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Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 12:43pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
I pity Christian who don't study their Bible like their life depends on it. Everything happening now is already clearly foretold to the last minutest detail. Only if we are honest to study history side by side with Daniel, The prophets, Revelation, then all this fables will be condemned to where it belongs. Thrash meant for weak minded
When you are full of sins, you cannot read the Bible. The Bible would be burning you
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 1:03pm On Oct 31, 2025
Ourtruth247:
I am going to respond to you because you raised some good points

The information regarding our current predicament on earth is gotten from various sources who all say the same thing. These sources include Ancient esoteric texts, gnostic texts, evidence from past life hypnotic regression therapy, evidence from CIA declassified psychic experiments, evidence from covert government funded psychedelic experiments, documented statements from prominent remote viewers and psychics, accounts from multiple shamans, multiple accounts from people who have experienced ODEs, various other accounts from those who have practiced Astral projection and interacted with benevolent beings on the astral plane, multiple accounts from people who have had their third eyes opened and various leaked emails from top global government officials

All these sources corroborate each other. Bare in mind that I have also spent over 12 years on this research, so I have had time to compile all these accounts and compare the information from all of these sources, and they are all similar. You on the other hand have only gotten your knowledge from a book that was compiled by those who control you.

I realized I didn't make the distinction between the creator of the universe and those who engineered life on earth. There is a divine intelligence that expresses itself throughout all of life. I call this divine intelligence source energy. This divine intelligence isn't a physical form that has anthropomorphic features and has a son. It is infinite energy and it's the totality of all that is. I hate using the term God because it has been bastardized by these malevolent beings.

This physical plain with the oceans, skies, mountains, trees etc. these are all products of this divine intelligence / source energy.

The current lifeforms on earth are engineered by the beings who control us today. These evil beings aren't the creators of the universe. They like to pretend that they are to satisfy their narcissistic desire to be worshipped and their sadistic desire to control and enslave.

When I speak of genetic engineering, I speak of modification of the encoding of the DNA to manifest specific attributes and behaviors. These beings didn't create life. They simply used their advanced understanding of genetics to modify, replicate and multiply life.

The best way to look at it is that the genetic source code already existed, they understood it and modified it to fit their design and goals, hence why they can engineer a lifeform to instinctively stalk, hunt and kill another for food, and modify their biology to depend on killing to survive

You raised another question. You wondered how if humans are multiplying, where are the new souls coming from.

Not every human on earth has a soul. And there are reptilian souls who occupy human bodies and have been doing so for generations.

A reptilian soul can reincarnate into a human body if it chooses. Also a reptilian can mate with a human and give birth to hybrids. All of these people don't get memory wiped when they die. They still retain their memories and continue ruling in different bodies over generations.

There are also human bodies who are souless and used as tools to deceive, lure and derail actual souls from attaining enlightenment.
This world is complex no doubt.
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But that supreme intelligence is Jehovah who made the universe and humans. Humans as we are is a product of the supreme God not reptilian.
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There are fallen beings, demons and all sort who invade human, who use their body, or space shift for their own evil agenda of deceiving and destroying humans ... And their operation should not be lumped together with Jehovah..
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You cited evidence from astral projection, CIA spirit science, drug induced altered consciousness, demon induced clairvoyant ability and all.... But you will not acknowledge the visions, knowledge and revelation from the holy prophets of God. This is quite bold... And only reeks of intellectual dishonesty and knowledge cherry picking. Like you believe astral projection and the beings and creature they meet in the astral plane, but you won't believe what Daniel saw, what John wrote in revelation and what Ezekiel saw about the glory and throme of Jehovah... Lol... Funny people.
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It's like believing counterfeit while rejecting original... Person like you will believe babalawo, Ifa priest, but to believe Holy Prophets is the issue because it's written in the scripture... Okay no worry. The one written by Oyinbo and astral projector is evidence and truth but I should reject the visions of Prophet Daniel, Isaiah, John, Ezekiel and Jeremiah... The level of the deception is truly thick
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 1:08pm On Oct 31, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
When you are full of sins, you cannot read the Bible. The Bible would be burning you
That is actually the problem
When I was hopeless in sin and lost and buried in the false knowledge of this world, Bible was like a literature and something to make fun of... But I thank God for saving me and having mercy on me... Sin and unbelief will truly makes the light of the bible inaccessible to the lost
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 1:10pm On Oct 31, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
See people who hate their lives
And also hate their God
Re: This topic has been removed by Kayberg: 1:13pm On Oct 31, 2025
Hilarious post. 🤣🤣🤣
You hate GOD does not mean you can make another person do… especially those who know the True GOD.

“And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.”
— Daniel 11:32 (KJV)
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 1:26pm On Oct 31, 2025
Ourtruth247:
Wars and Genocides

Wars and genocides are the primary tools used by these beings for loosh farming. Because humans are their favorite source of food, humans have to suffer and die in thousands constantly, because death and suffering produces enormous amounts of loosh

Throughout our recorded history there has never been a period when wars haven't been fought between nations and within nations. Sometimes genocides accompany these wars, other times genocides occur independent of wars.

