I wrote neither did I even think to attempt trying to say such. So stick to what I wrote and no add assumptions

In simple English, you believe in a post tribulation rapture. It's okay. Just wanted to know where your views stand on. For me I'm open ended. Whether it's a Pre tribulation or a post tribulation I'm keeping myself ready for any of them

AngelahFlo:
In simple English, you believe in a post tribulation rapture. It's okay. Just wanted to know where your views stand on. For me I'm open ended. Whether it's a Pre tribulation or a post tribulation I'm keeping myself ready for any of them

you are keeping yourself for the Christ that will come before and the one that will come after abi. Well-done 👍👍

This is being smart by half. Your people gave a year and it failed. They gave another year and it still failed. Does that make them better than the ones that gave a specific date?

MaxInDHouse:
You have no point JWs never mentioned any specific date just as John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century disciples of Jesus and Jehovah's Witnesses but they all keep anticipating the coming of God's Kingdom.

Russell never mentioned any specific date people like you often attached dates whenever you observe faithful servants of God actively doing what God commanded them.

But if you wish to condemn faithful ones you can start with John the baptist who questioned Jesus' authenticity because of expectations of what God promised.

As for mentioning a specific date like the RAPTURE people faithful servants of God never mentioned any date!

gohf:
you are keeping yourself for the Christ that will come before and the one that will come after abi. Well-done 👍👍

That's where you're wrong. It's not "and" but "or"
You can't hold to two views at once; that's stupidity. I'm prepared either way. Whether Jesus comes before the tribulation or He comes after the tribulation is what I'm prepared for.

safarifarms:
This is being smart by half. Your people gave a year and it failed. They gave another year and it still failed. Does that make them better than the ones that gave a specific date?

John the baptist gave a season just as Jesus' disciples also gave a season only Jesus never mentioned a season because he is a perfect son of God but as for a specific date that's what you failed to observe God's people never mentioned one!

MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist gave a season just as Jesus' disciples also gave a season only Jesus never mentioned a season because he is a perfect son of God but as for a specific date that's what you failed to observe God's people never mentioned one!

After Jesus made a final verdict that no one knows when, why will your people think they are wiser and give a year if they are following the perfect son of God? Where did they get the failed year from?

AngelahFlo:
That's where you're wrong. It's not "and" but "or"
You can't hold to two views at once; that's stupidity. I'm prepared either way. Whether Jesus comes before the tribulation or He comes after the tribulation is what I'm prepared for.

so if a Christ comes before tribulations contrary to what is written how would you know he is not a false Christ

Let's read a bit shall we

2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

2Thess.2.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

gohf:
so if a Christ comes before tribulations contrary to what is written how would you know he is not a false Christ

Let's read a bit shall we

2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

2Thess.2.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

My guy we're saying the same thing. I'm just prepared for whichever one it's gonna be. But current events points to a Post tribulation rapture. As we speak Palestine has been made a state. Now as at the time I read it's not been fully confirmed yet but all is set for the appearing of the man of Sin. Only that when he comes he'llaro not reveal himself outright but he'll first deceive many with a false peace treaty that he'll break and set up image and demand to be worshipped as God. We should be more concerned on living ready than looking out for signs of Jesus' coming

safarifarms:
After Jesus made a final verdict that no one knows when, why will your people think they are wiser and give a year if they are following the perfect son of God? Where did they get the failed year from?

Why did Christians in the first century still thought God's Kingdom will come in their time despite Jesus telling them no one knows the season?

MaxInDHouse:
Why did Christians in the first century still thought God's Kingdom will come in their time despite Jesus telling them no one knows the season?

Right from soon after Jesus, his coming has always been expected to be soon and even till now Christians are still expecting it to be soon and the possibility of being in our time is not ruled out. But we also know that a thousand years is like a day with God.

2 Peter 3:8
Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like one day.

So those who understand the Bible don't think in terms of a particular day or month or year. But your folks set a year and it failed them multiple times and they learned the hard way before they stopped.

