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My dear brother ocnovakmichael , I appreciate your input to the subject about baptism. But let me ask this question,
Because everybody and church are doing the same mistake of preaching baptism as a religious activity or a doctrine , so my question is ,

what is the significance or goal or aim or purpose of baptism?
When you get it then you"ll know that is beyond immersion into water.
Pls study, Acts 1 vs 5. Acts 10. Acts 11. Acts 18 vs24 to 28. Acts 19 vs 1 to 7. Ephesian 5 vs 25. Matthew 3 vs 11. John 1 vs 19 to 34. Luke 3 vs 1 to 20.
My brothers , is beyond immersion

I'm following you guys and taking notes.

This is a very sensitive topic

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah for my life!
No baptism!
No formication!
No smoking!
No killing!
No vices!

People have died during or after baptism ceremonies due to various tragic events, including attacks by gunmen in Niger in 2025, drownings in incidents in Johannesburg in 2022 and Texas in 2024, and a cardiac arrest in a baby during a 2021 ceremony in Romania. In other cases, people have died from medical emergencies shortly after a baptism, such as a man in Birmingham, UK, in 2023.

Are you sure?

femi4:
Be careful how you interprete his words. You certainly doesn't have the right interpretation.

Lk 7 : 48 -

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Please can you show how these verses have anything to do with our discussion? No need of distractions the question is not if Christ can forgive din, it is if baptism is needed for salvation and according to our Saviour, the answer is capital yes. But to you, the Saviour is wrong.
Jesus Christ Himself has no son yet He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness so even with the woman saved from her sin, she still has not fulfilled all righteousness. She most definitely needed baptism to enter the kingdom of God.

gohf:
baptized in what? Cele water or living water?

The choice is yours. Remember, there is also Sapele water.

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah for my life!
No baptism!
No formication!
No smoking!
No killing!
No vices!

People have died during or after baptism ceremonies due to various tragic events, including attacks by gunmen in Niger in 2025, drownings in incidents in Johannesburg in 2022 and Texas in 2024, and a cardiac arrest in a baby during a 2021 ceremony in Romania. In other cases, people have died from medical emergencies shortly after a baptism, such as a man in Birmingham, UK, in 2023.

I'm Muslim and I endorse prophet Muhammad getting married to ashia while she was still playing with toys at age nine.

Baptism isn’t a ceremony — it’s obedience.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, “Go and baptize them…” — not as an option but as a command.

Romans 6:4 shows it’s dying to sin and rising to new life.

And 1 Peter 3:21 calls it “the answer of a good conscience toward God.”
If you truly believe, don’t delay — get baptized.

This must be a write-up from the Church of Christ of which I'm a member. Baptism cannot be sprinkling as purported by some of our religious friends. Even Jesus as our exemplar, subjected himself for Baptism as a way all would-be Christians should follow.

tctrills:
Please can you show how these verses have anything to do with our discussion? No need of distractions the question is not if Christ can forgive din, it is if baptism is needed for salvation and according to our Saviour, the answer is capital yes. But to you, the Saviour is wrong.
Jesus Christ Himself has no son yet He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness so even with the woman saved from her sin, she still has not fulfilled all righteousness. She most definitely needed baptism to enter the kingdom of God.

This woman got saved without evidence of water baptism. She got saved right there

tctrills:
Except a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. It is mandatory for anyone hoping to enter the kingdom of God. Christ doesn't lie.

I don't want to comment buh seeing this, it's just delusional, u people will just quote the Bible out of context haba mana

femi4:
Was the thief beside Jesus on the cross born of water

The water in that context refer to spiritual cleansing

Na u dey mind these over zealous religious Christians, they actually lack the knowledge of the Bible quoting the Bible out of context

tctrills:
I don't know, it was not stated but all I know is that Christ doesn't lie. If He says without baptism you can't enter His kingdom, I believe Him. I have no need to believe you over Him.

