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You tried in your explanations but they didn't add up biblically...for your point 9.Do you remember that Jesus told all the disciples including Peter that "All of you are brothers" he emphasize that they have one father-God,and one master -Jesus.so where did you get from the Bible one person being set aside to bear the names father and master..of note too is that the foundation Jesus spoke of is himself, cos he's the foundation of the congregation and not Peter, infact I hadn't seen anywhere in the new testament where Peter assumed the role of Pope or head over all the other apostles and the church at large in the first century...I no see am..we may have our sentiments but searching deeper for these truths makes real Sense

Olufhemy:
1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
The Prayer to Mary (Rosary) is recited thus:
"Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women & blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus (fund this in Luke 1:28-42)......Holy Mary Mother of God, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, now & at the hour of the death, Amen.
The word PRAY FOR US means INTERCEDE FOR US, just as she interceded at the wedding at CANA & her son couldn't refuse her even when his time had not come -See John 2:1-12)


2. They didn't pray to the dead.
I do not think there's any Christian Group that when their member dies, they do not do Christian wake keep or Funeral service. What is that called -PRAYER FOR THE DEAD.
The Catholics Prayer for the dead is simplified as:
Eternal Rest Prayer
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace. Amen.

These prayers aren't Old as Apostle Paul similarly Prayed in 2 Timothy 1:16-18.


3. They didn't do satanic processions.
My friend may need to expatiate on this as nothing of such has ever been recorded by even Google. What you do not understand may however have led you to so say anyway.


4. They didn't go to mass.
Well, Christ himself offered the first Mass when he broke the bread and commanded -DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME. Matthew 26:17–29


5. Scapular.
Now, people who Criticise longtime Catholic Practices now use Mantles, Wristbands etc.
The idea behind these is a reminder of the Christian Faith. The Scapular contains an image of Christ (or the image reminding everyone of Christ) on one front, and the image of his mother Mary on another side.
Catholics and those devoted to Mary as AN INTERCESSOR put on the scapular, and which still promotes the Christian Faith.

6. Infant baptism.
Much as nowhere was it specified that ONLY ADULTS should be Baptised, Faith however plays a role in Baptism such that even when a Child has no mind as such the faith of the parents suffices since Baptism is a means towards salvation, such that should a Child die young, do we say the Child should not be saved? In Matthew 9:2, Jesus saw the faith of the friends of the paralytic and healed the paralytic. Thus, When people cannot have faith, the faith of family or friends suffices. So it is with infant baptism. The faith of the parents sanctifies the children, as Paul says in 1 Cor. 7:14.


7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
Since the Bible says for “nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27) respite can however be found in 1 Cor 3:15 “He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” Hence fire Purges the sin before he can be saved. Thus the concept of a place called PURGATORY which serves that purpose which is captured in Maccabbees as: Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin” (2 Macc. 12:43–45).

8. They didn't use holy water
Every Christian prays over items these days, such that in Numbers 5:17, mention was made of Holy Water as: A priest takes "holy water" in an earthen vessel and adds dust from the tabernacle floor.
Also, Elijah also blessed water and purified it. See 2 Kings 2:19-22

9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
The word Pope means Leader/ Head. Just as we call our Leader PRESIDENT or PRIME MINISTER as any countrybmay choose.
Unarguably, Christ Made Peter the first head of the Church, and all heads are traced to Peter to whom Christ in Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”

10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.
What is idolatry? Images?
God himself directed the people of Israel to make sculptures on the ark of covenant which they carried about, such that In Exodus 25:22, Yahweh says about the top of the Ark, "There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the covenant, I will deliver to you all my commands for the Israelites"
The box is covered by a lid of pure gold, built to securely cover the box. Capping the lid are two angels sculpted from gold, from which (according to Exodus 25)
Thus, problem arises where the images are worshipped. Catholics do not however worship images, but are a constant call to reminder.
Thanks Pls.

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

The apostle also never had to go to church so where is church coming from.

My dear Jesus jnr if you claim you love God so much and you are a Christian which is the only name coming from the bible, just serve your God. Else when a child is busy looking for what killed the mother, he should be careful because what killed the mother may also kill him. Read your Bible carefully to see all what you listed above. A word is enough for the wise!♥️

aribisala0:
Which God
what is wrong with Africans
some people brought their story book to you and you carry it on your head like Gala

They won't teach you how to industrialise your country which is what should bother you

You are not bothered your people wear second hand clothing or travel to Israel and UAE to be housegirls

You are here arguing about THEIR GOD from THEIR BOOK

BOOK that does not mention Onitsha. Or Ibadan
No room for Chinedu or Nsikan in the book
No place whatsoever for you in any story I. THEIR BOOK


Wake up. Don't sleep

Those are just stories of no usefulness or relevance to THE PEOPLE OF ABEOKUTA OR OGBOMOSHO

When was the Bible written? And when was Nigeria created? So you expect to find Nigeria that was formed in 1960 inside the Bible? You didn't see African countries like Egpyt, Libya and Ethiopia mentioned in the Bible?

