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TenQ:
For Christians, Jesus Himself is the Way, Truth and Life


Islam doesn't take Mohammed as the way, truth or life as Christians. In fact, in Islam, Allah himself is ON this way.

Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord (Allah) is on a straight path."

In Hinduism, there is no concept of the Way, Truth and Life to paradise as paradise doesn't exist in Hinduism, Reincarnation and ultimately Nirvana is their destination through different kinds of Yoga.


Even the most heretical Christian cult or organisation believe that JESUS is the Way, the Truth and Life.

There exist no other Religion in the universe where their God came and made himself a sacrifice for humanity that people should be saved apart from Christianity!

There goes the problem with u again....I said "Similar" not "exact" which I clarified earlier and you're still dragging the talk backwards.

Similar in the sense that the both preach that their beliefs system is the only way to eternal salvation....anything other than what they preach wouldn't make the cut.....same applies to certain Christian factions as well.

Mattswaggz:
I don't believe in ur made up concept of God.... I've already told you the God that I know....if you want me to believe what you're telling me then I'll need evidences for all ur claims. .

And I cannot remember the concept of the God you claim to know...

So I may need a reminder 🎗️🎗️🎗️

Mattswaggz:
There goes the problem with u again....I said "Similar" not "exact" which I clarified earlier and you're still dragging the talk backwards.

Similar in the sense that the both preach that their beliefs system is the only way to eternal salvation....anything other than what they preach wouldn't make the cut.....same applies to certain Christian factions as well.

.How can they be similar when they are so vastly different?

It's like saying a Chicken and a Human being are similar! Does this make sense to you!?

BTW:
Only Christians teach that their WAY is the Only way to Paradise.

Muslims include among those who will enter paradise as Jews, Sabians and Christians apart from Muslims.
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Hindus don't have any paradise.

TenQ:
.How can they be similar when they are so vastly different?

It's like saying a Chicken and a Human being are similar! Does this make sense to you!?

BTW:
Only Christians teach that their WAY is the Only way to Paradise.

Muslims include among those who will enter paradise as Jews, Sabians and Christians apart from Muslims.
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Hindus don't have any paradise.

Are you a Muslim?. .

SlavaUkraini:
And I cannot remember the concept of the God you claim to know...

So I may need a reminder 🎗️🎗️🎗️

Check my previous reply to you.

Mattswaggz:
Are you a Muslim?. .

I am not a Muslim although, I almost converted into Islam at some point in my life but backed out after studying Islam thoroughly.
I am a Christian saved by the Grace in Christ Jesus.

TenQ:
I am not a Muslim although, I almost converted into Islam at some point in my life but backed out after studying Islam thoroughly.
I am a Christian saved by the Grace in Christ Jesus.

You're making false claims about Islam.

Moslems believe that the very core of Christianity as a belief is blasphemous to their God so how would you claim that they believe that Christian can go to paradise?.

They don't believe that any other religious practice can lead to paradise except 1slam.... you can ask any Muslim to confirm....just like Christians don't believe that good deeds is enough to take one to paradise moslems also don't.

As for the verse you put up there....similar can be gotten from the Bible as well.....Revelation 20:12-13: "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ... And they were judged, each one according to his works".

The verse above is talking about Judgement based on deeds.....also this one....Matthew 25:35-40, where Jesus describes a future judgment, stating, "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat... whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me". .

Mattswaggz:
You're making false claims about Islam.

They don't believe that any other religious practice can lead to paradise except 1slam.... you can ask any Muslim to confirm....just like Christians don't believe that good deeds is enough to take one to paradise moslems also don't.

As for the verse you put up there....similar can be gotten from the Bible as well.....Revelation 20:12-13: "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ... And they were judged, each one according to his works".

The verse above is talking about Judgement based on deeds.....also this one....Matthew 25:35-40, where Jesus describes a future judgment, stating, "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat... whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me". .

Did I say anything to you about Islam without EVIDENCE?

It is not about how you want the interpretation of the evidence to be, it is about what indeed the evidence says.

So, what did Allah say in
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness


So, tell me what happens to those who are not in these FIVE categories?

Mattswaggz:
Moslems believe that the very core of Christianity as a belief is blasphemous to their God so how would you claim that they believe that Christian can go to paradise?.

The Islamic beliefs is often at variance with the Islamic texts. I go with what their texts say rather than what they claim to believe as a consensus.

