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nairalanda1:
Hospital work is busy work. Even in the UK.

Even as a GP, your workload would be as busy as Nigerian one. You not only have to see patients, you have to even full out forms and documentations for each patient. And you can be at work till late

Don't even get me to talk about emergency room and even normal hospital work.

Many UK doctors flee to Australia because better work life balance .

Exchange rate at work

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Of you averagely doing well in Nigeria, can you find same life I the UK?

Please define averagely doing well in Nigeria. Cos in UK, if you're legal and pay your bills there is a standard of living which means you will have access to running water, uninterrupted power supply, gas supply, security, free primary & secondary schools, free healthcare at point of need, free medication for children, free opticians for children, police, fire service, refuse collection,

How many Nigerians have their kids in private schools?

due the relative good level of education in public schools and being free, people do not need to send their children to private school. Each school is inspected and given a rating. Parents tend avoid the few that are rated inadequate. Some Nigerians do send their kids private school if they can afford this for extra curricular activities and lower teacher to pupil ratio.

How many stay in highbrow area and live in conducive apartments like they did in Nigeria?

Every area has access to basic amenities and you can choose to live in a less or more expensive area. Arguably, these standard areas compete favourably in amenity access with the highbrow areas of Nigeria. The so called highbrow areas of UK are extremely expensive and not necessary to live in to have a good life. There are no absolute ghettos in UK.

How many have work-life balance like they do in Nigeria?

It'll be interesting to see how you've worked out how there is better work life balance in Nigeria?! Last I checked, your working hours are your working hours in UK, there is less traffic and more modes of transport, there are working regulations to ensure people are not effectively slaves. To work longer hours or more jobs is by choice as you're expected to live within your means. They don't play with holidays and breaks in UK. It's obviously a different lifestyle ( you are expected to spend more time with the children and that's just the way it is.) weather is also different, meaning people are not always outside.

You will only appreciate that side of the world when you were never averagely balling in the Nigeria.

How many people are actually balling in Nigeria compared to the entire population as I see a lot of people hustling for a daily bread as well? You might be surprised at the number of those balling in UK as well although this comes across differently. E.g. the number of foreign travels every week just for a weekend break even by students as young as 18.

What you call doing well over there is still poverty and mental stress for some of us.

A few might be at a level in Nigeria where they don't need to work as they have legal residual income (or illicit funds!), the same is the case in UK. However, the majority have to work whether in Nigeria or UK. That is how the economy works. A few cases here and there of people balling in Nigeria or our flamboyant nature of parties and celebrations doesn't defeat this point.

If Nigeria were to become a developed country, you'll find that most will just be working in a system that runs the economy, shikena. It is very easy to view these situations within a very narrow view but facts and figures remain true. I thought I should add my 2 cents

IbeOkehie:
His highest total earnings in Nigeria was ₦185K

₦185K = £200

I'm sure any doctor in the UK can easily save £200 monthly AFTER all expenses. That's the point of migration, most migrants can save and remit MORE NAIRA than they could EARN in Nigeria.

Oya Oga Gerrard come and invalidate my argument with PPP

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Lol!

You keep bringing this conversion metric, but you are the forefront of naira devaluation. I think we have debated it previously.

Moving to the UK obviously offers him a higher living standard and salary, but in the same UK, its own doctors move to Australia and the US for better salaries. Some British citizens, esp ethnic minorities, study medical courses in Eastern Europe and then return to practice in the UK.

He has the right to relocate as medicine is significantly mobile. But the currency conversion has its own nuances beyond just bare numbers.

nairalanda1:
Hospital work is busy work. Even in the UK.

Even as a GP, your workload would be as busy as Nigerian one. You not only have to see patients, you have to even full out forms and documentations for each patient. And you can be at work till late

Don't even get me to talk about emergency room and even normal hospital work.

Many UK doctors flee to Australia because better work life balance .

You fail to say that those extra hours are paid as overtime and heavily. why do you people like lieing to yourselves.

EvilMerodack:
I used to think all medical doctors are smart, guess I'm wrong

Thank God I've never visited any hospital for medical attention in my entire life, but if I would have to now, I'd need to test the doctor's intelligence first.