Over the last 100 years there have been more than 50 large scale wars that have resulted in the death of hundreds of millions of people.

World war 2 recorded over 70 million dead people. That's more than the population of most countries.

There have also been genocides over the last 50 years that have led to the deaths of millions. Currently there is a genocide going on in Palestine

All of these wars and genocides are possible because those in control of our world need the loosh produced from the deaths and suffering in order to survive

Do you know who else loves wars and genocides? The Christian and Muslim god

It's all starting to make sense isn't it?
Oga stop lying.
The Christian God doesn't like war. Say that to the Muslim God.
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Before there was need of God's people to war, Egypt and the gods of Egypt enslaved Gods people.
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And the earth was already occupied by humans who have rejected God, who has began to peddle violence, idolatry, blood shedding, human sacrifices and all, and God needed to stamp his authority and makes known his power among the deities that control those empires and civilization.
So it was important for God to allow his people defeat those other people who sworn allegiance to demons and are ruled by deities and principalities.... That was the necessities for the wars fought by the Israelites. It was a clash of superiority and to instill into the mind of the Israelites that God was the supreme God over those people gods God would disgrace, defeat and handle their land to Gods people...
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Aside, that, Israelites are mostly not the aggressors, the land around would challange them to battle because they believe their gods and arsenal could defeat the small nation isreal. But God had to always make himself known even in battle if need be for Israelites to understand Jehovah was the true God. The defeat suffered by Israelites also was the result of rebellion, and not the fact that Jehovah loved war as you claim.

The end of system of things promises a world without war. Which will bring long lasting peace and end to suffering.
So how then do you always say God loved war and fed off Loosh produced through human death and suffering? These are lies and deception. Only demons can feed off lust, wars, violence, human suffering and all negative emotions. Not Jehovah.
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Jehovah is holy. His throne is governed by peace, love, justice and righteousness. Doesn't feed on Loosh... Except deities.
Stop conflating Jehovah with lesser deities. His son is called the Prince of peace for a reason. Not Prince of war or violence feeding off Loosh
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 1:51pm On Oct 31, 2025
Ourtruth247:
The purpose of existence

What's the purpose for which you exist on this earth. The answer the bible gives is that we live to fear god, serve him and keep his commandments so that when we die, we go to heaven to worship god for all eternity

Given everything I have said so far, doesn't this sound so strange? You basically exist to worship and serve a being and even when you die, you keep serving that being for all eternity and if you refuse to serve this being, you get thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity

This is not only sick, it's very sadistic.

However I will propose to you a different reason for why we exist. We are souls. Our souls are an extension of the divine source energy. Souls are able to expand their consciousness through experience. Souls take on physical forms to learn, grow and evolve. When this physical form dies, they take on another and when the soul reaches the peak of consciousness, it returns to source.

But because a soul has free will it can choose to take what it has learned over its multiple reincarnations and use it for good or for bad.

Think about the level of spiritual and technological development humans on earth would have reached if we could retain our past memories after death? That's the major reason for the memory wipe. It keeps us in a state of perpetual ignorance, where we are wiped clean every time our physical bodies die.

If we were allowed to retain our memories, we would realize our predicament and fight back.

You are not on earth to worship and serve a being. This is a pervasion of the truth. You are an eternal soul currently in bondage and the only way to escape that bondage is through enlightenment.

This is why I keep on spreading this information. If the human race as a whole can collectively understand the truth, these beings would lose their control over us and be forced to flee.
The only being that you should be concerned about whose activity and ploys impact humanity is Satan and his agents.
They are the one keeping you in bondage and darkeness that your mind may not see the saving light of the Gospel of Christ.
Either you love it or not, God created us for his pleasure that we may express his glory, power and praise. The best state you can become is expressing his glory, reflecting his praise, making your life a testament to his power, otherwise, the devil will make you express his own power, wisdom and praise, like being his agent. And at the end he will discard you, and off to eternal destruction.

You have to pick which side you want to be. There is no void or middle ground here.

That was why Elijah told the prophets of Baal, "how long would you waiver between two opinions, If Jehovah be God worship him, and if Baal be God worship him".
No humans can run away from worship. Worship is an essence of the universe and the soul. Even your children worships you, and you don't count it as perversion, you someway worship your kings, President and parents, but to honour God your creator is a problem.
You see, those feeling/sentiments are the traits of Lucifer who wanted to be independent who doesn't want to defer to the Almighty. Rebellion of he that was made against his maker. Pride against your creator is a satanic trait.

