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Never ever forget this: Your journey here on the earth is TEMPORARY. There is a permanent Home - heaven or hell. You only can make that choice! © Action Power SesanOguntade.com

Someone said we ain’t going to heaven. I was going to do a research on that. That there’s only a new world and hell

How true is that

SpencerForbes:
Someone said we ain’t going to heaven. I was going to do a research on that. That there’s only a new world and hell

How true is that

It is True. Only about a tenth of humanity may make the new world aka new heaven and earth and the remainder are heading to hellfaya

Dtruthspeaker:
It is True. Only about a tenth of humanity may make the new world aka new heaven and earth and the remainder are heading to hellfaya

Okay. But I’ll love to hear from the op to get his view
By the way, what’s your source??

Dtruthspeaker:
It is True. Only about a tenth of humanity may make the new world aka new heaven and earth and the remainder are heading to hellfaya

Talk about Abraham’s bosom🤔

Dtruthspeaker:
It is True. Only about a tenth of humanity may make the new world aka new heaven and earth and the remainder are heading to hellfaya

Explain John 14: 2-3 in my fathers house🤔

Matthew 5: 3- 12 the beatitudes ( theirs is the kingdom of heaven)🤔

SpencerForbes:
Explain John 14: 2-3 in my fathers house🤔

Matthew 5: 3- 12 the beatitudes ( theirs is the kingdom of heaven)🤔

John 14: 2-3: the statement "to prepare a place for you." already tells that we would be leaving and vacating and abandoning this present place.

So now the question is is "to where?".

And John did not answer this question but Revelations does clearly showing that the "to where" is a new heaven and earth which replaces this one that we would be vacating like when a building is about to be demolished.

Mathew 5 says "theirs is the kingdom of heaven" but does it say that man is going to heaven? No.
Go check, do you see anywhere in the bible which states and restates that man is going to heaven? No.

Therefore, the question is "what is heaven or what does heaven mean?" especially as we see that both heaven and earth where created to be together though separated. And heaven and earth are nearly always used together which is further confirmed and sealed by the fact that both of them expire together being further replaced by a new heaven and earth.

So, if you think people would go to heaven, it therefore means that they would expire when that heaven is wiped out as Revelations shows us that it is only death and h3ll and the sea who submit their inmates to God on the Day God's Court is convened that is Judgment Day.

So, you see, no man is going to heaven but the bible has explicitly told us the places man is going to

SpencerForbes:
Talk about Abraham’s bosom🤔

What is the idea about Abraham's bosom in that context?

Answer: A Good Place.

So, what is the good place God has in store?

Answer: a new heaven and earth better than this one that we have known.

So for those of us who have really enjoyed this one, so you can imagine how super super enjoyment will be in the upgraded one coming? Whoo! I Can't wait to be there.

Dtruthspeaker:
John 14: 2-3: the statement "to prepare a place for you." already tells that we would be leaving and vacating and abandoning this present place.

So now the question is is "to where?".


And John did not answer this question but Revelations does clearly showing that the "to where" is a new heaven and earth which replaces this one that we would be vacating like when a building is about to be demolished.

Mathew 5 says "theirs is the kingdom of heaven" but does it say that man is going to heaven? No.
Go check, do you see anywhere in the bible which states and restates that man is going to heaven? No.

Therefore, the question is "what is heaven or what does heaven mean?" especially as we see that both heaven and earth where created to be together though separated. And heaven and earth are nearly always used together which is further confirmed and sealed by the fact that both of them expire together being further replaced by a new heaven and earth.

So, if you think people would go to heaven, it therefore means that they would expire when that heaven is wiped out as Revelations shows us that it is only death and h3ll and the sea who submit their inmates to God on the Day God's Court is convened that is Judgment Day.

