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TenQ:
LOL!
These DEITIES are secondary only to Olodumare or Olorun according to the Yoruba.
You don't know that one of these DEITIES would have brought the Names of Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lol

Deity don't set themselves up, adherents do. Just like the Nicene Creed set up your Jesus as a rival to the One that sent him. Are you that slow to know that?

The same way you don't know whether Jesus mission to the prison of Judgement was a success or a failure is the same way I don't know whether it is the Osun people or the Osugbo people that preached the name Eledumare.

Kushites:
Mr "Jesus" ignored our Ancestors for 2,000 years, only remembering us when the British came to steal, mass murder, colonise, plunder and loot our resources, a century ago.

Suddenly it became REALLY IMPORTANT for us to be "SAVED" BY "Jesus". Courtesy of British invaders and plunderers who burned down our cities.

And then the thieves shoved a "holy book" in your face, with a fake white "savior" for you to worship them as gods while they plunder and loot your resources.

They left 65 years ago and our people are still worshiping them like cursed people.

I really pity people who believe that "Jesus" GARBAGE.

I really wonder why it's so hard for them to see through all that made up stuff of which was used against them to some extent.

Mattswaggz:
Then how comes the ancestors didn't know about him.....how comes Christianity started existing 2500+yrs ago?. .

At the Appointed time..... God became Flesh and dwelt amongst us...

John 3: 16

Now that the father has sent his son to us, if you refuse to believe in him as the way, you will have yourself to blame.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Deity don't set themselves up, adherents do. Just like the Nicene Creed set up your Jesus as a rival to the One that sent him. Are you that slow to know that?

The same way you don't know whether Jesus mission to the prison of Judgement was a success or a failure is the same way I don't know whether it is the Osun people or the Osugbo people that preached the name Eledumare.

Please do not flee as usual hoping to avoid my questions. You made a claim , please justify it if it's not another conjecture of Islam. This are EVENTS on Earth and not the unseen: surely, you must have an answer except it's just another Islamic baseless fable

According to you, Allah sent Messengers to the Yoruba race and these Messengers introduced the names Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.


So, according to the Yoruba, the some of the names of Messengers of Olodumare or Olorun or Eleda are Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo

So, which one of these Messengers brought the Yoruba Name of Allah to the Yoruba race?

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?



Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lukuluku69
Antichristian
Sterope
Can you tell me why you pray this اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ endlessly five times a day and till tomorrow, the prayer hasn't been answered?


Have you considered that your endless repeating of this unanswered prayer has a permanent solution if indeed you are serious about the prayer and it is not a mere repetition and rhetoric in the words

فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الطَّرِيقُ وَالْحَقُّ وَالْحَيَاةُ. لَا يَأْتِي أَحَدٌ إِلَى الآبِ إِلّا بِي.

If this your request in prayer has been answered, why repeat it five times tomorrow?

SlavaUkraini:
At the Appointed time..... God became Flesh and dwelt amongst us...

John 3: 16

Now that the father has sent his son to us, if you refuse to believe in him as the way, you will have yourself to blame.

I'd rather me be an Atheist than believe in some biased and unloving god.....so all those that died before this quote you coined from that book you view is holy....what will become of them and why did the god of u are talking about appear amongst a specific set of people/race?.

God through his creation has shown to be constant,unbiased,the author of diversification and equality......that one you're talking about is most likely a man made idea. .

You ask why Muslims pray to be guided to the straight path every day. But perhaps your real question should have been: why does anyone pray at all?

People pray for health, for success, for protection, or simply for strength to do what is right. In Islam, that daily prayer X 5 is a reminder that righteousness isn’t a fixed state because life isn't, and life is about continuous striving; it’s something you keep working towards. The Qur’an repeats that faith/righteousness is not words alone but consistent and continuos actions guided by sincerity and humility.

Muslims ask for guidance every day because we recognise how easily people can lose their way. Even believers, no matter how devout, can drift from truth without constant reflection and discipline. It is beyond repetition but a constant spiritual reminder that every choice, every moment, can either align us with truth or pull us away from it.

Interestingly, the your Bible carries a similar principle: “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” That line from the Lord’s Prayer mirrors the same human need for continuous guidance and moral steadiness as well.

Again, your question doesn’t surprise me. Debates with certain Christians are always revealing, they either ask questions that make you wonder whether they’ve truly read the Bible, or ones that sound more like the arguments of atheists like this question.