It's true that western ideology wants us to be boss, and not a servant but Jesus came to teach us service and servant hood and he demonstrated that by servanthood, humility, dependence on God by praying to him and acknowledgement of our limitations, being the only route to greatness in his kingdom. But the devil will give you an opposite wisdom.
If Jesus can worship God, prayed to him and dependent on him. What are humans ordinary grasss and clay
You talked about worshipping God in eternity. You will be mistaken you already know exactly everything that awaits believers in his Kingdom. No you don't. You can't even fathom. And the life and glory that awaits believers in eternity can not be understood or fathom, we can sum it up and say worship... But it's more than that because scripture says eyes has not seen, ears has not heard, nor has it come to the mind of man the plans God have in eternity for those that love and seek him.
So don't live by your false assumptions thinking only Hallelujah is done there. Receive Christ, believe God and you will know Gods glory is worth seeking
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 2:01pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
That is actually the problem
When I was hopeless in sin and lost and buried in the false knowledge of this world, Bible was like a literature and something to make fun of... But I thank God for saving me and having mercy on me... Sin and unbelief will truly makes the light of the bible inaccessible to the lost
In my case, it did me somehow. I did not like how I feel when I hear the word bible and I found it even difficult to touch it. And when I did gra gra to even read it, in 1 minute I have dropped it. The Bible is powerful and makes sinners allergic to it.
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 2:08pm On Oct 31, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
In my case, it did me somehow. I did not like how I feel when I hear the word bible and I found it even difficult to touch it. And when I did gra gra to even read it, in 1 minute I have dropped it. The Bible is powerful and makes sinners allergic to it.
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I swear. grin
The Bible exposes and convicts the life of sin in us.
It's like Adam running away to hide from God. It's a natural response when the devil is in total control of our lives.
Anytime I remember those time, I always feel bad, especially stumbling on the rubbish I wrote and believed against the scripture and Christianity.
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Thank God for forgiveness and restoration.
Re: This topic has been removed by Hhh4444: 2:08pm On Oct 31, 2025
OKOATA:
Bros abeg no tell me say na you form all these things cos at the end of the day na inside book you read am. Although I believe in reincarnation cos people who go into coma usually don't remember a thing so no doubt but years back Nigeria was around 100M and now we are about 250M so the world population keeps increasing. Does it means new souls are being created and reincarnated. Lol.. For your aspect about God that's your believe though.

A phone has a maker, gadgets and all have a maker. Definitely humans have a maker. Do you think it's by coincidence that we are in the likeness of our maker? You that you can't create your own brain or see inside of it and how it functions assume God doesn't exist. Wait that sun that's mighty and blazing hot up there in the sky do you think the entity who created such can be stayed close to? If the entity created the sun bros it's impossible to see such a being without perishing. Merely looking at the sun alone can blind ones eyes. Do you expect to see such an entity who created such? And for fear you are mentioning yes humans are created in fear, subjugation and that's how the life of humans is. So whether humans are afraid of the entity or not doesn't matter.
If we go by your reasoning that everything has a maker,then who created God? Don't tell me God created itself.
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 2:12pm On Oct 31, 2025
Ourtruth247:
The purpose of existence

What's the purpose for which you exist on this earth. The answer the bible gives is that we live to fear god, serve him and keep his commandments so that when we die, we go to heaven to worship god for all eternity

Given everything I have said so far, doesn't this sound so strange? You basically exist to worship and serve a being and even when you die, you keep serving that being for all eternity and if you refuse to serve this being, you get thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity

This is not only sick, it's very sadistic. ..
So as we are talking now, we worshipping God? Or the millions who have gone to a work are serving Him in His Office? Or the millions who are eating, drinking carrying oloshos, killing, stealing etc are not doing it for themselves abi?

And did you not applaud when your fellow man threw his fellow man called yahoo boys and drug dealers and child defilers into their own version of lake of fire?

I thank God, it is already your portion
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited:
Hhh4444:
If we go by your reasoning that everything has a maker,then who created God? Don't tell me God created itself.
Why do you want to know who created God.
Who told you you have the capacity to know who created God even if he were created?
Do you even know who your true Father is, or the true father of your great grand father. Except that you were told, and a man told you his your father. Can you verify the claim? What if you were adopted? What if you were a product of paternity fraud that your mom never revealed to you or anyone. What if your great grandfather was a product of paternity fraud too. How can you establish such truth but you want to know the Father that Father the father of God .
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You don't even have capacity to know who truly was your father you want to know who created God....
Does that even make any sense? Like God of the whole universe O. Yet he gave us a witness through his prophets and scripture that his knowledge/wisdom is unsearchable, u want to search it bro? But u can't even have proof of the true Father of your great grandpa.
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Oga, better go and sit down and seek mercy. Who do you think you are.
Re: This topic has been removed by CaptainJune: 2:18pm On Oct 31, 2025
Ourtruth247, in all honesty, I am an open-minded person who loves to consume written material flavoured with intellectual value. However, in your case, I take an exception. You have garnished your presentation with lies about the true God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins and mine. You have allowed yourself to become the mouthpiece of lying spirits who want nothing but the destruction of the entire human race who are made in the image of God.

You have been manipulated and have bought into the lies of malevolent, spiteful, deceiving, loathful fallen spirits who masquerade as aliens with the aim to keep you from the very truth you seek – the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no truth outside of Him because He is the truth.