So, you see, no man is going to heaven but the bible has explicitly told us the places man is going to

According to Matthew 5, where are those persecuted in spirit going🤔

You said a new heaven and earth but Jesus clearly stated “in my father’s house, which means he has been living there. So will you tell me you can be living in a place thats yet to exist🤔

Matthew 5vs 10
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Now is that talking about angels or spirit or humans🤔

SpencerForbes:
Someone said we ain’t going to heaven. I was going to do a research on that. That there’s only a new world and hell

How true is that

You have to first ask where is heaven? Even the sky above is termed heaven👀. Once you get the right idea of heaven's location then you should be able to piece it together. There's the heaven the Father dwells in which Jesus was obviously referring to... it's also the heaven no man hath ascended into based on Scriptures.

Then there are heaven-like places which according to Jewish understanding was placed into seven categories🤕. You must also remember that every ’being’👀 modeled their kingdoms similar to God's since there was no yardstick except that of God's. So beings made similitudes of it👀 that's why there are many heaven-like places in this universe👀; some ’unfortunately’ have been seen by people and they have made false like doctrines from it🤕.

Once you have figured out that the Heaven the Father ’dwells’ in, is without the universe then you will be able to properly understand which heaven contextually is being referred to.

For the ’resurrected’ waiting souls which are kept in Abraham's bosom until when God is ready to receive them👀. Abraham's bosom is a fancy name for a fantastic place. It's a temporary place where God puts his people to enjoy small😁 while for the others👀 they start getting an idea of what 'torment and agony' is—the spiritual way😔. See it as a temporary place like an airplane that harbors, buying time until when the final destination comes for you😁...not that ’final destination’👀...But, that ’final destination’-esque situation will surely come for the other side👀.

People get confused with the new world and heaven but they forget that the universe in the form of a fabric will be rolled away and a new one will be set. We will dwell with God in new Jerusalem being built by the Father👀 in the ’beginning of beginnings’👀 if you know you know🥂.

SpencerForbes:
Someone said we ain’t going to heaven. I was going to do a research on that. That there’s only a new world and hell
How true is that

Are you now scared of what religionist say or you're just been sarcastic?🙂

SpencerForbes:
According to Matthew 5, where are those persecuted in spirit going🤔

Matthew 5vs 10
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Now is that talking about angels or spirit or humans🤔

The Bible said their "own is the kingdom of heaven" which means that it is given to them.

And not that they are going there.

So the question is "what is the kingdom of heaven that is given to them"? (And that one is another class for you to investigate.)

SpencerForbes:
You said a new heaven and earth but Jesus clearly stated “in my father’s house, which means he has been living there. So will you tell me you can be living in a place thats yet to exist🤔

The question is what is Jesus's Father's House and His Father's many mansions considering the fact that both of were Living Somewhere even before heaven and earth were even created?

So, you see Jesus' Father and His Son Live are not limited to living in heaven as you want to say because the bible Said that heaven is His Abode. And thus, they can Live in other places we do not know and have never heard about as shown in Genesis 1 where we see God was moving and taking a stroll when He decided to create this world called heaven and earth.

Gabrielshow24:
You have to first ask where is heaven? Even the sky above is termed heaven👀. Once you get the right idea of heaven's location then you should be able to piece it together. There's the heaven the Father dwells in which Jesus was obviously referring to... it's also the heaven no man hath ascended into based on Scriptures.

Then there are heaven-like places which according to Jewish understanding was placed into seven categories🤕. You must also remember that every ’being’👀 modeled their kingdoms similar to God's since there was no yardstick except that of God's. So beings made similitudes of it👀 that's why there are many heaven-like places in this universe👀; some ’unfortunately’ have been seen by people and they have made false like doctrines from it🤕.

Once you have figured out that the Heaven the Father ’dwells’ in, is without the universe then you will be able to properly understand which heaven contextually is being referred to.

For the ’resurrected’ waiting souls which are kept in Abraham's bosom until when God is ready to receive them👀. Abraham's bosom is a fancy name for a fantastic place. It's a temporary place where God puts his people to enjoy small😁 while for the others👀 they start getting an idea of what 'torment and agony' is—the spiritual way😔. See it as a temporary place like an airplane that harbors, buying time until when the final destination comes for you😁...not that ’final destination’👀...But, that ’final destination’-esque situation will surely come for the other side👀.

