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ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"
No man shall see the Lord in you, if you are not holy.
But the only true criteria to entering heaven is faith.
Eph 2:8&9
For by grace are you saved through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.
NOT of works, lest any ma should boast.

Holiness is a work sir

Always remember the importance of holiness in a Christian's life. While various aspects of faith, such as singing, preaching, and giving, are valuable, they are insufficient for entering heaven without holiness. The Bible highlights the significance of holiness in several passages:
- *Matthew 5:6*: "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." This verse emphasizes the importance of desiring righteousness and holiness.
- *Hebrews 12:14*: "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." This verse underscores the necessity of holiness in seeing God.

Also take note that many people may be comfortable with a nominal or compromising form of Christianity, rather than pursuing genuine holiness. Ultimately, the pursuit of holiness requires a deep longing for righteousness and a commitment to following God's ways.

cutecommend:
Be very desperate, hungry and thirsty for it. Engage in "do-or-die" prayers, bible study, fastings e.t.c to God, requesting only one thing: "God make me holy". When God sees that you are truly interested in being holy, He will give you grace to be holy. God does not want to waste such grace on unserious so-called christians.


Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

That's not true?

Pharisee!

cutecommend:
Be very desperate, hungry and thirsty for it. Engage in "do-or-die" prayers, bible study, fastings e.t.c to God, requesting only one thing: "God make me holy". When God sees that you are truly interested in being holy, He will give you grace to be holy. God does not want to waste such grace on unserious so-called christians.


Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am sorry to disagree with you, brother, but those things you mentioned are formulas for holiness. They make holiness seem like a very distant achievement that is reserved for a select few super Christians. Holiness is something that is within the reach of anyone and it is simply this — obeying the Word of God. There is nothing else to it. Just obey the commands of God, and His greatest commandment is to Him with all our heart and soul and to love one another. Do that and you are okay. Holiness and love for God and others are one and the same.

SlavaUkraini:
Continue to dey play ▶️▶️▶️

Even your Ancestors are calling you to believe in Jesus Christ

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Then how comes the ancestors didn't know about him.....how comes Christianity started existing 2500+yrs ago?. .

Sure Holiness equals Righteousness

paxonel:
you know this desperate approach is fueling spiritual exploitation in churches today which is not good for Christianity?

A situation where pastors keep telling church members to seek holiness desperately by coming to church always and serve God is shifting their attention and curiosity to what is not necessary.
Hence the pastor will definitely take advantage like a survivor of the fittest and exploit the church members for his personal benefits. Because by psychology, the people does not have sense
So the pastor who does not have any hand work will continue to be richer while the vast majority of the church members who go to work their money and bring offering to church remains poor

To have a clear interpretation of this scripture without any evil intention, Jesus is saying that blessed are those who believe in him for they shall be made holy.

Holiness is simply believing in Christ, that is when your eternal life is sure

no sir...

this is a wrong instruction.

if you believe in Jesus you will be saved. this is the foundation

remember a believer can still be struggling with secret sin.

to be holy like God, you have to be consecrated and forsake a lot of things(secret sin inclusive) that distrct you from true service to HIm.

it is a conscious effort of forsaking old life and asking the holy spirit to help you as you daily seek to please God, this is where you consciously pray and read the bible daily -

TenQ:
Your understanding of spiritual things is disappointingly LOW!
Do you think our clock time operates in the spirit realm!? Time doesn't exist as it is in this world sir!
SMH!

You can be sure that my next thread would be deleted as soon as I post it because Muslims hate the truth

You did not answer my question as I have answered yours without prejudice. I do not intend to open any threads on that, this is why I ask you the question to save me the trouble.




How will Allah judge those who never heard of Islam like the Incas, the Commanches, Cheneyes etc ?

Your understanding of Spiritual knowledge is so HIGH yet you don't know what transpired in the Prison of Judgement? You don't know of the inmates reception to what was preached and it is my own knowledge that is LOW?

Surah An-Nahl (16:36): "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid taghut.' And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers."

That's how everyone will be judged on Judgement Day. Your reception to that message.

ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

Your holiness does not qualify you to enter heaven. No one in the flesh can meet God's standard of holiness to qualify him or her to enter heaven. Jesus is the one who qualifies each believer to enter heaven. Left to you alone, you don't have any righteousness to present before God, because you don't even have any except the righteousness of Jesus. Now, does God allow us to keep on living in sin and still have the hope of heaven. No, God expects you to live according to the grace or level of righteousness He gives to you per time, and keep on striving or hungry for a higher level of righteousnes. He knows you are not perfect yet, you can't live a perfect life just at once, it is a gradual process, but because He has given you His Holy Spirit, a perfect life to say, so He expects you by the help of the Holy Spirit to keep striving and hungry to actuallly live a perfect life of holiness He has given unto you, because you are in Christ. For example, when your baby is less than six months, if he poos on the bed, you don't punish him, because you know he is not matured or wise enough not to do that. But when he is above five years and he poos on the bed, you beat him thoroughly, because you know he is wiser and matured enough not to do that. Thesame thing God does to us, there is a level of holiness He has given you grace to operate at, if you now knowingly fall below that level, He punishes you thoroughly, all you need to do is to ask for forgiveness, He will forgive and you move on again, but He expects you to live above the level He has given to you.

omooba969:
Don't you think when you make a claim, it has to be evidence-based?

That question is to you and to your ancestors to prove

ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

In 2025,africans are still talking about going to heaven ? So you.have not realized That this is a scam? Wow

ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

Which heaven. No be only heaven na Galaxy. Make una all dey deceive yourselves

MrPresident1:
That question is to you and to your ancestors to prove

Lol , funny airheads everywhere.

Lukuluku69:
Stop typing like a bot.

What happens to those who lived and died before Christ came some 2,000 years ago?

Will they get a free pass to Heaven or they all lived in vain?

3kay945:
Others that are not Christians nko...

Seems you dey play too.

Mattswaggz:
Then how comes the ancestors didn't know about him.....how comes Christianity started existing 2500+yrs ago?. .

Na una Sabi...

If you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, then be prepared to join your Ancestors wherever they may be..

But if you truly want to meet with the Father,

Jesus Christ remains the Way, the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

If that statement offend you, then cry to your Ancestors.

ZombieDredd:
no sir...

this is a wrong instruction.

if you believe in Jesus you will be saved. this is the foundation

no scripture in the bible says believing is the foundation.
Rather, John 3:16 says whosever believes in him have eternal life.
Another scripture says it is once and for all

remember a believer can still be struggling with secret sin.

This has nothing to do with holiness.
Holiness is a gift through faith

to be holy like God, you have to be consecrated and forsake a lot of things(secret sin inclusive) that distrct you from true service to HIm.

there are no scriptures to show that consecration to church or forsaking sin makes anyone holy

it is a conscious effort of forsaking old life and asking the holy spirit to help you as you daily seek to please God, this is where you consciously pray and read the bible daily -

Everyone have atleast one thing that they do that is not right whether they do it consciously or unconsciously

Stories given to you to help you fight your sinful nature, live in peace and follow order.

Lukuluku69:
Your understanding of Spiritual knowledge is so HIGH yet you don't know what transpired in the Prison of Judgement? You don't know of the inmates reception to what was preached and it is my own knowledge that is LOW?

Surah An-Nahl (16:36): "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid taghut.' And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers."

That's how everyone will be judged on Judgement Day. Your reception to that message.

I agree with you that I cannot know the unseen beyond the level which I am given. But you quote a Qur'an about the earthly things, surely, you must know better.


Since spiritual understanding include knowledge of things, then If Qur'an 16:36 is indeed true,
Mention just TWO out of over 250 Messengers Allah sent to Nigeria as we have about this number of Nations in Nigeria.

Or better still, just any TWO Messengers from Africa. Don't forget to mention both the name of the Messenger, their Religion and the nation concerned.

Someone said that Allah sent over 124,000 Messengers to the earth, surely you must know the names of the Messengers to China, Europe and America and their religions.