Do not forget we warned you. The devil hates you, he hates us, the image of God. He knows that the best way to destroy mankind is to keep them from seeing the truth that will lead to their salvation. Do you ever wonder why he is called the father of lies? Now he is lying through you that Elohim delights in child sacrifice and killings. Nothing can be further from the truth. It is written God is love and whoever loves his brother, even his enemies, knows God. The devil does not want you to see this truth.
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 2:24pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
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I swear. grin
The Bible exposes and convicts the life of sin in us.
It's like Adam running away to hide from God. It's a natural response when the devil is in total control of our lives.
Anytime I remember those time, I always feel bad, especially stumbling on the rubbish I wrote and believed against the scripture and Christianity.
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Thank God for forgiveness and restoration.
In my days God was on ground and we had a natural fear for Him, so I just pity people who speak anyhow about Him, especially when the bible even fore said so, yet stu... children still fell into it. What a pafuka generation
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 2:38pm On Oct 31, 2025
CaptainJune:
Ourtruth247, in all honesty, I am an open-minded person who loves to consume written material flavoured with intellectual value. However, in your case, I take an exception. You have garnished your presentation with lies about the true God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins and mine. You have allowed yourself to become the mouthpiece of lying spirits who want nothing but the destruction of the entire human race who are made in the image of God.

You have been manipulated and have bought into the lies of malevolent, spiteful, deceiving, loathful fallen spirits who masquerade as aliens with the aim to keep you from the very truth you seek – the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no truth outside of Him because He is the truth.

Do not forget we warned you. The devil hates you, he hates us, the image of God. He knows that the best way to destroy mankind is to keep them from seeing the truth that will lead to their salvation. Do you ever wonder why he is called the father of lies? Now he is lying through you that Elohim delights in child sacrifice and killings. Nothing can be further from the truth. It is written God is love and whoever loves his brother, even his enemies, knows God. The devil does not want you to see this truth.
If you read the Bible you would see that some people are unsavable and op is one of them.
Re: This topic has been removed by gotnel: 2:53pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
Religion is the eyes and guide of science.
Religion/spirituality start where science stops.
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Science without religion is blind
Very correct.
However, it is not the way we handle religion in this part of the world.
Our religious characters are not scientific.
That is why we remain backwards.
Re: This topic has been removed by OKOATA(m): 3:06pm On Oct 31, 2025
Hhh4444:
If we go by your reasoning that everything has a maker,then who created God? Don't tell me God created itself.
If you are looking for who created God then he isn't God. What it means is that God created himself. He's eternity, he's been there before time, space and everything called knowledge we know today. So if you want to know who created God then God created himself.
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 3:30pm On Oct 31, 2025
Hhh4444:
If we go by your reasoning that everything has a maker,then who created God? Don't tell me God created itself.
Everyone knows that when we say everything we mean the things we have seen and experienced in this world.
So, your question is invalid and out of place
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 3:34pm On Oct 31, 2025
OKOATA:
If you are looking for who created God then he isn't God. What it means is that God created himself. He's eternity, he's been there before time, space and everything called knowledge we know today. So if you want to know who created God then God created himself.
This is wrong.
No man knows how God came about and it is not relevant.

The relevant part is that He is before us and before our time and world that we know. So if he cannot say something about the everything we all know, then it is his loss.

For it does not matter where God comes from for that is a different topic out of the scope.
Re: This topic has been removed by Hhh4444: 4:22pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
Why do you want to know who created God.
Who told you you have the capacity to know who created God even if he were created?
Do you even know who your true Father is, or the true father of your great grand father. Except that you were told, and a man told you his your father. Can you verify the claim? What if you were adopted? What if you were a product of paternity fraud that your mom never revealed to you or anyone. What if your great grandfather was a product of paternity fraud too.
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You don't even have capacity to know who truly was your father you want to know who created God....
Does that even make any sense? Like God of the whole universe O. Yet he gave us a witness through his prophets and scripture that his knowledge/wisdom is unsearchable, u want to search it bro? But u can't even have proof of the true Father of your great grandpa.
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Oga, better go and sit down and seek mercy
one issue I have with you people is throwing insults around when explaining something....The God you are addressing as "he",how are you so sure it's a male gender and not female. Op has always encouraged us to be open minded,but here you are already concluding God's gender because one religious book that was written by human being like you told you so...one thing that I have always learnt is to to keep asking questions and not accept everything I hear or read hook line and sinker.
Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited:
Hhh4444:
one issue I have with you people is throwing insults around when explaining something....The God you are addressing as "he",how are you so sure it's a male gender and not female. Op has always encouraged us to be open minded,but here you are already concluding God's gender because one religious book that was written by human being like you told you so...one thing that I have always learnt is to to keep asking questions and not accept everything you hear or read hook line and sinker.
The scripture is not the thought of man.
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The Bible said God inspired holy men to write the word of God.
Peter said as holy prophets were moved and inspired so they spoke.
All prophesy in the Bible was not written by the will of man. Timothy said all scriptures are written by the inspiration of God.
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Genesis said God created Adam in his Image. That means Adam being male was the true copy of the image of God.
But Eve was created out of Adam. If God was Female, he would probably have created Adam female and make a male out of his rib.... This is straight forward....
You can't classify Bible like the literature you read for your UTME
Re: This topic has been removed by OKOATA(m): 5:01pm On Oct 31, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
This is wrong.
No man knows how God came about and it is not relevant.

The relevant part is that He is before us and before our time and world that we know. So if he cannot say something about the everything we all know, then it is his loss.