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Infact, there are some churches that now have anger Michael day, apostle Peter day etc...It's beyond worshipping Mary now

Mamabugi:
The apostle also never had to go to church so where is church coming from.

My dear Jesus jnr if you claim you love God so much and you are a Christian which is the only name coming from the bible, just serve your God. Else when a child is busy looking for what killed the mother, he should be careful because what killed the mother may also kill him. Read your Bible carefully to see all what you listed above. A word is enough for the wise!♥️

My sister, you need the wisdom more. The apostles never went to church? So why was Paul writing letters to the churches in Corinth, Thessalonia, Rome, Philipi and the rest? Who created those churches? Please read your bible and stop misleading the public. Thank you.

People will just pick their phones and write whatever they like and post online without any knowledge of the argument they're trying to bring up.

GeebeeM:
John 21:25 KJV
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Acts 5:38-39 KJV
And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

Stop quoting scriptures out of context to support your narrative. Read the scripture in-depth to understand.

In the second scripture you quoted, Acts 5: 38-39, the scribes, Sadducees and some others gathered to threaten the apostles to stop preaching the gospel. This is after they have successfully killed Stephen, but still could not deter the rest of the apostles from carrying on with the gospel. So as usual, they arrested and threatened them, but one of them, a man named Gamaliel asked that the apostles should be left alone to continue their mission, that if they're not of God, they will fail on their own.

ekanx27:
The Apostles didn't pay tithe. Where did that originate from?

Jesus taught about the importance of not neglecting tithes (Mat 23:23), though tithing in the absence of genuine repentance and salvation is of no eternal benefits.

The Apostles would have carried on with Christ's teaching on tithe, but not with the contemporary fervour that several denominations employ.

The giving that the Apostle Paul referred to in 1 Corinthians 16:2 would have clearly encompassed tithes.

oroje1:
You tried in your explanations but they didn't add up biblically...for your point 9.Do you remember that Jesus told all the disciples including Peter that "All of you are brothers" he emphasize that they have one father-God,and one master -Jesus.so where did you get from the Bible one person being set aside to bear the names father and master..of note too is that the foundation Jesus spoke of is himself, cos he's the foundation of the congregation and not Peter, infact I hadn't seen anywhere in the new testament where Peter assumed the role of Pope or head over all the other apostles and the church at large in the first century...I no see am..we may have our sentiments but searching deeper for these truths makes real Sense

Thanks bro,
On issue 9,
You appear not to understand that the name POPE is a product of NOMENCLATURE.
No one has said the Bible called it POPE, but the Church called it POPE and every pope is to lead the church to Christ. Or do you suggest that after PETER, the church should have no leader?
Or are you suggesting that PETER was not appointed the first leader of the Christian Community?

The headship of Peter, when Christ rose from the dead, the first disciple to get to the tomb did not go in until Peter got there. At Pentecost, who addressed?
Or are you suggesting that there should be no leadership in Christianity?
How about the title G.O?
Thanks

Gracefilled01:
Stop quoting scriptures out of context to support your narrative. Read the scripture in-depth to understand.

In the second scripture you quoted, Acts 5: 38-39, the scribes, Sadducees and some others gathered to threaten the apostles to stop preaching the gospel. This is after they have successfully killed Stephen, but still could not deter the rest of the apostles from carrying on with the gospel. So as usual, they arrested and threatened them, but one of them, a man named Gamaliel asked that the apostles should be left alone to continue their mission, that if they're not of God, they will fail on their own.

The same way you feel about the Catholic Church. But it has survived these for many centuries. You skipped the first scripture just to find something against my writeup . There must be something about the Catholic church, don't you think?
The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

Funny how you preached hate against the catholic church yet you concluded with shalom which I believe means Peace 😂😂😂

Almunjid:
The term "Roman Catholic" is not used without reason. The Roman Catholic Church is heavily influenced by Roman paganism. For example, they changed the birthday of Jesus to coincide with the feast of their deity, the Roman god Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun). They also shifted the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, the day they worship their sun god. This influence has caused Roman Catholicism to resemble idol worship, which is contrary to true Christianity.

Regarding images of Jesus and Mary, the Bible clearly states in Exodus 20:4-5: "You shall not make for yourself an idol of any kind... You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God." However, Catholics created images of Jesus and Mary and bow down to them in worship.

