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sonmvayina:
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The author of the gospel put it in Jesus mouth because they had the Tanakh as they were forging the gospel. They were looking for passages to pass off as the hero of their story.

The psalm is about David. He was being chased by people who were planning a palace coup. And want to kill him. The psalm is about him. Not a future person. It is written in past tense..

sonmvayina:
Sons of God as in Orishas....not impregnating another man's wife to sire a son. There is no God but the creator of heaven and earth. There is no being that he created that is equal to him. He is sovereign to all his creation.

sonmvayina:
Please quote the Bible passages you posted. So I can educate you on them.

gohf:
why not start by quoting the exact words you wrote that I got me to quote those passages to you

gohf:
did anyone tell you that God impregnated another man's wife?

SIRTee15:
Psalm 110 is considered a messianic verse by ancient Jewish Judaism.

SIRTee15:
You are very ignorant of the Tanakh.

Let me ask u a question, how did Moses receive the 10 commandments and other mosaic laws on Mount Sinai.

Directly from God or thru the angels?

MaxInDHouse:
Who are the worshipers of your god?

Let's know them because you don't know what you are doing!

sonmvayina:
How did Jesus come about? Of course I know it's all myth. But you guys believe it is true...

How would. You defend it?

sonmvayina:
Exodus 20:5 I am the lord your God who brought you out of the land of slavery out of the house of bondage, YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER god BEFORE ME.
Verse 6. You shall no make the image or LIKNESS of anything that is in the heavens or under the waters below the earth or the earth. Do not bow down to them or serve them.

The Romans created a God in the likeness of a man, something that is found on earth and you are worshipping him, like a...

sonmvayina:
Lol..
So you want me to present a group of Torah adherents. ?
I should present a cult group of people that have decided to follow God's divine laws rather than the Christian Messiah/god
Very funny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

sonmvayina:
As how??
When did Psalms become prophecies??
They are songs or recitation during community services. Not prophecy. It is grouped under writings not prophets. Other books in that category includes proverbs, job, songs of Solomon.
Read the whole chapter to understand what message the writer is passing. You can't just take one line from it and run away from it. You won't understand anything like that.
Read the whole chapter then comeback and tell me what you found. I will wait.

Janosky:

Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
Chai !!!!!!!

Oga,Is this the sermon you are teaching folks from the pulpit?

Are you insinuating that google is more authoritative than spirit inspired holy scriptures saying Yahweh is the Most High God?

sonmvayina:
Answer my question, I will answer yours. You have to be truthful as possible as you can.
Question 1: where is it stated in the Tanakh that God has a son who was part of the triune God that he was sending as a sin sacrifice to himself, in other to save mankind from the hell that he created. (I just rephrased my question)

sonmvayina:
Answer my question, I will answer yours. You have to be truthful as possible as you can.
Question 1: where is it stated in the Tanakh that God has a son who was part of the triune God that he was sending as a sin sacrifice to himself, in other to save mankind from the hell that he created. (I just rephrased my question)

Dtruthspeaker:
Then, since you dispute that that Google's reports on Yahweh being a Canaanite god is not True, then the burden is on you to supply the valid evidence and proof in rebuttal to me and Google if you have it. But I know you don't have any hence all these antics of placing burden of proof even when it is your turn to prove your denial but you cannot because you never knew that Yahweh that people scream all over the place is a Canaanite god

SIRTee15:
The mistake u making here is to think that the name YHWH should be linked only to Israel.
YHWH is a well known deity amongst the Canaanite and even beyond.

First I will give u internal evidence b4 moving to external evidence to back my claim.

Abraham wasn't a Canaanite but he and his grandfather knew YHWH. Abraham ancestors were from Mesopotamian region but there's evidence they knew the deity called YHWH.

Laban the Aramean and uncle to Jacob confirmed his ancestors worshipped YHWH

Genesis 31
Laban also said to Jacob, “Here is this heap, and here is this pillar I have set up between you and me. 52 This heap is a witness, and this pillar is a witness, that I will not go past this heap to your side to harm you and that you will not go past this heap and pillar to my side to harm me. 53 May the God of Abraham and the God of Nahor, the God of their father, judge between us.”

There's also evidence within the scriptures that non Israelites actually worshipped and acknowledged YHWH as a deity independent of Israelites link with YHWH.

Jethro the Midianite was a Priest of YHWH, Balaam possibly of Aram was a well known prophet of YHWH in the Canaanite region

All these confirms that the worship of YHWH was beyond the nation of Israel. However, it's only the nation of Israel that made YHWH their national God.