People get confused with the new world and heaven but they forget that the universe in the form of a fabric will be rolled away and a new one will be set. We will dwell with God in new Jerusalem being built by the Father👀 in the ’beginning of beginnings’👀 if you know you know🥂.

Dtruthspeaker what do you have to say about this😁

SpencerForbes:
Dtruthspeaker what do you have to say about this😁

Not many have figured out what heaven is as they still going through the process of sorting out the different references of the word heaven.

And after that they still have to figure out what earth means especially when the bible they are used together.

Dtruthspeaker:
Not many have figured out what heaven is as they still going through the process of sorting out the different references of the word heaven.

And after that they still have to figure out what earth means especially when the bible they are used together.

I don’t get your last point🤔
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SpencerForbes:
I don’t get your last point🤔
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Don't worry, take your baby steps so that you are not confused

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible said their "own is the kingdom of heaven" which means that it is given to them.

And not that they are going there.

So the question is "what is the kingdom of heaven that is given to them"? (And that one is another class for you to investigate.)


The question is what is Jesus's Father's House and His Father's many mansions considering the fact that both of were Living Somewhere even before heaven and earth were even created?

So, you see Jesus' Father and His Son Live are not limited to living in heaven as you want to say because the bible Said that heaven is His Abode. And thus, they can Live in other places we do not know and have never heard about as shown in Genesis 1 where we see God was moving and taking a stroll when He decided to create this world called heaven and earth.

They’ll give them the kingdom to do what? How can you give someone a house he isn’t going to live cos that place is talking about heaven.

He was taking a stroll means he was outside right😂
Have you taken a stroll outside your building before, does that mean he was outside your compound?

Your second point proof you’re only working with fallacy and hear say rather than evidences. You’re telling tales so there’s no difference between what you just said and the homer. It’s surprising you said you’re a lawyer and you’re trying to proof a point without evidences. I don’t subscribe to hear say and when you have evidences, we can debate😎
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Dtruthspeaker:
Don't worry, take your baby steps so that you are not confused

I’m talking about the grammar construction and you’re talking about baby steps🍹
Reread and modify what you wrote so we on earth can read it.

SpencerForbes:
I’m talking about the grammar construction and you’re talking about baby steps🍹
Reread and modify what you wrote so we on earth can read it.

I don't understand. You said you did not get my last point which is "And after that they still have to figure out what earth means especially when the bible they are used together".

And so, I am saying put away this point so that you can concentrate on getting the other points you get. Or is this not what you said?

Dtruthspeaker:
I don't understand. You said you did not get my last point which is "And after that they still have to figure out what earth means especially when the bible they are used together".

And so, I am saying put away this point so that you can concentrate on getting the other points you get. Or is this not what you said?

I don’t understand the Bible being used together

SpencerForbes:
They’ll give them the kingdom to do what?

Another question you cannot answer if you do not know what heaven is or what the kingdom of heaven is.

SpencerForbes:
How can you give someone a house he isn’t going to live cos that place is talking about heaven.

Does that not tell you therefore that He is given a house that is not going to be destroyed?

And did Christ say "heaven" or "a place"? To think that you cited Him saying heaven, yet refuse to take note that this time He Said "a place".

SpencerForbes:
He was taking a stroll means he was outside right😂
Have you taken a stroll outside your building before, does that mean he was outside your compound?

You already know that strolls are taking outside house and houses, so what's your point?

SpencerForbes:
Your second point proof you’re only working with fallacy and hear say rather than evidences. You’re telling tales so there’s no difference between what you just said and the homer. It’s surprising you said you’re a lawyer and you’re trying to proof a point without evidences. I don’t subscribe to hear say and when you have evidences, we can debate😎
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Which second proof did I give? Clearly you going screws because you see that you have nothing reasonable to say, if not you would have remembered that your questions are standing on what you call hearsay evidence.

Clearly you have become malicious and your argument is no longer going to be reasonable, truthfull and bonafide.

Dtruthspeaker:
Another question you cannot answer if you do not know what heaven is or what the kingdom of heaven is.



Does that not tell you therefore that He is given a house that is not going to be destroyed?

And did Christ say "heaven" or "a place"? To think that you cited Him saying heaven, yet refuse to take note that this time He Said "a place".



