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FreeSpirited:
Don't even attempt to bring proofs from the Bible.. These people have eyes, they cant see, they only want to hear what their GO tells them not what the scripture truly says...
Their are hundreds of glaring unmistakable verses that shows Jesus is not Jehovah. Don't bother.

Many don't even know LORD and GOD capital letters means Yahweh, many among them don't even know that it was English that invented the idea of using capital letter "G" to write God, in the original manuscript it was not so. People who don't understand those basic nuance will come and be arguing, u will be wasting time... There are more than a hundred verse coming from Christ himself and the disciples... But they chose to ignore it .


This is Jesus speaking after he resurrected from grave o telling them he's going to his GOD, and telling the disciples that this GOD is also their GOD....
John 20:17
[17]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Even here Jesus is saying he doesn't know when the trumpet will sound, not even angels knows, not even the Son referring to himself, only the Father which is clearly not him. But Naija Christians believe Christ is the Father.

Mark 13:32
[32]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


I am not here to bring any proof because it's really crazy to conclude Jesus is Jehovah when he himself never made that claim ...

FreeSpirited:
Disclaimer:. I am not Jehovah witness! You don't have to be JW before acknowledging certain unpopular truths in the scripture.

I won't post details of my research here because it's very lengthy, and comprehensive. But I discovered a number of reasons why Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Note I didn't use God for a reason. We should be very particular about the God we are talking about because the Almighty God has a name, the son has a name too.
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The name of the Christian God is Yahweh or Jehovah.And most Christians think Jesus is Jehovah God. Jehovah God is different from Christ the Lord.

There's no way you can conclusively proof that Jesus is also Yahweh or Jesus is also Jehovah except you are a poor and uncritical bible researcher.
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However I have few reasons why a lot of lazy Christians just believe Jesus is Jehovah.

1. Jesus is God in his own right. But he's not Jehovah. If you can understand how Jesus is God but not Jehovah, then you can have a good start at understanding the very subtle differences btw the son and the Father. You must first understand that "God" is just a title not a proper name.

2. Most Christians don't have personal conviction that is founded on personal research. They just flow with what the general Christians body says. Or they just nod their head , jump up and scream yes to whatever their Daddy GO says.

3. They don't believe their Daddy GO can make mistakes because no one can have complete knowledge of everything about God and spirituality. We are not meant to have that complete knowledge. That's why the bible says we know in part. We see in part. Until we come unto complete perfect knowledge when Christ come.

4. Their argument that Jesus is Yahweh is very weak, coming from The book of Isaiah where prophecy about the birth of Christ also mentions the name he will be called.
The book of Revelation where Alpha and Omega is mentioned, and the book of John chapter 1 , the famous in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.

I'm not here to present argument against or for, because I have seen over the years that people prefer to die with their bias, than accept they are wrong in the face of superior evidence.

Imagine basing the argument that Jesus is Yahweh using only 3 or 4 books from a Bible that contains 66 books and over 60 books where tonnes of evidence shows Jesus is a separate entity from Yahweh... It's crazy how religious bias work.


5. Reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will quickly tell you that Jesus never for once equate himself to be Yahweh. Never. He never implied he came by himself. He always referred to an entity superior to him who sent him. He always gave Yahweh the glory and always call him Father. But people can't see.

6. Some Christians believe that not seeing Jesus as same as Yahweh is blasphemy or belittles the divine nature of God. No it doesn't. The disciples never for once, not Peter, not Paul, Not any ever thought Jesus was Yahweh. They all knew Yahweh and differentiated him from Christ in all of their writings.
You only have to open your eyes and mind while reading new testament to realise no disciples thought Jesus was Yahweh. Not one, not in their writings. The Father is always referenced as a different entity from the Son.
But Christians of 2025 and their GOs seems to know more than Christ disciples.

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Well, Jesus is God in relation to creation, the universe, powers and all .... In that respect Jesus is God because Yahweh made him God... But in relation to Yahweh , he's not God, they are different entity. He's Yahwehs son for whom, through whom by whom Yahweh designated the Destiny of the whole creation.

If you run a critical analysis of the new testament to know if the early Christians or the disciples thought Jesus was also the Father or was also Jehovah, the result will show how ridiculous such question is by just reading their epistles. Then you will now wonder if Nigerian Christians know Jesus and Jehovah more than the direct disciples of Christ.


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FreeSpirited:
You made an infamous blasphemous claim by calling the name of the Almighty a deity from Cannan.

FreeSpirited:
I told you to prove your claim, you say it's from Google, then I ask you to bring the source and research so we can analyse their claim, u are telling me the burden of proof is on me.

FreeSpirited:
... I have no proof to establish that Yahweh is a Canaan God, that's a satanic blasphemy...

Yemike:
Of what use to the faith is this argument sir?

Steep:
Isaiah 44:6 described yahweh as the only God. There are no two Gods but only one.

So Jesus cannot be another God from yahweh.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Compare this with

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

SIRTee15:
Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.
HE ALSO AFFIRMED HE IS THE SON OF GOD.

The above is more than sufficient to convince any sincere person about the person of Christ and his mission.