For it does not matter where God comes from for that is a different topic out of the scope.
What do you mean by this is wrong, I only answered him according to his questions. Me that don't know how I was formed in the womb is the one that wants to know who created God. That means I dey kraze na.
Re: This topic has been removed by correctguy101(m): 5:10pm On Oct 31, 2025
Where did this FreeSpirited come from? He come aggressive pass dem Ebuka of back then. Maximus you have to handle this person abeg.

Well, if anyone were to be honest with themselves, the God that commanded the massacres of the old testament, slaughtering the old, young and even infants (animal sef no safe) is different from the peace loving God Jesus preached about. You expect God to give you eternal life but in Genesis he already withheld that privilege as he never wanted his supposed creatures to even have common sense. He got angry when their eyes opened and drove them away before they could eat from the second tree and gain eternal life. The records are there in your holy book. Or you wan show us anywhere in ya holy book where Satan was explicitly mentioned killing or sending someone to kill? The records only mentioned Yahweh and when Satan was even mentioned, he was under Yahweh's order to show Job shege. Only Yahweh sent angels to kill, sent lying spirits and spirits of deceit. Jesus spoke against all these and made it clear say na devil dey do all these things. So once again, the God of the old testament, is entirely different from the one Jesus represents.

It's like two extremes.

Anyhow you plan to twist the narrative to suit your beliefs is your problem. Know that most of us were once Christians and had once convinced ourselves with the same arguments. Knowing is different from believing. You don't believe one plus one is two, you know it.

If I go even pick any faith again sef, na to research more on Jesus and his God than waste my time telling people about the war god Yahweh.

Some of you even believe the narrative of your ancestors being devil worshippers.

It's okay not to know. See as una begin dismissing the question of who created God. It's one of those questions that exposes how arrogant you people are.
Anyhow e be sha, na una know.
Re: This topic has been removed by Hhh4444: 5:13pm On Oct 31, 2025
FreeSpirited:
The scripture is not the thought of man.
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The Bible said God inspired holy men to write the word of God.
Peter said as holy prophets were moved and inspired so they spoke.
All prophesy in the Bible was not written by the will of man. Timothy said all scriptures are written by the inspiration of God.
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Genesis said God created Adam in his Image. That means Adam being male was the true copy of the image of God.
But Even was created out of Adam. If God was Female, he would probably have created Adam female and make a male out of his rib.... This is straight forward....
You can't classify Bible like the literature you read for your UTME
Are you aware the bible you put your whole trust in has been edited overtime? Many things were removed and many things were added just for the purpose of controlling people. What stops that same God from inspiring you and not relying on the writings of those that claimed to have been inspired by God?look around the world today,so much injustice,pain and suffering and you still believe this is a design of a loving God.
Re: This topic has been removed by correctguy101(m): 5:24pm On Oct 31, 2025
Hhh4444:
Are you aware the bible you put your whole trust in has been edited overtime? Many things were removed and many things were added just for the purpose of controlling people. What stops that same God from inspiring you and not relying on the writings of those that claimed to have been inspired by God?look around the world today,so much injustice,pain and suffering and you still believe this is a design of a loving God.
Oh, do you not know?

The argument is that the world is under the influence of the devil.

And God does not need to inspire anyone anymore, he's already inspired some the people who decided which book should be among the holy ..."scriptures"...
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Re: This topic has been removed by FreeSpirited: 5:24pm On Oct 31, 2025
correctguy101:
Where did this FreeSpirited come from? He come aggressive pass dem Ebuka of back then. Maximus you have to handle this person abeg.

Well, if anyone were to be honest with themselves, the God that commanded the massacres of the old testament, slaughtering the old, young and even infants (animal sef no safe) is different from the peace loving God Jesus preached about. You expect God to give you eternal life but in Genesis he already withheld that privilege as he never wanted his supposed creatures to even have common sense. He got angry when their eyes opened and drove them away before they could eat from the second tree and gain eternal life. The records are there in your holy book. Or you wan show us anywhere in ya holy book where Satan was explicitly mentioned killing or sending someone to kill? The records only mentioned Yahweh and when Satan was even mentioned, he was under Yahweh's order to show Job shege. Only Yahweh sent angels to kill, sent lying spirits and spirits of deceit. Jesus spoke against all these and made it clear say na devil dey do all these things. So once again, the God of the old testament, is entirely different from the one Jesus represents.

It's like two extremes.

Anyhow you plan to twist the narrative to suit your beliefs is your problem. Know that most of us were once Christians and had once convinced ourselves with the same arguments. Knowing is different from believing. You don't believe one plus one is two, you know it.

If I go even pick any faith again sef, na to research more on Jesus and his God than waste my time telling people about the war god Yahweh.

Some of you even believe the narrative of your ancestors being devil worshippers.

It's okay not to know. See as una begin dismissing the question of who created God. It's one of those questions that exposes how arrogant you people are.
Anyhow e be sha, na una know.
If you have an enemy more powerful than you, and ready to kill you and your lineage and you now get a spirit, a god, or deity to fight that enemy for you, and he end up destroying the enemy and the spiritual powers of the enemy and his descendants, won't you be happy?