The above questions are about verify available earthly events not fictional claims.

I await your answer please.

MrPresident1:
Is God the God of the dead or the living? Why should anyone see God after death rather than when they are alive? No one sees God at death, it is while alive that you see God

A Phantom to milk the gullible sheep or drink tea with Charlatan Pastors.

It's not holiness.

The answer has to do with accepting Jesus' Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour. If you believe in Him and accept that He died and rose up on the third day, you are saved. I can back it up with scriptures.

ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

You no longer need to thirst after righteousness. You obtain now as a free gift. Our Lord Jesus made that statement before the gift of righteousness was made available. Romans 5:17, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

Holiness is so broad a word that we often limit it to living a sinless life. It also has to do with how you treat people you have the opportunity to meet. Put in another way, be kind to people. Some Christian behave holy but they are very wicked in the manners and ways they relate with others.

Matthew 5 vs 8;
Blessed are the pure on heart, they shall see God.

SlavaUkraini:
Na una Sabi...

If you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, then be prepared to join your Ancestors wherever they may be..

But if you truly want to meet with the Father,

Jesus Christ remains the Way, the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

If that statement offend you, then cry to your Ancestors.

How can ur opinion offend anyone....it's not like you presented any evidence to back it up. .

Kingosytex:
Argue constructively baba. Who told you some people in Nigeria aren't practicing Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism?
I'm using your logic.


Back to the issue, religion is merely a cultural understanding of the supernatural, that is why the Arabians are predominantly Muslims, Indians; predominantly Hindus and Buddhists, Jews; predominantly Judaists, Italians; predominantly Catholics. The only people who search for God outside their culture are Africans and Nigeria being the chief of them.


Notes the word 'predominantly'. Of course, some percentage of the population would practice other religions different from the major ones in that locality.

Like you were told earlier, you'd have probably been a Muslim of were born in Saudi Arabia or even an Islamic family in the north, a catholic if you're an Italian, a judaist if you're an Israeli etc.

This simple common sense escapes Nigerian Christians. They don't use their brains to think.

They are like robots. "Accept Jesus or you will go to hell."

Not a single thought for the billions of humans who have a different spiritual system.

This is why I say Christianity and Islam are evil religions. All they do is sow division, hatred, fear, and lies.

TenQ:
I agree with you that I cannot know the unseen beyond the level which I am given. But you quote a Qur'an about the earthly things, surely, you must know better.


Since spiritual understanding include knowledge of things, then If Qur'an 16:36 is indeed true,
Mention just TWO out of over 250 Messengers Allah sent to Nigeria as we have about this number of Nations in Nigeria.

Or better still, just any TWO Messengers from Africa. Don't forget to mention both the name of the Messenger, their Religion and the nation concerned.

Someone said that Allah sent over 124,000 Messengers to the earth, surely you must know the names of the Messengers to China, Europe and America and their religions.


The above questions are about verify available earthly events not fictional claims.

I await your answer please.

And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all] Quran 40:78.

You want me to name the Prophets/Messengers sent to Africa? Read the above verse again. That said, I don't know the tribe you came from in Africa/Nigeria but I know that it was not the Arabs or Europeans that preached a Divine Being to the Yorubas and I have done a bit of research, what I found out is that, a certain Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects) was preached, who is the Eleda (Creator) Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun who is also the Supreme Being of the Host of Heaven.

I am sure when you research other tribes, someone must have preached the Divine being to them and they are not the Semites.

Mattswaggz:
Then how comes the ancestors didn't know about him.....how comes Christianity started existing 2500+yrs ago?. .

Mr "Jesus" ignored our Ancestors for 2,000 years, only remembering us when the British came to steal, mass murder, colonise, plunder and loot our resources, a century ago.

Suddenly it became REALLY IMPORTANT for us to be "SAVED" BY "Jesus". Courtesy of British invaders and plunderers who burned down our cities.

And then the thieves shoved a "holy book" in your face, with a fake white "savior" for you to worship them as gods while they plunder and loot your resources.

