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jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Almunjid:
The Bible explicitly prohibits women from being pastors or leading men, advising them to focus on teaching their children instead (Deuteronomy 6:6-7). In 1 Timothy 2:8-15, Paul states that women shouldn't teach or lead men, but remain silent. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 instructs women to be quiet in church and ask questions at home, as speaking in church is deemed inappropriate.

Peace!

I agree that the Bible said those words but God himself appointed women to lead the nation of Isreal and maybe men should take the lead in spiritual matters but I dont think God will be furious if women lead in congregations if necessary but how do you think God feels about image worship? You know it makes God furious.
Yet Catholics do it and claim to be serving God, God already said he will reject all such worship, if you worship God with image read Exodus 20:4 and 1Cor 10:14

In truth, the concept of Christianity is what the catholic church says it is. Jesus wasn't a Christian and none of the apostles was a Christian until cross was raised as symbol of Christ fellowship by Catholic Papas.

If you profess Christianity, you are a follower of Catholic church religion.

iHart:
2 Thessalonians 2:15: "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[a] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."


The teachings passed on by word of mouth is the tradition, those by letter is what you see in the Bible.

I guess the teachings are what the OP listed above right?

Stop judging, Christianity as a religion was organised and started by the Romans, who owns the Catholic...the Apostles were men moved by the spirit, they were not Christians, Jesus Christ never mentioned Christianity, his followers were called Christ like, Christ followers, but this religion as we have it today, with Christmas, Easter and the rituals etc, was kicked off by the Romans, though Pentecostal wave came afterwards under Christianity.

OneDollarSalary:
If you were a Muslim nko?

Lol don't even go there.

jesusjnr2020:
I saw this post on social media and it more or less portrayed my thoughts and concerns, hence deemed it wise to also share it here.

If the Catholics indeed claim and believe to have emerged from the early church led the apostles, and Peter was their first bishop or pope, then why the drastic deviation from the example, doctrines and standards set by the apostles and those of the early church?

Moreover where did all the practices in the Catholic church foreign to the early church, things which the apostles never did, such as praying rosary to so-called "Mary", emerge from?

These are some important questions some of our Catholics brethren ought to ask themselves if they truly want to follow Jesus and not the traditions and doctrines of men, because it's beyond glaring that many such practices and doctrines in their Catholic church do not align with those of the apostles and the early church which they claim to have originated from.

If indeed the Catholic church emerged from the early church led by the apostles of Christ, It's my earnest desire to see them return to the example, doctrines and standard set by the apostles and early church which they received from Jesus Christ

God bless.

Shut up

Penguin2:
Why don’t you start by naming the idols that Catholics worship?

Second, Mary lived with the Apostles, why did they need to pray to who they were living with? Maybe you should tell us if the Apostles ever disrespected her or called her an envelope like your theology teaches.

Third, by pray to the dead, you mean saints? So you do not recognize the difference between you and the people who lived with Jesus and suffered martyrdom in some cases to propagate this faith you are now forming opinion on? Like, what makes you think you or your pastor should share same pride of place with Apostle Paul?

And to Purgatory, do you believe that God will send a woman who stole bread 🍞 from a supermarket to feed her hungry children to the same place He would send murderers and cultists?

Are these based on Biblical facts or just the opinions of your priests or pastor?

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

which yeye tradition of the church is that

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

You ignorantly do not know what is pope.
Pope is a title which means Papa, father or the head and his other names are bishop of Rome, successor of st Peter, vicar of Christ, pontiff(bridge builder) etc

We pray through the interception blessed Virgin Mary and other saints, just like she pleaded to her son Jesus Christ during the wedding in Canaan to turn water into wine even when his time for miracles has not yet reached. She even went and told the disciples to do what ever he says cos she knew that her son will never turn her down.

Now there are church traditions that was not written in the Bible but was passed through mouth and it became a tradition.

In the Bible, water has been a means of purification. Just has manifested so many miracles with water, numerous of them.

Now if not that you have been brainwashed, how will you call Catholic possession Satanic?
Is it the Christ the king(corpus christi) where we celebrate the triumphant entry of our Lord just Christ? Which one is satanic?