TenQ:
Lukuluku69
Antichristian
Sterope
Can you tell me why you pray this اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ endlessly five times a day and till tomorrow, the prayer hasn't been answered?


Have you considered that your endless repeating of this unanswered prayer has a permanent solution if indeed you are serious about the prayer and it is not a mere repetition and rhetoric in the words

فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الطَّرِيقُ وَالْحَقُّ وَالْحَيَاةُ. لَا يَأْتِي أَحَدٌ إِلَى الآبِ إِلّا بِي.

If this your request in prayer has been answered, why repeat it five times tomorrow?

TenQ:
Lukuluku69
Antichristian
Sterope
Can you tell me why you pray this اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ endlessly five times a day and till tomorrow, the prayer hasn't been answered?


Have you considered that your endless repeating of this unanswered prayer has a permanent solution if indeed you are serious about the prayer and it is not a mere repetition and rhetoric in the words

فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الطَّرِيقُ وَالْحَقُّ وَالْحَيَاةُ. لَا يَأْتِي أَحَدٌ إِلَى الآبِ إِلّا بِي.

If this your request in prayer has been answered, why repeat it five times tomorrow?

Why do you repeat the Lord's Prayer if the last one you recited has been answered?

Let us start from there.

TenQ:
Lukuluku69
Antichristian
Sterope
Can you tell me why you pray this اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ endlessly five times a day and till tomorrow, the prayer hasn't been answered?


Have you considered that your endless repeating of this unanswered prayer has a permanent solution if indeed you are serious about the prayer and it is not a mere repetition and rhetoric in the words

فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الطَّرِيقُ وَالْحَقُّ وَالْحَيَاةُ. لَا يَأْتِي أَحَدٌ إِلَى الآبِ إِلّا بِي.

If this your request in prayer has been answered, why repeat it five times tomorrow?

Matthew 6:9-15 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The Prayer above is it to be recited just once in a Christian life? Daily? Monthly? Annually?

Sterope:
You ask why Muslims pray to be guided to the straight path every day. But perhaps your real question should have been: why does anyone pray at all?

People pray for health, for success, for protection, or simply for strength to do what is right. In Islam, that daily prayer X 5 is a reminder that righteousness isn’t a fixed state because life isn't, and life is about continuous striving; it’s something you keep working towards. The Qur’an repeats that faith/righteousness is not words alone but consistent and continuos actions guided by sincerity and humility.

Muslims ask for guidance every day because we recognise how easily people can lose their way. Even believers, no matter how devout, can drift from truth without constant reflection and discipline. It is beyond repetition but a constant spiritual reminder that every choice, every moment, can either align us with truth or pull us away from it.

Interestingly, the your Bible carries a similar principle: “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” That line from the Lord’s Prayer mirrors the same human need for continuous guidance and moral steadiness as well.

Again, your question doesn’t surprise me. Debates with certain Christians are always revealing, they either ask questions that make you wonder whether they’ve truly read the Bible, or ones that sound more like the arguments of atheists like this question.

Satan tempts everyday isn't it?
But we are not lost everyday!

You probably do not understand the context of the guidance as it is revealed in verse 7
Quran 1:7
The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided
It isn't daily guidance sir.


Truthfully answer these question:
1. Is the straight path not that which leads straight to Allah and subsequently paradise?
2. Would you admit that as a Muslim you are on a wrong path and thus, you need guidance to the right path?


For clarification of what the PATH is,

Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking


Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a straight path."

Except you have no clue to what this path is!

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 6:9-15 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The Prayer above is it to be recited just once in a Christian life? Daily? Monthly? Annually?

The prayer here is not similar at all.

Satan tempts everyday, but you are lost, thus you have to pray
Quran 1:6
Guide us to the straight path.



Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking


Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a straight path."

Except you have no clue to what this path is!

If you are surely on the straight path already, there is no need praying to be on this path.

As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

TenQ:
The prayer here is not similar at all.

Satan tempts everyday, but you are lost, thus you have to pray
Quran 1:6
Guide us to the straight path.



Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking


Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a straight path."

Except you have no clue to what this path is!

If you are surely on the straight path already, there is no need praying to be on this path.

As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

The malady is back. Full swing.

