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Akaekpuchionwa2:
🇮🇱❌🇵🇸🇵🇸 Yedioth Ahronoth:
“Hamas will not give up its weapons—not now, not in the near future—until a Palestinian state is established.

Hamas will not be destroyed, defeated, or wiped out, and the complete victory Netanyahu promised in the past remains an empty slogan”.

De Play. The major condition for this peace deal is total elimination of Hamas from running things in Palestine.

Sportsweb:
shows you that 1 israeel life worth 200 Palestinians 💔

He didn't think about the interpretation of that maths; he was busy focusing on the ratio instead of its interpretation

BlueRayDick:
I don't believe she jumped voluntarily to her death, I think the robbers only decided to go with the narrative already going round in the media.

In my own personal opinion, I think they may have attempted to molest her and in the struggle with them she fell to her death. The robbers definitely know that if they state things the way it happened, they won't only be facing charge of armed robbery but multiple charges of murder/manslaughter. They will rather spend their life in prison instead of getting the death sentence. (bar the guy who confessed to killing the security guard)

Another angle, not quite what I was thinking. In fact, on deeper reflection I completely disagree with your stance

Make I articulate my thoughts. Pls follow me reason.

1. I think she jumped off the balcony herself without any struggle. (I assume it was from the balcony because windows typically have burglary proof bars). Fear and panic can make people do that under threat conditions. Moreso, under extreme panic situations, adrenaline kicks in and the distance of the ground from a third floor balcony can suddenly appear like the distance from a car rooftop.

2. The media, eye witness, neighbours, robbers confession and police reports are all consistent in one thing - that she jumped. None reported signs of struggle or attempted molestation/assault. Also, if a/the robber(s) did try to molest her, she would have been overpowered and held in the living room/bedroom and wouldn't have made it to the balcony that she jumped from.

3. Your alignment with media narrative theory no add up. It assumes the robbers are intelligent and gives them too much credit. I mean, there is no incentive for them to adopt the media narrative.We all know the police did not extract the confession from the robbers across table interview or by promising lighter incarceration time like we see in movies. Those robbers were tortured and put through excruciating pain, and under such condition will not have the presence and clarity of mind to to align their story with the public version.

4. Your assertion that the robbers gave false confession to avoid charges of manslaughter/murder too no follow. Again, it gives too much credence to the robbers. I suspect they're illiterate or of little education. and I doubt dem sabi law like that. I also think under the law, armed robbery resulting in death attracts the death penalty in Nigeria.. So there's no real advantage in the robbers claiming she jumped and they tried to stop her unless its true

Finally, I know I'd get flak for this, but the fact that only the security guard (who was shot for trying to prevent the entry of the robbers) and Miss Somto who jumped from her 3rd floor apartment died in the whole 3-storey twin apartments building leads me to conclude that she'd be alive today if she hadn't panicked and jumped.


Cc: Sportsweb

https://www.nairaland.com/8536177/breaking-professor-amupitan-inec-chairman

This one Ododo is saying he is a man of integrity. If his integrity will not be enough to disqualify Tinubu for forged certificate, then he has none.

His first assignment is to disqualify Tinubu.

semid4lyfe:
Another angle, not quite what I was thinking. In fact, on deeper reflection I completely disagree with your stance

Make I articulate my thoughts. Pls follow me reason.

1. I think she jumped off the balcony herself without any struggle. (I assume it was from the balcony because windows typically have burglary proof bars). Fear and panic can make people do that under threat conditions. Moreso, under extreme panic situations, adrenaline kicks in and the distance of the ground from a three-story balcony can suddenly appear like the distance from a car rooftop.

2. The media, eye witness, neighbours, robbers confession and police reports are all consistent in one thing - that she jumped. None reported signs of struggle or attempted molestation/assault. Also, if a/the robber(s) did try to molest her, she would have been overpowered and held in the living room/bedroom and wouldn't have made it to the balcony that she jumped from.

