₦airaland Forum

Codepain:
Na Hisbah corps make SE not to go work on monday ?
Yeye

muyico:
enemy of sharial laws

DavidMm:
While I do not know how we will undo the constitutional anomaly of having a "country within a country", that the extension of Sharia law beyond civil into criminal matters created; The Presidency, through the ONSA should immediately order the disbandment of all HISBAH Corps in all the 12 Northern States that have adopted Sharia Law for the reasons below.


1. Enforcement of Shari'a on Non-Muslims

While Shari'a penal codes in Nigeria are theoretically only applicable to Muslims, Hisbah brigades have been documented attempting to enforce aspects of the law on non-Muslims, including Christians.

Morality and Dress Codes: Christians, particularly women, have reported being harassed and stopped by Hisbah officers for allegedly not conforming to Islamic dress or moral codes while in public spaces. In some cases, they are reportedly told to dress like Muslims.

Alcohol Ban: The Hisbah often strictly enforces the state-wide ban on the sale and consumption of alcohol, which disproportionately affects Christians and other non-Muslim communities who consume it. They have carried out raids in non-Muslim areas.

Public Activities: Hisbah has attempted to disrupt or ban public gatherings or rallies organized by non-Muslim groups, viewing them as "un-Islamic."

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2. Creating an Environment of Fear and Secondary Citizenship

The presence and activities of the Hisbah contribute to an overall sense of being treated as second-class citizens among Christians in the region.

Informal Authority: While the Hisbah's legal jurisdiction is often limited, their presence as a state-sanctioned morality police creates a chilling effect, where Christians and other minorities feel compelled to comply with Islamic precepts out of fear of harassment, arrest, or detention, even when such actions are beyond the Hisbah's legal authority.

The Hisbah have become a prosecutorial force for both Christians and non muslims in these states. And as such, the Federal Government ought to show the world that they capable of stepping in to right a wrong, if state and local policies becomes discriminatory, and or, prosecutory for a segment of the population.

badthinds:
SHARIA LAW IS NOT A CUSTOMARY LAW. It claws every aspect of the general law and rights in Nigeria, not just the north.

Here's a small example of the effect of Sharia law on the Nigerian economy:

- Alcohol Ban, Full VAT Share ... Sharia states ban alcohol but get VAT from it.

- Destroy Goods, Take Tax... They seize alcohol yet share its VAT.

- Lagos Pays for North... Lagos funds Sharia states via VAT.

- Fixed Northern Fund... VAT supports NEDC despite zero local input.

- Policy Creates Dependency... Bans cut revenue; federal funds fill gap.

You see, sharia law is light years ahead of other customary laws. Actually, it is not a customary law as it's scope is wider. And the radicality of those who uphold it is light years of vawulance ahead of the radicality of other customs.

While you deceive yourself that sharia is customary, those who know what's going on in the background understand that Sharia is a Nigerian law, and totally NOT customary. That's what they make you believe while they laugh at you behind the scenes.

Dey Play. No worry.

DomPerignon:
Go and protest in Kano that they should rescind sharia law.

badthinds:
SHARIA LAW IS NOT A CUSTOMARY LAW. It claws every aspect of the general law and rights in Nigeria, not just the north.

Here's a small example of the effect of Sharia law on the Nigerian economy:

- Alcohol Ban, Full VAT Share ... Sharia states ban alcohol but get VAT from it.

- Destroy Goods, Take Tax... They seize alcohol yet share its VAT.

- Lagos Pays for North... Lagos funds Sharia states via VAT.

- Fixed Northern Fund... VAT supports NEDC despite zero local input.

- Policy Creates Dependency... Bans cut revenue; federal funds fill gap.

You see, sharia law is light years ahead of other customary laws. Actually, it is not a customary law as it's scope is wider. And the radicality of those who uphold it is light years of vawulance ahead of the radicality of other customs.

While you deceive yourself that sharia is customary, those who know what's going on in the background understand that Sharia is a Nigerian law, and totally NOT customary. That's what they make you believe while they laugh at you behind the scenes.

Dey Play. No worry.

muyico:
enemy of sharial laws

DavidMm:
It's actually not about protestation at this point. Yes, it might be what the people of Kano want, just as the people of Abia might want a Biafra nation. It is a matter of what is right under the law, succession is illegal just as running a parallel legal framework is illegal under the current constitution,

What I expect is the states, most especially the predominantly Christian states to institute a court case challenging the legality of the Sharia law. The Federating states are suppose to be the checks on each other's excesses when the Federal Government fails to act.

Just because you can get a law violates the rights of the people as granted by the constitution, through your house of Assembly doesn't make it legal.

DomPerignon:
There are provisions for the establishment of Sharia law and courts in the constitution.

Hisbah is the policing arm of Sharia law.

Why is this even your headache?

Have northern Muslims demanded you stop using juju shrines to bind oaths like in Okirja shrine ?

Have they in anyway interfered with your voodoo customs of going to shrines to settle scores or prove innocence?

If you guys can practice your own voodoo courts that always passes down barbaric instant sentences , why is sharia law among majority Muslim states your problem?

DavidMm:
The impunity behind the adoption rather than sharia itself is actually the problem. Shari'a as you have in the 12 Northern states is at odds with our constitution and standing as a secular state. By adopting Shari'a in the North and empowering the Hisbah to enforce it statewide, these states became theocratic, and sent a message to non state actors that they could impose their religion on others in the state---because their religion is the state's religion.

