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Mtcheew... Is the Pentecostals churches and thier daddy G. Os that's doing what the apostles did?
The apostles did got married, they didn't acquire private jets.

The Apostles didn't do Alleluia Challenge too!!!

People going to Catholics care trying. Catholic is just like nigeria, very bland and backward!

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

Traditions of the church?

Derived from?

See ur life. Even the pentecostals now copy catholic doings these days.

Fiscus105:
Human had been adding and removing from Bible to suit their purposes, since time immemorial.

90% of church goers today are ignorantly worshiping their church G.Os, Bishops, Prophets etc.

......the church leaders manipulating Bible in other for congregants to be entangled in their fold and continue milking them as they wish.

seriously, just as Muslims are struggling to to validate Islam in this modern day that have exposed a lot of unthinkable writings that doesn't add up both in the Quran and Hadith, the other day I read where the crown prince of Saudi Arabia was criticizing the Hadith and it is suspected the Hadith might be ban but problem is, they need the Hadith to understand the Quran and now that there is question mark on Hadith the Quran is subject to falsehood.

Ezmans:
the apostles did use hellfire to threaten there followers because there is nothing like hellfire in the bible

Even the churches cannot agree if there is actually hellfire or not or lake of fire or not or if it is for just the devil and the fallen angels or it is for humans too. Confusion everywhere.

247VAWULENCE:
JESUS CHRIST WAS NEVER A CHRISTIAN!!!!
JESUS CHRIST NEVER CAME TO PREACH CHRISTIANITY!!!!
JESUS CHRIST CAME TO PREACH ENLIGHTENMENT ALSO KNOWN HAS CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS!!!!

the belief "CHRISTIAN" was derived from the name Christ.
A Christian is someone who preaches/teaches the gospel of Christ and live like Christ. So next time, don't go and embarrass yourself

ekanx27:
The Apostles didn't pay tithe. Where did that originate from?

Who told you they did not especially when they kept the Sabbath?

Abeg stop the fallacy

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Catholics don't pray to Mary
It's not just Catholics but other Christians and people generally say "Rest in peace" where did we get such practices from🤔
What satanic processions? This doesn't make any sense.
They didn't go to Mass. What is Mass? What I service or kingdom gathering? Did the apostles do these?
Catholics don't worship idols..
The apostles didn't call anyone pastor or deacon or general overseer either.
They didn't do crusades or hallelujah challenge. Where did new age protestants get these practices from?

What was the early church and mention practices by the early church...

erad:
Wetin concern you?

Whether you like it or not, Catholics are a major history of Christianity. Without the battles Catholicism fought, a lot of pentecostal churches today won't exist.

I don't care about any of you but learn to stop trying to make yourself look better than others, you're not God. Even the bible asks you not to judge, but nah una sabi Bible pass. Hypocrites.

They would still exist as you forget that Christianity was the one growing and not whether it was covered by the Romans or the dissents

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
The Prayer to Mary (Rosary) is recited thus:
"Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women & blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus (fund this in Luke 1:28-42)......Holy Mary Mother of God, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, now & at the hour of the death, Amen.
The word PRAY FOR US means INTERCEDE FOR US, just as she interceded at the wedding at CANA & her son couldn't refuse her even when his time had not come -See John 2:1-12)


2. They didn't pray to the dead.
I do not think there's any Christian Group that when their member dies, they do not do Christian wake keep or Funeral service. What is that called -PRAYER FOR THE DEAD.
The Catholics Prayer for the dead is simplified as:
Eternal Rest Prayer
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace. Amen.

These prayers aren't Old as Apostle Paul similarly Prayed in 2 Timothy 1:16-18.


3. They didn't do satanic processions.
My friend may need to expatiate on this as nothing of such has ever been recorded by even Google. What you do not understand may however have led you to so say anyway.


