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Jozzy4:
The Father was never a Son. That's the distinction

Show me a single scripture he was called "Son"?

Jozzy4:
The point is the oneness is "Exactly as" based on scripture

Whatever you infer applies.

Emusan:
You haven't answered my question.

Where are the disciples SHARED GLORY with God before the World began?

Very simple question.

If you edit John 17:22,24 in your own Bible,just put the answer you want there.


Right now John 17:22,24 has fulfilled.

Janosky:
If you edit John 17:22,24 in your own Bible,just put the answer you want there.


Right now John 17:22,24 has fulfilled..

Emusan:


He can't answer the simple question.

Okay, let me rephrase the question.

Are the disciples EXIST before the Universe was created?

Steep:
He is a fool.

Janosky:
This same folks will say their 3 deities are equal.
Make Dem dey deceive themselves.

Janosky:
Oga,Is the Universe the beginning of the Creation by God?

Come here & deceive yourself.

Michaelajah:
he is still the Lord over what you may believe in, except you don't believe in anything at all and that's dangerous.

Emusan:
Yes! Universe is the beginning of the creation by God.

If Jesus was created before Universe, where did Jesus reside?

Janosky:
I thank Yahweh that Rev 3:14 & Proverbs 8:22-30 is in your Bible.
Or you remove am?
Your Bible & screenshots rejected your claim.
Oga,continue deceiving yourself.

Michaelajah:
he is still the Lord over what you may believe in, except you don't believe in anything at all and that's dangerous.

Emusan:


He can't answer simple question.

You agreed that Jesus was used to create the Universe.

Where did Jesus reside if Jesus was created before Universe?

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 has answered your question but you neither read nor study your Bible.

(Clink on the entire link & it directs you to the info)
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/search=Proverbs%208%3A2231&version=NET.

Bible scholars already knew that those verses refer to Jesus Christ personified as the Wisdom/Craftsman.

Oga,nah you do yourself.

Janosky:
roverbs 8:22-24
New English Translation
22 The Lord created[a] me as the beginning[b] of his works,[c]
before his deeds of long ago.
23 From eternity I have been fashioned,[d]
from the beginning, from before the world existed.[e]
24 When there were no deep oceans[f] I was born,[g]
when there were no springs overflowing[h] with water;

Read full chapter
[b]Footnotes
Proverbs 8:22 tn There are two roots קָנָה (qanah) in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create.” The earlier English versions did not know of the second root, but suspected in certain places that a meaning like that was necessary (e.g., Gen 4:1; 14:19; Deut 32:6). [/b]Ugaritic confirmed that it was indeed another root. The older versions have the translation “possess” because otherwise it sounds like God lacked wisdom and therefore created it at the beginning. They wanted to avoid saying that wisdom was not eternal. Arius liked the idea of Christ as the wisdom of God and so chose the translation “create.” Athanasius translated it, “constituted me as the head of creation.” The verb occurs twelve times in Proverbs with the meaning of “to acquire,” but the Greek and the Syriac versions have the meaning “create.” Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation, the parallel ideas in these verses (“appointed,” “given birth”) argue for the translation of “create” [/b]or “establish” (R. N. Whybray, “Proverbs 8:22-31 and Its Supposed Prototypes,” VT 15 [1965]: 504-14;


[b]* NET Trinitarian Bible proves that because of Genesis 14:19, Deuteronomy 32:6 & Gen 4:1,"CREATE" is the correct rendition of Qanah @ Proverbs 8:22.
Also, Proverbs 8:24 is another solid evidence proven that Jesus is the Wisdom/Craftsman in Proverbs 8:22-30.
Screenshots.....

Emusan:
This means that NET has the truth and their translation is more accurate than NWT because NWT never used the phrase CREATE.

Do you agree?

Emusan:
Also, this particular statement "Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation"

Even though, Jesus name never appeared in Prov 8 but the above shows simple logic fallacy, if wisdom existed BEFORE CREATION how can wisdom be CREATED before CREATION?

Emusan:
It never answered it because
1. I didn't see Jesus name there.
2. Prov 8 never said another person was creating the Universe rather Prov 8 proved that God Himself was doing the creation activities.



He can't provide screenshot because his lying mouth will be exposed.

Also, remove personified from that statement then you see where your problem lies.

Lastly, the simple question still remains "Where was Jesus reside before He took part in creating the Universe?

The fact that you even agreed that the Universe was created through Jesus shows Jesus is the Creator.

