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TheBizGenius:
No matter how proficient you are in mathematics, you would know you can't find an average of 2x + 4y. Why? They have different variable quantities and therefore different entities.

If, and I say this with my full chest, if he has covered 1km and it happens to have a bridge, then the average cost would be gargantuan and ridiculous to anyone hearing it and would not be reflective of what the average cost of the project would be in the long run.

PS
I never said he wasn't dodging explaining the question. I even made a comment somewhere that he could have simply explained better.

There is something call an average cost in mathematics
Umahi should tell us
He is an engineer

TheBizGenius:
I validate what you have said.

As a civil servant, he should have simply said, "So far, this is how much we have spent".

But he can't use that amount to appropriately explain the cost per km.

It's different projects muddled together.

It's sand filling, bridge work, cement work etc. You can't find an average of all of that together.

You can't be building a house and use the cost of when laying the foundation (which may be tiny) as average when you will still spend massively on the decking part when the time comes. You talk of average when the project is the same all through.

Any average figure can be explained appropriately.

See ehn, you know when the lady journalist, I think Ayo, asked about a website for tracking completion in terms of work done, kilometers achieved and funds spent so far? The figures he is dodging can be calculated from there, tracked until completion. The figure at the instant of completion is what Umahi wants to rather give, knowing well that it can't be arrived at until completion.

TheBizGenius:
I have a first degree in mechanical engineering and I am disappointed in what Makinde said.

If you have a road project that transverses

A. over marshy areas and you have to sand fill,

B. over water and you have to build a bridge and

C. over hard soil and you simply lay your asphalt on it,

how do you get the average cost of such a project?

But I also understand that Umahi dey hide figures to dey chop as naija politician anyway but professionally, he is right.

Make I no even mention the Arise broadcaster own. Mtchew.

Does this thing you said really make sense. Then they should not be a budget for the construction of the road. It should become an open cheque contract since they are not aware of situations they will meet on the way. Even in planning you plan for contingencies.
Nothing was not taken into cognisance. You factored all the problem and cost them. They are aware of the path they are following and are aware of the challenges they will meet on different occasions.
So the contractors can wake up tomorrow and say I did not know we will meet rock on the way at a particular part so the money should be increased. Then again he comes I did not know we will meet this situation here please will need increment and it goes on and on.
What about the once that has been completed why didn't use that to calculate possible averages at different areas.

004gist:
You don't know how much is cost per km?
At least give us average let's know

Answer: I am your senior both in governance and age. You have no right to question my integrity or the integrity of the job I do.

damosade:
In as much am not a supporter of this government . I think we must be knowledgeable enough about project management and when it comes to road construction you don't give an exact amount because it is subjected to changes in accordance with the state of the economy that js why it is always . estimated. Cost , budgeting and contractual type plays a lot in determining the cost.

who is asking the Guyman to give the actual cost, who said it ?? he is just beating around the bush mischievously just not to answer the question

If he says it, they will never be able to defend it, the are nothing but thieves

My own question is what figure did you quote for the bank you borrowed from ? . How did they arrive at the amount they borrowed you for the project ?

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

You are not smart at all. Does this thing you said really make sense. Then they should not be a budget for the construction of the road. It should become an open cheque contract since they are not aware of situations they will meet on the way. Even in planning you plan for contingencies.
Didn't the contractor see those terrain before submitting the quotations for the job. Are they not supposed to know what they are likely to see as the go further. Was survey not done.
Everything was taken into cognisance. You factored all the problem and cost them. They are aware of the path they are following and are aware of the challenges they will meet on different occasions.
So the contractors can wake up tomorrow and say I did not know we will meet rock on the way at a particular part so the money should be increased. Then again he comes I did not know we will meet this situation here please will need increment and it goes on and on.
What about the once that has been completed why didn't use that to calculate possible averages at different areas.

TheBizGenius:
No matter how proficient you are in mathematics, you would know you can't find an average of 2x + 4y. Why? They have different variable quantities and therefore different entities.