3. Your alignment with media narrative theory no add up. It assumes the robbers are intelligent and gives them too much credit. I mean, there is no incentive for them to adopt the media narrative.We all know the police did not extract the confession from the robbers across table interview or by promising lighter incarceration time like we see in movies. Those robbers were tortured and put through excruciating pain, and under such condition will not have the presence and clarity of mind to to align their story with the public version.

4. Your assertion that the robbers gave false confession to avoid charges of manslaughter/murder too no follow. Again, it gives too much credence to the robbers. I suspect they're illiterate or of little education. and I doubt dem sabi law like that. I also think under the law, armed robbery resulting in death attracts the death penalty in Nigeria.. So there's no real advantage in the robbers claiming she jumped and they tried to stop her unless its true

Finally, I know I'd get flak for this, but the fact that only the security guard (who was shot for trying to prevent the entry of the robbers) and Miss Somto who jumped from her 3rd floor apartment died in the whole 3-storey twin apartments building leads me to conclude that she'd be alive today if she hadn't panicked and jumped.


Cc: Sportsweb

The reason you have fire drills etal is to train people in how to react in an emergency. Eg have a plan to hide in the ceiling. In 1998/9 we were robbed in ilorin. The robbers made short work of the burglary proof (civil state artisans) but before they finally breached the window, we retreated to the kitchen store and hid there. The robbers possibly limited themselves to the bedroom, but long story short, they did not find us.

Four hours later we came out. I guess my mother may have had that plan in her head all along because she is the one who made us retreat there.

Have a plan for a robbery attack.

It is the same way people were jumping out of windows in that uba adjacent tragedy.

semid4lyfe:
Another angle, not quite what I was thinking. In fact, on deeper reflection I completely disagree with your stance

Make I articulate my thoughts. Pls follow me reason.

1. I think she jumped off the balcony herself without any struggle. (I assume it was from the balcony because windows typically have burglary proof bars). Fear and panic can make people do that under threat conditions. Moreso, under extreme panic situations, adrenaline kicks in and the distance of the ground from a three-story balcony can suddenly appear like the distance from a car rooftop.

2. The media, eye witness, neighbours, robbers confession and police reports are all consistent in one thing - that she jumped. None reported signs of struggle or attempted molestation/assault. Also, if a/the robber(s) did try to molest her, she would have been overpowered and held in the living room/bedroom and wouldn't have made it to the balcony that she jumped from.

3. Your alignment with media narrative theory no add up. It assumes the robbers are intelligent and gives them too much credit. I mean, there is no incentive for them to adopt the media narrative.We all know the police did not extract the confession from the robbers across table interview or by promising lighter incarceration time like we see in movies. Those robbers were tortured and put through excruciating pain, and under such condition will not have the presence and clarity of mind to to align their story with the public version.

4. Your assertion that the robbers gave false confession to avoid charges of manslaughter/murder too no follow. Again, it gives too much credence to the robbers. I suspect they're illiterate or of little education. and I doubt dem sabi law like that. I also think under the law, armed robbery resulting in death attracts the death penalty in Nigeria.. So there's no real advantage in the robbers claiming she jumped and they tried to stop her unless its true

Finally, I know I'd get flak for this, but the fact that only the security guard (who was shot for trying to prevent the entry of the robbers) and Miss Somto who jumped from her 3rd floor apartment died in the whole 3-storey twin apartments building leads me to conclude that she'd be alive today if she hadn't panicked and jumped.


Cc: Sportsweb

You think she would jump down to the robbers? What makes sense is if they were already closing in on her and probably making obscene gestures?

She would not have jumped unless she considers it the last resort to save herself.

This is not some random lady. This is someone who is very much exposed.

Whichever way, never try to defend evil.

As for the bolded, while it may sound true, it may not necessarily be true. S long as someone was shot dead, another person could also have been a victim.

[color=royalblue]Those guys tried to rape her, and she jumped.