Islam is a patchwork of unsubstantiated claims that change by the consensus of interpretation of their scholars. The basis of Islam is the REJECTION of Trinity and it's substitution with Taoheed. Unknown to Muslims, the Taoheed by itself is a stupid doctrine that reduces Allah to the level of Iblis.

The same Quran even claimed that ALL Muslims will initially enter hell fire before they are eventually removed by Allah.

1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to Enter the Fire
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL the Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire

2. Mohammed says that even Babies (who are supposed to be Muslims by Birth can go to Hell)
a. Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435:
Narrated Aisha:
A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

b. Sahih Muslim 2662c : Book 46, Hadith 47
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


When Aisha expresses her belief and expectation of happiness for the child that died, Muhammad disagrees and instead states that God has created some people for Hell.
Obviously, this includes children: should children enter the fire of Hell?

TenQ:
Did I say anything to you about Islam without EVIDENCE?

It is not about how you want the interpretation of the evidence to be, it is about what indeed the evidence says.

So, what did Allah say in
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness


So, tell me what happens to those who are not in these FIVE categories?


The Islamic beliefs is often at variance with the Islamic texts. I go with what their texts say rather than what they claim to believe as a consensus.

Islam is a patchwork of unsubstantiated claims that change by the consensus of interpretation of their scholars. The basis of Islam is the REJECTION of Trinity and it's substitution with Taoheed. Unknown to Muslims, the Taoheed by itself is a stupid doctrine that reduces Allah to the level of Iblis.

The same Quran even claimed that ALL Muslims will initially enter hell fire before they are eventually removed by Allah.

1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to Enter the Fire
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL the Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire

2. Mohammed says that even Babies (who are supposed to be Muslims by Birth can go to Hell)
a. Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435:
Narrated Aisha:
A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

b. Sahih Muslim 2662c : Book 46, Hadith 47
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


When Aisha expresses her belief and expectation of happiness for the child that died, Muhammad disagrees and instead states that God has created some people for Hell.
Obviously, this includes children: should children enter the fire of Hell?

The verse said those who "were" though not those who "are"......so it doesn't indicate the believe that those sects will enter paradise without being a Muslim.

And like I said....even the Bible has similar verses that talks about entering paradise by good deeds but all Christians will tell you it's only through Christ.

Mattswaggz:
The verse said those who "were" though not those who "are"......so it doesn't indicate the believe that those sects will enter paradise without being a Muslim.

Let me go with you, those who WERE Jews. Sabians and Christians before Islam.

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?

Islam is always problematic no matter how you look at it.

If Babies in Islam can go to hell, how can an adult Muslim claim he has the way to Paradise?

Mattswaggz:
And like I said....even the Bible has similar verses that talks about entering paradise by good deeds but all Christians will tell you it's only through Christ.

No sir! Complete falsehood!

For Christians paradise is only by Grace because they Have Faith in Jesus.
Eph 2:8:
"For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God,"
Eph 2:9:
"not of works, lest anyone should boast."

The magnitude of your reward thereafter appreciate or depreciate according to your works.

1Cor 3:12-15:
"And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare [it], because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is. If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire."

TenQ:
Let me go with you, those who WERE Jews. Sabians and Christians before Islam.

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?

Islam is always problematic no matter how you look at it.

If Babies in Islam can go to hell, how can an adult Muslim claim he has the way to Paradise?


No sir! Complete falsehood!

For Christians paradise is only by Grace because they Have Faith in Jesus.
Eph 2:8:
"For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God,"
Eph 2:9:
"not of works, lest anyone should boast."

The magnitude of your reward thereafter appreciate or depreciate according to your works.

1Cor 3:12-15:
"And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare [it], because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is. If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire."

It all ends at they must be Muslims at death before making it to paradise.

Secondly....face the verses I pulled up and stop bringing up contradictory ones because that's what y'all books are filled with.....contradictions and inconsistencies.

Mattswaggz:
It all ends at they must be Muslims at death before making it to paradise.

So, you've suddenly changed your mind about the use of "WERE" by Allah.!?

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?

Mattswaggz:
Secondly....face the verses I pulled up and stop bringing up contradictory ones because that's what y'all books are filled with.....contradictions and inconsistencies.

It is understandable if humans have contradictions or even errors but can Allah make contradictions and Errors?

I am just showing you from your own religious books how messed up Islam is. Do you admit that Islam is problematic?

Let's look at the scripture you brought up.

Rev 20:11-13:
"And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, [which is] the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works."