The Catholic Church has negatively influenced other Christian denominations by introducing these images/pictures, causing believers to focus on them during prayer and attribute supernatural powers to them. They have also influenced many Christians, including apostolic churches, to celebrate the wrong birthday of Jesus and observe Sunday instead of Saturday as the Sabbath.

Overall, Christianity requires a thorough reform because its teachings have been corrupted and many non-biblical doctrines have been added. For instance, the Jehovah’s Witnesses highlighted in their Awake magazine (dated September 8, 1957) that there are reportedly "50,000 Errors in the Bible." This is why they produced their own translation to ensure accuracy. If the Bible contained so many errors, it would result in countless doctrines within Christianity that are not from God. Today, we see many Christians, including those in apostolic churches, deviating from the true teachings of Jesus. Many have been led astray. May God guide and keep us on the right path.


Shalom!

Catholic, Pentecostal, Islam etc go tell you say na their own correct......You know what? Make all of una getat!




The world would have been a better place without religion.

bunnae:
I kind of hate threads like this sha.

I just wanted to respond based on your question at the end. Paul spoke in tongues. Th3y actually did. Paul even thanked God for speaking in tongues more than the rest.

Hehehehe
Are you sure Paul spoke in ChikaroboChikaraba tongues Nigerian christians of today are speaking?😏

Make una continue decieving/confusing una self till da kingdom 🫴🫴 come.

Would you become a Catholic if these questions are well answered?
Why do you bother yourself with other denominations and religion? Where did you learn it from? Which of the Apostles did you get it from?
The scripture says, '...looking unto Jesus; the author and finisher of our faith'. Why are you fixated on Catholic church? What point are you trying to prove? That your church is the best and catholic is not? And to what end?
You can do better. And you should do better.

femi4:
Infact, there are some churches that now have anger Michael day, apostle Peter day etc...It's beyond worshipping Mary now

Catholic Church is a Traditional and Historical church
So if they say they know Peter's or John the Baptist Birthday, do NOT argue.

Black men CANNOT compete with Oyibo in terms of Record keeping.

Pple that knows the birthday of Shakespeare, Hitler, Napoleon, Isaac Newton, etc.

As for Praying to Saints, Catholic Church believe in Intercession.
Just like Abraham tried to make God not Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Mary and the Saints can Intercede on behalf of the Sinful Pple of the world.

GeebeeM:
The same way you feel about the Catholic Church. But it has survived these for many centuries. You skipped the first scripture just to find something against my writeup . There must be something about the Catholic church, don't you think?
The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

I focused on the second scripture because it happened to fall within my Bible study area since last week.

Please note that not every fake or deceptive doctrines, churches or teachers will be destroyed, some will make it to the last day. Evil will still persist alongside good, until God’s final judgment comes, this is what Christ was trying to teach in Matthew 13: 24-30. Shalom.

Gracefilled01:
When was the Bible written? And when was Nigeria created? So you expect to find Nigeria that was formed in 1960 inside the Bible? You didn't see African countries like Egpyt, Libya and Ethiopia mentioned in the Bible?

So before Nigeria was formed there were no black people?
People did not live here ?
They did not speak Igbo or Urhobo?

Use your brain ? Think before you talk

No I did not see Ijaw or Ogoni or Efik in the Bible

That tells me whatever is in the Bible is not my business
It is a Hebrew story book
Nothing to do with us

I am not Egyptian or Ethiopian or Libyan. We are not related

I am interested in industrialisation not when the Bible was written

How shall we industrialise and lift our people from poverty not in childish tales?

Not in the storybook of foreigners telling fairy tales about Noah and his Ark, separation of the sea so chosen people can cross or manna from heaven?

Those stories are not relevant to Edos Yorubas or Ijaws

aribisala0:
So before Nigeria was formed there were no black people?
People did not live here ?
They did not speak Igbo or Urhobo?

Use your brain ? Think before you talk

No I did not see Ijaw or Ogoni or Efik in the Bible

That tells me whatever is in the Bible is not my business
It is a Hebrew story book
Nothing to do with us

I am not E

So every country must be mentioned in the Bible? I ask again, did you see Egypt, Ethiopia and Cyrene there? Or those are also Hebrew Nations? Get help bro, repent before you perish.

Vinnie2000:
Hehehehe
Are you sure Paul spoke in ChikaroboChikaraba tongues Nigerian christians of today are speaking?😏

He spoke in tongues. Let's just end it there.

Gracefilled01:
So every country must be mentioned in the Bible? I ask again, did you see Egypt, Ethiopia and Cyrene there? Or those are also Hebrew Nations? Get help bro, repent before you perish.