4. They didn't go to mass.
Well, Christ himself offered the first Mass when he broke the bread and commanded -DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME. Matthew 26:17–29


5. Scapular.
Now, people who Criticise longtime Catholic Practices now use Mantles, Wristbands etc.
The idea behind these is a reminder of the Christian Faith. The Scapular contains an image of Christ (or the image reminding everyone of Christ) on one front, and the image of his mother Mary on another side.
Catholics and those devoted to Mary as AN INTERCESSOR put on the scapular, and which still promotes the Christian Faith.

6. Infant baptism.
Much as nowhere was it specified that ONLY ADULTS should be Baptised, Faith however plays a role in Baptism such that even when a Child has no mind as such the faith of the parents suffices since Baptism is a means towards salvation, such that should a Child die young, do we say the Child should not be saved? In Matthew 9:2, Jesus saw the faith of the friends of the paralytic and healed the paralytic. Thus, When people cannot have faith, the faith of family or friends suffices. So it is with infant baptism. The faith of the parents sanctifies the children, as Paul says in 1 Cor. 7:14.


7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
Since the Bible says for “nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27) respite can however be found in 1 Cor 3:15 “He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” Hence fire Purges the sin before he can be saved. Thus the concept of a place called PURGATORY which serves that purpose which is captured in Maccabbees as: Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin” (2 Macc. 12:43–45).

8. They didn't use holy water
Every Christian prays over items these days, such that in Numbers 5:17, mention was made of Holy Water as: A priest takes "holy water" in an earthen vessel and adds dust from the tabernacle floor.
Also, Elijah also blessed water and purified it. See 2 Kings 2:19-22

9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
The word Pope means Leader/ Head. Just as we call our Leader PRESIDENT or PRIME MINISTER as any countrybmay choose.
Unarguably, Christ Made Peter the first head of the Church, and all heads are traced to Peter to whom Christ in Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.
What is idolatry? Images?
God himself directed the people of Israel to make sculptures on the ark of covenant which they carried about, such that In Exodus 25:22, Yahweh says about the top of the Ark, "There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the covenant, I will deliver to you all my commands for the Israelites"
The box is covered by a lid of pure gold, built to securely cover the box. Capping the lid are two angels sculpted from gold, from which (according to Exodus 25)
Thus, problem arises where the images are worshipped. Catholics do not however worship images, but are a constant call to reminder.
Thanks Pls.

A Response Grounded in Love and Understanding
Dear friend, your list reflects a desire to align Christian practice with the apostles’ example, which is a commendable pursuit. However, the Catholic Church’s practices, while sometimes distinct from the apostolic era, are rooted in Scripture, apostolic tradition, and the lived faith of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit. Let’s address each point with charity, acknowledging that all Christian denominations, including Pentecostals and others, have developed practices not explicitly detailed in the New Testament. What unites us is our love for Christ and our call to live in His love (John 13:34-35). Let’s explore these points together, not to divide, but to understand and grow in faith.
Addressing the 10 Points

1. Praying to Mary
Catholic Defense: Catholics don’t worship Mary but honor her as the Mother of God (Luke 1:43) and seek her intercession, just as the apostles sought prayers from one another (James 5:16). The wedding at Cana (John 2:1-11) shows Mary’s intercessory role, as she brings a need to Jesus, who responds. The early Church revered Mary (e.g., the Council of Ephesus, 431 AD, affirmed her as Theotokos), and Revelation 12:1-5 depicts a woman, often understood as Mary, central to God’s plan.
Comparison: Many Pentecostal churches emphasize personal prophecy or speaking in tongues as intercessory gifts (1 Corinthians 14:1-5). These practices, while rooted in Scripture, were not universally practiced in the apostolic era as they are today, with structured “prophetic ministries” or “tongues and interpretation” services.