If, and I say this with my full chest, if he has covered 1km and it happens to have a bridge, then the average cost would be gargantuan and ridiculous to anyone hearing it and would not be reflective of what the average cost of the project would be in the long run.

PS
I never said he wasn't dodging explaining the question. I even made a comment somewhere that he could have simply explained better.

That's exactly what was expected of him. Any average person knows in business that the average cost is meant to reduce after the 1km you have referenced. That is what averages do.

Let's assume not everyone knows, drop the figure and the addendum that explains the figure which will be subject to change as the project progresses.

ogascomax:
Does this thing you said really make sense. Then they should not be a budget for the construction of the road. It should become an open cheque contract since they are not aware of situations they will meet on the way. Even in planning you plan for contingencies.
Nothing was not taken into cognisance. You factored all the problem and cost them. They are aware of the path they are following and are aware of the challenges they will meet on different occasions.
So the contractors can wake up tomorrow and say I did not know we will meet rock on the way at a particular part so the money should be increased. Then again he comes I did not know we will meet this situation here please will need increment and it goes on and on.
What about the once that has been completed why didn't use that to calculate possible averages at different areas.

And finally, I meet someone who is willing to state where the real issue is. Kudos to your intelligence, sir.

The issue is that we don't know the project design, the project scope etc. We just know say "Bridge go dey, sandfill go dey, train go dey, etc".

Maybe we might even find out that helicopter pad go even dey and it's the costs that's made this project expensive.

The government has hidden that part from the beginning. Una award contract wey nobody understand. Na daily question you dey ask for nah.

U09ce:
Umahi is still dancing around. As uncertain as the quantities of petroleum underground are, subsurface professionals provide estimates each with its corresponding probability of recovery. But here we are with a common road project that's resistant to average cost per kilometer. Lol. Makinde himself is said to have a company where he has executed several projects so he's not to be underrated by 'professor' Umahi.

By the way I guess why he'd refused to reveal the cost is because it'd be indefensible. The cost appears to be far beyond the 4 billion per km that was been purported when the project started.

Put more emphasis on the "indefensible". Because that my friend, is the crux of the matter. 😆

TheBizGenius:
No matter how proficient you are in mathematics, you would know you can't find an average of 2x + 4y. Why? They have different variable quantities and therefore different entities.

If, and I say this with my full chest, if he has covered 1km and it happens to have a bridge, then the average cost would be gargantuan and ridiculous to anyone hearing it and would not be reflective of what the average cost of the project would be in the long run.

PS
I never said he wasn't dodging explaining the question. I even made a comment somewhere that he could have simply explained better.

You would be surprised to find otherwise then.

Besides the vanilla average being requested by the public regarding this small interview, there are at least 19 types I know of and research its best usecase for the suituation at hand. It's simply the getting the best estimate a central value for any venture. I frequently make use of at least 5.

FatherLord:
My own question is what figure did you quote for the bank you borrowed from ? . How did they arrive at the amount they borrowed you for the project ?

The painful thing some people here are defending him like he did not submit quotation for the job. What was in the quotation. Before construction they already know where they want to build the road along. They already know the challenges and their quotation will be based on every situation. If compensation will be done for a particular people you include it there.
So how did they now arrived at the figure for the project.

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

you are saying this to a governor who builds road infrastructure for his people? This statement coming from a no one on a public forum? 🤣

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

Don't mind him. The same Makinde who has used the Circular Road project to plunge Oyo State into huge debt by borrowing recklessly. He has incurred over half a trillion naira debt since he became governor. He who lives in a glass house should not throw a stone.

TheBizGenius:
I have a first degree in mechanical engineering and I am disappointed in what Makinde said.

If you have a road project that transverses

A. over marshy areas and you have to sand fill,

B. over water and you have to build a bridge and

C. over hard soil and you simply lay your asphalt on it,

how do you get the average cost of such a project?