More interestingly you are here making mockery of a Preacher just because he didn't comment early about the folly of those who did something similar to your folks

safarifarms:
Right from soon after Jesus, his coming has always been expected to be soon and even till now Christians are still expecting it to be soon and the possibility of being in our time is not ruled out.

So expecting God's Kingdom as if it will come tomorrow is not evil rather setting a date is what we are talking about now!

safarifarms:
More interestingly you are here making mockery of a Preacher just because he didn't comment early about the folly of those who did something similar to your folks

You keep going back and forth after i've shown you that expecting God's Kingdom as if it's coming tomorrow differs from setting a specific date.

Well Kumuyi kept quiet because he is not sure whether the September 23/24 date could be true while i have explained in details that there is nothing called RAPTURE in the Bible!

AntiChristian:
Only the Qur'an is preserved as it was revealed in all its styles and original language[

Which version is preserved?! Is it the Hafs version, al-duri version,or the most recent one edited in 1924?!
Keurianu has always been quorrupted right from begining. The first person to quorrupt it is uuor òrìsà by abrogating verses in it.


Keurianu has never been perfect or preserved.

AntiChristian:
The injeel, Zabur and other are lost. And what people wrote are merely copies of copies of copies..,...

Show me where your iwe iró say the injeel is lost!
If the injeel is lost, why did your òrìsà say Christians should follow the injeel? So, your òrìsà is saying Christians should follow a lost book? Is it that your òrìsà is not adequately informed about the past and future, making him unaware that the injeel has been or would be lost?

Are you saying you are following an òrìsà that doesn't have adequate information about the past and present and future?!

Are we now talking about rapture being in the bible or not?

MaxInDHouse:
So expecting God's Kingdom as if it will come tomorrow is not evil rather setting a date is what we are talking about now!

You keep going back and forth after i've shown you that expecting God's Kingdom as if it's coming tomorrow differs from setting a specific date.

Well Kumuyi kept quiet because he is not sure whether the September 23/24 date could be true while i have explained in details that there is nothing called RAPTURE in the Bible!

You keep going back and forth after I've shown you that your people set a year of the end twice but if flopped. Jesus' coming will happen soon but soon for man is not same as soon for God. Is that too much for you to understand? Is it too difficult to see the difference with giving a day or year when you don't actually know when and you are sure to be disappointed and make a fool of yourself like your people and the people in the forest did?

OLAADEGBU:
Pastor Kumuyi reveals September rapture rumours


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhzHYadWu3Y?si=AnhYo-PCZEkzJ9Jn

Na mumu dey believe rapture nowadays. I bet most Xtians are not even reading their bible to know the meaning of rapture. Dem just dey read it literally not know those words are metaphorical.

safarifarms:
Are we now talking about rapture being in the bible or not?

YES!
This is why Kumuyi kept mute until 23/24 of September is over because he's also confused about what Christendom churches called "RAPTURE"
Meanwhile there is nothing called RAPTURE in the Bible and it's meaning doesn't exist in the Bible at all.
So when talking about the end of badness that's certain and God's people have always long for it right from the time of John the baptist though they never mentioned any specific date but this RAPTURE of a thing makes no practical sense, never written in God's word yet someone set a date and most of you are carried away.
That's my point!🙂

thomas2024:
Na mumu dey believe rapture nowadays. I bet most Xtians are not even reading their bible to know the meaning of rapture. Dem just dey read it literally not know those words are metaphorical.

There is nothing called RAPTURE in the Bible it's meaningless!

You are so funny to shift the goal post to rapture that wasn't my issue with you and your people. And I'm not among the confused that went to the forest nor believe in any fake timing which I can only laugh about. I was pointing out your hypocrisy for mocking Kumiyi when your people are also author of confusion that also have a history of failed timing.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
This is why Kumuyi kept mute until 23/24 of September is over because he's also confused about what Christendom churches called "RAPTURE"
Meanwhile there is nothing called RAPTURE in the Bible and it's meaning doesn't exist in the Bible at all.
So when talking about the end of badness that's certain and God's people have always long for it right from the time of John the baptist though they never mentioned any specific date but this RAPTURE of a thing makes no practical sense, never written in God's word yet someone set a date and most of you are carried away.
That's my point!🙂

safarifarms:
You are so funny to shift the goal post to rapture that wasn't my issue with you and your people. And I'm not among the confused that went to the forest nor believe in any fake timing which I can only laugh about. I was pointing out your hypocrisy for mocking Kumiyi when your people are also author of confusion that also have a history of failed timing.