Will you say why did the spirit you called killed your enemy?

You want Adam to eat tree of life after corrupting himself? So that evil people can live forever? Inagine all the whites that killed Africans and enslaved them was still alive including all the evil people in the past. Is that a world you want?
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How would you want a world of evil or evil people to live forever, doing what? That's what you call for by saying Adam should have been allowed to eat tree of life....
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Oga your leaving Christianity is nothing to celebrate. You only fell into deception, I once fell into that deception, but Christ helped me out by himself, and since, the only structure that I believe can help you know God is first yourself, second your honesty and real determination to know God. Three your readiness to follow God's will if God is revealed to you.
Church won't reveal God to you because most churches have been hijacked and corrupted.
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The question is, are you truly ready to know God? Are you ready to forsake your sin? Will you accept God's will and instructions? You can't click all these boxes with honesty and God won't reveal himself through his word. He will encounter you directly..... But where is the readiness and humility? You can't come to God with pride and full of wisdom....
.. Like who are you?
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OKOATA:
What do you mean by this is wrong, I only answered him according to his questions. Me that don't know how I was formed in the womb is the one that wants to know who created God. That means I dey kraze na.
You have said it, you don't know. What is wrong is for you to say that God created Himself. You are not expected to know that and neither does the other person asking you too.

It is even off point for the everything you are talking about is referring to the things we have seen and not about things no man can know
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FreeSpirited:
If you have an enemy more powerful than you, and ready to kill you and your lineage and you now get a spirit, a god, or deity to fight that enemy for you, and he end up destroying the enemy and the spiritual powers of the enemy and his descendants, won't you be happy?

Will you say why did the spirit you called killed your enemy?

You want Adam to eat tree of life after corrupting himself? So that evil people can live forever? Inagine all the whites that killed Africans and enslaved them was still alive including all the evil people in the past. Is that a world you want?
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How would you want a world of evil or evil people to live forever, doing what? That's what you call for by saying Adam should have been allowed to eat tree of life....
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Oga your leaving Christianity is nothing to celebrate. You only fell into deception, I once fell into that deception, but Christ helped me out by himself, and since, the only structure that I believe can help you know God is first yourself, second your honesty and real determination to know God. Three your readiness to follow God's will if God is revealed to you.
Church won't reveal God to you because most churches have been hijacked and corrupted.
.
The question is, are you truly ready to know God? Are you ready to forsake your sin? Will you accept God's will and instructions? You can't click all these boxes with honesty and God won't reveal himself through his word. He will encounter you directly..... But where is the readiness and humility? You can't come to God with pride and full of wisdom....
.. Like who are you?
Don't hurry brother.

Look at the bolded and go read Yahweh's pronouncements when Adam ate from the tree of knowledge. It was recorded that "MAN HAS NOW BECOME LIKE US, KNOWING GOOD AND BAD". ...

He became like his God, knowing good and bad. Not evil and corrupt. And that was his crime, so the chance to eat what will give eternal life and complete the transformation was denied him. It's in the book. I didn't put it there. Straight to the point, that was how it was recorded.
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Dtruthspeaker:
You have said it, you don't know. What is wrong is for you to say that God created Himself. You are not expected to know that and neither does the other person asking you too.

It is even off point for the everything you are talking about is referring to the things we have seen and not about things no man can know
Oga rest, if you can't comprehend simple things rest. Did I tell you I saw God when he created himself?
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 5:53pm On Oct 31, 2025
correctguy101:
Don't hurry brother.

Look at the bolded and go read Yahweh's pronouncements when Adam ate from the tree of knowledge. It was recorded that "MAN HAS NOW BECOME LIKE US, KNOWING GOOD AND BAD". ...

He became like his God, knowing good and bad. Not evil and corrupt. And that was his crime, so the chance to eat what will give eternal life and complete the transformation was denied him. It's in the book. I didn't put it there. Straight to the point, that was how it was recorded.
Was it the knowing that he was punished for or the doing?

Look at all the crime news, what are people punished for?

And Genesis 6 shows how ivul man became that God regretted creating him
Re: This topic has been removed by Dtruthspeaker: 5:58pm On Oct 31, 2025
OKOATA:
Oga rest, if you can't comprehend simple things rest. Did I tell you I saw God when he created himself?
You people can hate correction, yet ready to correct others

You clearly said that God created Himself as if you saw it when you did not. So why not stand on the Certainties?
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Saturnalia:
Yahweh and all the Elohims are the Anunnaki.

The Anunnaki is an ancient Sumerian term which was given to the beings who came down to earth and pro-created (BARA) homo sapiens.

* Anunnaki translates as “those who Anu sent from heaven to earth”


* They were also called NEPHILIM meaning “To fall down to Earth, to land” 


* ELOHEEM in the bible meaning “These Beings”. 


* In ashuric/syriac (arabic) they are called Jabaariyn meaning “the mighty ones” 


* In Aramic (hebrew) Gibborim meaning “The Mighty or Majestic ones”


* They are also called NETERU which is an Egyptian term for Anunnaki
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They are an elite race of beings who came from the 8th Planet RIZQ in the 19th Galaxy ILLYUWN.
 