2. Praying to the Dead
Catholic Defense: Catholics ask saints in heaven to pray for them, based on the communion of saints (Hebrews 12:1, Revelation 5:. The saints are alive in Christ (John 11:25-26), and their prayers are powerful (James 5:16). This practice developed as the Church reflected on the unity of the Body of Christ across heaven and earth.
Comparison: Some Protestant churches hold “memorial services” or pray for deceased loved ones, assuming they can hear or benefit from prayers, a practice not explicitly apostolic but rooted in love for the departed.

3. Satanic Processions
Catholic Defense: This is a misunderstanding. Catholic processions, like Corpus Christi or Marian feasts, honor Christ or saints, echoing biblical practices of public worship (e.g., Psalm 68:24-26, where processions glorify God). No Catholic procession is “satanic”; they are acts of devotion, often with Scripture, hymns, and prayer.
Comparison: Pentecostal “praise marches” or revival street preaching are modern expressions of public faith, not explicitly apostolic but inspired by the Spirit’s call to proclaim the Gospel (Acts 1:.

4. Going to Mass
Catholic Defense: The Mass is rooted in the Last Supper (Luke 22:19-20, 1 Corinthians 11:23-25), where Jesus commanded, “Do this in remembrance of me.” Early Christians gathered for the “breaking of the bread” (Acts 2:42, 20:7), which evolved into the structured liturgy of the Mass as the Church grew. The Eucharist is central to Catholic worship, as Jesus taught (John 6:53-56).
Comparison: Pentecostal services with extended worship sessions, altar calls, or “anointing services” are not described in the New Testament but developed as expressions of faith, much like the Mass.

5. Scapular
Catholic Defense: The scapular is a sacramental, a devotional tool to remind Catholics of their commitment to Christ, similar to wearing a cross necklace. It’s rooted in the biblical call to live faithfully (Galatians 2:20). While not apostolic, it reflects the Church’s tradition of using physical reminders of faith (e.g., phylacteries in Deuteronomy 6:.
Comparison: Many Protestant churches use “prayer shawls,” “anointed cloths” (Acts 19:12), or “promise rings” as faith symbols, practices that emerged later but serve similar devotional purposes.

6. Infant Baptism
Catholic Defense: Infant baptism is supported by the baptism of “whole households” (Acts 16:15, 16:33), which likely included children. The Church sees baptism as a gift of grace (Titus 3:5), not dependent on personal decision, akin to circumcision in the Old Covenant (Genesis 17:12). Early Church fathers like Origen (185-254 AD) affirmed this practice.
Comparison: Many Protestant churches practice “child dedication” ceremonies, not explicitly apostolic, to commit children to God, reflecting a similar intent to infant baptism.

7. Belief in Purgatory
Catholic Defense: Purgatory is inferred from Scripture’s teaching on purification after death (1 Corinthians 3:13-15, where works are tested by fire) and prayers for the dead (2 Maccabees 12:46, though not in Protestant canons). It reflects God’s mercy, ensuring holiness before heaven (Revelation 21:27). The concept developed as the Church reflected on salvation’s process.
Comparison: Some Pentecostal churches teach “post-death sanctification” or pray for the dead’s repose, practices not explicitly apostolic but rooted in hope for God’s mercy.

8. Holy Water
Catholic Defense: Holy water is a sacramental, blessed for spiritual protection, rooted in biblical uses of water for purification (Numbers 19:9, John 2:6-7). It symbolizes God’s grace, as seen in baptism (Acts 2:38). Its use grew as a tangible sign of faith.
Comparison: Pentecostal churches often use “anointed oil” for healing or blessing (James 5:14), a practice expanded beyond apostolic times into structured rituals.

9. Calling Peter a Pope
Catholic Defense: Jesus gave Peter a unique role as the “rock” (Matthew 16:18-19) with the keys to the kingdom, indicating leadership. The term “pope” (from Latin “papa,” father) evolved to describe the bishop of Rome, Peter’s successor. Early Church fathers like Clement (1st century) show Rome’s primacy.
Comparison: Many Protestant churches have titles like “senior pastor” or “apostle” for leaders, not used by the apostles but developed to organize growing communities.