This dude is prolly poor at Economics. You don't flatly compare earnings in diff countries with diff currencies, you consider purchasing power, tax and other factors that can influence potential savings at the end of each month/year

And you belive in your Tiny mind that the dude is spending all his ernings on taxes and expenses and nothing to save at the end of the month abi. Some of you Nigerians are just not smart i swell. I know so many doctors who are doing so well and they are even building mansions here in Nigeria from their savings working over there. Just last week i had a conversation with a female doctor here in Nigeria and she opened up to me that she is currently doing two jobs and truth is she is just working for survival and their are hardly any doctor in Nigeria currently that is working only one job that any one who is doing that will die of hunger the pain in her heart and even the huge for her to about to start doing hookup then you should know the state the country is in now.

adonainana:
So all the billionaires in the uk did 9-5 to make

Rat race claiming the fat cat is the financial district

What else are you meant to say

Uk has billionaires are you one of them

Uk has millionaires are you one of them

What distorted argument are you making

Enjoy your country my brother, at least over 130m people no dey poverty for here, I wish you well. Ciao

grandstar:
You have a point but what the doctor may be earning in the UK is nothing to write home about.

I have been to the UK. It seems what he is earning may not be more than £2,000 a month which is lamentable.

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You visited UK more than decade ago. Medical doctors take home more than £4,000 a month after tax. When Accommodation and other bills deducted, they save at least £2,000 which is equivalent to N4,000,000 a month, readily available to be invested in Nigeria.

one year savings is more than his 7 years earning COMBINED while in Nigeria. That is, what he would save in 5 years in the UK, he will never smell it till retirement in Nigeria.

Engrghidazuka:
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You visited UK more than decade ago. Medical doctors take home more than £4,000 a month after tax. When Accommodation and other bills deducted, they save at least £2,000 which is equivalent to N2,000,000 a month, readily available to be invested in Nigeria.

one year savings is more than his 7 years earning COMBINED while in Nigeria. That is, what he would save in 5 years in the UK, he will never smell it till retirement in Nigeria.

You're missing the point. It is the way the doctor presented that was the problem. He said what he has earned in 6 months or so is more than what he made in Nigeria.

He said his salary in Nigeria was 185k a month. Multiply by 12 and you have 2.22m.per year. Multiply by 6 years and you have 13.32m over 6 years which is £6,000.

£6,000 over 6 months is like £1,000 a month. That waa where the misunderstanding arose.

I was in the UK in 2020. I came back 2 days before the British lock down commenced.

I was at a private clinic with my dad and two sisters in London. There were 2 Nigerian lab guys working there. One had completed his house in Imo state if I'm correct. The other was either Ibibio or Efik.

Zonefree:
He never said he borrowed. He saved from the N180k salary.

thats is why you peolple should always comment on matters you know about, it is only student Visa you will need such amount of money to Japa. For people like doctors medical and health worker, typur employer can sponsor you and even give you at least one month of free accomodation when you land there. they even pay for your flight ticket. stop speaking on what you dont know so you do not lead others be scammed.

brain54:
I don't believe they are doctors in Nigeria...

Especially the ones that know what they are doing that collect 185k salary.

As at 10/12 years ago I know doctors that were collecting around that amount per hospital.

And some were working 2 or 3 different hospitals!

Na you go enter your employer account come use your hand pay yourself salary. know what you are doing ko. the only way your argument can work is if you are smart to run like 3 or 4 jobs or you decide to own your own hospital. talk as if it is that asy to do.

Pythagoras001:
The part he is forgetting he probably got his education tuition free

maybe na you and your papa help am pay he school fess and buy medical books for him too.

motymop:
Always comparing salaries...it is a weird take.

They want to become millionaires because they are doctors without factoring the fact that they come from a poor country.

How do you expect hospitals in Nigeria to pay you uk or us salary rate when they themselves don't make up to 10m naira every month

You want to be paid proper salaries but the company you are working for does not even earn enough to run their facilities

because they come from a poor country so meaning they do not have any business been rich abi. some of una self, must you comment?

fxexperts:
thats is why you peolple should always comment on matters you know about, it is only student Visa you will need such amount of money to Japa. For people like doctors medical and health worker, typur employer can sponsor you and even give you at least one month of free accomodation when you land there. they even pay for your flight ticket. stop speaking on what you dont know so you do not lead others be scammed.