You talk about mass, Jesus told his disciples after breaking of bread to do it always in his memory. Now celebrating Jesus in the holy Eucharist is wrong? But you go to church every Sunday? Wow.

I will leave you for now to dwell in your ignorance. But I believe I found this post as provocative to people's faith or believe. The moderator should look into it and know if it contradicts there rules.

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

it is this teaching of man made tradition that Christ criticised the Pharisees and Sadducees in mathew 15 : "15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the Law came from Jerusalem to Jesus and asked him, 2 “Why is it that your disciples disobey the teaching handed down by our ancestors? They don't wash their hands in the proper way before they eat!”

3 Jesus answered, “And why do you disobey God's command and follow your own teaching? 4 For God said, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘If you curse your father or your mother, you are to be put to death.’ 5 But you teach that if people have something they could use to help their father or mother, but say, ‘This belongs to God,’ 6 they do not need to honor their father.[a] In this way you disregard God's command, in order to follow your own teaching. 7 You hypocrites! How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you!

8 ‘These people, says God, honor me with their words,
but their heart is really far away from me.
9 It is no use for them to worship me,
because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!’”

Whatever that's not in the New testament is not Christianity. Go and read the history of Roman Catholic church and the orthodox church to get a better understanding of how these churches came to be and how they adopted different pagan practices and arrogated power to themselves.

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

If There was no Catholic Church, there will not be Christianity! Hope you can grasp the implications of this statement!

pdppower:
The apostles as well didn't have women as head of church or as Mummy GO. Where did the Pentecostals see their own?

Shots Fired from your armory from The Pentagon headquarters in the USA hahaha mucheche Hahaha 😂

The Apostles didn't use bulletproof car where did your Yoruba pastors got that from

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Never will i take you serious again on this platform. like what is this?, Christians fighting fellow Christians. this shows you have shallow reasoning. you are not a mature Christian. i will drop a few hint for you. (1)Jesus came not to abolish our cultures and tradition but to amend it, (2)Not everything that happened/took place during the Biblical times were recorded in the Bible, but what is contained in the Holy Bible is enough to give you Salvation. i shook my head in your shame and pity when you included that Catholics attend Mass but the Apostles didn't, like seriously you wrote this?. so what is the difference btw Mass and church service?. you mean there was no gathering of the Apostles at all or what so ever in a place to worship God and break bread?. this shows you a lukewarm Christian. since there is no maturity in you i would have countered all your ten points but your little mind cannot fully comprehend. so i will counter your number 6 point INFANT BAPTISM. why the Catholics do Infant baptism, can you give records of all the individuals that John the Baptist baptized in Jordan River?. Yes Jesus was baptized as an adult at the appointed time set by God(our God is a God of orderliness, God works with time). now what is bad or evil if i a Catholic by nature decides to baptize my child in his infancy and place him under the hands of God to grow in his love and wisdom?. I will leave you with this question, you gave birth to a child, you know what is good and right for the child. do you wait for that child to grow into adult before you enroll and put him/her in a school?. I am proudly a Catholic, like we say a Priest is a Priest forever according to the order of High Priest Melchizedek. Catholic Church is Apostolic and Universal, we have documented doctrines unlike one of the mushroom churches you attend. Have a blessed Sunday

jesusjnr2020:
This also applies to any denomination, not just Catholics, that is practicing anything contrary to that which we read in the Gospels of Jesus which was followed by the apostles and the early church, otherwise they're no different from the Catholic church in that regard.

Therefore they also need to repent and return to the practices and doctrines of the apostles which they received from Jesus.

God bless.

Focus on your salvation and leave the next person.

Does God answer the prayers of Catholics when we call Him? Yes!

