The English word God)/god is derived from an old Proto-German *ǥuđán. Its cognates in other Germanic languages include guþ, gudis (both Gothic), guð (Old Norse), god (Old Saxon, Old Frisian, and Old Dutch), and got (Old High German).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_(word)#:~:text=The%20English%20word%20god%20comes,got%20(Old%20High%20German).

This Word God/god in English is used for the Creator Deity as God and other Deities as god. In Arabic, the word Deity is Allah which is the proper name for their creator God. Arabic and Hebrew languages are both Semitic languages so that they are similar in many respect.

In the religion on the Jews, Eloha/Elohim simply means Deity (God): a title which translated into Arabic is Allah.

In the religion of the Jews, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh (יהוה‎). The proper name of the Jewish Creator God is so holy that the Jews would never speak it out in reverence (just as culturally, we never call our parents by their proper name but titles).

Similarly,

In the religion of the Christians, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh Or in the Latinised version Jehovah.

In the religion of the Muslims, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Allah


Unfortunately, in striving for legitimacy, Allah says in the Qur'an that he is the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians.

Qur'an 2:139
Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

Quran 29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.

On the surface, the claim of Allah that Elohim/Eloha of the Christians and Jews is very True in the sense that they are equivalent. Just like Daddy, Mummy, President is equivalent and generic:
But when we say Daddy or Mummy or President , we want to know specifically which Daddy, which Mummy or which President.

For Islam, the question is more complicated because the proper name of their Creator Deity is Allah. Like you ask a child, what is the name of your mother and she replies Mummy! And you ask, what is the name of your father and she replies Daddy!

The problem is even more complicated because
1. The proper name of God Yahweh is not mentioned once in either the Qur'an nor the Hadiths. The name is unknown in Islam.
2. Ask any Moslem is they worship Jehovah: the answer will be a capital NO! In fact, a Moslem can be stoned to death for calling the name Yahweh in worship in the mosque.


If the above is true, does it not mean that Qur'an 2:139 and
Quran 29:46 are Taqqiyyas to decieve both the Jews and the Christians?

Secondly, if Moslems can confirm that their Allah is NOT the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians: would they be willing to re-examine their Faith?




How do you Moslems resolve the fact that Allah is not Yahweh?

Over to you!

AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani:

They are not the same and will never be.

ucheheart:
They are not the same and will never be.

Even Muslims know that!
But how do they resolve the problems this creates!

TenQ:

Even Muslims know that!
But how do they resolve the problems this creates!

That one is their cup of tea. E no concern we Christians.

ucheheart:


That one is their cup of tea. E no concern we Christians.

It's our duty to help them to Salvation in Christ!

TenQ:
The English word God)/god is derived from an old Proto-German *ǥuđán. Its cognates in other Germanic languages include guþ, gudis (both Gothic), guð (Old Norse), god (Old Saxon, Old Frisian, and Old Dutch), and got (Old High German).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_(word)#:~:text=The%20English%20word%20god%20comes,got%20(Old%20High%20German).

This Word God/god in English is used for the Creator Deity as God and other Deities as god. In Arabic, the word Deity is Allah which is the proper name for their creator God. Arabic and Hebrew languages are both Semitic languages so that they are similar in many respect.

In the religion on the Jews, Eloha/Elohim simply means Deity (God): a title which translated into Arabic is Allah.

In the religion of the Jews, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh (יהוה‎). The proper name of the Jewish Creator God is so holy that the Jews would never speak it out in reverence (just as culturally, we never call our parents by their proper name but titles).

Similarly,

In the religion of the Christians, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh Or in the Latinised version Jehovah.

In the religion of the Muslims, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Allah


Unfortunately, in striving for legitimacy, Allah says in the Qur'an that he is the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians.

Qur'an 2:139
Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

Quran 29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.

On the surface, the claim of Allah that Elohim/Eloha of the Christians and Jews is very True in the sense that they are equivalent. Just like Daddy, Mummy, President is equivalent and generic:
But when we say Daddy or Mummy or President , we want to know specifically which Daddy, which Mummy or which President.

For Islam, the question is more complicated because the proper name of their Creator Deity is Allah. Like you ask a child, what is the name of your mother and she replies Mummy! And you ask, what is the name of your father and she replies Daddy!

The problem is even more complicated because
1. The proper name of God Yahweh is not mentioned once in either the Qur'an nor the Hadiths. The name is unknown in Islam.
2. Ask any Moslem is they worship Jehovah: the answer will be a capital NO! In fact, a Moslem can be stoned to death for calling the name Yahweh in worship in the mosque.


If the above is true, does it not mean that Qur'an 2:139 and
Quran 29:46 are Taqqiyyas to decieve both the Jews and the Christians?

Secondly, if Moslems can confirm that their Allah is NOT the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians: would they be willing to re-examine their Faith?