They left 65 years ago and our people are still worshiping them like cursed people.

I really pity people who believe that "Jesus" GARBAGE.

paxonel:
you know this desperate approach is fueling spiritual exploitation in churches today which is not good for Christianity?

A situation where pastors keep telling church members to seek holiness desperately by coming to church always and serve God is shifting their attention and curiosity to what is not necessary.
Hence the pastor will definitely take advantage like a survivor of the fittest and exploit the church members for his personal benefits. Because by psychology, the people does not have sense
So the pastor who does not have any hand work will continue to be richer while the vast majority of the church members who go to work their money and bring offering to church remains poor

To have a clear interpretation of this scripture without any evil intention, Jesus is saying that blessed are those who believe in him for they shall be made holy.

Holiness is simply believing in Christ, that is when your eternal life is sure

The very first step to getting to heaven is to first acknowledge the fact that you're a sinner in need of a savior and then you acknowledge the Lord Jesus as your Lord and savior. When you've done this, you can then seek a life of holiness and purity.

You don't just seek holiness when you've not made peace with God. How can you get His attention when your heart isn't right with Him? Get back to God
Confess your sins and ask Jesus to come into your heart thus experiencing the new birth. Otherwise you'll be praying and seeking holiness for a long time without result

Kushites:
Mr "Jesus" ignored our Ancestors for 2,000 years, only remembering us when the British came to steal, mass murder, colonise, plunder and loot our resources, a century ago.

Suddenly it became REALLY IMPORTANT for us to be "SAVED" BY "Jesus". Courtesy of British invaders and plunderers who burned down our cities.

And then the thieves shoved a "holy book" in your face, with a fake white "savior" for you to worship them as gods while they plunder and loot your resources.

They left 65 years ago and our people are still worshiping them like cursed people.

I really pity people who believe that "Jesus" GARBAGE.

It's a pity
A very real one. Surely you must have not read it in the Bible or when you did, your mind simply couldn't accept it that you now scoff at the Truth. It's a pity!!!!

Lukuluku69:
And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all] Quran 40:78.

You want me to name the Prophets/Messengers sent to Africa? Read the above verse again. That said, I don't know the tribe you came from in Africa/Nigeria but I know that it was not the Arabs or Europeans that preached a Divine Being to the Yorubas and I have done a bit of research, what I found out is that, a certain Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects) was preached, who is the Eleda (Creator) Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun who is also the Supreme Being of the Host of Heaven.

I am sure when you research other tribes, someone must have preached the Divine being to them and they are not the Semites.

So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

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TenQ:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these messages: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

Before you go off the bend as usual, I never mentioned Obatala, Esu Odara, Osun Osogbo in my reply but move closer to the adherents of these people you referenced and ask them about who Eledumare/Olodumare is and learn from them. I am Yoruba, and I don't need any Osun Osogbo person/people to tell me who Eledumare is or who my Eleda (Creator) is.

So, feel free to write your usual stuff. That one no concern me.

Say it loud sir, please say it louder, make it loudest.
They only criterion for going to hell is unbelief.
The most dangerous and Hell bound sin is unbelief.
The salient question is, how do i or what do i believe in . .... The right answer is to believe in Jesus as the Christ, savior, the only way to God and the Son of God

SlavaUkraini:
OP, continue to dey play ▶️

The only thing you need to enter heaven is to believe in Jesus Christ.... That's all

All that your self righteousness and holiness is nothing but a filthy rag in the sight of God..

Jesus Christ is your only Visa to the Father

Lukuluku69:
Before you go off the bend as usual, I never mentioned Obatala, Esu Odara, Osun Osogbo in my reply but move closer to the adherents of these people you referenced and ask them about who Eledumare/Olodumare is and learn from them. I am Yoruba, and I don't need any Osun Osogbo person/people to tell me who Eledumare is or who my Eleda (Creator) is.

So, feel free to write your usual stuff. That one no concern me.

LOL!
These DEITIES are secondary only to Olodumare or Olorun according to the Yoruba.
You don't know that one of these DEITIES would have brought the Names of Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!