You already know that strolls are taking outside house and houses, so what's your point?



Which second proof did I give? Clearly you going screws because you see that you have nothing reasonable to say, if not you would have remembered that your questions are standing on what you call hearsay evidence.

Clearly you have become malicious and your argument is no longer going to be reasonable, truthfull and bonafide.

You’re throwing emotional tantrums. You made a statement that no one is going to heaven, I brought some verses and another posted said we’re going to heaven. I called you to counter and you yourself brought verses that still talks about heaven.

Then you brought your “poem book😂” when I asked for evidence. Now what I’m expecting is for you to prove a fact that indeed God wasn’t in heaven while he created the earth. Biblical facts 🥱

And you brought this as an argument. How does this prove the point?
I was expecting verses I can work with but you don’t have verifiable evidences and you argue with emotions.

I’ll still advise you to do your research and come back with more facts because I’m coming with evidences to debunk your claims and school you so you stop deceiving the masses.

Dtruthspeaker:
Auto correct error. I believe you should have known that based on the issue I was referring to heaven and earth eg Psalm 135:6 Isaiah 66:1, etc

Obviously, this is where your bonafideness ended

I told you it was grammatically wrong but you acted smart. Now rephrase it so I can get your point.

Dtruthspeaker:
Auto correct error. I believe you should have known that based on the issue I was referring to heaven and earth eg Psalm 135:6 Isaiah 66:1, etc

Obviously, this is where your bonafideness ended

Now let me give you a tip of the iceberg why God wasn’t in heaven(directly)

According to the Bible, God is omnipotent. The earth isn’t the only planet according to science and also God is a spirit being. He can be everywhere and nowhere. Cos he wasn’t there doesn’t mean he wasn’t there. He was present but as humans, we can’t determine his movement. Gen 1:1-2 states he was hovering over the water. The passage proves God active involvement in the creation. God cannot be determined by time or space. But imagine a creator building and he isn’t there to see what he’s building, sounds absurd right?

God cannot be determined with time or space. But he can be everywhere or nowhere cos the Bible didn’t directly tell you he was there does t mean he wasn’t.

Digest that before I bring more.

SpencerForbes:
I told you it was grammatically wrong but you acted smart. Now rephrase it so I can get your point.

What is there to be smart about when I did not even see it?

Would it not had been better if you had presented the grammatical error for me to clarify?

Clearly, hearing all these I say is making you mard, angry, hostile and unreasonable and there isn't anyway that I can continue this discussion.

And anyway, I have already clarified and made my point. And in case you still missed it because of your issues, I say it again the issue I was referring to the point that heaven and earth are usually used together in the bible eg Psalm 135:6 Isaiah 66:1, etc Bye

Dtruthspeaker:
What is there to be smart about when I did not even see it?

Would it not had been bette if you had presented the grammatical error for me to clarify?

Clearly, hearing all these I say is making you mard, angry, hostile and unreasonable and there isn't anyway that I can continue this discussion.

And anyway, I have already clarified and made my point. And in case you still missed it because of your issues, I say it again the issue I was referring to the point that heaven and earth are usually used together in the bible eg Psalm 135:6 Isaiah 66:1, etc Bye

It’s just getting started 😂😂😂
You called me son of beelzebub and I’m coming with the heat. (Psalms 139:7-19, Jeremiah 23:24) states about God being omnipotent and omnipresent so are you telling me you can determine his movements?

Let’s talk about God immanence. His activeness in creation. ( acts 17:28, collosians 1:17)
God has been active since creation and he’s still working. So you saying he wasn’t in heaven means you’re limiting him to space which the Bible never stated and I keep telling you to stop preaching fallacies.

Now I’m getting started. Let’s talk about the new heaven and earth.

The first Bible verse you made states and I quote

6 The LORD does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths.

How does this prove that he wasn’t there when he was creating or he was somewhere else.

Go do your research and I’ll be waiting.

Isaiah 66vs 1
1 This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?