But this is the judgement of the Unbelievers at the second resurrection. Here God still judges the evil ones according to their works

According to the Bible, there are TWO resurrections,
1. Resurrection of the Believers
2. Resurrection of the Unbelievers

Evidence:
Rev 20:4-5:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."


Rev 20:6:
"Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years."

So. The punishment of Ritual Killers and Murderers wouldn't be the same as the ignorant person that lived according to his good conscience in hell.

Do you think that God is UNJUST!?






So, now that I have corrected your misunderstanding,

1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

TenQ:
So, you've suddenly changed your mind about the use of "WERE" by Allah.!?

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?



It is understandable if humans have contradictions or even errors but can Allah make contradictions and Errors?

I am just showing you from your own religious books how messed up Islam is. Do you admit that Islam is problematic?

Let's look at the scripture you brought up.

Rev 20:11-13:
"And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, [which is] the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works."

But this is the judgement of the Unbelievers at the second resurrection. Here God still judges the evil ones according to their works

According to the Bible, there are TWO resurrections,
1. Resurrection of the Believers
2. Resurrection of the Unbelievers

Evidence:
Rev 20:4-5:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."


Rev 20:6:
"Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years."

So. The punishment of Ritual Killers and Murderers wouldn't be the same as the ignorant person that lived according to his good conscience in hell.

Do you think that God is UNJUST!?






So, now that I have corrected your misunderstanding,

1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

The use of "WERE" still stands.....and also why do you guys like making false assumptions/claims.....when did I tell u I am a Moslem?.

In Islam....regardless of ur past once you convert you can go to paradise just like Christianity doesn't consider a persons past.

And as for all those explanations you put up there I can also get explanations for all the verses you use against 1slam from Moslems to discredit all your claims......It the normal way of y'all religious folks. .

Mattswaggz:
The use of "WERE" still stands.....and also why do you guys like making false assumptions/claims.....when did I tell u I am a Moslem?.

So, can you please explain how those who WERE Moslems and Jews and Sabians and Christians were going to paradise because
BEFORE Islam, The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?

Mattswaggz:
In Islam....regardless of ur past once you convert you can go to paradise just like Christianity doesn't consider a persons past.

WERE is not the same as IS sir.
If you convert to Islam you CEASE to be a Christian or Jew or Sabians.


So. Allah should just have said,

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who are Muslims and believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

It seems my Qur'an is better than that of Mohammed. Is the above not a representation of what you wish Allah say? Is it not a clear speech devoid of conjured re-interpretations?

Mattswaggz:
And as for all those explanations you put up there I can also get explanations for all the verses you use against 1slam from Moslems to discredit all your claims......It the normal way of y'all religious folks. .

Please go ahead, no one is stopping you.

But before then, answer my questions.
1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

TenQ:
So, can you please explain how those who WERE Moslems and Jews and Sabians and Christians were going to paradise because
BEFORE Islam, The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?



WERE is not the same as IS sir.
If you convert to Islam you CEASE to be a Christian or Jew or Sabians.


So. Allah should just have said,

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who are Muslims and believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

It seems my Qur'an is better than that of Mohammed. Is the above not a representation of what you wish Allah say? Is it not a clear speech devoid of conjured re-interpretations?


Please go ahead, no one is stopping you.

But before then, answer my questions.
1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

Anyone who converts before their death is fit for paradise.....simple as that...I don't know what else you want me to tell you.

As for the questions....it just seems like you're trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.....I never made any claims about their god being a god of Justice....the god they preach isn't much different from the one you're preaching and I don't believe either to be the true nature of God as we can see in his Nature and His creation.

Mattswaggz:
Anyone who converts before their death is fit for paradise.....simple as that...I don't know what else you want me to tell you.

Why are you changing the WERE to IS?
Stick with the grammar

Mattswaggz:
As for the questions....it just seems like you're trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.....I never made any claims about their god being a god of Justice....the god they preach isn't much different from the one you're preaching and I don't believe either to be the true nature of God as we can see in his Nature and His creation.

So, you are even ignorant of the religion of Islam.

Have a nice night!

TenQ:
Why are you changing the WERE to IS?
Stick with the grammar


So, you are even ignorant of the religion of Islam.

Have a nice night!

"Were" indicates past tense.

Those who were something are no longer that thing at the point of making such statement.

Telling me I know nothing about 1slam doesn't mean you know any better than me as regards that topic. .

Mattswaggz:
"Were" indicates past tense.

Those who were something are no longer that thing at the point of making such statement.

Telling me I know nothing about 1slam doesn't mean you know any better than me as regards that topic. .