How do you Moslems resolve the fact that Allah is not Yahweh?

Over to you!

AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani:

we Muslims are not complaining. To you is your religion to us is ours..
Even Yahwe said he appeared to Abraham by the name God Almighty..


Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

haekymbahd:
we Muslims are not complaining. To you is your religion to us is ours..
Even Yahwe said he appeared to Abraham by the name God Almighty..


Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Exodus 6:3 is correct. As of the time of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they didn't know God as Yahweh simply because they just knew God as the Creator.

However, since the time of Moses ALL the prophets of God had known God by His proper name Yahweh including Aaron, Isaiah, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John and even Jesus knew God by His proper name Yahweh.

How come Islam went back into the stone age?
and they do NOT know the actual name of the Creator?

It is your Qur'an that states that:
Qur'an 2:139
Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

Quran 29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.


You are the one who need validation!
The name of our God is Yahweh; is the name of your God Yahweh?

Do you surrender to Yahweh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

TenQ:


Do you surrender to Yahweh?
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Do you surrender to God Almighty (ALMIGHTY ALLAH)?

What if Yahwe is not real name of God cos the vowels In YHWH as been missing for some time now and no one know the real name of God.

Ask yourself what if Jehovah is not the name of God?


Is Jehovah even a proper name of God or human derived name of God?

TenQ:

Even Muslims know that!
But how do they resolve the problems this creates!

We all know good and evil, life and death, and can choose whichever we want, so there truly is not much of a problem.

haekymbahd:
Do you surrender to God Almighty (ALMIGHTY ALLAH)?

What if Yahwe is not real name of God cos the vowels In YHWH as been missing for some time now and no one know the real name of God.

Ask yourself what if Jehovah is not the name of God?


Is Jehovah even a proper name of God or human derived name of God?

Is allah a proper name of God or Arabian pagan derived name of God?

haekymbahd:
Do you surrender to God Almighty (ALMIGHTY ALLAH)?

What if Yahwe is not real name of God cos the vowels In YHWH as been missing for some time now and no one know the real name of God.

Ask yourself what if Jehovah is not the name of God?
Is Jehovah even a proper name of God or human derived name of God?

That is where the Spirit and Law aids us

"The Law looks to the intention and not the form"

AgentNairaland:


Is allah a proper name of God or Arabian pagan derived name of God?

Unfortunately our God called himself Allah..

Did Jehovah called himself Jehovah in the bible or derived by human for him.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is where the Spirit and Law aids us

"The Law looks to the intention and not the form"

Why does that not apply to Muslims too since the Law looks at intention

haekymbahd:
Unfortunately our God called himself Allah..

Did Jehovah called himself Jehovah in the bible or derived by human for him.

Yes Our God called himself Jehovah in the Bible

Now going by it, why is allah attached to a pagan idol in pre-islam? Afterall Muhammad brought Islam

AgentNairaland:


Yes Our God called himself Jehovah in the Bible

Now going by it, why is allah attached to a pagan idol in pre-islam? Afterall Muhammad brought Islam

be lieing to your self no where did God called himself Jehovah infact the letter J was not part of the Hebrew letters

Why not ask Jehovah why he was responding to the name God Almighty isn't he sharing the name with idols..

Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

haekymbahd:
Why does that not apply to Muslims too since the Law looks at intention

It does!

But good and sound reason has already proven and established beyond reasonable doubt that Allah is not the same as Jehovah, Yahweh and He Who is God referred to in the Bible.

haekymbahd:
Why not ask Jehovah why he was responding to the name God Almighty isn't he sharing the name with idols..

Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Where did you read that Jehovah share his name with an idol? I will show you many places where allah share same name with an idol in pre-islam and post-islam

AgentNairaland:


Where did you read that Jehovah share his name with an idol? I will show you many places where allah share same name with an idol in pre-islam and post-islam

Why was Jehovah responding to the name God Almighty were other Gods not existing then?

Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

haekymbahd:
Why was Jehovah responding to the name God Almighty?

Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

He also responded to Jehovah

By the way, show me where you read that Jehovah share his name with an idol as I am fully ready to show you many places where allah share his name with an Arabia pagan idol

AgentNairaland:


He also responded to Jehovah

By the way, show me where you read that Jehovah share his name with an idol as I am fully ready to show you many places where allah share his name with an Arabia pagan idol

why are the Arab christians and Arabic bible call Jehovah as Allah then or na Muslim write the bible.

Christianity came to Arab before Islam so why do they call their God Allah...

TenQ:
The English word God)/god is derived from an old Proto-German *ǥuđán. Its cognates in other Germanic languages include guþ, gudis (both Gothic), guð (Old Norse), god (Old Saxon, Old Frisian, and Old Dutch), and got (Old High German).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_(word)#:~:text=The%20English%20word%20god%20comes,got%20(Old%20High%20German).