If so, go and sleep. Christianity is older and bigger than you.

tobenuel:
Never will i take you serious again on this platform. like what is this?, Christians fighting fellow Christians. this shows you have shallow reasoning. you are not a mature Christian. i will drop a few hint for you. (1)Jesus came not to abolish our cultures and tradition but to amend it, (2)Not everything that happened/took place during the Biblical times were recorded in the Bible, but what is contained in the Holy Bible is enough to give you Salvation. i shook my head in your shame and pity when you included that Catholics attend Mass but the Apostles didn't, like seriously you wrote this?. so what is the difference btw Mass and church service?. you mean there was no gathering of the Apostles at all or what so ever in a place to worship God and break bread?. this shows you a lukewarm Christian. since there is no maturity in you i would have countered all your ten points but your little mind cannot fully comprehend. so i will counter your number 6 point INFANT BAPTISM. why the Catholics do Infant baptism, can you give records of all the individuals that John the Baptist baptized in Jordan River?. Yes Jesus was baptized as an adult at the appointed time set by God(our God is a God of orderliness, God works with time). now what is bad or evil if i a Catholic by nature decides to baptize my child in his infancy and place him under the hands of God to grow in his love and wisdom?. I will leave you with this question, you gave birth to a child, you know what is good and right for the child. do you wait for that child to grow into adult before you enroll and put him/her in a school?. I am proudly a Catholic, like we say a Priest is a Priest forever according to the order of High Priest Melchizedek. Catholic Church is Apostolic and Universal, we have documented doctrines unlike one of the mushroom churches you attend. Have a blessed Sunday

I have also stopped taking him seriously, after he posted a negative thread about my Church.

Interesting post. While it’s true that some Catholic practices developed over centuries, it’s also fair to say that many Christian groups today — including Pentecostal churches — do a number of things that the Apostles equally didn’t do or practice exactly as we see today.

Here are 10 things many Pentecostal churches do that the Apostles didn’t:

1. Use microphones, musical instruments, and sound systems in worship — the early church met in homes, not auditoriums.

2. Hold crusades, conferences, and all-night vigils with themes and posters — the Apostles didn’t organize ministry that way.

3. Collect multiple offerings and “seed faith” donations — the early believers gave freely for needs, not as a transactional formula.

4. Operate personal ministries and brand names (e.g., “XYZ International Ministries”) — the Apostles served under one united church.

5. Build lavish auditoriums and stage designs — the first believers met simply in homes or open spaces.

6. Sell books, CDs, or monetize prophecies — ministry was never commercialized in Acts.

7. Declare “my father in the Lord” culture — though mentorship existed, it was not personality-driven.

8. Use titles like “General Overseer,” “Senior Prophet,” or “Daddy G.O.” — the early church had elders and bishops, not corporate hierarchies.

9. Make altar calls with background music, or learn Tongues to make music (speaking in tongues with lyrics) — salvation was preached and received by conviction of the Spirit, not stage atmosphere.

10. Preach prosperity as a central message — the Apostles emphasized holiness, perseverance, and the hope of eternal life.

Every denomination — Catholic, Pentecostal, or otherwise — has added human structures over time. Some of these help order worship; others drift from the heart of the Gospel.
What truly matters is not which group is “original”, but whether our faith, love, and obedience reflect Christ and His Spirit.

Let’s be humble, teachable, and guided by Scripture, not pride or comparison.
As Paul wrote in Romans 14:17:

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”

May we all return daily to the simplicity of Christ and let the Holy Spirit refine every tradition — Catholic or Pentecostal — to glorify God alone. 🙏🏽

BarrElChapo:
Please leave Catholics out of your dirty mouth. Focus on your Pentecostalism.

Seun, OAM4J this post made deliberately to provoke Catholics and cause an interdenominational uproar on Nairaland.

This is religion thread and it is a welcome topic

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.:
As Catholics we never worship Mary but we honor her and ask for her intersection to her son Jesus Christ.


2. They didn't pray to the dead.: the dead also are intersection means as they lived a righteous life here on earth.

3. They didn't do satanic processions.: what was the procession of Christ the king in the Bible ?

4. They didn't go to mass.: Jesus broke bread and commanded that it should be done in his memory. And that’s what the mass is all about.

5. Scapular.: symbolism of the Virgin Mary who is the mother of God. She made apparitions and charged Christian to have faith using scapulars.

6. Infant baptism: free the child from sins of Adam and Eve even if anything happens to the child as infant.
Acts 16:15 and 16:33) mention whole households being baptized. possibly including children,

7. They didn't believe in purgatory. 2 Maccabees 12:44–46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. Where will they be to be loosed from sin ? In heaven or hell ?