10. Bowing Down or Worshiping Idols
Catholic Defense: Catholics don’t worship idols but use icons and statues as reminders of Christ and the saints, like photos of loved ones. Bowing is a sign of respect, not worship (Exodus 20:4-5 prohibits idolatry, not images; see Exodus 25:18 for God-ordained cherubim images). The early Church used art (e.g., catacomb paintings) to teach faith.
Comparison: Protestant churches often use crosses, banners, or worship screens with images, not apostolic but aids to devotion, similar to Catholic icons.
Practices in Non-Catholic Churches
Just as Catholic practices evolved, so have those in Pentecostal and other Protestant churches:
Contemporary Worship Bands: Modern music with guitars and drums isn’t in the New Testament but enhances worship.
Altar Calls: Inviting people forward for conversion or prayer is a 19th-century revivalist practice, not apostolic.
Church Buildings: The apostles met in homes (Acts 2:46), but dedicated church structures are now standard across denominations.
Denominational Structures: Organized denominations with hierarchies or synods developed post-apostolically.
These practices, like Catholic ones, arose from the Church’s mission to adapt to new contexts while remaining faithful to Christ’s teachings.
The Heart of the Matter: Love
The apostles’ core mission was to spread Christ’s love (John 15:12). Debating practices can divide, but love unites. The Catholic Church, like all Christian communities, seeks to live out this love through its traditions, guided by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13). Rather than attacking differences, let’s celebrate our shared faith in Jesus, who prayed for unity (John 17:21). If you have concerns, let’s discuss them with mutual respect, as brothers and sisters in Christ.

God bless you abundantly.

Rybnyk:
Catholics don't pray to Mary

Don't say that. Your rosary prayers chanting "pray for us" clearly proves that you are praying to Mary to pray for you

Rybnyk:
It's not just Catholics but other Christians and people generally say "Rest in peace" where did we get such practices from🤔

Fallacy of off point.

Rybnyk:
What satanic processions?

Your processions are exactly the same as pagan processions, full of chants and pagan paraphernalia.

This doesn't make any sense.
They didn't go to Mass. What is Mass? What I service or kingdom gathering? Did the apostles do these?
Catholics don't worship idols..
The apostles didn't call anyone pastor or deacon or general overseer either.
They didn't do crusades or hallelujah challenge. Where did new age protestants get these practices from?

What was the early church and mention practices by the early church...[/quote]

The Catholic and their worship of images is just doctrinal and not biblical.

ascek:
1. Praying to Mary
Catholic Defense: Catholics don’t worship Mary but honor her as the Mother of God (Luke 1:43) ..

Sorry sir, your rosary prayers prove otherwise. It is clearly like a prayer made to a specific idol.

Even the rosary is in violation of God's Command

Please leave Catholics out of your dirty mouth. Focus on your Pentecostalism.

Seun, OAM4J this post made deliberately to provoke Catholics and cause an interdenominational uproar on Nairaland.

ACRI:
Face your own race @op. You are not the custodian of Christian or Apostle's values

Run your race with fear and trembling, focus on your journey...you are not a judge and you will never be..

Stop creating dissenting views in the body of Christ, It is only Christians that does this. A house divided against itself will fall.

There are the doctrines of the church embedded in traditions and customs, it is absolutely non of your business how each denomination choose to worship God. If, however God gave you the mandate to be the judge pls continue

It be like say you no hear or see wetin sunnis do shittes for Nigeria abi? Only Christians does this , only Christians does that If you have the opportunity to speak out and save the perishing and ignorant, do that by all means.

All your statement is flawed!

Go and read the history of the church.