Anyone using the deity of Christ argument to deny the person of Christ os just being insincere.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever fails to distinguish between the two cannot be saved because there is a reason God keeps emphasizing on the importance of recognizing Jesus as His only begotten Son!

sonmvayina:
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When did God say he had a son? I don't get it..

SIRTee15:
Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.
HE ALSO AFFIRMED HE IS THE SON OF GOD.

The above is more than sufficient to convince any sincere person about the person of Christ and his mission.

Anyone using the deity of Christ argument to deny the person of Christ os just being insincere.

sonmvayina:
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When did God say he had a son? I don't get it..

sonmvayina:
All those things you listed are what God prohibited in his laws. Like No one comes to the father except through me, God specifically warned that "Do not have any other God before me in his second commandments. Which means we should come to him directly...it makes we wonder which God Jesus it actually.
God never said he had a son in the entire Tanakh, why all of a sudden, because you read a book from unknown authors that Jesus said he is a "son of God" and has come to save the world and you believe it when God did not order it to begin with....

That is the delimma.

Dtruthspeaker:
Then, since you dispute that that Google's reports on Yahweh being a Canaanite god is not True, then the burden is on you to supply the valid evidence and proof in rebuttal to me and Google if you have it. But I know you don't have any hence all these antics of placing burden of proof even when it is your turn to prove your denial but you cannot because you never knew that Yahweh that people scream all over the place is a Canaanite god

Janosky:

Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
Chai !!!!!!!

Oga,Is this the sermon you are teaching folks from the pulpit?

Are you insinuating that google is more authoritative than spirit inspired holy scriptures saying Yahweh is the Most High God?

Dtruthspeaker:
No.
I say that he should challenge the status who by showing the world the proof that they are wrong just like I did when Google reported that polygamy and slavery is permitted by the bible and I raised a thread proving that it is not True.

So, since he disagrees with them, then he has a duty to give us the valid Truth.

sonmvayina:
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When did God say he had a son? I don't get it..

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you don't believe the Bible so there is no business of yours in what believers of the Bible are discussing.

Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Genesis 6:1-2

Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them. Job 1:6

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7

If it's in the New Testament you will say the writers are Romans but these are God's inspired words!

gohf:
so you read the "whole tanakh" and somehow didn't read Exodus 4:22, Hosea 11:1, and 2 Samuel 7:14 nor the Psalms and the like

sonmvayina:
In the first passage, that is not what is there in the original Hebrew. It was talking about the nobles. That is sons of a particular blood lines. Maybe that of Seth. Seth was a son of Adam.
In the second passage it is referring to the orishas. They are the orishas of which Satan is one of them.
Same thing as the third. There is no where God said he was sending anyone as a sin offering to himself to save people from the hell he created. NO WHERE. That is what I don't get.

gohf:
he said it a number of times and a number have been called sons of God

FreeSpirited:
(1) Psalm 2 v 7: God said today I begotten you
7. "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."


2) Matthew 22 v 41 - 45 and Psalm 101 v 1.. Jesus quoted Psalm 101 in Matthew 22 that it is about him.

41While the Pharisees were assembled, Jesus questioned them: 42“What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is He?”

“David’s,” they answered.

43Jesus said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’? For he says:

44‘The Lord said to my Lord,

“Sit at My right hand

until I put Your enemies

under Your feet.”’g

45So if David calls Him ‘Lord,’ how can He be David’s son?”

sonmvayina:
Psalm 2 is referring to o Israel. He is God's beloved son that he called out of Egypt....
The gospel writers copied it to pass it off as Jesus....
Most passages that the unknown authors of the gospel pass of to Jesus are mostly mistranslations...

Ipsalm 101 is not about Jesus , it is about David. Read the remaining verses you will be glad you did. The Psalm was written by David and given to the levitical choir to sing it during service..

FreeSpirited:
But Jesus clearly quoted the Psalms and said in his word that it is about him. Are you arguing with Jesus statement in Matthew 22 v 41 downward? Or do you have problem of comprehension?

MaxInDHouse:
So that's your own opinion my own Bible called them SONS OF GOD!

sonmvayina:
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The author of the gospel put it in Jesus mouth because they had the Tanakh as they were forging the gospel. They were looking for passages to pass off as the hero of their story.

The psalm is about David. He was being chased by people who were planning a palace coup. And want to kill him. The psalm is about him. Not a future person. It is written in past tense..

sonmvayina:
The son of God in Genesis is a mistranslation.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you provide evidence that the translators are wrong?

sonmvayina:
This is the original Hebrew translation

MaxInDHouse:
Can you present living evidence apart from mere arguments?
If you don't have any group of people who are unitedly doing or practicing what you believe then your god is DEAD!

FreeSpirited:
How convenient for you. So you want me to believe your cock and bull theory while discrediting the author of the scripture? wow just tell us u are a revisitionist

sonmvayina:
i have sent it.

sonmvayina:
All those things you listed are what God prohibited in his laws. Like No one comes to the father except through me, God specifically warned that "Do not have any other God before me in his second commandments. Which means we should come to him directly...it makes we wonder which God Jesus it actually.
God never said he had a son in the entire Tanakh, why all of a sudden, because you read a book from unknown authors that Jesus said he is a "son of God" and has come to save the world and you believe it when God did not order it to begin with....

That is the delimma.