But I also understand that Umahi dey hide figures to dey chop as naija politician anyway but professionally, he is right.

Make I no even mention the Arise broadcaster own. Mtchew.

Oga mechanic we are toddlers, there is no project in this life that does not have estimated cost or average at design stage

2ndly ... relative project like the coastal road completed in lagos can be use to give an estimated cost ... no one will hold it as fact we know its a predicted cost
if you want to build a 5 bed room bungalow now a civil engineers can give you estimsted cost .. its either that or you endup spend more cos of inflation n changes with time ... these are common sensical

All that talk, variances, terrains are different are lame excuses, no one except Actual cost buh there will always be a Budget or projected estimated cost

Please i need a civil engineer to tell i am wrong ...

jamafa:
Watin concern Tinubu with DX trend 😂

If U guys never talk Tinubu 😂

Unah body no go calm 😂

It's thread not trend my dear Agbadorian.

yongg:
You will be surprised to find otherwise then.

Besides the vanilla average being requested by the public regarding this small interview, there are at least 19 types I know of and research it's best usecase for the suituation at hand. It's simply the getting the best estimate a central value for any venture. I frequently make use of at least 5.

I feel the issue is Umahi knows what he is saying in his head but he's not a good communicator. Most engineers are not actually. I know this for a fact.

Maybe he needs someone like you who understands what he is saying but can also interpret it in lay man's terms. That's what the "Oyinbos" have; each project always have a spokesperson who may not be the lead engineer. (Most times, he/she is not).

Note:
I am staying on the fence concerning his motive for keeping the total figures spent so far a secret.

CharlotteFlair:
Put more emphasis on the "indefensible". Because that my friend is crux of the matter. 😆

Lols, they think we won't notice.

I will do a comparative cost analysis between the proposed Cairo-CapeTown Highway to this Lagos-Calabar more carefully when I get the time.

I know they will want to wine by saying, oh, the concrete road is more expensive than flexible pavement and that it is going to incorporate a railway in it but like they say follow the money, it will reveal things.

Manny21:
Continue to fire back fire for fire. This guy is a clown

“I am his senior both in governance and in engineering practice. So, anything he doesn’t understand, he should call me and ask."

He has not changed. Very proud and arrogant

I am actually looking at the future where this man will try to seek the presidency, that is when people will know that the ibos do not support nonsense.

Maxymilliano:
https://punchng.com/umahi-fires-back-at-makinde-over-lagos-calabar-highway-cost/?fbclid=Iwb21leANXclpjbGNrA1dx7WV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEejjyeWfa6fV_1loavH60843Ms1phqtqVpJkOEc0xReatw8rbstzSlvHWG1z8_aem_NrThhU2fPOIMFgvxQtduow#google_vignette

The stage is set for the epic debate as demanded by Engr. Umahi .
Hence, we solicit for an unbiase umbire/judge .

damosade:
In as much am not a supporter of this government . I think we must be knowledgeable enough about project management and when it comes to road construction you don't give an exact amount because it is subjected to changes in accordance with the state of the economy that js why it is always . estimated. Cost , budgeting and contractual type plays a lot in determining the cost.

Ok.

But how much has been spent so far?

Answer: Don't you know who I be? 🤣

I'm your senior both in age and in governance. 🤣

TheBizGenius:
And finally, I meet someone who is willing to state where the real issue is. Kudos to your intelligence, sir.

The issue is that we don't know the project design, the project scope etc. We just know say "Bridge go dey, sandfill go dey, train go dey, etc".

Maybe we might even find out that helicopter pad go even dey and it's the costs that's made this project expensive.

The government has hidden that part from the beginning. Una award contract wey nobody understand. Na daily question you dey ask for nah.