8. They didn't use holy water.: water is symbolically and spiritually important throughout Scripture (for example, in baptism, purification, and miracles like Jesus turning water into wine)

9. They didn't call Peter a pope.: Jesus said Peter is the rock upon which I build my church

10. They didn't bow down or worship idols: we don’t bow down to object it’s only symbolic of what they stand for.

WHETHER CATHOLIC OR PENTECOSTALS ,OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON JESUS CHRIST WHO LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US DELIVERING US FROM THE YOKE OF SIN AND DESTRUCTION.GOD IS WORKING IN DIFFERENT FRONT MANIFESTING HIMSELF TO THOSE WHO WOULD TRULY SEEK HIM WHEREVER THEY FIND THEMSELVES.

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

Bible and tradition is that what the bible teaches or what the early church and apostles taught You are validating the argument of the OP with this your comment

Vinnie2000:
The OP deserve to be BANNED.😕

If you do not understand a Concept, keep shut or ask questions.☹️

It is just like calling Speaking in tongues satanic bcus you dislike it.

BTW,
We should ask the OP if St. Paul or Timothy or Silas ever spoke in tongues?

I kind of hate threads like this sha.

I just wanted to respond based on your question at the end. Paul spoke in tongues. Th3y actually did. Paul even thanked God for speaking in tongues more than the rest.

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

No apostles transferred Church ownership to his wife or children like the GOs and pastors are doing now

Let me go and ask our Mummy GO

Throwback:
What is Mass?

The Apostles did not pray and break bread as mandated by Christ?

What is Pope, Papa etc?
Was Peter not the leader of the flock as appointed by Christ?

Where is GO or Superintendent in the bible?

Jesus didn't Make Peter a pope neither did He make Peter the leader of the flock. He only declared that he will build His church upon Peter's declaration of him being the Messiah and son of God. It has nothing to do with Peter himself but all on the confession of Peter that he is the son of God. It is the declaration that is the Rock and not Peter.
Christ never appointed anyone to lead his church, He leads the church by himself.

Jesus never made any of his disciples greater or subservient to the other. And he made that very clear in chapter Mathew 20: 20 Then the wife of Zebedee came to Jesus with her two sons, bowed before him, and asked him for a favor.

21 “What do you want?” Jesus asked her.

She answered, “Promise me that these two sons of mine will sit at your right and your left when you are King.”

22 “You don't know what you are asking for,” Jesus answered the sons. “Can you drink the cup of suffering that I am about to drink?”

“We can,” they answered.

23 “You will indeed drink from my cup,” Jesus told them, “but I do not have the right to choose who will sit at my right and my left. These places belong to those for whom my Father has prepared them.”

24 When the other ten disciples heard about this, they became angry with the two brothers. 25 So Jesus called them all together and said, “You know that the rulers of the heathen have power over them, and the leaders have complete authority. 26 This, however, is not the way it shall be among you. If one of you wants to be great, you must be the servant of the rest; 27 and if one of you wants to be first, you must be the slave of the others— 28 like the Son of Man, who did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life to redeem many people.”

Read your Bible properly and also read the history of papacy (Pope). It had nothing to do with Peter and all about a clergyman grabbing power through religion when a power vacuum opened up. Papacy is not biblical, it never existed until the medieval era.

Haydens:
The apostles didn't marry.

That's not true, some of them were married. Peter was married.

ACRI:
Face your own race @op. You are not the custodian of Christian or Apostle's values

Run your race with fear and trembling, focus on your journey...you are not a judge and you will never be..

Stop creating dissenting views in the body of Christ, It is only Christians that does this. A house divided against itself will fall.

There are the doctrines of the church embedded in traditions and customs, it is absolutely non of your business how each denomination choose to worship God. If, however God gave you the mandate to be the judge pls continue

The people creating dissenting views in the body of Christ are the ones going contrary to what he preached, which the OP is rightly calling out. The body of Christ does not care about denomination, churches or Daddy GOs but rather the Truth and Love. The Catholic church and Many of these Pentecostal churches have massively deviated from the truth of the bible and should be called out for it.

Throwback:
What is Mass?

The Apostles did not pray and break bread as mandated by Christ?

What is Pope, Papa etc?
Was Peter not the leader of the flock as appointed by Christ?

Where is GO or Superintendent in the bible?

Take them to school