So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?

Did you even read any Islamic Tafsir on this verse before commenting?

SMH!

TenQ:
So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?

Did you even read any Islamic Tafsir on this verse before commenting?

SMH!

What does the word "Were" mean to start with?. .... isn't it a past tense?.

Mattswaggz:
What does the word "Were" mean to start with?. .... isn't it a past tense?.

This was why I asked you the question

So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?


Does it even make sense?
Those who were Muslims....!

So, what are they now in the present tense?

TenQ:
This was why I asked you the question

So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?


Does it even make sense?
Those who were Muslims....!

So, what are they now in the present tense?

Lol....isn't the verse you quoted still there. .

After the "were" word....it made specific mentions of some religion and 1slam wasn't among....so what's your point?.

Mattswaggz:
Lol....isn't the verse you quoted still there. .

After the "were" word....it made specific mentions of some religion and 1slam wasn't among....so what's your point?.

Read the verse again. There were
1. Two sets of people ( the Muslims and The Jews, Christians with Sabians )
2. Four groups mentioned all in the past tense ( the Muslims, the Jews, Christians with Sabians )

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness



What is the meaning of AND as used in the verse?

So, my question again!
IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense?
*If according to you, the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present.





Islam is always problematic anyhow you look at it!
SMH!

TenQ:
Read the verse again. There were
1. Two sets of people ( the Muslims and The Jews, Christians with Sabians )
2. Four groups mentioned all in the past tense ( the Muslims, the Jews, Christians with Sabians )

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness



What is the meaning of AND as used in the verse?

So, my question again!
IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense?
*If according to you, the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present.





Islam is always problematic anyhow you look at it!
SMH!

What's so hard to understand there.

Indeed all those who believed (Muslims) AND those who "were" not those who are ooo....from the other mentioned religion will be eligible for paradise.

Ur categories is wrong as well.
-those who believed(Muslims)
-AND those who "WERE" in the other religions.
-And the Final nail in the coffin still layed emphasis of the very first point(believing in their god and the last days).


Since the word "Were" was attached to them in the verse....it means that they are Muslims in the present according to the verse if not....the word "Are" is what should be attached to them.

The other Abrahamic religion u believe in is also problematic.....I've seen tons of verses that can be twisted to serve Negative purposes and also some contradictory ones as well.

To make things clear....1salm just like Christianity believes that what they preach is the only way to eternal life....anything else isn't it to both of them.

Mattswaggz:
What's so hard to understand there.

Indeed all those who believed (Muslims) AND those who "were" not those who are ooo....from the other mentioned religion will be eligible for paradise.

Ur categories is wrong as well.
-those who believed(Muslims)
-AND those who "WERE" in the other religions.
-And the Final nail in the coffin still layed emphasis of the very first point(believing in their god and the last days).


Since the word "Were" was attached to them in the verse....it means that they are Muslims in the present according to the verse if not....the word "Are" is what should be attached to them.

The other Abrahamic religion u believe in is also problematic.....I've seen tons of verses that can be twisted to serve Negative purposes and also some contradictory ones as well.

To make things clear....1salm just like Christianity believes that what they preach is the only way to eternal life....anything else isn't it to both of them.

Let me go with you.

Isn't this verse stupid by itself?

Why the verse
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

When it could have read

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
– whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

It looks like the author is below average in coherence of speech

Thirdly,
On Grammar as you are playing drama games

Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness –


Why would those who Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness enter paradise?


Note:
I have agreed with you by the grammar BUT then you must apply the grammar throughout the verse.

TenQ:
Let me go with you.

Isn't this verse stupid by itself?

Why the verse
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

When it could have read

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
– whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

It looks like the author is below average in coherence of speech

Thirdly,
On Grammar as you are playing drama games

Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness –


Why would those who Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness enter paradise?


Note:
I have agreed with you by the grammar BUT then you must apply the grammar throughout the verse.

These are different words and are applicable in different scenarios.....To say someone believed something doesn't mean the person doesn't believe that thing presently unless there is an indicator that the person doesn't.

For Instance...."He believed that the earth was flat" means he agreed with it and he is most likely still with that belief.

To say he is no longer with that belief you'll need some more words to your statement like..."He believed the man was innocent until he saw the evidence".

Believed is a past tense for believe but using it doesn't necessarily mean the person you're talking about in question with the beliefs have dropped them......you'll have to indicate that they no longer hold such beliefs.....to believe something is a state of mind...when you picked the belief matters less because it stays with you....it's when you dropped it that matters and it should be indicated.