It's possible other nations might have associated YHWH with false deity or idols- a practice common in ancient near East.
When people interact with foreign nations, they embrace some of their practice such as given their personal gods foreign names.
At one time, the Israelites started calling God by the name Baal, the name of the Canaanite deity. This practice continued until prophet Bosea warned them to desist from such practice.

There's nothing stopping the canaanites ascribing the name of God to a false god in their quest to redefine and elevate the status of their own deity- a very common practice in ancient near East.

FreeSpirited:
The guy is already far gone.
And it's sad that people like him will just waste years chasing the lies and fables of the devil, that's even if they survive it and receive mercy where divine encounters now clears their doubt, otherwise , they may be lost forever till it's too late to turn back.
Imagine saying Google said... Like who makes reasonable argument from saying Google says.. lol. It's so childish and ignorant or perhaps utterly deceived like a child

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, you here you are completely failing to prove that Google is not correct, even when you have been asked repeatedly to do so.

Clearly you are the one speaking like a child in talking babbles. All talk, no proof, no evidence, NO THING.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thanks for the in sight but I respectfully disagree.

So first, with an open mind, it is said that "YHWH" is from the Isreal language Hebrew.

And Google says that
"Hebrew language originated from the Canaanite language group, a branch of the Semitic family, around the late second millennium BCE".

And Isreal was in Canaan and in disobedience to God, they frolicked with the Canaanites and served their gods.

So now, we have the yhwh looking like it belongs too much to Canaan land.

And your argument about Abraham being not a Canaanite definitely means that he spoke a different language exactly how a A Yoruba man speaks a different language from the urhobo, hence Oluwa/Olorun in yoruba is technically and linguistically not the same Oghene in urhobo.

Ehen, this case is exactly as when the Edos and Deltas most commonly and other tribes say "Sango ki... or thunder faya...", People would think that Sango too is their god cos dey say it a lot. But Sango is a Yoruba god. And not

I believe this is what happened to the word yhwh as the language of the Canaanites was taken up by the Abraham's children exactly how Nigerians living in Germany now speak German and may in some cases their native languages. Which is what must happen to Laban.

Then the remainder of your argument does not stand as no where is yhwh stated in those passages.

What those passages clearly reveal is that the peoples recognise that The Greatest and Mightiest God, Whoever He is truly Rules and that when He shows up, the world knows and bows down, even when they have their own gods.

Thus, those passages only prove what we already know to be true that in every place The All Ruling God is recognised and recognisable as shown even here where Yoruba, Edo, urhobo, ibibio all have the Name they call The All Mighty and Ruling God, even when they have lesser gods.

FreeSpirited:
Oga, I do not know if Yahwey was once worshipped in Canaan. My Bible dint tell me that, and as much as I am very keen on bible and religious history, I've also not stumbled on that claim.
I have no idea if canaan tonce worshipped Yahwey or how they worshipped him. If you say so, well maybe historically it was so, however we should be able to piece out the truth from figments or resemblances of truth. That was why I said since I do not know, perhaps you should share the historical work, or thesis or research that points to that fact. But u never did.

I admit I dint know prior, so if u have such knowledge why not share with me and give me link so I can study it, and research about it because it's a very important and big claim since Yahweh is the God I serve and is the God that sent Christ and is the God of the universe. You told me to go Google, how? You made a claim, then provide proofs, research work, and all. I can't just go to Google over a claim I haven't seen the need to research... I might end up in wrong source.
Since you know, isn't it a good start for me if you point me to a source or link? Google is like a universe , u have to know where u are going first

SIRTee15:
I'm not sure I fully understand your argument here. I initially thought u wanted to know why the name YHWH is associated with other canaanites gods.

because the secular argument has always been El, Asherah and YHWH are all canaanites gods. That Israelites were the ones who adopted YHWH and elevated him to a only True God status.

I thought u were looking for contra evidence to above secular and Scholastic claim.

Once again, the knowledge of YHWH goes beyond Canaan. There is evidence people of Egypt and Assyrian- Babylonian era knew YHWH and worshipped him in ways best known to them.

Ancient people were polytheist in practice, unfortunately the deity of YHWH doesn't thrive in the midst of polytheism.
Reason why He called Abraham out away from his people, Abraham seem to be the first person to understand YHWH is a jealous God who wants his worshippers to adhere to
strict monotheism.

I think another mistake u making is believing the actual personal name of God is the word YHWH.

THE NAME OF GOD IS 'I AM THAT I AM' IN ANY LANGUAGE U SPEAK. THAT'S GOD' NAME.
The etymology of the name is rooted in I will be what I will be, a way to let us know we can't define God with anything in existence because he's the source of all existence.