Na you go enter your employer account come use your hand pay yourself salary. know what you are doing ko. the only way your argument can work is if you are smart to run like 3 or 4 jobs or you decide to own your own hospital. talk as if it is that asy to do.

Enter employer account as how...?

I said I have friends that are doctors. Doctor's don't get paid that low in Nigeria.

Except doctors working in chemists probably.

You are the one who don't know what he is saying.

Even from nysc camp those days I know how doctors are hot cakes. And this was years ago not recently. So talk more of now.

Some of you like any sensational news!

without ever earning up to ₦185,000 monthly, even while juggling multiple jobs

That's a lie right there!

Jakarta:
Ogbeni close your dirty mouth and call a spade by its name. How can a medical doctor be earning 185k a month? Even if his tax bills are high at least he is enjoying what he paying for. Is the price of energy cheap here, I'm paying 209.50 for a unit on band A yet I've spent 175k fueling my generator. I once visited a general Hospital, and I saw people sleeping outside on tents, no power. Only 1 doctor attending to over 18 patients in a ward. Folks like you are taking this country backward due to your blinded support.

Just that he lied about his earnings even while doing multiple jobs

brain54:
I don't believe they are doctors in Nigeria...

Especially the ones that know what they are doing that collect 185k salary.

As at 10/12 years ago I know doctors that were collecting around that amount per hospital.

And some were working 2 or 3 different hospitals!

I find it difficult to believe him about his earning in Nigeria, total bullshii

maasoap:
I find it difficult to believe him about his earning in Nigeria, total bullshii

Don't mind him...

They like to sensationalise things!

Gerrard59:
Lol!

You keep bringing this conversion metric, but you are the forefront of naira devaluation. I think we have debated it previously.

Moving to the UK obviously offers him a higher living standard and salary, but in the same UK, its own doctors move to Australia and the US for better salaries. Some British citizens, esp ethnic minorities, study medical courses in Eastern Europe and then return to practice in the UK.

He has the right to relocate as medicine is significantly mobile. But the currency conversion has its own nuances beyond just bare numbers.

You still haven't send me my reward for an outstanding comment. I will even accept Japaese babes in short kimonos. Wetin now? You Nigerians simply don't believe in rewarding excellence!!!! You don turn socialist?

Two doctors graduate at the same time, let's say 2015.

One works in Nigeria at ₦500K per month for 10 years and lives in his parents home free of charge.

The other works in the UK for 10 years at prevailing normal wages for a doctor and then returns to Nigeria to live

Who is likely to have saved more NAIRA? That's the question that justifies migration. Let's not get into living standards and such, just the raw monetary gain. The answer is very clear even from my own life starting as an illegal fry cook. PPP is a real thing with little bearing on the reality of migration. Money is the same EVERYWHERE, the differentiating factor is the EASE of earning it in different countries.

grandstar:
You have a point but what the doctor may be earning in the UK is nothing to write home about.

I have been to the UK. It seems what he is earning may not be more than £2,000 a month which is lamentable.

No need for long debate when the internet can easily supply a credible starting point to answer the question.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+starting+salary+of+a+new+NHS+gp+doctor+in+the+UK&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1037US1037&oq=what+is+the+starting+salary+of+a+new+NHS+gp+doctor+in+the+UK+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTI2ODk3ajBqNKgCA7ACAfEFR3aq_Wu725k&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm sure such a salary earner can afford to save £300 per month. That is why Jakpa is a hot topic on Nairaland.

brain54:
I don't believe they are doctors in Nigeria...

Especially the ones that know what they are doing that collect 185k salary.

As at 10/12 years ago I know doctors that were collecting around that amount per hospital.

And some were working 2 or 3 different hospitals!

So why have so many doctors migrated from Nigeria? I have 2 doctor friends with over 15 years experience, both Igbo, one a urologist, who migrated from Nigeria to practice in Saudi Arabia!!!! That should give an idea of the desperation. Salaries in Nigeria are too poor. In 2022 or so the highest paid CEO of a quoted company earned $600K TOTAL compensation and he was an Asian. Laughable, but it gives an idea of the abysmal wages in that country.