Shikena![/color]

GloriousGbola:
The reason you have fire drills etal is to train people in how to react in an emergency. Eg have a plan to hide in the ceiling. In 1998/9 we were robbed in ilorin. The robbers made short work of the burglary proof (civil state artisans) but before they finally breached the window, we retreated to the kitchen store and hid there. The robbers possibly limited themselves to the bedroom, but long story short, they did not find us.

Four hours later we came out. I guess my mother may have had that plan in her head all along because she is the one who made us retreat there.

Have a plan for a robbery attack.

It is the same way people were jumping out of windows in that uba adjacent tragedy.

Egbon, abeg no vex but wetin you dey try talk and how e take relate to my post? Kindly oblige me with a response and break it down like ABC for my comprehension. Ese gan.

@semid4lyfe I don't want to quote the entire post because I see others have quoted same.

I honestly don't think she jumped simply because she was about to be robbed. You made assertions about eyewitness accounts but I doubt if there was indeed any eyewitness in the real sense of the word. I don't think the other occupants of the building who were getting robbed simultaneously would have time to peep to see whether the lady was about to be molested before she fell to her death or whether he just jumped of her own volition.

It's actually a very strange behavior that she would jump to her death to avoid losing valuables to robbers. Maybe when their trial starts we would get more details of what really transpired that night.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Those guys tried to rape her, and she jumped.

Shikena![/color]

You don drift into speculation cos there's no factual evidence for this.

https://www.nairaland.com/8536071/when-another-man-sleeps-wife

Lol

BlueRayDick:
@semid4lyfe I don't want to quote the entire post because I see others have quoted same.

I honestly don't think she jumped simply because she was about to be robbed. You made assertions about eyewitness accounts but I doubt if there was indeed any eyewitness in the real sense of the word. I don't think the other occupants of the building who were getting robbed simultaneously would have time to peep to see whether the lady was about to be molested before she fell to her death or whether he just jumped of her own volition.

It's actually a very strange behavior that she would jump to her death to avoid losing valuables to robbers. Maybe when their trial starts we would get more details of what really transpired that night.

Were any of the other female occupants of the building physically molested?

semid4lyfe:
Were any of the other female occupants of the building physically molested?

No, but that could be because of the tragedy that had already happened which forced the robbers to leave hurriedly.

If you read the report of the police especially the part that talked about how much the robbers shared amongst themselves from the proceeds of the robbery you will see that it was an insignificant amount which suggests the operation was not a successful one as a result of the tragedy that happened.

She may have been the first victim of the rape or maybe it was the set of robbers alloted to her wing of the building that went rogue by trying to take advantage of her. ( The initial report says the robbers divided themselves into groups in order to speed up the robbery)

semid4lyfe:
You don drift into speculation cos there's no factual evidence for this.

[color=royalblue]You sef check am nau.

The story doesn't add up about her jumping to her death. She saw robbers who just wanted to rob, and then she decided that killing herself was better?

Odiegwu

The part where one of them was trying to save her even validates my speculation. Armed robber wan save ke? What was he even doing close to her at the balcony?

The confrontation went beyond robbery for her. She panicked and jumped.[/color]

semid4lyfe:
Egbon, abeg no vex but wetin you dey try talk and how e take relate to my post? Kindly oblige me with a response and break it down like ABC for my comprehension. Ese gan.

Her jumping from the window if not because of attempted ra pe was likely due to panic.

This is the same reason those heirs house casualties jumped from the window. Panic


A reason for fire drills is to prepare people to take the right action in a fire emergency.

In the same vein it is important to have a plan for fire or robbery in your house. When you do, you will not panic but take measured steps. Eg identify a hiding place in your home beforehand.

Planning cannot solve everything, but it can make your response easier.

I used our case as an example. The robbers started breaking through a window. When they were half way through we retreated to a store in the house.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You sef check am nau.

The story doesn't add up about her jumping to her death. She saw robbers who just wanted to rob, and then she decided that killing herself was better?