In Hebrew I AM THAT I AM is ehyeh Asher ehyeh. The shortened form is I AM and this sounds like YHWH in the Hebrew language.

If Moses was a Yoruba man, the angel of the Lord would have told him to call God Emi ni ti n je EMI ni and the whole world would have known God as EMI ni for his personal name.

All Semitic proto Canaanite language are very similar, so I AM THAT I AM would equally sound similar to YHWH.

Possibly because of the Abrahamic covenant and the link to the land of Canaan, YHWH as a deity was very much understood and worshipped in the canaanite region and then exported to other regions, this the reason name YHWH stuck with the deity.

Abraham would have called God I AM THAT I AM in whatever Mesopotamian language he speaks. Abraham definitely knew the personal name of God, he just didn't fully comprehend the meaning of that name.

I don't believe we will call God Almighty YHWH in heaven. YHWH is a derived name from the Hebrew language which is invented.
We will call God I AM THAT I AM in the heavenly language or communication when we get to paradise.

There's nothing quintessential about the word YHWH. It's just a derived word for the personal name of God in Hebrew.

We as Christians shouldn't attach too much importance to it. It's the meaning of that name that matters because it tells us who God is.
No deity, I repeat no deity anywhere in this world ever gave that unique meaning to his name. All deities are always described using nominal things...god of iron, God of thunder, God of moon, fire or water.

Almighty God made it clear u can't use all these things to define me because they existed through me, HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EXISTENCE.

atheist and academic scholars don't understand this, that's why they go gaga when they see one Canaanite idol being called yhwh

The issue is did the idol ever claimed to be the source of all things, did the idol ever claim nothing exist outside of him. That's what matters and not just the name.

SIRTee15:
My 2nd question.

Ezekiel in a vision was shown the throne of God in heaven. He described the Seraphin and cherubim surrounding the throne of God.
He also gave a vivid description of angels in heaven.

When it comes to the throne of God, Ezekiel described 'one that looked like a man' sitting on the throne of God.

Ezekiel 1
25 Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.

Now explain to me why someone who has the appearance like that of a Man is on throne of God.

SIRTee15:
I'm not sure I fully understand your argument here. I initially thought u wanted to know why the name YHWH is associated with other canaanites gods.

because the secular argument has always been El, Asherah and YHWH are all canaanites gods. That Israelites were the ones who adopted YHWH and elevated him to a only True God status.

I thought u were looking for contra evidence to above secular and Scholastic claim.

Once again, the knowledge of YHWH goes beyond Canaan. There is evidence people of Egypt and Assyrian- Babylonian era knew YHWH and worshipped him in ways best known to them.

Ancient people were polytheist in practice, unfortunately the deity of YHWH doesn't thrive in the midst of polytheism.
Reason why He called Abraham out away from his people, Abraham seem to be the first person to understand YHWH is a jealous God who wants his worshippers to adhere to
strict monotheism.

I think another mistake u making is believing the actual personal name of God is the word YHWH.

THE NAME OF GOD IS 'I AM THAT I AM' IN ANY LANGUAGE U SPEAK. THAT'S GOD' NAME.
The etymology of the name is rooted in I will be what I will be, a way to let us know we can't define God with anything in existence because he's the source of all existence.

In Hebrew I AM THAT I AM is ehyeh Asher ehyeh. The shortened form is I AM and this sounds like YHWH in the Hebrew language.

If Moses was a Yoruba man, the angel of the Lord would have told him to call God Emi ni ti n je EMI ni and the whole world would have known God as EMI ni for his personal name.

All Semitic proto Canaanite language are very similar, so I AM THAT I AM would equally sound similar to YHWH.

Possibly because of the Abrahamic covenant and the link to the land of Canaan, YHWH as a deity was very much understood and worshipped in the canaanite region and then exported to other regions, this the reason name YHWH stuck with the deity.

Abraham would have called God I AM THAT I AM in whatever Mesopotamian language he speaks. Abraham definitely knew the personal name of God, he just didn't fully comprehend the meaning of that name.

I don't believe we will call God Almighty YHWH in heaven. YHWH is a derived name from the Hebrew language which is invented.
We will call God I AM THAT I AM in the heavenly language or communication when we get to paradise.

There's nothing quintessential about the word YHWH. It's just a derived word for the personal name of God in Hebrew.

We as Christians shouldn't attach too much importance to it. It's the meaning of that name that matters because it tells us who God is.
No deity, I repeat no deity anywhere in this world ever gave that unique meaning to his name. All deities are always described using nominal things...god of iron, God of thunder, God of moon, fire or water.