Also read succession in christendom. Everything for you begins and ends in bible and that is why you people are so dumb and ignorant.
The same Bible that was organised and sifted by catholic church throwing aways some books that will make you query your belief in God and Christianity. Have you heard of the Lost books


Even the book of John chapter 21 vers 25 told you that there are so many things Christ did which were not written in the Bible. This includes what he taught. If everything is to be written in the Bible, the book will not contain it. The little that was written was written so that you believe.
These unwritten stuff are seen in the Church's tradition! They are not in the Bible but they are sacrosanct or call it dogma..

So next time you carry your bible to tell people that it is all and all remember John 21:25 and also remember that the same Catholic you are speaking of gave you that bible you are holding. So rest!



Catholic na your papa! You have no information of the religion you are following. If you want to know your origin go to the Vatican archives that is if it will be assesible to you. 😂😂😁😁😁.

Infact your argument and statement is null and void!

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Biblical symbolism connected to the scapular
Putting on Christ: The apostle Paul says in Galatians 3:27, "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ". The scapular is seen as a tangible reminder of this spiritual "clothing" in Christ.
The "Yoke of Christ": The scapular is also known as the "yoke of Christ," symbolizing a disciple's commitment to embrace their cross and follow Jesus.
Marian devotion: The scapular, particularly the Brown Scapular, is a sign of devotion to the Virgin Mary and is seen as an extension of her role in salvation history.
Healing and faith: The Bible describes instances where people were healed by touching Jesus's garments or by having handkerchiefs and aprons, used by the apostles, touch them. This is seen as a precursor to sacramentals like the scapular, which are concrete expressions of faith and can be reminders to follow Jesus

jesusjnr2020:
I saw this post on social media and it more or less portrayed my thoughts and concerns, hence deemed it wise to also share it here.

If the Catholics indeed claim and believe to have emerged from the early church led the apostles, and Peter was their first bishop or pope, then why the drastic deviation from the example, doctrines and standards set by the apostles and those of the early church?

Moreover where did all the practices in the Catholic church foreign to the early church, things which the apostles never did, such as praying rosary to so-called "Mary", emerge from?

These are some important questions some of our Catholics brethren ought to ask themselves if they truly want to follow Jesus and not the traditions and doctrines of men, because it's beyond glaring that many such practices and doctrines in their Catholic church do not align with those of the apostles and the early church which they claim to have originated from.

If indeed the Catholic church emerged from the early church led by the apostles of Christ, It's my earnest desire to see them return to the example, doctrines and standard set by the apostles and early church which they received from Jesus Christ

God bless.

Is that ur whole problem since birth??

If Protestants and Pentecostals put in a fraction of the efforts they put into finding dirts on the Catholic Church into leading good Christian life, Nigeria would have been a fantastic place to live. Focus on conversion of sinners by living Christ-like life yourselves; quit focusing on the Catholic Church which gets assaulted by these unending attacks for centuries yet stands strong!

Rubbish post.

Were the apostles even Christians? To start with.

Op, this is a blasphemous post and Seun and his moderators need to take it down. How can the OP categorically state that "Catholic does Satanic Processions"? How can you associate Catholic with Satan? I'm not a Catholic, but I won't support any blasphemy against any Church of God.
Op, mind your posts. Limit your post to propagating Christianity and not Church doctrines.

So is not only Peter Obi Problem some people carry for head am a Catholic member always happy to be one answer to this your post is not today

chaseblack:
But the Bible didn't explicitly condemn women leading a religion infact during the times of the Israelites they had women Judges who led the spiritual nation of Isreal and the also said blessed are women for they will spread the word of God(not exact quote). However, image worshipping or human worshipping is explicitly condemned by God yet Catholics do it.

The Bible explicitly prohibits women from being pastors or leading men, advising them to focus on teaching their children instead (Deuteronomy 6:6-7). In 1 Timothy 2:8-15, Paul states that women shouldn't teach or lead men, but remain silent. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 instructs women to be quiet in church and ask questions at home, as speaking in church is deemed inappropriate.

Peace!

So what were the Apostles practicing and which church is following them today?🙂