For instance someone can say "For he believed that Christianity is the way" ......this very tense doesn't indicate whether you've left Christianity behind or not....infact it tends towards you still being a Christian.....until you add something like "but not anymore" or "until he converted.

So I can see nothing much wrong with that verse. .

Mattswaggz:
These are different words and are applicable in different scenarios.....To say someone believed something doesn't mean the person doesn't believe that thing presently unless there is an indicator that the person doesn't.

For Instance...."He believed that the earth was flat" means he agreed with it and he is most likely still with that belief.

To say he is no longer with that belief you'll need some more words to your statement like..."He believed the man was innocent until he saw the evidence".

Believed is a past tense for believe but using it doesn't necessarily mean the person you're talking about in question with the beliefs have dropped them......you'll have to indicate that they no longer hold such beliefs.....to believe something is a state of mind...when you picked the belief matters less because it stays with you....it's when you dropped it that matters and it should be indicated.

For instance someone can say "For he believed that Christianity is the way" ......this very tense doesn't indicate whether you've left Christianity behind or not....infact it tends towards you still being a Christian.....until you add something like "but not anymore" or "until he converted.

So I can see nothing much wrong with that verse. .

Sorry sir!

Be consistent with the Grammar!

Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness –

You did not even address (the first use of believe in the verse) those who Believed (Muslims) also past tense.

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Be consistent with the use of your grammar
Believed is Past is Past Tense
Just as
Were is Past Tense


So, my question again!
IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believed ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense?
*If according to you, the verse means that the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present to enter paradise.

TenQ:
Sorry sir!

Be consistent with the Grammar!

Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness –

You did not even address (the first use of believe in the verse) those who Believed (Muslims) also past tense.

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Be consistent with the use of your grammar
Believed is Past is Past Tense
Just as
Were is Past Tense


So, my question again!
IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believed ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense?
*If according to you, the verse means that the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present to enter paradise.

Did you go to school?....If yes.
Do you Understand English?....I want to know if I should just stop here because I can't be schooling someone who isn't even ready to learn.

The verse you posted is in English and everything I explained to you can be confirmed to some extent by anyone who understands English....so if you need re-schooling or schooling as a whole....you know where to look and I am not sure it's here on Nairaland.

Mattswaggz:
Did you go to school?....If yes.
Do you Understand English?....I want to know if I should just stop here because I can't be schooling someone who isn't even ready to learn.

The verse you posted is in English and everything I explained to you can be confirmed to some extent by anyone who understands English....so if you need re-schooling or schooling as a whole....you know where to look and I am not sure it's here on Nairaland.

Let me show you proper English grammar

Jn 3:16:
"“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

Believes is Present-Continous tense unlike the grammar blunders of your Qur'an.


All I ask is that he consistent in the application of Grammar Rules

Truthseeker10:
Explain James 2:26 below.

26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

James 2:1 MY BRETHREN, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons

First of, none of the writers of the new testament called someone a brother if they were not saved.

Hence this chapter is not a chapter talking about salvation, the people being addressed are already saved.

This chapter covers Christian service and how having faith alone which is enough for salvation is not enough for profitable works

TenQ:
Let me show you proper English grammar

Jn 3:16:
"“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

Believes is Present-Continous tense unlike the grammar blunders of your Qur'an.


All I ask is that he consistent in the application of Grammar Rules

I've told you already to stop saying that "ur 1slam"......I didn't create it and neither do I have anything to do with it....so I don't know what you're up to.

And again.....if you don't understand English you know where to look and it isn't here on Nairaland....and if you still think what you're saying is right present ur facts from reputable sources like the dictionary,Google or AI.

There is nothing wrong with that usage of English.

Mattswaggz:
I've told you already to stop saying that "ur 1slam"......I didn't create it and neither do I have anything to do with it....so I don't know what you're up to.

And again.....if you don't understand English you know where to look and it isn't here on Nairaland....and if you still think what you're saying is right present ur facts from reputable sources like the dictionary,Google or AI.

There is nothing wrong with that usage of English.

I will continue to *** you with Islam until sense enters you that Islamabad is a fabric cation based on copied nuggets of the TRUTH and an assembly of lies disguised as TRUTH.

All I ask is that you be consistent with the use of Grammar! Is that too much to ask!?

How come Alla hu seems not to be able to say anything in a non-ambiguous and clear manner? He requires faithfuls like you to re-interprete his words to mean what he didn't say.