Proverbs 8:24 tn The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was birthed (through labor pains)."
Some (e.g., KJV, NAB, NASB, NRSV) translate it “brought forth”—not in the sense of being presented, but in the sense of being “begotten, given birth to.” Here is the strongest support for the translation of קָנָה (qanah) as “created” in v. 22. The verb is not literal; it continues the perspective of the personification

*1 Cor 1:24, Paul says Jesus is the Wisdom of God.
NET Bible says @ Prov8:22 Wisdom is the agency of creation,a being personified as Wisdom.
Emusan chase shadows & deceiving himself.
Oga,denial won't help you.
NET Bible evidence galant.

Janosky:

Proverbs 8:24 sn The summary statements just given are now developed in a lengthy treatment of wisdom as the agent of all creation.
This verse singles out “watery deeps” (תְּהֹמוֹת, tehomot) in its allusion to creation because the word in Genesis signals the condition of the world at the very beginning,


Proverbs 8:24 tn The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was birthed (through labor pains)."
Some (e.g., KJV, NAB, NASB, NRSV) translate it “brought forth”—not in the sense of being presented, but in the sense of being “begotten, given birth to.” Here is the strongest support for the translation of קָנָה (qanah) as “created” in v. 22. The verb is not literal; it continues the perspective of the personification

*1 Cor 1:24, Paul says Jesus is the Wisdom of God.
NET Bible says @ Prov8:22 Wisdom is the agency of creation,a being personified as Wisdom.
Emusan chase shadows & deceiving himself.
Oga,denial won't help you.
NET Bible evidence galant.

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:24 sn The summary statements just given are now developed in a lengthy treatment of wisdom as the agent of all creation.
This verse singles out “watery deeps” (תְּהֹמוֹת, tehomot) in its allusion to creation because the word in Genesis signals the condition of the world at the very beginning,

Proverbs 8:24 tn The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was birthed (through labor pains)."
Some (e.g., KJV, NAB, NASB, NRSV) translate it “brought forth”—not in the sense of being presented, but in the sense of being “begotten, given birth to.” Here is the strongest support for the translation of קָנָה (qanah) as “created” in v. 22. The verb is not literal; it continues the perspective of the personification

*1 Cor 1:24, Paul says Jesus is the Wisdom of God.
NET Bible says @ Prov8:22 Wisdom is the agency of creation,a being personified as Wisdom.
Emusan chase shadows & deceiving himself.
Oga,denial won't help you.
NET Bible evidence galant.

Janosky:
Arius liked the idea of Christ as the wisdom of God and so chose the translation “create.” Athanasius translated it, “constituted me as the head of creation.” [b]The verb occurs twelve times in Proverbs with the meaning of “to acquire,” but the Greek and the Syriac versions have the meaning “create.” Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation, the parallel ideas in these verses (“appointed,” “given birth”) argue for the translation of “create” or “establish” (R. N. Whybray, “Proverbs 8:22-31 and Its Supposed Prototypes,” VT 15 [1965]: 504-14; and W. A. Irwin, “Where Will Wisdom Be Found?” JBL 80 [1961]: 133-42).

The Hebrew word Qanah @ Proverbs 8:22 means CREATE in Greek ,the language of your own Bible .
Qanah is also @ Psalms 139:13,Genesis 14:19,
Emusan,stop deceiving yourself .

Emusan:
It doesn't make any logical sense to say something was created and the same thing existed BEFORE CREATION.

Proof me wrong without doing copy and paste.

Emusan:
And the same Jesus is the POWER OF GOD.

So, Jehovah created his own POWER and Wisdom

That is why I do tell you that without Jesus, your god doesn't possess wisdom and POWER.

Gabrielshow24:
You keep putting yourself into different conundrums. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that wisdom was ... What's that word🤔?... Qanah(created)... Then it means your god is a mutable one😔. He is not self sufficient 🤔, he needed to ... ’labor in pains’👀 in order to bring forth wisdom👀. Whew...what a god😔!

Basically, whichever way you spin it you serve a mutable god 😂—an insufficient god🤧.

Don't let me even get into the ludicrous implications of your statement: where your god dwelt without time but still managed to create Jesus? 😂 —No be juju be that. Also, how did your god, presumably foolish, come about bringing out wisdom🤔?

When you answer these questions your delusions will be cured🥱.

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence vs your perennial WAILING.

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence has put your Trinitarian opinion into conundrums of WAILING.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Greek 746 Arkhe Beginning.
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God".
-Revelation 3:14.
Revelation 3:14 & Proverbs 8:22-30 nah gbas gbos for Trinitarians.

Emusan:
First proof me wrong that something who exists BEFORE CREATION can still be a created being.

I'm expecting you to bring your usual screenshot from AI, Biblehub or Bible gateway

Why are you so in panic mode?

Emusan:
The screenshot below is your tormentor.

NET says Hi!

Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence shred any post you or NET make about Col 1:15-16.

Pls console yourself.

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence shred any post you or NET make about Col 1:15-16.

Pls console yourself.