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MaxInDHouse:
Mr Muslim the Bible account of Jesus is not something that they gathered to agree on what happened that's why there are variations in the gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because each person recorded what he saw and/or heard from the mouths of eyewitness.
So your arguments that Paul and Luke are friends doesn't add up because your Muhammad had no eyewitnesses yet he claimed it was angel Gabriel that brought him all the things he fabricated in your Quran and you people swallowed it hook line and sinker!🙂

Mr Jehovah Witness can you tell us who authorized the compilation of the Bible? Who are those that determined the books to incuded or rejected? Can you tell us why there are contradictions in some verses? How did Paul who never met Jesus in real life wrote more books than the whole 12 disciples put together? And the 11 disciples even prayed and casted lot it never fell on Paul!

And going back to the subject matter you diverted away from, Paul and Luke never met Jesus in real life! So who were the eyewitnesses that gave them the news? Paul claimed he met Jesus as light on his way to Damascus. Reason am na!

AntiChristian:
It will be okay if Paul had met Jesus before physically in his life. If a man who hates Jesus before today tells us he met Jesus as a light on his way to Oshodi...should we believe him too?

Paul and Luke never knew Jesus in this life according to the Bible!
Yeah! I know there are no law in Christianity! The Church fathers have done the book selection for you!

I am not getting your point l. If a man meets Jesus Christ anywhere, why should we doubt.
You mean the only people we are permitted to believe are those who saw Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry?
I am not getting your logic.
You are saying that everyone with a testimony of Christ after His earthly ministry should not be believed and I ask you, why.

AntiChristian:
Mr Jehovah Witness can you tell us who authorized the compilation of the Bible? Who are those that determined the books to incuded or rejected? Can you tell us why there are contradictions in some verses? How did Paul who never met Jesus in real life wrote more books than the whole 12 disciples put together? And the 11 disciples even prayed and casted lot it never fell on Paul!

Who authorized your Quran?😂

AntiChristian:
And going back to the subject matter you diverted away from, Paul and Luke never met Jesus in real life! So who were the eyewitnesses that gave them the news? Paul claimed he met Jesus as light on his way to Damascus. Reason am na!

There is no hard and fast rules on being a writer of your own story if Muhammad can singlehandedly claim angel Gabriel is the one delivering messages to him and you accepted it as truth then you are just being an hypocrite on this matter!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Who authorized your Quran?😂


There is no hard and fast rules on being a writer of your own story if Muhammad can singlehandedly claim angel Gabriel is the one delivering messages to him and you accepted it as truth then you are just being an hypocrite on this matter!🙂

You be real grandpa!

tctrills:
I am not getting your point l. If a man meets Jesus Christ anywhere, why should we doubt.
You mean the only people we are permitted to believe are those who saw Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry?
I am not getting your logic.
You are saying that everyone with a testimony of Christ after His earthly ministry should not be believed and I ask you, why.

We all know Jesus didn't meet him physically while alive according to the Bible. And Jesus didn't say he'll send Paul when he's gone but the comforter! Is Paul the comforter or an impostor?

AntiChristian:
You be real grandpa!

With experience and wisdom!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
With experience and wisdom!🙂

Crass experience and negative wisdom!

When we ask about "6" you'll be talking about "6" upside down!

AntiChristian:
Crass experience and negative wisdom!
When we ask about "6" you'll be talking about "6" upside down!

WISDOM teaches that you have to remove the rafter in your eye before thinking of how to remove the straw in the eye of your neighbor! Matthew 7:3-5

So think about how the peace your people always claim when they keep greeting "Salam" can reign in your own religion first before you can talk of helping those on the other side!🙂

AntiChristian:
We all know Jesus didn't meet him physically while alive according to the Bible. And Jesus didn't say he'll send Paul when he's gone but the comforter! Is Paul the comforter or an impostor?

Let me get your point, you are saying that any man called to work for Christ after His earthly ministry is an imposter? How does this even make sense?
According to you, Christianity should have ended after the death of the original disciples of Christ as no other should be called to carry on the work.
I don't agree and I don't see how that is good logic.
Again, you are not willing or going to apply that logic to any other religion.
Even after the death of the Islamic prophet, many more men of the faith took up the work and spread the faith more further than Mohammed ever did. So why should we judge the Apostle Paul any different?