This Word God/god in English is used for the Creator Deity as God and other Deities as god. In Arabic, the word Deity is Allah which is the proper name for their creator God. Arabic and Hebrew languages are both Semitic languages so that they are similar in many respect.

In the religion on the Jews, Eloha/Elohim simply means Deity (God): a title which translated into Arabic is Allah.

In the religion of the Jews, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh (יהוה‎). The proper name of the Jewish Creator God is so holy that the Jews would never speak it out in reverence (just as culturally, we never call our parents by their proper name but titles).

Similarly,

In the religion of the Christians, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Yahweh Or in the Latinised version Jehovah.

In the religion of the Muslims, the proper name of the Creator Deity is Allah


Unfortunately, in striving for legitimacy, Allah says in the Qur'an that he is the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians.

Qur'an 2:139
Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

Quran 29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.

On the surface, the claim of Allah that Elohim/Eloha of the Christians and Jews is very True in the sense that they are equivalent. Just like Daddy, Mummy, President is equivalent and generic:
But when we say Daddy or Mummy or President , we want to know specifically which Daddy, which Mummy or which President.

For Islam, the question is more complicated because the proper name of their Creator Deity is Allah. Like you ask a child, what is the name of your mother and she replies Mummy! And you ask, what is the name of your father and she replies Daddy!

The problem is even more complicated because
1. The proper name of God Yahweh is not mentioned once in either the Qur'an nor the Hadiths. The name is unknown in Islam.
2. Ask any Moslem is they worship Jehovah: the answer will be a capital NO! In fact, a Moslem can be stoned to death for calling the name Yahweh in worship in the mosque.


If the above is true, does it not mean that Qur'an 2:139 and
Quran 29:46 are Taqqiyyas to decieve both the Jews and the Christians?

Secondly, if Moslems can confirm that their Allah is NOT the same as Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians: would they be willing to re-examine their Faith?




How do you Moslems resolve the fact that Allah is not Yahweh?

Over to you!

AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani:

The proof is in the Arabic and Hausa Bibles where Allah was used extensively for your God and LORD!

The liars are either you or your Bible translators, not us.

Dtruthspeaker:


We all know good and evil, life and death, and can choose whichever we want, so there truly is not much of a problem.

Of course but how can they be saved unless someone show them the way!

haekymbahd let the discussion continuing rolling, seems you are mute already or are you afraid of what is coming?

TenQ:

Of course but how can they be saved unless someone show them the way!

Oga save yourself first.

haekymbahd:
why are the Arab christians and Arabic bible call Jehovah as Allah then or na Muslim write the bible.

Christianity came to Arab before Islam so why do they call their God Allah...

Please can we have a smooth discussion, won't you use abusive words at the end of the day?

TenQ:

Of course but how can they be saved unless someone show them the way!

They have seen and heard about The Way, but there is nothing any one can do about them walking in it.

That is exclusively in their hands.

AntiChristian:


The proof is in the Arabic and Hausa Bibles where Allah was used extensively for your God and LORD!

The liars are either you or your Bible translators, not us.

Really.. but you have many Quran versions and translations, do you need them?

Meanwhile, the Arabic Bible Allah is different from your Islamic allah? Should I proof it

haekymbahd:
Do you surrender to God Almighty (ALMIGHTY ALLAH)?

What if Yahwe is not real name of God cos the vowels In YHWH as been missing for some time now and no one know the real name of God.

Ask yourself what if Jehovah is not the name of God?


Is Jehovah even a proper name of God or human derived name of God?

The question is what name does the prophets of old from Moses call God the Creator ?

Secondly, the Qur'an validates the scriptures of the Jews and Christians that call God Yahweh?

Thirdly, even your Allah (knowingly or ignorantly) gave people names with the prefix or suffix Yah (from Yahweh) in the Qur'an!

haekymbahd:
why are the Arab christians and Arabic bible call Jehovah as Allah then or na Muslim write the bible.

Christianity came to Arab before Islam so why do they call their God Allah...

The Arabic Bible Allah is different from your Islamic allah, ask me how?

haekymbahd:
Why was Jehovah responding to the name God Almighty were other Gods not existing then?

Exodus 6 vs 3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

This is what you need to know about allah your Islamic god

Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل‎) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites.

The daughters of Hubal i.e. Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Quran 53:19-20

Do you -Meccans- see the idols Al Lat and Al 'Uzza you honour and revere and regard with extreme respect and devotion

and another idol (Manat of the pagan Arabs), the other 3rd (as the daughters of Allah)

Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah in Makkah... Allah was always a proper name in the Arabic sources and not a common noun, Allah was the title used within each tribe in Pre-islamic Arabia to address tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol.

Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking

AgentNairaland:


The Arabic Bible Allah is different from your Islamic allah, ask me how?

How are you saying the Arabic bible Allah is not the name of an idol...