Odiegwu

The part where one of them was trying to save her even validates my speculation. Armed robber wan save ke? What was he even doing close to her at the balcony?

The confrontation went beyond robbery for her. She panicked and jumped.[/color]

When you see a gang with ammunitions coming your way, You dont know what they "Just" want to do as you no dey their minds

She might have assumed they were coming to assassinate her and no option is off the table if you think your life is at risk.

In a panic, That is also not the time for detailed logical well thought out plans

raumdeuter:
When you see a gang with ammunitions coming your way, You dont know what they "Just" want to do as you no dey their minds

She might have assumed they were coming to assassinate her and no option is off the table if you think your life is at risk.

That is also not the time for detailed logical well thought out plans

[color=royalblue]For women?

It was not her own house. It was a block of apartments. A security had already been shot, so already everybody has gotten the memo.

If truly she wanted to jump out of fear, how come a robber was close by to save her, but her weight was much?

You came to steal and kill, and still came with compassion to save?

We have seen and heard these kind of stories especially for females. Group of men come to steal, and after stealing, they decide to enjoy themselves with the helpless female [/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]For women?

It was not her own house. It was a block of apartments. A security had already been shot, so already everybody has gotten the memo.

If truly she wanted to jump out of fear, how come a robber was close by to save her, but her weight was much?

You came to steal and kill, and still came with compassion to save?

We have seen and heard these kind of stories especially for females. Group of men come to steal, and after stealing, they decide to enjoy themselves with the helpless female [/color]

My point is that she probably didnt know what was on their mind, seeing gun totting men who had already shot someone was enough warning to her. If they enter her room then she can rightly assume they were also coming to kill her.

When cultists came to our school, By the time you hear gunshot close to your floor, Many people jumped from 2nd floor even if the cultists ended up not going to their room or they were not even the target since they didnt know the mind of the killers

In such situations many people have done worst things just to escape, In the face of danger to your life, you will do anything even if some might think its not sensible. They were not in your shoes

Some people actually jumped from World Trade center many floors up when they faced what seemed to them like sure death

izzou:
[color=royalblue]For women?

It was not her own house. It was a block of apartments. A security had already been shot, so already everybody has gotten the memo.

If truly she wanted to jump out of fear, how come a robber was close by to save her, but her weight was much?

You came to steal and kill, and still came with compassion to save?

We have seen and heard these kind of stories especially for females. Group of men come to steal, and after stealing, they decide to enjoy themselves with the helpless female [/color]

It's cocck and bull story that she wanted to jump and a robber tried to Save her. It's a badly written work of fiction if u ask me

BlueRayDick:
It's cocck and bull story that she wanted to jump and a robber tried to Save her. It's a badly written work of fiction if u ask me

She tried to jump = Possible

Robber tried to save her = Unlikely

Segedinho:
Nah.

Removing Oba of Benin is 💯 impossible.....there is no way or method they can think of.

The Bini Oba is not contestable neither is it political...it is actually passed from generation to generation from a single lineage and the "heir"must be the first born of the king.


It has no political affiliation at all,and I can tell u of a truth,the binis respects and adores the king more than anyone.


Igbinedion would have long be d Oba, if there was any loophole b4 now.

Dey play. If the governor truly wants to, he will remove the oba of benin, and nothing will happen.

raumdeuter:
My point is that she probably didnt know what was on their mind, seeing gun totting men who had already shot someone was enough warning to her. If they enter her room then she can rightly assume they were also coming to kill her.

When cultists came to our school, By the time you hear gunshot close to your floor, Many people jumped from 2nd floor even if the cultists ended up not going to their room or they were not even the target since they didnt know the mind of the killers

In such situations many people have done worst things just to escape, In the face of danger to your life, you will do anything even if some might think its not sensible. They were not in your shoes

Some people actually jumped from World Trade center many floors up when they faced what seemed to them like sure death

[color=royalblue]So what was the robber doing close to her nau? How did he appear there to save?

