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MaxInDHouse:
You don't get my point!

I wasn't born a Christian but they found me. Have you heard of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Well that is the one and only Christian group that meets up with all the things Jesus taught not individually because he wasn't talking about each individual meeting up with what is perfect but as a group.
So any other group claiming Christians are fake if we have to go by what Jesus of Nazareth said:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

God's purpose was to gather all faithful people throughout the earth and form a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} once that has been achieved what sincere and honest hearted individuals need to do is join the organization that's meeting up with this goal. Of course JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES stands out differently and the whole world knows this!

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

jesusjnr2020:
It is well with you bro. You're already in my prayers however i will have to step it up as a result. Please if you don't mind though I will like to have more details. You can send me a pm.

descarado:
How will I know that. Abi i dey stay with you?

MaxInDHouse:
You too can mango pick verses after all i quoted the Bible for you so answer the question:

Who are other MORNING STARS since they are all SONS OF GOD?🙂

blueAgent:
If I have 5sons.
And I tell you, That one is my biological son.
And the other 4 are my adopted sons, are they not all my Sons?
Do the other sons of God have the Image, name ,form,or the fullness of the Deity of God in them?
8. Colossians 2:9
In [Christ] all the fullness of deity dwells bodily.
7. Colossians 1:15
[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created…
6. Philippians 2:5-7
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
3. John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John begins his Gospel by talking about “the Word” and saying essentially three things about “the Word”:
He existed “in the beginning,” which is a reference to creation (Genesis 1:1). “The Word” was with God.
“The Word” was God.

MaxInDHouse:
OK so now you agree that angels are also God's Sons right?
If you agree then we can now address Paul's letter to the first century Hebrew speaking congregation!

blueAgent:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Are humans not also called God's son?

blueAgent:
Tell me why other Angels do not bear GOD'S name, forgive sin, recieve worship,share God's glory, I can go on and on.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm a Bible scholar so i don't muddle up things to make it clumsy if you have now agreed that the other sons of God mentioned as morning stars are angels let me know then i will address the next point!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get my point!

I wasn't born a Christian but they found me. Have you heard of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Well that is the one and only Christian group that meets up with all the things Jesus taught not individually because he wasn't talking about each individual meeting up with what is perfect but as a group.
So any other group claiming Christians are fake if we have to go by what Jesus of Nazareth said:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:16-18

God's purpose was to gather all faithful people throughout the earth and form a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3} once that has been achieved what sincere and honest hearted individuals need to do is join the organization that's meeting up with this goal. Of course JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES stands out differently and the whole world knows this!

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
You are looking for a way out.
I have never doubted that other angels are called Sons of God, what I asked is why is that other Angels do not have the Form of God, bear his name, forgive sin like him, recieve worship e.t.c simple question and you are running round the bush, E choke you I know.

blueAgent:
The same Jesus, you ppl claim is an angel and not the Son of God?
Confused ppl

CaseSensitive:
I said I SEE your point, that means I acknowledge it. It doesn’t mean I GET your point, and I certainly never said I do. It’s hard to "get" the point of people like you. You know why? Because you’re not any different from every other religious nutcase out there. You all churn out the same tone-deaf rhetoric, sanctimonious and garnished with Bible verses but lacking a shred of logic.

There’s nothing you want to tell me that I haven’t heard before. The guy from Redeemed Christian Church of God says their Jesus is the best. The one from Winners Chapel says their Jesus tastes better. Now here you are, Jehovah’s Witness, insisting your Jesus “stands out differently.” Jesus is a marketplace brand at this point and I’m not buying, even if it’s on a 2 for 1 discount.

Have I heard of Jehovah’s Witnesses? God, yes and I probably might puke the next time one of your evangelists asks if I’ve “got a minute to spare.” If I kept all the pamphlets they've given me, it just might be enough for me to start a lucrative paper recycling business. Each one selling the same utopian fantasy of heaven on earth. Meanwhile, the world’s on fire and religion’s got both hands in the fuel tank.

You said they found you. What were you, lost? Besides, I never asked how you became a Christian. Whether you were born into it or “found,” that’s your own spaghetti with chocolate sauce, and it's certainly between you and your own spiritual GPS. It still doesn’t change the fact that most Nigerian Christians were born into religion, not reasoned into it.

And I love how you completely sidestepped every point I made. I expected at least a whiff of reasoning, maybe something about the rot and division foreign religions have caused but, as usual, it’s just another sales pitch. No substance, just vibes and recycled Bible verses. Why think when the Bible can do it for you, right?