Cashylyx:
➜Why Wasn’t Paul One of the Twelve Apostles? The man often referred to as “Paul the Apostle” wrote (or is traditionally credited with writing) 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament. 🙂
There are several reasons, but the simplest is that Jesus called all his earliest disciples from among his own people in the region around [b]Galilee in what is today northern Israel.[/b] Although Paul (then called Saul) may have been in Jerusalem during or shortly after the crucifixion, he was originally from Tarsus on the southern coast of modern-day Turkey, and it’s unlikely he would have spent much time in the rural villages of Galilee.
➜ Worse, as soon as he learned of the nascent Jesus movement, he began persecuting it, condoning the murder of Stephen (the first martyr of the church) and arresting new believers (Acts 8:1-3).
But God had something different in mind for Paul. Sometime around 34 AD🙂 — a few years after the Ascension — Jesus appeared to him as he was traveling to Damascus, struck him blind, and uttered those famous words that would change the course of history: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 🙂(Acts 9:4).
As Paul later explained, “God had set me apart from birth and called me through his grace. He was pleased to reveal his Son to me, so that I might preach about him to the Gentiles” (Galatians 1:15-16; see also Acts 9:15, Gal. 2:7-. 🙂In other words, it was Paul’s worldliness — his Roman citizenship 🙂and Greek education together with his devout Jewish background — that made him uniquely positioned to become the “apostle to the Gentiles.”

1. Your reasoning is illogical. Why? Jesus Christ was a Jew(of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and probably the Levi). Paul's mother was said to have been of the Levite clan. They were, both of them, Jews, meaning Jesus Christ of Israel was a Jew just like Paul and his poeple were also Jews. Another point of illogicality to your claim is that you assume that Galilee and Tarsus were only inhabited by either Jews or non-Jewish people, aka Gentiles**, aka descendants of the other 10 tribes of Israel. Samaritans, for instance, were Gentiles— Samaritans were not descendants of Judah, Benjamen and/or Levi. And there were other non-Jewish Israelites who were preached to by Jesus Christ of Israel. 🥱🥱🥱

2. The God of Israel, YHWH, said, through His prophets, that He would pour out visions and dreams on all Israelites of that time, the final days before His judgment against the land and the poeple of Israel by way of His Law. What happened to Paul — the vision— was in no way unique to him as it was prophesied to befall all the Isreals... all (Israelites) eyes would see Jesus Christ coming and His Kingdom coming.🥱🥱

So, yeah, Paul's story was in no way unique. And his letters, documenting what may have been his personal experience, are just that, his experiences and nothing more(not Scripture). Paul never considered his words scripture, and he never pushed his letters off as words of scripture on any of those to whom he sent them— no indication of this in any of his letters. The same goes for the letters of the other disciples. They never insinuated that their letters meant for others were scripture from the mouth of God like the words of the Prophets of Old and Jesus Christ of Israel. It is really sad to see people worshipping them as though they are that. 🥱🥱

** Gentiles are Israelites who are not descended from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and probably Levi— the Jewish tribes.

AntiChristian:
This is false! According to your Bible, the disciples chose Matthias to replace Judas in Acts 1:12-26. Two were nominated at first in Justus and Mathias but Mathias was later approved after prayer and casting lots!

Paul even had a brawl with Peter!

You should first go and learn from Ile Kewu from MS Baba before coming to comment on what you don't know.

How is Ramadan going? Who started it?

Lieslam

AntiChristian:
I think you should focus and tell us how Paul was among Jesus's 12 appointed disciples! Tell us where Jesus appointed Paul before he left the world! Not the story written by Paul himself or by Luke, Paul's person!

He didn't say Paul was among the 12. Wow! No wonder Nigerians are forced to write IELTs to study in the UK, despite being a part of the anglosphere.

TokoEkambi:
He didn't say Paul was among the 12. Wow! No wonder Nigerians are forced to write IELTs to study in the UK, despite being a part of the anglosphere.

UK needs the continuation of the slave trade and a means of generating steady income for themselves!

The 12 disciples lose Judas. And Paul (and his companion Luke) claimed Jesus apeared to Paul on his way from Damascus. And the 11 disciples appointed Mathias (not Paul) after praying to the same Jesus as the 12th Disciple.