They travel through this galaxy by way of a planet ship named Nibiru: The Mother ship.
 
Nibiru was originally on a 25,920 year orbit called AAMS which was the distance from RIZQ to the planet Earth. Since the Anunnaki relocated to ORION it would now take them 3,600 years to travel to earth. This new orbit is called a SHAR.


The Anunnaki were sent out on a mission to find different minerals; gold, plutonium, uranium, etc. They mined several planets in our solar systems including Mars (Lahmu) and Earth (Tiamat). 900 of these Anunnaki were involved in the gold mission. 600 in all came to earth in groups of 50’s in small passenger crafts called SHAM.
 
And the rest, 300, the IGIGI stayed in and manned the craft MURDOQ or Nibiru also called MERKABAH. The Anunnaki were acting as intermediaries between Earth and Nibiru. They stayed in Earth’s orbit because they were to deliver the processed gold to the spaceships that would be stored on the dark side of Sheshqi (the moon) and Lahmu (mars).
 
This is where they constructed and loaded 30 mile long cylinder shaped crafts and transported gold and other resources back to their home planet RIZQ.
 
FIRST LANDING: MARS


On July 20, 1976 A.D., Viking 1 took a photograph of an odd looking plateau in the plains of Cydonia on its 35th orbit of Mars.
 
Frame 35ª72 showed what looked like a mile wide human face The “Face On Mars.” NASA kept this quiet and wrote it off as “an oddity of light and shading.” Viking 2 landed September 3, 1976 A.D. 1,800 miles away from Viking 1. Space engineers Vincent Diperto and Greg Molenar, later checked into the Viking’s photo file, they discovered that 35 days later, on a different orbit and sun angle the Viking had caught the Martian “Sphinx” on Frame 70ª13.
 
The engineers enhanced the photo’s and came to the conclusion that the face was of artificial intelligence and that there was a huge 5 sided pyramid lying nearby. Richard C. Hoagland, a NASA scientist, made a claim that a place on Mars named Cydonia has the ruins of an entire Martian city full of pyramids, which are geometrically aligned with the face and the larger 5 sided pyramid.


The face on Mars is no fluke of nature. The Anunnaki set up cities bases on mars 450,000 years ago before coming to Earth. This face was an ancient marker for incoming extra-terrestrials to know about the project of homo-erectus to homo-sapiens.
 
These cities are remnants of an ancient “Egyptian” civilization.
 
 TIAMAT: HOME


After colonizing Mars, The Anunnaki came to this planet then called KI, TAMTU, GAEA, TIAMAT.
 
They broke up into two groups of 300 each. 300 Anunnaki  went north west and set up TILMUN : the city of ENLIL, also called NIPPUR, or KADESH - The holy pace, for they could not live with Enki and his disagreeable ways, so they stayed in touch with supreme beings: The Etherians.
 
The Other 300 Anunnaki  broke up into 7 tribes and ENQI ruled them all from his kingdom called NOD (NUD). First the ship crashed down in the Arabian sea and moved to Iraq, and set up a home away from home in order to mine and they called that place ERIDU. ENQI was the ruler of QI (earth), that was a title belonging to NUDDIMUD. He, Enki named the city after his name; hence the city of NOD (NUD).
 
This city is the one that Cain of the bible went to. We asked the question : If Adam, Eve, and Cain were the only beings on the planet after Able’s death, then where the people of NOD come from?
 
Enki is the son of Anu and brother of ENLIL: Nunamnir which is his name.
 
CONTACT: THE SUMERIANS


The Sumerians were the first to record the presence of the Anunnaki.
 
These Anunnaki or Rizqians gave them advanced information on the creation of the solar system and all the planets in and out of this solar system. They also taught them how to build great cities, farming and how to build craft that fly in air. They had information about the solar system that scientist today are only now beginning to figure out.
 
The ancient Sumerians also had records of Primitive beings “lulu Amelu” who evoluted.
 
They spoke of conflicts between the Anunnaki about the mining, which led to the breeding or cloning from these evoluted beings on earth with the Shaggies also known as Enkiduiteswho were beings covered in fur from other galaxies (your “Big Foot”); and then even the splicing of genes of one of the Anunnaki called NINTI to put a divine intellect in the beings called Adamites.


THE CONFLICT


The 300 Anunnaki ruled by Enki were divided into 7 tribes, or 7 lands:

1. Sippar
2. Kish
3. Kutha
4. Shuruppak
5. Uruk
6. Isin
7. Eridu

And their capital was Nod. Remember that their original purpose here was to mine for gold.
 
The Anunnaki  that were mining the gold consisted of two groups; 3 tribes making up the higher classes ruled by the Elohim NUSKU, who bore the title Gabriel and 4 tribes making up the lower classes ruled by the Elohim Anunnaki KALKAL also called the Angelic being ARIEL.


After surveyors went out and surveyed Monodappa and Raphali, south Africa, and found out that there was a lot of gold there, The Anunnaki  who were working in the mines did not want to work themselves.
 