Mark 16:16 – “lHe that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

My friend go and read ur Bible buh this time in a more calmly manner, stop quoting the Bible out of context pls

prinsam30:
My friend go and read ur Bible buh this time in a more calmly manner, stop quoting the Bible out of context pls

Nairaland boys the moment someone calls out your falsehoods using the bible, you start to claim the person was not calm. I assure you, I was very calm.
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Again you claim I quoted out of context. Over to you, explain what Jesus Christ meant when He said that no man can enter the kingdom of God if he is not born by water.

femi4:
This woman got saved without evidence of water baptism. She got saved right there

2 things, you said, no evidence of water baptism but that doesn't mean she did not get baptized just because you did not see any evidence.
Again in her story, there was no evidence of baptism of the spirit. So according to your doctrine, one would not need to be born of the spirit because the woman you mentioned showed no evidence of being born of the spirit.
Do you now understand how wrong you have been.
Let's go back to gospel fundamentals. The Savoir said you cannot enter His kingdom if you are not baptized. It goes for you as well as the woman in the verses you quoted.

tctrills:
Nairaland boys the moment someone calls out your falsehoods using the bible, you start to claim the person was not calm. I assure you, I was very calm.
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Again you claim I quoted out of context. Over to you, explain what Jesus Christ meant when He said that no man can enter the kingdom of God if he is not born by water.

I don't need to explain anything to u, all the explanations giving to u by other
commenters ur still arguing with them so why will I add my own and u will still get confuse, abeg make we live am like that ooo

prinsam30:
I don't need to explain anything to u, all the explanations giving to u by other
commenters ur still arguing with them so why will I add my own and u will still get confuse, abeg make we live am like that ooo

Young man, I understand you have a pressing need to contribute but not every discussion is meant for everyone. Now you are more of a distraction. Please give way to those who are taking the effort to teach from the bible and explain the Christian doctrine so we all can be enlightened. Allow the intelligent people, that way, even you can learn if you humble yourself.
Just take it easy you hear. Don't contribute anymore unless you are doing so from the word of God.
Thanks
Will love.

tctrills:
2 things, you said, no evidence of water baptism but that doesn't mean she did not get baptized just because you did not see any evidence.
Again in her story, there was no evidence of baptism of the spirit. So according to your doctrine, one would not need to be born of the spirit because the woman you mentioned showed no evidence of being born of the spirit.
Do you now understand how wrong you have been.
Let's go back to gospel fundamentals. The Savoir said you cannot enter His kingdom if you are not baptized. It goes for you as well as the woman in the verses you quoted.

Baptism of the spirit doesn't need water...what evidence are you looking for

ocnovakmichael:
Share this teaching to your Catholic friends

why are you mentioning catholics.... Baptism is to fulfil all righteousness according to jesus meaning it's not a prerequisite to make heaven because u can't fulfil all righteousness.... For example jesus also observed the sabbath day, he went to the temple to pray... He was fulfilling all righteousness..... Resting on d sabbath day is also fulfilling all righteousness but how many of us rest? Does that mean we are sinning?

....the most important thing is to be born again

femi4:
Baptism of the spirit doesn't need water...what evidence are you looking for

Yes, it doesn't need water, so do you have any evidence that she was baptized in the Spirit? The answer is no, you don't know if she was baptized of the Spirit. You assume, but you don't know.

Now, let me say something very controversial, I am sure you would not agree with me. Every instruction and commandment Jesus Christ gave us will lead us to the Kingdom of God, and disobedience to any will prevent us from entering the kingdom unless we repent.
The instruction to baptize was not just a nice but needless suggestion. It was the word of God to man. We live by every word that proceeded from His mouth.

I understand you prefer to look out for people whom you think somehow made it to His kingdom without obeying His words. But me, I rather obey instead of looking for excuses.

Judolisco:
why are you mentioning catholics.... Baptism is to fulfil all righteousness according to jesus meaning it's not a prerequisite to make heaven....the most important thing is to be born again

How do you understand language. Baptism is to fulfill all righteousness, which means that without baptism, righteousness cannot be fulfilled.
Even Jesus Christ, with no sin, needed to be baptized to fulfill righteousness. What can you learn from that?

tctrills:
How do you understand language. Baptism is to fulfill all righteousness, which means that without baptism, righteousness cannot be fulfilled.
Even Jesus Christ, with no sin, needed to be baptized to fulfill righteousness. What can you learn from that?

I've updated the post, u quoted... Pls read it again sir...

femi4:
Water baptism is good but not mandatory.

There were more emphasis on holy ghost baptism by the apostle especially in a scenario where water baptism couldn't be conducted

No brother. Water baptism is very much mandatory. The Lord Jesus made water baptism mandatory when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).
Did you notice Jesus said, "Except a man be born of water?"