It was in the news and I've since confirmed it - entry level retail bankers with 2 years experience now earn ₦800K per month...a whole £400.

And then..... https://www.nairaland.com/7025067/see-someones-salary-kogi-state

Good Luck to Nigerians!!!!

Commentor:
It's always easy to know those that haven't lived abroad.

Yea yea from your comment we know you have lived abraod. thanks

fxexperts:
Yea yea from your comment we know you have lived abraod. thanks

I most definitely have.

adonainana:
As a data engineer doing well how much money do you have in your savings

Let’s start from there first

Let’s leave millionaire and billionaire in the different countries alone

Let’s start from there first

Take a screenshot of how much you have in your savings all the years you have been data engineering

This is silly. If he publishes his salary now, the next thing is a crowd of BMC bloggers and APC hooligans will descend and castigate him for boasting. The argument here is about DOCTORS and thankfully, there is very good data about what they earn in the UK, especially since most of them work for the government owned NHS.

A simple Google search led me to settle on £90K per year. Such a person can surely arrange their life to save £500 per month...yes live with a room mate, forgo frivolous spending etc...surely even with NORMAL spending habits they can save £500 per month after all expenses.

Now that's ONE MILLION NAIRA per month. Tell me all salaried doctor in Nigeria with 10 years experience make that amount? Not possible.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

CoronaVirusPro:
That’s your circle in Nigeria. It’s not generic. Fall into circle and corporate professionals in top multinationals and see what plays.


Don’t make it sound like everyone feeds well in the UK or can afford a balanced diet. It’s not all rosy for everyone there as it happens in Nigeria.

Oh please, I currently work in a multinational over here, so you can't come and tell me trash. How many doctors are needed in those multinational companies, only one in thousands. Even in the same company like Exxon Mobil and co, expatriates still earn more than the Nigerian local staff. Even staff in foreign countries earn more than the same staff same role in Nigeria. So tell me something else. Multinational workers might be earning far higher than other Nigerians doesn't mean they are not still underpaid. And also saying there are hungry people in the UK, like we have in Nigeria, is a total insult to the UK stop comparing a toy gun to an AK 47. they are not the same. Yes they are hungry people in the UK but the number of hungry people here makes those in the UK feel like billionaires.

CoronaVirusPro:
That’s your circle in Nigeria. It’s not generic. Fall into circle and corporate professionals in top multinationals and see what plays.


Don’t make it sound like everyone feeds well in the UK or can afford a balanced diet. It’s not all rosy for everyone there as it happens in Nigeria.

This is my real name. My wife worked for MNC...foreign oil producing companies...in Nigeria. When she transferred abroad for the same company in the same role her salary quadrupled. You're talking trash. Anyway, she always tells me regretfully how she and her colleagues in Nigeria used to laugh at Nigerians living as slaves abroad. Living is believing.

Go and collect your BMC 30K and thank God for small blessings. And go charge your phone before NEPA takes light.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

IbeOkehie:
You still haven't send me my reward for an outstanding comment. I will even accept Japaese babes in short kimonos. Wetin now? You Nigerians simply don't believe in rewarding excellence!!!! You don turn socialist?

Two doctors graduate at the same time, let's say 2015.

One works in Nigeria at ₦500K per month for 10 years and lives in his parents home free of charge.

The other works in the UK for 10 years at prevailing normal wages for a doctor and then returns to Nigeria to live

Who is likely to have saved more NAIRA? That's the question that justifies migration. Let's not get into living standards and such, just the raw monetary gain. The answer is very clear even from my own life starting as an illegal fry cook. PPP is a real thing with little bearing on the reality of migration. Money is the same EVERYWHERE, the differentiating factor is the EASE of earning it in different countries.