There are women that would rather die, than let a man man forcefully have sex with them.

This is someone who has a wedding in December, and then seeing 21 to 23 year old boys with weapons.....If it was just robbery, you think she wouldn't just give up her belongings and live?
[/color]

BlueRayDick:
It's cocck and bull story that she wanted to jump and a robber tried to Save her. It's a badly written work of fiction if u ask me

[color=royalblue]We have seen these stories repeatedly.

Group of men go to rob. After robbing, they see a helpless female that they can feast on.

She jumped from her balcony, but a robber was already there to save her.

Superman![/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So what was the robber doing close to her nau? How did he appear there to save?

There are women that would rather die, than let a man man forcefully have sex with them.

This is someone who has a wedding in December, and then seeing 21 to 23 year old boys with weapons.....If it was just robbery, you think she wouldn't just give up her belongings and live?
[/color]

Robbers don already shoot someone, They are entering her room, She doesn't know what is on their mind. It might range from Shooting, murdering macheting, rape, slap or obtaining. Thre are many options there in her mind

Savior story is from the robber likely with intention to get a softer sentence by appearing to be nice

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You sef check am nau.

The story doesn't add up about her jumping to her death. She saw robbers who just wanted to rob, and then she decided that killing herself was better?

Odiegwu

The part where one of them was trying to save her even validates my speculation. Armed robber wan save ke? What was he even doing close to her at the balcony?

The confrontation went beyond robbery for her. She panicked and jumped.[/color]

Baba, the rape angle no make sense rara. If the robbers had tried to molest her, there would have been noise, struggle, torn clothing, signs of force/physicality but none of that was mentioned anywhere.

You probably underestimate how disoriented she was during the robbery. She panicked, adrenaline kicked in, she wasn't thinking straight and she jumped out of fear for her life, and not because the robbers tried to rape her.

Until there’s a report pointing to sexual assault, the rape theory is just speculation built on emotion, not fact.

raumdeuter:
She tried to jump = Possible

Robber tried to save her = Unlikely

So the people who would lie that they tried to Save her could not also be telling lies about she jumping?

Those claiming she jumped are making assumptions that can easily be invalidated with the cocckk and bull story of robbers attempting to become super hero.

semid4lyfe:
Baba, the rape angle no make sense rara. If the robbers had tried to molest her, there would have been noise, struggle, torn clothing, signs of force/physicality but none of that was mentioned anywhere.

You probably underestimate how disoriented she was during the robbery. She panicked, adrenaline kicked in, she wasn't thinking straight and she jumped out of fear for her life, and not because the robbers tried to rape her.

Until there’s a report pointing to sexual assault, the rape theory is just speculation built on emotion, not fact.

This is similar to what I have been trying to say, when faced with certain situations you dont settle to think it through, Its just to make a decision and hope you are right

Robbers are here. Its only later we know they are robbers after money, at that point she might be thinking they are assassins

semid4lyfe:
Baba, the rape angle no make sense rara. If the robbers had tried to molest her, there would have been noise, struggle, torn clothing, signs of force/physicality but none of that was mentioned anywhere.

You probably underestimate how disoriented she was during the robbery. She panicked, adrenaline kicked in, she wasn't thinking straight and she jumped out of fear for her life, and not because the robbers tried to rape her.

Until there’s a report pointing to sexual assault, the rape theory is just speculation built on emotion, not fact.

[color=royalblue]So how did the robber get to the balcony to save her?

I mean...We are going with the story, right?

How come we have a robber trying to save the victim, and he was already at the balcony?[/color]

BlueRayDick:
So the people who would lie that they tried to Save her could not also be telling lies about she jumping?

Those claiming she jumped are making assumptions that can easily be invalidated with the cocckk and bull story of robbers attempting to become super hero.

The story about her jumping didnt come from the robbers, That story has been out since day 1 before the robbers were caught, Its the robbers after they were caught that brought the savior angle into it