No

Every country must not be mentioned

just those that it is for

It is not for Yoruba people so we are not mentioned

Just as Hebrews are not mentioned in Yoruba stories

The bible is not for black people especially those in West Africa where I come from
Neither Bible nor Quran are for us

They only help keep our people brainwashed and backward

What we need in Nigeria today number one electricity and knowledge of how to master its production and distribution


NOT KNOWLEDGE OF SOMEBODY'S STORY BOOK

If you are not a Catholic, I advise you mind your own business.

Hello and greetings, Jesusjnr2020 from your post of which I just perused about the perceived Catholic doctrines and teachings it is very clear and obvious you are ignorant and needs sound Catholic education on some of its doctrines and teachings,you have a very poor,bad perception about the Catholic faith and so therefore you need to be thoroughly enlightened about the Catholic faith, doctrines and it's teachings. for want of time, I want you to get and read the following Catholic books and texts for proper information, knowledge and education about the Catholic faith 1) Catholic bulletin 2) catechism book 3) catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC) 4) Canon Laws of the Catholic Church 5) How to pray the Rosary chaplet 6) Also visit the Catholic website www.catholic.org.) 7)The Catholic mass and it's meaning. Etc please note when reading the following Catholic books, I want you to cross-check and marry its wordings and teachings with the Bible to confirm if it is in tandem and falls in line with the Bible. As you read through May God Almighty Grant you wisdom, understanding, profound knowledge and insight about the Catholic Church, faith and it's doctrinal teachings Amen.

Would i be correct if conclude you picked all your points from the Bible?

The Catholic Church existed also before the Bible. The Apostles never read or used a Bible.

The Bible was compiled by the catholic church.

Most foolish thread of all times. Not worth any thought of explanation

Every so often, another Catholic basher turns up with their blah blah list. Una never tire! The church has been bashed for two thousand years and still stands. These untruths have been debunked countless times.

If you’ve never been to the Holy Land, I beg you to visit. You’ll find that almost every holy site is run and cared for by the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The real custodians of the Christian faith, in effect, have always been these apostolic churches. What would you do when you find that the worship of God at these sites differs from yours? How do you think Christians actually worshipped in the early days?

The faith itself(even the Bible canon)was established through countless discussions, councils, and disagreements.) Yet centuries later, people still throw out one line untruths to attack it. None of this has ever shaken the Church, and it never will. It keeps growing steadily, and maybe one day OP and others will realise that all the bashing is pointless.

Christianity in the Bible cannot be separated from how it developed over time. Please do a bit of research to understand the practices before condemning them.
pls note the church is the adversary of satan and doesn't carry out satan processions. It invests deeply in the rite of exorcism and in training exorcists. Many non-catholics don’t even realise that cases of serious demonic possession in their own churches are often referred to the Catholic Church for help.

ayoplenty:
Funny how you preached hate against the catholic church yet you concluded with shalom which I believe means Peace 😂😂😂

Lol, so, if I say the truth about Roman Catholic idol worship, I shouldn't end my statement with "peace"? Na "war" I for take end am abi? 😂

"Shalom aleichem" is a Hebrew greeting that means "peace be upon you," to which the traditional response is "Aleichem shalom" ("and upon you be peace" ).

Shalom aleichem – (As)salamu Alaikum
Aleichem shalom – (Wa) Alaikum Salam


Salam!

Originalsly:
I guess this is the heart of the thread. If you skip over the meaning of emerged you would be exactly where you are on the Catholic Church . The hundreds of various 'churches' we have today have emerged from other churches. Each has gone its way with its own doctrine ... none the same as the church they emerged from. The Catholic Church is no different ... they simply emerged earlier. Don't expect them to be the same ... they do their own thing ... using the Bible as a base ... adopting what they want ... twisting what they want .. leaving out what they want and adding what they want. If one is ok with their version ... their doctrine then one should feel free to join up. If one isn't ok with it then he should find another "church" or like many others ...start their own .

So if the Catholic church only emerged earlier as you state, could you please let us know which church it emerged from. Surely it must still exist plus their historical records and writings?

Gracefilled01:
I focused on the second scripture because it happened to fall within my Bible study area since last week.

Please note that not every fake or deceptive doctrines, churches or teachers will be destroyed, some will make it to the last day. Evil will still persist alongside good, until God’s final judgment comes, this is what Christ was trying to teach in Matthew 13: 24-30. Shalom.

Pope Leo is the 267th Pope. Most congregations will not survive the demise of their founders. Haven said that,
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12. The Catholic Church is not the problem, the battle is to be saved on the Last day. Peace be with you.