Lukuluku69:
Why do you repeat the Lord's Prayer if the last one you recited has been answered?

Let us start from there.

In this manner pray!

Everything listed are daily needs.

You cannot be lost everyday day or even five times a day.

Secondly, the verses are not even supposed to be recited as prayers: they are GUIDES on how to pray.

Jesus said:
In this manner pray....

This is a powerful and necessary reminder of the vital importance of holiness. I deeply agree that without holiness, "no man shall see the Lord."

Where I find a helpful balance is in understanding the source of that holiness. I don't believe we achieve a holiness on our own that we then present to God as our ticket to heaven. Rather, the holiness of Christ, received by faith, is the only thing that takes us to heaven. But the holiness that God Himself produces in us—which we see in that hunger for righteousness and a transformed life—is the necessary evidence that we are going to heaven.

It’s the journey of sanctification, powered by the gift of salvation. Our "hunger and thirst" is our response to the grace He has already given, and His promise is that we will indeed be filled.

Do not think that I forgot my question Mr Lukuluku69


Please do not flee as usual hoping to avoid my questions. You made a claim , please justify it if it's not another conjecture of Islam. This are EVENTS on Earth and not the unseen: surely, you must have an answer except it's just another Islamic baseless fable

According to you, Allah sent Messengers to the Yoruba race and these Messengers introduced the names Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.


So, according to the Yoruba, the some of the names of Messengers of Olodumare or Olorun or Eleda are Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo

So, which one of these Messengers brought the Yoruba Name of Allah to the Yoruba race?

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?



Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lukuluku69:
The malady is back. Full swing.

What a nomenclature "malady".
Am I the undesirable condition causing suffering or trouble to you!?

My question again
As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking?

TenQ:
What a nomenclature "malady".
Am I the undesirable condition causing suffering or trouble to you!?

My question again
As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking?

They can't answer, they will run away that's how they do. It's their Mo🥱.

Nice work. Keep exposing such lies!

Gabrielshow24:
They can't answer, they will run away that's how they do. It's their Mo🥱.

Nice work. Keep exposing such lies!

Thanks my brother!

Before you know it, this thread is deleted.

Instead of thinking about the fact that a religion with so many flaws like this cannot be from God, they fight to defend the Al-Makr and the best human being on earth.

LOL

Mattswaggz:
I'd rather me be an Atheist than believe in some biased and unloving god.....so all those that died before this quote you coined from that book you view is holy....what will become of them and why did the god of u are talking about appear amongst a specific set of people/race?.

God through his creation has shown to be constant,unbiased,the author of diversification and equality......that one you're talking about is most likely a man made idea. .

Go ahead with your Atheist beliefs... No one cares..

Before Jesus Christ came, men have walked with God the Father and he took them...

After the revelation of the Son of God, the only access to the Father is now through his Son Jesus Christ that payed the Ultimate Price for mankind on the Cross...

If you will not accept Christ as your lord and savior, that is your headache...

So Mr Atheist continue to bask in your unbelief

SlavaUkraini:
Go ahead with your Atheist beliefs... No one cares..

Before Jesus Christ came, men have walked with God the Father and he took them...

After the revelation of the Son of God, the only access to the Father is now through his Son Jesus Christ that payed the Ultimate Price for mankind on the Cross...

If you will not accept Christ as your lord and savior, that is your headache...

So Mr Atheist continue to bask in your unbelief

You mean the revelation that was done to a specific group of people on a specific location in the world....you are telling to submit to a limited god that couldn't get his message to all his creations....pls who's you guys dealer.😅.

Savior from what?.

Mattswaggz:
You mean the revelation that was done to a specific group of people on a specific location in the world....you are telling to submit to a limited god that couldn't get his message to all his creations....pls who's you guys dealer.😅.

Savior from what?.

Jesus Christ remains the Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him...

He was revealed in Israel but his impact and saving Grace is felt globally today through the propagation of the Gospel

He died on the Cross to save you from Eternal Damnation that you would face due to your Atheist beliefs unless you repent and accept his finished work on the Cross of Calvary

Repent today or be separated from the Father for eternity

With him, the best thing is to give him a full reply for educating others who might come across his post then ignore.

A man who is hell bent on arguing the meaning of ALLAH is a man not willing to learn, even if tomorrow he pretends to agree. He also likes, shifting from post to post, thinks himself knowledgeable but does a fine job of either not knowing the Bible or asking atheist questions. At least, if he calls himself as atheist, we will know him better.

