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Gbadebo19:
See this guy sha.
Those people you are mentioning are different people in the bedroom.

shoodboi2:
I usually avoid going down this road with you because I know it always leads to endless back and forth that mostly involves you denying history and refusing to acknowledge everything Israel has done before October 7th, but let me make an exception this time.


First:


Hamas invades and attacks Israel, killing hundreds of civilians, also kidnapping dozens more.No condemnation


Before October 7, Israel had completely blockaded Gaza by land, sea, and air, turning it into the world’s largest open air prison.


Before October 7, Israel has been arresting Palestinians and throwing them into prisons for the flimsiest excuses. Before October 7, about half of all Palestinian men have been in Israeli prison at some point of their lives.


Before October 7, seventy percent of Palestinian families have one or more family members in Israeli prisons. Before October 7, hundreds of Palestinian kids had been languishing in Israeli prisons. Half of these kids are imprisoned for no offence, while the other half have been charged for flimsy excuses like “throwing stones” and “participating in protests.”


That is clearly a precedent. If one side feels it is okay to attack and imprison enemy civilians arbitrarily, then the other side will start to consider the enemy’s civilians as fair game. Arab mothers are not the only ones who should lose children.


Israel attacks Gaza to free her citizens in captivity, but according to our friends, Israel set the "Precedent" for civilian casualties in Gaza


Israel has always been attacking Gaza. It routinely launches bombing campaigns and ground raids into Gaza, and has conducted major operations involving large-scale ground invasions, artillery, and airstrikes in 2008, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2021, and 2023.


During those attacks, Israel killed thousands of Palestinians and destroyed thousands of homes. So, Israel did not “attack” Gaza after October 7. Israel has always attacked Gaza.


You are also forcefully trying to inject "precedent" here. Israel is the one killing Palestinians in Gaza. So, you cannot say it set a precedent for killing people in Gaza.


Without provocation, Hazebolla joins the party fires rockets into northern Israel, killing and maiming scores of Israelis.. "No condemnation.


Hezbollah did not join Hamas to fire into “northern Israel” as you claim. Hezbollah waited a whole day before firing into the Israeli positions in the Lebanese-owned Shebaa farms on October 8. Israel fired back and both sides started their own war.


There is nothing to condemn here except to tell Israel to return Lebanon’s territory to it. Or did God also promise Shebaa farms to Israel 3000 years ago? Israel is holding onto Lebanon’s land and you expect me to condemn Lebanon? Nope. It won’t happen. Israel should return Shebaa farms to Lebanon.


Israel retaliate, then attacks Lebanon, but guess what?? according to our "experts" Israel sets the "precedents" for civilians deaths in labenon


Again, you are trying to force “precedents” into the conversation. I know you are trying to justify Israel killing Lebanese civilians. What stopped Israel from attacking Hezbollah? Why does Israel have to turn on Lebanese civilians?


Or are you going to say Hezbollah is hiding under Lebanese homes as you all often claim with Hamas? Or do you consider Israel killing Lebanese civilians as “necessary killings” as you do with Palestinians? Israel should focus on Hezbollah and not on civilians.


Yemen, hundreds of miles from the Israeli coast, the Houthis without any form of provocations by the Jews attacks Israel and starts firing ballistic missiles into Israel


Yemen started bombing Israel after Israel started its ground invasion into Gaza. The US and UK and EU and many Arab countries were already supporting Israel at this point and were sending weapons and surveillance aircraft. So, why is it a problem if the Houthis offer the same help to Palestinians?


The Jews are forced to attack back at the Houthis, but guess who stated the "Precedent" for the civilian casualties in Yemen?? The same Jews who were only responding to projectiles fired by the Houthis


“The Jews are forced”? Why are you replacing Israelis with Jews? And again, you are trying to justify Israel killing Yemeni civilians. Is there a reason Israel cannot focus on the Houthis instead of going after civilians every time. Fight men like you and leave civilians out of it.


Russia invaded Ukraine, levelled entire cities, displaced thousands of civilians, forcefully deported thousands of children, systematically, and deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure.


took Ukraine sovereign lands and economic assets. Yet one fellow believes that it was the same Ukrainians who set the "Precedent" for the killings and destruction going on in both countries


You are cherry picking again. Talk about everything that happened before Russia entered Ukraine in 2022. Let us start from the Euromaidan protests of 2014 when Ukraine’s neonazi movements like the Right Sector & Azov attacked pro-Russia Ukrainian civilians who protested against Euromaidan.


One of the most gory incidents was the Odessa Trade Union house fire of 2014 where pro-EU Ukrainians surrounded their fellow pro-Russia Ukrainians who had camped in the Trade Union house in Odessa and set it on fire. That is clearly a precedent.


With that said, I am always willing to talk to you if you are going to talk about what Israel has been doing since before October 7 as well as what Ukraine has been doing before Russia invaded in 2022.


If you do not want to talk about history, then I am not interested. We should be factual and not cherry pick.

Scorpio99:
Up there is one loonertik writing n0nsense about what Israel did before October 7. Before Israel started those arrests sand blockades, didn't Hamas and other terrorist groups attacked Israel? Did Israel upon its independence just started arresting Palestinians and throwing them into prisons?

The precedence starts exactly from who started everything since Israel got its independence.

If they had accepted to live peacefully with their neighbours, very likely the matter wouldn't escalate to this point. For reference same, the first war Israel fought after its independence was the 1948 Arab Israel war, the very first year Israel got its independence. There is no need to go into history, everyone knows how it has been going since then.