DavidMm:
talking out of both sides of the mouth and lack of sincerity is what worries me. Pretending not to see or know what it means for something to be State sponsored is what is alarming in this case.

Let me break it down for you: HISBAH persecutes Christians and non muslim, HISBAH is backed by the State. Hence the persecution of christians in these states is backed by the government. And since the FG has done nothing to challenge these States, it been inferred that the FG must be in agreement.


Solution: The FG needs to disband the enforcement arm of sharia as it stands today asap, pending when the legality and scope of the law is determined.

DavidMm:
talking out of both sides of the mouth and lack of sincerity is what worries me. Pretending not to see or know what it means for something to be State sponsored is what is alarming in this case.

Let me break it down for you: HISBAH persecutes Christians and non muslim, HISBAH is backed by the State. Hence the persecution of christians in these states is backed by the government. And since the FG has done nothing to challenge these States, it been inferred that the FG must be in agreement.


Solution: The FG needs to disband the enforcement arm of sharia as it stands today asap, pending when the legality and scope of the law is determined.

DomPerignon:
Are voodoo customs and shrines not treated as supreme in your SE?

Why should Sharia law be abolished but your voodoo courts allowed to remain?

The fact remains is if the people who the law was passed for are against it.

Just as you revere your voodoo shrines and courts and see them as more potent which most of your surface Christian population troop to and patronise, so also are northern Muslims willing to abide by sharia law.

In Saudi Arabia, sharia law exist and is enforced. Tell your drumpf to get them to end sharia there first.

DavidMm:
Saudi Arabia is a Monarchical Theocracy just so you know.

Voodoo, Ouija or what other false narrative you are clinging to is not state sponsored like Hisbah is. In fact the existing of Okija shrine, voodoo, mosque, churches side by sides in most states in the south is a testament to the freedom of religion enshrined in the constitution.

Every family have your kind but where I come from there is a saying that " when someone that can beat you and your entire lineage combined picks a fight with you, you send your flippant children on an unending errand". So please go run some errands while the people that mean well for Nigeria do the needful, because even the Saudi Arabia your are quick to mention, if the USA talks, they listen.

DomPerignon:
Where has sharia law been against Christians?

Prohibition of alcohol was once a thing in the US driven by fundamentalist Christians.

Is drunkenness a hallmark of christian identity ?

Outside , alcohol prohibition , which other sharia law is targeting Christians ?

Public decency laws were once enforced in the now degenerate west up till the 1950s.

So explain to me how Sharia discriminates against Christians ?

DavidMm:
Your questions are the answers! The prohibition was passed not by state laws but through a constitutional amendment and the subsequent Volstead Act of 1917 and 1919 and was also ended by the 21st amendment.

Until Shari'a is promulgated via a constitutional amendment, any enforcement of it as it stands counts as state sponsored persecution of non adherent of islam within those jurisdiction--fruits off a poisoned tree!

DomPerignon:
Saudi Arabia practices the most strict form.of sharia law.

Beheadings are the standard method of executions .

As I said, If no one is stopping you from trooping to your shrines why are you foaming in the mouth over sharia law in the north?

DavidMm:
Freedom of religion and association is enshrined in our constitution however, state sponsorship of a religion is not. Shari'a and Hisbah as of today counts as state sponsorship of a religion in contravention of our constitution. So don't feign ignorance when we are called out for it.

DomPerignon:
My friend go and protest in front of the NASS in Abuja to have sharia expunged from our constitution.

Or you can take it up to the supreme court to declare sharia as illegal.

But while you are at it, remember your people prefer voodoo justice .

safarifarms:
Why are you people so obsessed with the South East?
Yoruba man Sowere will start a protest against bad governance and you people will call it Igbo protest.
Trump threatens action against Christian genocide, you blame South East people when its actually the real victims in Benue that wrote US through the current INEC chairman.

What exactly your problem with the South East people?

Thank God I'm not from the South East. Tough to be hated for no reason.

DavidMm:
Alas my friend, we are arriving at a common ground!

Every Federating state like every seller in the market, has a primary objective to make the best decision for themselves. That a state gave it's people what they wanted is not the issue here, but that no other state or the official match referee, the FGN through the office and person of the Attorney General--the ultimate defender of the constitution, failed to call a foul is the issue.

So to government officials, elected or appointed feigning ignorance when the country is called out, cut the bullshit and do the needful! It's easy to get specialists at ethnic cleansing, minority persecutors and rights violators from around the world to come to our defense, but the does not negate what is true. We can either wake up and sit up or continue to pretend we don't see what's standing right in front of us.

BeardedMeat:
Let them keep their Sharia if only they will limit it to Muslims only.

DavidMm:
My guess is that is what would happen if the FGN disbanded Hisbah in its current form. They will go back to the drawing board and after much dialogue, it will be reorganized in its limited role as it was originally intended. WIN-WIN-WIN for everyone. The non adherents of the religion win because they can live their lives without hindrance from a religion that is not theirs. The adherents win because they get continue being govern by the laws they want. And the FG gets to show the world that they would do the needful to protect the rights of every citizen within its sovereign borders. Low Hanging fruit!