Lukuluku69:
The malady is back. Full swing.

SlavaUkraini:
Jesus Christ remains the Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him...

He was revealed in Israel but his impact and saving Grace is felt globally today through the propagation of the Gospel

He died on the Cross to save you from Eternal Damnation that you would face due to your Atheist beliefs unless you repent and accept his finished work on the Cross of Calvary

Repent today or be separated from the Father for eternity

Jesus Christ remains ur "the Way the Truth and the Life".

Eternal damnation from being exactly the way everyone was born.😅....this crack must be so strong. Hardly was anyone born with the knowledge of any religion so why should they be punished for maintaining their natural method of existence?.

You guys are so funny.

Kushites:
Mr "Jesus" ignored our Ancestors for 2,000 years, only remembering us when the British came to steal, mass murder, colonise, plunder and loot our resources, a century ago.

Suddenly it became REALLY IMPORTANT for us to be "SAVED" BY "Jesus". Courtesy of British invaders and plunderers who burned down our cities.

And then the thieves shoved a "holy book" in your face, with a fake white "savior" for you to worship them as gods while they plunder and loot your resources.

They left 65 years ago and our people are still worshiping them like cursed people.

I really pity people who believe that "Jesus" GARBAGE.

Meanwhile the authors of the so-called New Testament are anonymous.

Nobody knows who wrote the "gospels".

The names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are fabricated names.

The church doesn't actually deny this.

It's the height of ignorance to be a Christian.

Mattswaggz:
Jesus Christ remains ur "the Way the Truth and the Life".

Eternal damnation from being exactly the way everyone was born.😅....this crack must be so strong. Hardly was anyone born with the knowledge of any religion so why should they be punished for maintaining their natural method of existence?.

You guys are so funny.

The joke will be on you, when you meet your maker when your time here on earth is over...

You will have to explain to him why you rejected his saving grace that was extended to you through his Son Jesus Christ...

You may explain to him the kind of crack that was sold to you that made you ignored the Gospel and Jesus Christ...

SlavaUkraini:
The joke will be on you, when you meet your maker when your time here on earth is over...

You will have to explain to him why you rejected his saving grace that was extended to you through his Son Jesus Christ...

You may explain to him the kind of crack that was sold to you that made you ignored the Gospel and Jesus Christ...

Same thing someone from another religion told me......he said I will face his god if I refuse to accept his fairytale.....this format don cast find another one....you guys are on par with comedians seriously.😅.

Mattswaggz:
Same thing someone from another religion told me......he said I will face his god if I refuse to accept his fairytale.....this format don cast find another one....you guys are on par with comedians seriously.😅.

Jesus Christ remains the Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Kushites:
You are WRONG.

NOBODY needs to "BELIEVE IN" anything or anybody in order to return home to the Land of the Ancestors, which you call "heaven".

We are POWERFUL IMMORTAL BEINGS.

God made flesh in temporal human bodies.

When the body expires we return home, with our consciousness and awareness intact and expanded to our pre-birth state.

In the Land of the Ancestors, Thought creates reality. There are mansions sitting in the sky. Some on the ground. If you want a 50 room mansion of gold, you simply think about it and it materialises before you.

You are all very powerful immortal beings.

All loved by God.

When you return home you will remember it all again.

Before you were born they put a "veil of forgetting" over you so that your knowledge wouldn't interfere with your mission in this incarnation.

You actually chose your parents and the life path you would lead, and even the country you would be born in. These were best for your mission be it to teach, learn, or both.

You would have had a guide (chi) with you, as you worked out your new Earth life.

Where did you get all these information from?

chieveboy:
Just he a loving person.

What is not written in the Bible is information about heaven. For instance, there are Gazillions of levels in just the first heaven.

People go to the one their love Balance-Sheet matches with.

A person who is naturally angry and sad will gravitate to a matching heaven which has that emotions as it's signature.

There is not ojoro or favoritism when it comes to reality or the Ultimate God, like just making a statement before your die to accept x and x and then proceed to a heaven incompatible with your heart.

source of this information please.

Jokerman:
This will happen after the White throne judgement.

And to be qualified for the promised earth a person needs to be washed by the Blood Of Jesus and His righteousness

So where do people who have died go to before the white throne judgement?