Instead they wanted to make a being to do their work for them. It was because of their royal birth and the laziness of these Anunnaki  that the lower class, ruled by KALKAL, became dissatisfied and began to rebel against the higher class of Anunnaki, which in turn lead to a revolt led by KALKAL.
 
By this time Anu had given his son ENLIL orders to go to QI as a Yahuwa (YAHWEH), to see the works that his brother ENQI was doing; only to find QI (Earth) in chaos.
 
Enlil then sent war to his father Anu, by way of his messenger NUSKU, that there was a revolt and Anu sent word telling ENLIL to take over ruler-ship of QI. ENQI said “NO”: when asked to step down and bow to his brother and let his brother rule.
 
Enqi disagreed with his fathers wishes and said “I Am the oldest”. The Anunnaki feared there was going to be a war between the two brothers and their people, which would have destroyed the planet Earth. Enqi suggested that a being be created that would be the Abd meaning “servants” of the Anunnaki  and work the mines for them . The other Anunnaki  agreed.
 
And thus began the breeding of ADAM (Zakar) and HAWWAH (Nekaybaw), who were the first homo-sapiens.
 
LET US MAKE MAN


The Anunnaki decided to create what was called AMELU in Aramic (hebrew) meaning “Worker” (Genesis 2:5 and 3:19) to do the work for them. Man or Adamites were not created from nothing, instead the Anunnaki  took a being that was already on the earth who had come about by way of the process of evolution. This being was “Genus Homo” or Ape-man/Ape-woman.
 
Binding upon it the image - the inner genetic makeup - of the Anunnakqi themselves. They upgraded Genus Homo and “jumped the gun” on evolution and brought man - Homo Sapiens - into existence. This is why scientist can’t explain why homo sapiens has only been around for 49,000 years.
 
We, homo sapiens were not a process of evolution but a solution to a problem as mentioned in Genesis 2:5:

“....And ther was no MAN to till the ground..”

The word being used in hebrew for man is ADAM pronounced Aw-Dawm, this Adam was not a single person but rather what are called Adamah “Those who are of the ground” - a tribe of human beings called Adamites as found in Genesis 5:2
“Male and Female created he them, and blessed them and called THEIR name Adam, in the day when they were created.”

Thus this quote is referring to the primitive workers “Lulu Amelu” that were created to take over the mining on Qi.


The chief scientist Enqi and the chief medical officer Ninti of the Anunnaki used genetic manipulation and In-vitro fertilization, which is fertilization of a biological entity or process developed or maintained in a controlled, non-living environment, as a laboratory vessel; or in glass tubes as depicted on the seal of an ancient Sumerian cylinder.
 
This was done in a laboratory called SHIMTI meaning “House where the wind of life is breathed in”.

WHY THE GOLD?


It all started when the Anunnaq, Eloheem (Rizqians) needed to protect the dwindling Atmosphere of their Planet Rizq. The rays from the 3 suns Utu, Shamash, and Apsu were depleting their ozone layer. Rizq was the heart and center of this Tri-solar system and was thus most effected.
 
There was a conflict in Illyuwn between a Reptilian called Tarnush, also known as Zuen, and Murdow: son of Enqi and Ninqi, who is also the grandson of Anu who put him first in command. Zuen Or Humbaba ranked second after Murdoq, but didn’t agree with his being head of all the Eloheem (Rizqians) and felt it should have been him. This disagreement lead to a war involving the Planet Rizq.
 
Out of revenge, Tarnush attacked the planet Rizq with a shield depleter which was a bomb that caused the natural atmosphere to dwindle away.

They needed to build a protection, a dome of gold dust particles suspended in the atmosphere to protect the planet from the damaging Ultraviolet rays. Having no protection they had to flee their planet to Orion. Murdoq was given a beam of Light Ray Gun, who hadn’t been converted from a disagreeable being to an agreeable being as of yet and was the “warrior-type” needed to fight and defeat Tarnush.
 
He was successful and Tarnush and 1/3 of the planet that supported him were cast out from the planet Rizq never to return. They took residence in the planet Titan. Astronomers log Titan as a moon of Saturn however, this is incorrect. Titan is really a planet, a solid body, that is located near Saturn.

With this victory Murdoq went on in search of planets that could supply the gold needed to protect the planet Rizq. As they passed through the milky way they discovered gold particles in the Asteroid belt, which is what let them know gold was present on the Planet QI (Earth). Once useful minerals were found on the planet Earth, the mining began.
 
Bases were set up on the planet Lahmu (Mars) and on the dark side of the moon called Kingu. Once the gold was mined from the planet it was taken to the “dark-side” of the moon in cylindrical crafts and then the larger cylinder crafts built on the moon, transported the gold to the mother-plane Nibiru.
 
Nibiru is a planet ship now twice the size of the earth and was built by the Rizqians for this purpose.
You read all of these from a book. You and OP have been brainwashed bro. Emancipate yourself. You and OP says there's no God after reading a book that formatted your brain like the way terrorist are being brainwashed, but you know the twist in this that the same people who wrote it the book you and OP read was likely written by an American but this same white man will put God Bless America on their money and when the atheist wake in the morning and they say God bless America too so who are you guys deceiving if not yourselves? Who's the God Americans are calling on.?
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