Almighty God made it clear u can't use all these things to define me because they existed through me, HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EXISTENCE.

atheist and academic scholars don't understand this, that's why they go gaga when they see one Canaanite idol being called yhwh

The issue is did the idol ever claimed to be the source of all things, did the idol ever claim nothing exist outside of him. That's what matters and not just the name.

SIRTee15:
@ Dtruthspeaker

I will also strongly advise u to be very cautious what u accept as true from Scholars. Most of their claim are theory in practice and very few has empirical or objective evidence to back it.

There may have been a Canaanite god called yhwh but the definition of his name is different from Almighty God. This idol is referred to as the god of thunder and war, it's defined as a god creating and sustaining the life of a newborn child. And he's believed to be a lesser god compared to El. The etymology of his name is non-causative, it's worshippers believed this idol is caused.

Scholars have admitted this idol called yhwh is definitely not the biblical YHWH- they are uniquely different, but what they have done is deny the evidence of the unique YHWH in the bible as forgery or possible later inventions, then speculated that ancient Israelites changed the yhwh idol to a supreme deity.

However, what the scholars will not tell u is that the worship of this lesser idol yhwh persisted even after Israel made YHWH their national God.
If YHWH and this lesser yhwh are the same deity, one will expect a synchronization of it's worship when he was elevated to a supreme being. Instead what we see is persistent difference in their respective mode of worship.

For example In 1 Kings 12, Jeroboam I (northern Israel) sets up golden bulls ( representative of yhwh) at Dan and Bethel, saying:

“Here are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt!”

That shows that yhwh was still being worshiped in an image-form — something the prophets condemned as idolatry.

Moreover, canaanites regard Asherah as yhwh consort. Something the Lord God condemned when he said 'Here O Israel, the Lord your God is One'. He also made it clear that

' There is no God beside me'....'Beside me, there's no other GOD'

And he clearly told them to destroy any Asherah idols or poles when they enter Canaan land. He also ordered Asherah poles to be moved from the temple.


2 Kings 23:6

“Josiah brought out the Asherah from the house of the LORD outside Jerusalem to the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron and beat it to dust and cast its dust on the graves of the common people.”

All these points to the clear distinction btw any canaanites idol that may have misnamed yhwh and the Almighty God. They obviously have separate identities.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not that I accept the claim but the fact i find that people cannot validly deny and rebut it.

Which means that it stands as True because this is usually how all Truths stand (Law of a fact not rebutted, is deemed True)

And you know basically this is how the bible successfully stands as True despite all the attacks.

So, righteousness dictates that what happens to the right hand must happen to the left.

Then, my next objection is that seeing that the word Yahweh is corrupted by being a name shared by a Canaanite god, then knowing God is Holy and His Name must be Holy, there is no way that He would accept sharing a name with a Canaanite god.

Absolutely impossible!
Most especially seeing all the other Holy Names He has.

So this leads me to believe that and conclude that Yahweh cannot be the referring to The Holy One of Isreal.

sonmvayina:
Educate yourself if you may.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4036882/jewish/The-Vision-of-Ezekiel.htm

SIRTee15:
Once again u are making the error of believing the personal name of God is the word YHWH.
I already made it clear his personal name isn't the word YHWH.

SIRTee15:
HIS PERSONAL NAME IS DEFINED AS I AM THAT I AM. That should be your focus. Is there any other deity whose name is I AM THAT I AM.
The answer is no. No other God in this world has a non causative bearing name. None.

SIRTee15:
Besides if u reject YHWH because it's associated with a Canaanite god, u would have to reject the name Elohim also. because El is equally regarded as a Canaanite god. Infact ancient canaanites and semitic people worship El as the most senior god of the Canaanite pantheon.

SIRTee15:
Moreso, u have to reject prophets sent by God who has YHWH in their names including Isaiah, Elisha, Elijah, Zechariah, Jeremiah, John the baptist.

Isaiah “YHWH is salvation”
Jeremiah. “YHWH exalts” or “YHWH appoints”
Obadiah ‘ “Servant of YHWH”
Zephaniah “YHWH has hidden” or “YHWH protects”
Zechariah “YHWH remembers”
Elijah “My God is YHWH”
John YHWH is gracious

Elijah means my God is YHWH. A prophet of Almighty God goes by the name my God is YHWH.

SIRTee15:
A claim is not the Truth. Pls don't confuse both.
...Truth is an objective evidence.

SIRTee15:
Scholars have yet to explain to us where the name I AM THAT I AM comes from outside of the bible. They can only speculate ancient Israelites invented it but can't produce any evidence for this.

Scholars are yet to provide evidence linking both YHWH as one.

SIRTee15:
Name means nothing.
Almighty God was once called Baal, that doesn't mean he's the Canaanite idol also called Baal.