Michaeltreasure:
I'll give shoodboi his credit, he knows how to interprete political events. But the level of twisting he does when explaining events is legendary! Al Jazeera should locate and quickly employ this guy. Mennnnn! The guy and LordAdam are too good. Imagine someone saying Hamas won in this case? And explaining his points so convincingly that I almost fell for it.

Shoodboi2, twale for you. Jokes apart, I respect your opinion and constantly look forward to your political interpretations, although I disagree with most of them ...

WriterrNg:
⚡ Hamas source to Al Arabiya:

We have agreed to hand over weapons to a Palestinian-Egyptian body under international supervision.

We informed America of our agreement to hand over weapons.

obedience4:
The "Gift of the Nile" Egypt one of the highest recipient of US military aid and a crucial ally of the US in the middle-east is going to be the designated meeting spot for indirect talks between Israel and Hamas.

But, but, but i thought it was the same Egypt one fellow here said was gearing up and wanted to invade Gaza and take on Israel!!🤣🤣🤣

Although the bible tells us that in the last days there will be rumours of wars, the kind of rumours in this thread is scary!!

Every week there is a new war brewing on the thread. This makes me reminisced about one of of my favourite novels in my junior secondary school days One Week One Trouble by Anezi Okoro

One week One War!!

WriteerNg:
⚡Zelensky has called for a unilateral ceasefire in the air.

“[b]A unilateral ceasefire in the sky is possible, and it could open the way to real diplomacy. America and Europe must act to force Putin to stop,” wrote the head of the Kyiv regime on his TG channel.

A unilateral ceasefire means Ukraine continues striking our refineries and logistics while we calmly observe everything as bystanders, coldly recording the losses.

This is no longer mere audacity — it’s extreme audacity!

And it can only be countered by even greater boldness on our part, writes MIG Russia. [/b]

shoodboi2:
The Nobel Peace prize is just five days away. Trump has been screaming about winning it all year. He has even credited himself for ending multiple wars he didn’t even negotiate just so he can win it.

Trump believes an Israel-Hamas peace deal will get him closer to the peace prize. Both sides (Israel and Hamas) have to say yes. Multiple countries (great powers, EU countries, Arab & ME countries, and "Islamic" countries) also have to approve the deal, or at least, release a statement supporting it.

To get enough countries to approve his peace deal, he drafted a deal favorable to Israel and Hamas and showed it to them. Once they agreed, he allowed Israel to modify it to get a yes from Nethanyahu. Then Hamas was the only one left.

Hamas knows very well that this is the wrong time to piss a narcissist president off. A No was off the table. If they say No and Trump loses the prize, he will assume Hamas was the reason he lost, and the end result of such won’t be good.

But Hamas cannot say yes to such a deal that only favors Israel and disbenefits them. So, they turned to using a mix of realpolitik, doublespeak, and legalese.

Realpolitik - Political decisions based on reality and practicality rather than morality or ideology.

Doublespeak - Ambiguous language politicians use to deflect what you are saying.

Legalese - Formal and complex language lawyers use to make it difficult for the layman to understand.

The ability to understand that Trump wants a Yes because he wants a peace prize is realpolitik on its own. Realpolitik is not something non-state actors are known for. Even many countries do not generally know how to engage in realpolitik.

PIJ, the second largest group in Gaza, already fell for the trap and rejected the deal outright. If Hamas had said No the same way PIJ did, Trump would have put the heat on them. And God forbid he loses the peace prize. He will blame it on them.

But they handled it smartly and Trump has now turned the heat on Israel instead and is calling on them to stop bombing Gaza.

WriteerNg:
⚡Zelensky has called for a unilateral ceasefire in the air.

“A unilateral ceasefire in the sky is possible, and it could open the way to real diplomacy. America and Europe must act to force Putin to stop,” wrote the head of the Kyiv regime on his TG channel.

A unilateral ceasefire means Ukraine continues striking our refineries and logistics while we calmly observe everything as bystanders, coldly recording the losses.

This is no longer mere audacity — it’s extreme audacity!

And it can only be countered by even greater boldness on our part, writes MIG Russia.

Vl3ly:
🇺🇸🇮🇹- The USS Gerald R. Ford carrier strike group is now operating within the western Mediterranean sea alongside an Italian, Thaon di Revel class patrol vessel.

obedience4:
The "Gift of the Nile" Egypt one of the highest recipient of US military aid and a crucial ally of the US in the middle-east is going to be the designated meeting spot for indirect talks between Israel and Hamas.

But, but, but i thought it was the same Egypt one fellow here said was gearing up and wanted to invade Gaza and take on Israel!!🤣🤣🤣

Although the bible tells us that in the last days there will be rumours of wars, the kind of rumours in this thread is scary!!

Every week there is a new war brewing on the thread. This makes me reminisced about one of of my favourite novels in my junior secondary school days One Week One Trouble by Anezi Okoro

One week One War!!

SonOfWords:
People like you are primarily the reason a lot of nairaland users are abandoning the platform.

You make it a point of duty to amplify toxicity on a routine basis, killing whatever value one hopes to find herein.

You give yourself too much credit and it colours you as an individual with self-esteem issues.

obedience4:
Russia attacks a civilian train some few hours ago, is this how a moral army who don't want civilian casualties operate??

Cc
FoolishBoy419

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18gxQXoYDn/

WriterrNg:
⚡Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC, Brigadier General Pakpour, visited IRGC units stationed in the Persian Gulf operational area.

The Commander-in-Chief was pictured observing an American aircraft carrier in the surveillance room, and looking at critical oil & gas infrastructure in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The visit is largely symbolic, serving as a message to the United States and Arab countries that Iran will no longer exclude the Strait of Hormuz and oil infrastructure from its options or calculations in case of a new war.