Baptism by water and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are two streams flowing from the Holy Ghost.

Thank you, Jesus. 🙏🙏🙏



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ocnovakmichael:
No brother. Water baptism is very much mandatory. The Lord Jesus made water baptism mandatory when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).
Did you notice Jesus said, "Except a man be born of water?"

Baptism by water and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are two streams flowing from the Holy Ghost.

So what happened to the thief on the cross n the woman that was saved by faith?

Jesus forgot to baptized them with water?

Judolisco:
I've updated the post, u quoted... Pls read it again sir...

Do you understand the meaning of the word fulfill? It means to bring to pass, to make something happen. E.g., I fulfilled my dream of being a doctor. Baptism is needed to bring to pass all righteousness. If you are not baptized following the example of Jesus Christ, you will not bring to pass all righteousness. Hope you understand the statement now?

femi4:
So what happened to the thief on the cross n the woman that was saved by faith?

Jesus forgot to baptized them with water?

And you know the thief was never baptized because?

tctrills:
Yes, it doesn't need water, so do you have any evidence that she was baptized in the Spirit? The answer is no, you don't know if she was baptized of the Spirit. You assume, but you don't know.

Now, let me say something very controversial, I am sure you would not agree with me. Every instruction and commandment Jesus Christ gave us will lead us to the Kingdom of God, and disobedience to any will prevent us from entering the kingdom unless we repent.
The instruction to baptize was not just a nice but needless suggestion. It was the word of God to man. We live by every word that proceeded from His mouth.

I understand you prefer to look out for people whom you think somehow made it to His kingdom without obeying His words. But me, I rather obey instead of looking for excuses.

That’s because baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't a physical demonstration

So when did he baptise the thief that was crucified with water?

tctrills:
And you know the thief was never baptized because?

I know he wasn't cos he was crucified..except you believe in baptism of the dead

Sirleo05:
My dear brother ocnovakmichael , I appreciate your input to the subject about baptism. But let me ask this question,
Because everybody and church are doing the same mistake of preaching baptism as a religious activity or a doctrine , so my question is ,

what is the significance or goal or aim or purpose of baptism?
When you get it then you"ll know that is beyond immersion into water.
Pls study, Acts 1 vs 5. Acts 10. Acts 11. Acts 18 vs24 to 28. Acts 19 vs 1 to 7. Ephesian 5 vs 25. Matthew 3 vs 11. John 1 vs 19 to 34. Luke 3 vs 1 to 20.
My brothers , is beyond immersion

Yes brother I know it is beyond immersion, but it's necessary to get immersed. The Lord Jesus made it necessary when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

It is in baptism that a man is begotten because at baptism the man identified himself with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Paul testifying in the book of Acts said Jesus was begotten when God raised him up from the dead; and so are we when we are born of water and of the Spirit

Acts 13:30,33
[30]But God raised him from the dead:
[33]God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


It is when we identify with Jesus' death and resurrection that is when we are begotten because we died and are resurrected by the Spirit through baptism. Without identification with Christ death, we cannot be begotten

1 Peter 1:3
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Notice again that we are begotten through the identification with Jesus' death and resurrection

tctrills:
Do you understand the meaning of the word fulfill? It means to bring to pass, to make something happen. E.g., I fulfilled my dream of being a doctor. Baptism is needed to bring to pass all righteousness. If you are not baptized following the example of Jesus Christ, you will not bring to pass all righteousness. Hope you understand the statement now?

For by grace you have been saved through faith… not of works.... Ephesians 2:8–9
That's why I asked is baptism a prerequisite for making heaven? Who baptised the criminal on the cross?

femi4:
That’s because baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't a physical demonstration

So when did he baptise the thief that was crucified with water?

Baptism of th

Yes, I agree with you, it is not physical, even though we have the fruits of the spirit that everyone can see or observe. That's why you don't know if the woman was baptized in the Spirit or not. So just as you don't have any evidence of water baptism, you have none of her being born of the Spirit. Same thing for the thief on the cross.

So you would rather argue on the grey areas (the things you don't know). You don't know if the thief or the woman was baptized or if they received the Holy Ghost or not.
But you refuse to believe the black and white (the very clear truths). Jesus Christ clearly said that you can't enter His kingdom without baptism. No argument here.
Do you see your problem? You argue over things you don't know instead of accepting what you know.