So how did they then come up with the total cost for the project since they are not aware of the cost per kilometre. They are just hiding in secrecy because what the minister is saying does not make sense. Because at planning you plan for all the conditions of the road. They already know where the road will go through. Was survey not done.
Except all these things were not done they just come up with we want to build a coastal high way without a proper study of the terrain and awarded the contract based on the kilometres they are already aware of.

theredaddy:
Oga mechanic we are toddlers, there is no project in this life that does not have estimated cost or average at design stage

2ndly ... relative project like the coastal road completed in lagos can be use to give an estimated cost ... no one will hold it as fact we know its a predicted cost
if you want to build a 5 bed room bungalow now a civil engineers can give you estimsted cost .. its either that or you endup spend more cos of inflation n changes with time ... these are common sensical

All that talk, variances, terrains are different are lame excuses, no one except Actual cost buh there will always be a Budget or projected estimated cost

Please i need a civil engineer to tell i am wrong ...

The funny part is that you are correct. But you are not looking at it the way Umahi is looking at it.

From what he's explaining, it's like buying 5 apples, 10 oranges, 3 pawpaws and 4 bananas. If you start eating, you can't find the average of all of this together.

But if we had all been shown the Gantt chart used for this, we would have been able to say "Based on schedules and work done, we should have eaten this specific number of each fruit and this is the cost. How much do we have left?".

That's what I understand about it ooo. I no know pass that one.

96ACE:
Oga minister just tell us the cost of road per kilometer you just dey get angry anyhow. Bloody international tiff tiff.

He saying the truth, in projects like that you can only have estimates and projections, the true cost will only be arrived at the completion or near completion of stages of the project. But Nigeria is a special case... CORRUPTION.

yongg:
Lols, they think we won't notice.

I will do a comparative cost analysis between the proposed Cairo-CapeTown Highway to this Lagos-Calabar more carefully when I get the time.

I know they will want to wine by saying, oh, the concrete road is more expensive than flexible pavement but like they say follow the money, it will reveal things.

Instead of this, I would advice that you take up the drawing of Umahi's road (as I usually call it), and do your own costing.

The same way you can't do comparative costing for a borehole without understanding the soil of the area, you can't compare roads costs for soils you haven't tested. That would be unfair to the engineer.

Just saying my own o.

naijamafioso:
Your submission is a disgrace to your Mechanical Engineering Certificate. Were you not taught statistics at Secondary school, were you not taught mean, mode and median? Did you do Engineering Mathematics at all?. What is difficult in understanding that if you have 700 different numbers you can add them together to get an average value. If you have spent N2bn, N3bn, N4bn, N5bn, N10bn on a project, the average is 2+3+4+5+10 divided by 5. That is what is expected of Umahi to do and not dancing around and masturbating because he was asked for the cost per km.

Unfortunately, for so many people's comments here, I am not triggered emotionally as I understand that most people here think all projects are linear and based on pure mathematics. Which is fair because it's not the course you studied.

The only challenge is that Umahi has given a budget for every part of the project together and now he's finding it difficult to explain that the project has many different parts to it.

I no dey chop part of the money. Make everyone go ask am for the project brief. It's that simple.

favor914:
It is this kind of chasing shadows that leads one to penury, instead to focus on how u can prosper your life it is calculation of road construction u want to focus on?

I usually would read, shake my head and move on at comments like this, but, you propaganda machine guys are either incredibly daft or incredibly evil.

Someone is asking relevant questions about issues that bear a direct relationship to the future of this country and you are telling him to look the other way and not be concerned that someone, some small group of people are stealing our common wealth

Like, how does wanting to know how much someone you are paying to do a job is spending on the job amount to chasing shadows?

It is attitude like this, looking the other way while the country is being raped, this wildebeest mentality of "it doesn't concern me" that is killing this country. And the fact that you actually think that interrogating issues stops anyone from also focusing on their own day to day business for personal progress is unbelievable

He said he studied electrical engineering, and makinde engineering field is different, how are you his senior?

Seyi makinde is far far better than you, hes miles away from you, you and yaya bello nah mate..

The rubbish airport he said he built is what they are using to do worship centre in his state now..

Rada rada