And that verse you quoted - “Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles”, are you actually asking me? Have you even seen grapes? Has the average Nigerian? That’s exactly my point: this foreign religion you swallowed doesn’t even speak to your own culture or environment. Grapes grow where those stories happened - the Middle East. Nigeria. Yet you build your whole life worshipping metaphors from a land you’ll never visit, about fruits you’ll never taste, written in a language that was never yours. But sure, quote away.

No, I’m not joining your Jehovah’s Witness organization. The world is not the utopia you people keep advertising. The same religion that claims to save humanity has been the most efficient tool for dividing and controlling it and the same people who weaponized religion are the ones who are ruining the world but sure, keep dreaming about “heaven on earth.” Whatever helps you sleep through the chaos.

Oh, and I read that your president’s son is distributing one million Bibles for his 40th birthday. Because of course, religion is the leash, and you all wear it like gold jewellry. But religion has nothing to do with politics, right? They're not creating 1000 jobs or micro loans but 1 million bibles. If each of those bibles cost $1, that's 1 million dollar that could've empower some youths, or supported entrepreneurs. Who's leading the distribution? The Christian Association of Nigeria. But sure, go collect yours. Doesn’t matter if you already own one, at the end of the day, what’s better than one Bible? Two! Gift it to another “lost soul.” You’ll all be fine in the end.

Myer:
I mistakenly dismissed. Thought I was accepting. Nairaland still needs some working on.

MaxInDHouse:
This is your first mention of me so do you now agree that Jesus is also one of God's spirit sons: an angel?



We believe Jesus is God's Son so i don't know what you mean by the above that's what i want you to clear first.

It's when you have answered this that we can proceed with your questions not just jumping up and down when you don't even know anything!😟

blueAgent:
Yes ,Angels are sons of God.
You are just looking for excuse to run, it is clear in my quotes that I know Angels are called Sons of God so also men are called Sons of God.

blueAgent:
The same Jesus, you ppl claim is an angel and not the Son of God?
Confused ppl

Olaide1295:
Stupid people have a high tolerance to external noises —Bus noises, alarms, barking dogs and loud vehicles.

Intelligent people who (crucially) leverage their intelligence to perform useful, valuable work place a much higher value on a quiet environment with few interruptions.

ogascomax:
That place is not a library and there is no law that says you cannot do that. Stopping acting like the white don't even do such things. You tears is because it's coming from someone of colour.

ogascomax:
That place is not a library and there is no law that says you cannot do that. Stopping acting like the white don't even do such things. You tears is because it's coming from someone of colour.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course there is a law against making noise or disturbing people with unwanted noise.

It's the law Jesus himself set as example {Galatians 6:2} the scriptures said about him:

"Look! My servant whom I chose, my beloved, whom I have approved! I will put my spirit upon him, and what justice is he will make clear to the nations. He will not quarrel nor cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the main streets. No bruised reed will he crush, and no smoldering wick will he extinguish, until he brings justice with success.  Indeed, in his name nations will hope.” Matthew 12:18-21

So according to the law of Christ himself disturbing people with noise when they haven't given you the permission to speak is wrong.
That's why Jesus commanded his disciples to approach people in their homes so you may ask for permission before speaking! Matthew 10:11-13

ogascomax:
New International Version Luke 14:23
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.
You are just quoting scripture wrongly and you don't even understand what that means. Jesus that most of is engagement was on the street. The disciples after him was on the street. He never made going to people's home as the standard. You can preach to people in whatever way that is available to you. A journey of 10 minutes with 50 people it's impossible to do one on one. The easiest way is to talk to them all.

Olaide1295:
Library is not the only place to respect other people's right to peaceful enjoyment.
I have lived with all races & colors, nowhere else have I seen people preaching in buses and disturbing others.

MaxInDHouse:
Is the highlighted a direction from Jesus regarding how to preach or a parable?😟

Olaide1295:
Library is not the only place to respect other people's right to peaceful enjoyment.
I have lived with all races & colors, nowhere else have I seen people preaching in buses and disturbing others.

ogascomax:
Read the story that connect to this verse

ogascomax:
Go on YouTube and search preaching in a bus or a train and see for yourself.

ogascomax:
Because you haven't seen does not mean it is not being done. Go on YouTube.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's take things one at a time.

Do you believe in God?

If so what do you expect God to do with the way things are getting out of hand in the world today?🙂

Olaide1295:
And it being done does not make it right. Simple civility tells us to respect other people and rights to peaceful living.
Preaching on the road may be fair because at least people have a choice to leave if uncomfortable. But being in a confined space like a bus, and being forced to listen to preaching is disrespectful and uncomfortable.
Imagine someone farting/eating locust beans food on a confined bus (and saying it's not against the law)....it's not truly, but it's not civil.