AntiChristian:
✓ UK needs the continuation of the slave trade and a means of generating steady income for themselves!
✓ The 12 disciples lose Judas. And Paul (and his companion Luke) claimed Jesus apeared to Paul on his way from Damascus. And the 11 disciples appointed Mathias (not Paul) after praying to the same Jesus as the 12th Disciple.

The Islamic slave trade lasted longer than the English slave trade, we are talking over 1400 years of slavery celebrated in Islam. England happens to be one of the first countries that began fervently working against the slave industry that existed long before it became a country.

Unfortunately, in the Islamic world, slaves continue to be sold to date with Afghanistan literally announcing its return to the slave trade only recently. 😩😩😩

2. So? Matthias was ready to be paired up and sent out. Paul, and probably several others was not at that point in time. 🥱🥱

Again, try to process this more objectively. Judas who was literally identified as the son of the devil was sent out without issue. (Jesus Christ of Israel Himself chosen him.) So, why make an issue of Paul not being chosen immediately after his so called vision? 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
The Islamic slave trade lasted longer than the English slave trade, we are talking over 1400 years of slavery celebrated in Islam. England happens to be one of the first countries that began fervently working against the slave industry that existed long before it became a country.

Can you show me where it is celebrated? Islam even made it mandatory to Free slaves (as a good and expiation for certain sins) and to be good to them. Where can this kind of treatment be found in the Bible?

Unfortunately, in the Islamic world, slaves continue to be sold to date with Afghanistan literally announcing its return to the slave trade only recently. 😩😩😩

Afghanistan is not the standard for Islam as there are over ten other so called Muslim countries not into slave trades! And looking at Afghanistan and Libya's crisis today were both caused by the USA and their allies.

2. So? Matthias was ready to be paired up and sent out. Paul, and probably several others was not at that point in time. 🥱🥱

Again, try to process this more objectively. Judas who was literally identified as the son of the devil was sent out without issue. (Jesus Christ of Israel Himself chosen him.) So, why make an issue of Paul not being chosen immediately after his so called vision? 🥱🥱

Why didn't the disciples meet Jesus and just include Paul as the 12th disciple? Paul was the same person telling his own story about how he met Jesus!

Yeah, Jesus Christ chose Judas! He even promised him rulership with him in heaven Matthew 19:28. I wonder who they'd be ruling then?

AntiChristian:
➜Can you show me where it is celebrated? Islam even made it mandatory to Free slaves (as a good and expiation for certain sins) and to be good to them. Where can this kind of treatment be found in the Bible?
➜ Afghanistan is not the standard for Islam as there are over ten other so called Muslim countries not into slave trades! And looking at Afghanistan and Libya's crisis today were both caused by the USA and their allies.
➜ Why didn't the disciples meet Jesus and just include Paul as the 12th disciple? Paul was the same person telling his own story about how he met Jesus!
➜Yeah, Jesus Christ chose Judas! He even promised him rulership with him in heaven Matthew 19:28. I wonder who they'd be ruling then?

MohMoh did it and encouraged it. Mohmoh is also considered the role model for all in the Ummah and, supposedly, to all of mankind. This is, at least, obvious? 🤔

2. It isn't a standard. Rather, the books are. And the books are the very core standard of what is implemented across the Islamic world to this day, where it's practised. So, many do it in hiding. I just read a report from somewhere in Pakistan where a 13-year-old Christian girl was kidnapped by a neighbor, who then forced her to marry him. He graped her since he considered her his slave and then forced marriage on her. When her parents of the girl approached the SharrSharr court, the court granted custody of the girl to her grapists nonetheless. 🤔🤔

Much of the Islamic world may not be open about the practice, but Afghanistan is at least open about this at this point. And if we closely examined the implementations of sharsharr in most of the other nations, we are bound to find the same declarations in support of the enslavement of others. 🤔🤔

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3. Every Israelite who lived during that time also met Jesus Christ of Israel either in the flesh, and/or by way of visions, dreams, or prophecy. They had similar stories of seeing him. This is according to the prophecy that was handed down by the prophets and verified by Jesus Christ of Israel himself to his over 70 disciples through his direct teachings to them. Should we also ask why all of the others were not included among the first 12 chosen? 🤔🤔

4. This is what Matthew 19 vs 28 instead says.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”
28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.- Matthew 19 vs 23 - 30

Anyone whose read and properly digested the story above would immediately know that Judas did not meet the standard set for those to meet the above. But thanks for the many opportunities to help me post the facts for all to see. 🤔🤔