Timing has always been the problem of believers from time immemorial so your hypocrisy only shows you don't know your Bible enough to figure out that God's people have always worried about the timing of His kingdom so if you want to tackle that then you have to condemn prophets of old who also got things wrong regarding the timing of God's promised kingdom.

My main reason for speaking about your pastor is how he was also caught in the web of false doctrine like RAPTURE he is only speaking after the date failed and nothing happened but there is nothing called RAPTURE in God's word.

That's my point!

MaxInDHouse:
Timing has always been the problem of believers from time immemorial so your hypocrisy only shows you don't know your Bible enough to figure out that God's people have always worried about the timing of His kingdom so if you want to tackle that then you have to condemn prophets of old who also got things wrong regarding the timing of God's promised kingdom.

My main reason for speaking about your pastor is how he was also caught in the web of false doctrine like RAPTURE he is only speaking after the date failed and nothing happened but there is nothing called RAPTURE in God's word.

That's my point!

The hypocrisy is actually of you trying to force things that are only in your head on me like Kumiyi being my pastor and rapture that I never talked about.

You keep trying to hide behind old time prophets that didn't set a time to defend your folks that set multiple failed years. Deal with that and stop conjuring falsehoods to force on me.

safarifarms:
The hypocrisy is actually of you trying to force things that are only in your head on me like Kumiyi being my pastor and rapture that I never talked about.
You keep trying to hide behind old time prophets that didn't set a time to defend your folks that set multiple failed years. Deal with that and stop conjuring falsehoods to force on me.

It's like you don't understand what you're saying but i will help you.

Imagine yourself in first century Jewish community then a Jew named Theuʹdas after realizing that it's time for the kingdom of God to be revealed this man claimed he is the Messiah (Christ) he gathered followers in their thousands fighting the Romans anticipating to free the Jews under the Roman colony but he was captured and killed! Act 5:36

About two decades later another Jew this time a Galilean named Judas also started terrorizing the whole community claiming he is the real Messiah (Christ) but he too was caught and killed then all his followers scattered.

About a decade later John the baptist began declaring that God's Kingdom is at hand {Matthew 3:2} this man did it for several years until Jewish religious leaders sent words to find out if he also will claim he's the Christ but John emphatically said NO! John 1:19-21

Years later Jesus of Nazareth also began preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood but this time around this one neither said yes or no to the same question but he began performing great miracles and teaching people.

Later Jesus was caught and killed only for his disciples to start preaching and teaching in his name and performing miracles in his name.

Now if you lived through all these times will you believe any of them after seeing they all died miserably and the end has not come?

Of course any faithless jew will say it's all nonsense because nothing changed their situation under the Roman government only got worsen.

So you will start attaching dates to each occurrence:
Theudas, Judas, John, Jesus, Christians all claimed God's Kingdom is near yet nothing changed but do you think it's all nonsense today?
I know you will say John, Jesus and the Christians are not doing nonsense after all that what the Bible says now.

So instead of mixing it all up a faithful person will separate falsehood from truth not just say all of them claims the same thing at different times!🙂

I'm actually tired and bored of reading disjointed epistles where you keep carefully derailing from the issue of discuss to other things. We were on how you mocked Kumiyi whom you later claimed is my pastor when he's not. Since you don't have a defence of your people's failed timings you decided to force narratives on me to deviate from the truth. Where did your people get all those timings from? That is what you should be defending, not beating about the bush.

MaxInDHouse:
It's like you don't understand what you're saying but i will help you.