“And it shall be at that day,” saith the LORD,
“that thou shalt call me my husband and shalt call me no more Baal.
For I will take away the names of the Baal out of her mouth,
and they shall no more be remembered by their name
— Hosea 2:16–17 (KJV)

Dtruthspeaker:
Since you agree that yhwh is not His Name whether personal or otherwise, then it stands to reason that it can belong to Canaanite god or any god or thing.

And therefore, it is right for Christians to completely discard and reject it especially as it even claimed by a Canaanite god, the same Canaan and their gods, The Supreme God wanted to annihilate.



No issue here



"El" is actually not confined to Canaan alone as we have "el" in Igbo for elochukwu and eloka, in Edo we have Elo and Eluwe and in Urhobo we have Elohor. Also in Spain, Mexico, Brazil, Uganda, they also have el.

Even Isaac got Isreal has the "el" as given directly by God.

So "el" is universal and cannot be claimed to belong to a specific society.

But no one claims owners of the word Yahweh.



Nothing there says yhwh.
All say the Holy exclusive Name we call "God"!

I am very certain that if any one should call God, Sango, every Christian will never agree.



I never said a claim is Truth. I clearly said a fact not rebutted, is deemed True.



I find no reason or cause to seek where I Am comes from because it is very clear on its own nor care about yhwh since he is a Canaanite god



The Name of God is everything. For in His Name alone, the earth shakes, doors open, evil flees.

And Hosea 2:6 shows that she was serving Baal and God responded against her even though He draws her back.

And the word in verse 16 is Baali, and not Baal.

So, this is Wrong!

SIRTee15:
U are simply picking what suits u which shows your argument lacks sound logic.

U argued God called Jacob IsraEL but have a problem when God told Abraham he is YHWH.

Genesis 15.7
He also said to him, “I am YHWH , who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”

What do u mean by Holy exclusive name, and what's that Holy exclusive name.

Elijah literally means My God is YHWH. What do u mean there's no YHWH in the name.
Isaiah literally means YHWH is my salvation.

Isaiah – Yesha‘yahu “YHWH is salvation”
Jeremiah – Yirmeyahu “YHWH exalts / appoints”
Elijah – Eliyahu “My God is YHWH”

It's highest degree of cognitive dissonance when u reject the name YHWH but believes in prophets that has their name rooted in same YHWH reject.

Jesus name literally means YHWH SAVES- YEHUSHUA

It's mad.ness rejecting the name of your Lord JESUS CHRIST.

If u reject YHWH but accepts I AM THAT I AM, u are simply putting your head in the sand.
I AM in Hebrew is pronounced YHWH.

U can't reject YHWH BUT SAYS ITS OK TO CALL GOD I AM.
IT MAKES NO SENSE

YHWH appeared over 6,800 times in the bible. It's mentioned loudly in the Holy of holies right in the presence of God on the day of atonement.

On the day of atonement the high priest will enter the Holy of holies, stand in the presence of God and call the name YHWH 3 times.

Common man, don't tell me u believe the high priest will call God a wrong name right in his presence.

Check out what happened to Abihu and Nadab when they disobeyed God in his presence.

Once again a conjecture and guess work is not fact and can't be the truth.
YHWH being a pantheon god is an hypothesis, not a fact. There's no evidence anywhere to support such claim.

There's no evidence anywhere that any pagan idol is pronounced I AM exact way it's pronounced in Hebrew.
Even the inscriptions are only similar due to closeness of Semitic languages thus scholars concluded JHWH must mean YHWH, they are not exactly the same.

THE WAY YHWH IS WRITTEN IN HEBREW IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY THE PAGAN IDOL yhwh is written.

The meaning is different and the way they are worshipped is different.

No ancient text ever mentioned any group of people apart from Israelites worshipped YHWH.
There's no inscription on any ancient idol that states Yhwh.
No ancient manuscript of cuneiform or tablet mentioned yhwh as a Canaanite god.
All ancient evidence that we have mentioned yhwh as God of Israel not God of any other people.

The only evidence scholars use to back their hypothesis is from the bible itself. They used secular reasoning to denounce the bible as false and then deduce their own argument from the same source.

The writings are not the same and the pronunciation is not the same. So I wonder what made u conclude yhwh is a pagan god.

I will advise u to do more study on historicity of YHWH b4 jumping to wrong conclusion and sink into heresy.

U can start with this link which is shorter, then proceed to the longer video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEQOZKmHDY?si=NFulf1V4bQ3BGODt

https://www.youtube.com/live/pBGUtnUf584?si=G17hUCZ5nedo9fhw