No need for long debate when the internet can easily supply a credible starting point to answer the question.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+starting+salary+of+a+new+NHS+gp+doctor+in+the+UK&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1037US1037&oq=what+is+the+starting+salary+of+a+new+NHS+gp+doctor+in+the+UK+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRiPAjIHCAIQIRiPAtIBCTI2ODk3ajBqNKgCA7ACAfEFR3aq_Wu725k&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm sure such a salary earner can afford to save £300 per month. That is why Jakpa is a hot topic on Nairaland.



So why have so many doctors migrated from Nigeria? I have 2 doctor friends with over 15 years experience, both Igbo, one a urologist, who migrated from Nigeria to practice in Saudi Arabia!!!! That should give an idea of the desperation. Salaries in Nigeria are too poor. In 2022 or so the highest paid CEO of a quoted company earned $600K TOTAL compensation and he was an Asian. Laughable, but it gives an idea of the abysmal wages in that country.

It was in the news and I've since confirmed it - entry level retail bankers with 2 years experience now earn ₦800K per month...a whole £400.

And then..... https://www.nairaland.com/7025067/see-someones-salary-kogi-state

Good Luck to Nigerians!!!!

Salary is poor don't mean they should be collecting 185k na...

franchasofficia:
If Nigeria was a serious country with reasonable leaders and citizens, the minimum salary for the below professionals ought be as follows:

1.) Medical Doctors - starting salary 1million

2.) Nurses with BSN - starting salary 500k

3.) Teachers with BEd. - starting salary 250k

4.) Senators & Reps - part time job paid only sitting allowance

5.) Police with Bsc/HND - starting salary 250k



But unfortunately, Nigeria is not a normal country and the leaders too are not normal, so don't expect much

What about us Engineers? You no include us

IbeOkehie:
This is my real name. My wife worked for MNC...foreign oil producing companies...in Nigeria. When she transferred abroad for the same company in the same role her salary quadrupled. You're talking trash. Anyway, she always tells me regretfully how she and her colleagues in Nigeria used to laugh at Nigerians living as slaves abroad. Living is believing.

Go and collect your BMC 30K and thank God for small blessings. And go charge your phone before NEPA takes light.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

You are not making sense here. Do Foteign staffs get paid same way their counterparts in UK and US are paid? How possible is that?

So Chevron should be paying $100K plus to Nigeria engineers because their counterparts earn above that in the US.

Hello! It’s not done like that anywhere in the world and major reasons company outsource jobs.

Professionals are living good life in Nigeria. Built and own rental properties and vacation at will. Theybare not suffering.

They send their kids to top notch private schools and don’t have to settle for public.

What life do you think someone in the UK can afford that some Nigerians cannot afford? You generalization that we all suffering is false and baseless.

When I visit UK, I am always searching for all this successful people you talk about. Always in stuffed up somewhere they call home in neighborhoods they can’t even reside in Nigeria.

Same UK? Lekki phase 3? Don’t start please.

blueAgent:
What about us Engineers? You no include us

We are not in the critical sector my brother.


I am a Mechanical Engineer by first profession, but truth must be told.


The critical sector professionals in Nigeria are:

1.) Medical Doctors
2.) Nurses & Midwives
3.) Nursery/Primary & Secondary school Teachers
4.) Police

PAQ:
He didn't mention how much of that amount the UK government took back as taxes and bills, as opposed to here. It would have also been fair to compare the tax and bills too. Agreed, things are bad now, but it hasn't always been like this, and it's not always gonna be like this.

Don't we pay tax here?
Is Nigerian government not collecting VAT,income tax ,Excise duties and other taxes collected by Agberos

planetx:
Sometimes it's also about patriotism and love for your people, Nigerian doctors will never be paid on the same level like an American or British doctor, so if because of that all the doctors leave who is going to take care of the medical needs of 200 million Nigerians. The oyinbos you are running to their country, their doctors will never leave their fellow oyinbos in large numbers to die because of money, there are things that are of greater importance than money despite the importance of money.

This one na story you dey talk.
Your politicians dey reason all this one you dey talk?

G0odharddick:
At the end, whatever he sends back home in a month is by far higher than your minimum wage. That's his point. Besides he's living a good life far more than you. Better healthcare better infrastructure better environment etc
No bandits[b] no tinubu[/b] no disturbance

That one crack me.

That is Nigeria for u,we would get there soon