This just proves that God is omnipresent sir. How can you limit God by saying he wasn’t there at creation when he openly declared to you that he doesn’t have a resting place. You’re limiting the all powerful being by saying he wasn’t in heaven?
Now I ask, tell me where he was again and you can’t bring evidence which you clearly stated that you don’t know.
So what makes your narrative not a mere hear say 🤔

I think it’s time Seun puts the voice note button to make this more interesting 😂

Dtruthspeaker:
What is there to be smart about when I did not even see it?

Would it not had been bette if you had presented the grammatical error for me to clarify?

Clearly, hearing all these I say is making you mard, angry, hostile and unreasonable and there isn't anyway that I can continue this discussion.

And anyway, I have already clarified and made my point. And in case you still missed it because of your issues, I say it again the issue I was referring to the point that heaven and earth are usually used together in the bible eg Psalm 135:6 Isaiah 66:1, etc Bye

The Bible paints a vivid picture of who'll be part of the new heavens and new earth. According to Scripture, the candidates include:

Key Groups
- Believers in Jesus Christ: Those who put their faith in Jesus are looking forward to this new creation where righteousness dwells (2 Peter 3:13).
- The Righteous: People who live according to God's ways and principles will inhabit this renewed world.
- God's People: Isaiah mentions descendants and names enduring before God in the new heavens and earth (Isaiah 66:22).
- The Saints: Daniel's prophecy speaks of dominion given to "the people, the saints of the Most High" (Daniel 7:27).

Characteristics of Inhabitants
- Righteousness: The new heaven and earth are characterized by righteousness dwelling there (2 Peter 3:13).
- No Sin or Suffering: Absence of pain, death, mourning, weeping reflects a world restored to God's original intent (Revelation 21:4).
- Eternal Life: Believers experience eternal life in this renewed creation.


Biblical References
- Revelation 21:1-4: Describes the new heaven and earth, God's presence with people, no more suffering.
- Isaiah 65:17: God creates new heavens and earth; former things forgotten.
- 2 Peter 3:13: Looking forward to new heavens and earth with righteousness.

I just had to scramble this before I go to work. Ruminate and I’ll be welcoming your questions in the evening😉
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SpencerForbes:
You’re throwing emotional tantrums. You made a statement that no one is going to heaven, I brought some verses and another posted said we’re going to heaven. I called you to counter and you yourself brought verses that still talks about heaven.

None of the verses said anything about any man going to heaven and even you acknowledged that which is why you rather asked a question saying "According to Matthew 5, where are those persecuted in spirit going🤔"

Which I answered that has brought us to this juncture.

So, no where did bring verses saying that we’re going to heaven.

SpencerForbes:
Then you brought your “poem book😂” when I asked for evidence...

Which "poem book"?

SpencerForbes:
Now what I’m expecting is for you to prove a fact that indeed God wasn’t in heaven while he created the earth. Biblical facts 🥱

And you brought this as an argument. How does this prove the point?

I was expecting verses I can work with but you don’t have verifiable evidences and you argue with emotions.

I’ll still advise you to do your research and come back with more facts because I’m coming with evidences to debunk your claims and school you so you stop deceiving the masses.

Then go argue with Genesis 1 for it clearly shows that God was coming from somewhere and MOVING when He decided to create heaven and earth.

Which I brought to prove that God's House and many mansions is wider and greater than heaven and earth which only began in Genesis 1 and Genesis 1 also shows that God was coming from somewhere and MOVING when He stopped and ordered the building of this house called heaven and earth.

It's as simple as that and the mere fact you can't rebut it, is proof that it is true.

SpencerForbes:
It’s just getting started 😂😂😂
You called me son of beelzebub and I’m coming with the heat. (Psalms 139:7-19, Jeremiah 23:24) states about God being omnipotent and omnipresent so are you telling me you can determine his movements?

If you are truly not a son of belzi, state where I said I can determine His movement especially as this is off point?

SpencerForbes:
Let’s talk about God immanence. His activeness in creation. ( acts 17:28, collosians 1:17)
God has been active since creation and he’s still working.

This will be off point and is off point!

SpencerForbes:
Now I’m getting started. Let’s talk about the new heaven and earth.

Certainly off point!