Imagine yourself in first century Jewish community then a Jew named Theuʹdas after realizing that it's time for the kingdom of God to be revealed this man claimed he is the Messiah (Christ) he gathered followers in their thousands fighting the Romans anticipating to free the Jews under the Roman colony but he was captured and killed! Act 5:36

About two decades later another Jew this time a Galilean named Judas also started terrorizing the whole community claiming he is the real Messiah (Christ) but he too was caught and killed then all his followers scattered.

About a decade later John the baptist began declaring that God's Kingdom is at hand {Matthew 3:2} this man did it for several years until Jewish religious leaders sent words to find out if he also will claim he's the Christ but John emphatically said NO! John 1:19-21

Years later Jesus of Nazareth also began preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood but this time around this one neither said yes or no to the same question but he began performing great miracles and teaching people.

Later Jesus was caught and killed only for his disciples to start preaching and teaching in his name and performing miracles in his name.

Now if you lived through all these times will you believe any of them after seeing they all died miserably and the end has not come?

Of course any faithless jew will say it's all nonsense because nothing changed their situation under the Roman government only got worsen.

So you will start attaching dates to each occurrence:
Theudas, Judas, John, Jesus, Christians all claimed God's Kingdom is near yet nothing changed but do you think it's all nonsense today?
I know you will say John, Jesus and the Christians are not doing nonsense after all that what the Bible says now.

So instead of mixing it all up a faithful person will separate falsehood from truth not just say all of them claims the same thing at different times!🙂

safarifarms:
I'm actually tired and bored of reading disjointed epistles where you keep carefully derailing from the issue of discuss to other things. We were on how you mocked Kumiyi whom you later claimed is my pastor when he's not. Since you don't have a defence of your people's failed timings you decided to force narratives on me to deviate from the truth. Where did your people get all those timings from? That is what you should be defending, not beating about the bush.

Where did John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century disciples got all what they were saying that never happened since 2,000 years ago?

MaxInDHouse:
Where did John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century disciples got all what they were saying that never happened since 2,000 years ago?

The world will end one day, everyone knows that. If you want to equate them to JW's illusions then show me where they gave a year that it will happen like the JW failed predictions.

safarifarms:
The world will end one day, everyone knows that. If you want to equate them to JW's illusions then show me where they gave a year that it will happen like the JW failed predictions.

I have given you more than enough but it's clear that you are just anxious to fight for your pastor.

John demanded if Jesus is the real Christ! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus' disciples asked him if he will hand over God's Kingdom to Israel in the first century! Act 1:7

First century disciples of Christ thought apostle John will not die until Jesus return! John 21:22-23

Why?

Because they expected Jesus to start his rulership in their own lifetime.

So it's not a crime for believers to eagerly anticipate the end of badness but this RAPTURE of a thing is nowhere to be found in the scriptures so anyone anticipating it is deluded that's my point!

You just quoted the portions of the Bible that puts the claims of your people to shame. Then you go back to the lie that Kumuyi is my pastor. I'm not a member of deeper life. So he's not my pastor. Face the issue and stop trying to force Kumiyi to be my pastor.

Acts 1:7 (New International Version)
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

Your people thought they knew better than Jesus by coming up with timelines and God shamed them. Deal with that and stop claiming Kumiyi is my pastor. I didn't even bother to watch his video. Your mockery of him is what drew my attention considering that you have a bigger log of wood in your eyes which you will rather beat about the bush when confronted.

MaxInDHouse:
I have given you more than enough but it's clear that you are just anxious to fight for your pastor.

John demanded if Jesus is the real Christ! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus' disciples asked him if he will hand over God's Kingdom to Israel in the first century! Act 1:7

First century disciples of Christ thought apostle John will not die until Jesus return! John 21:22-23

Why?

Because they expected Jesus to start his rulership in their own lifetime.

So it's not a crime for believers to eagerly anticipate the end of badness but this RAPTURE of a thing is nowhere to be found in the scriptures so anyone anticipating it is deluded that's my point!