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Nteogwuija:
So Christianity claims God is perfect and then he made man out of his image. But u look at the world today, humans do not look like a product from a perfect God.

The default answer is that God gave humans free will.

So a programmer(who's perfect) is creating an app and knows that if he introduced a particular feature, that feature is going to introduce bugs to the app.

The most logical thing for the "perfect" programmer to do is avoid that feature. But if he must use the feature, he'd ensure that he checks that feature, reconfigure it to ensure that it doesn't introduce bugs to the app in the future.

My point is that, since God is perfect and all-knowing, he sees the end from the beginning, he or she would have known that giving man free will would be at man's detriment.

Most funny part is that he gave man freewill and cast man into damnation for exercising the freewill. Most illogical thing anyone can do.

More like telling your teenage daughter that she's free to do whatever she think feels good to her. You're giving her freewill. And then she gets pregnant, comes to the house, and then you throw her out of the house.

Also, like watching your toddler put his hand on a burning candle, he cries after getting burnt. And then u scold the toddler for touching the burning candle.

How do u respond to this?

Also note:

You don't need to call me back to religion. Again, I can't trade my peace of mind, post religion, for anything.

1. Humans are insignificant dots in the universe and we amount to NOTHING.
Thus, it is grossly erroneous to think we are like "children" to God who watches them put their hands in fire!

2. God chose to elevate some humans according to his wisdom to be a Trinity like Himself and to be "gods" over His creation.
These humans must with their own volition and choice make God's will their own.
"Thus humans must be given freewill to choose either to be eternally dependent or independent from God"

3. The earth is a place of selection of those who desire independence from the source of their all FROM those who desire to be dependent in gratitude and appreciation to the source of their all.
Thus evil and good are necessary consequences of volition or freewill as God did not intend to build ROBOTS

4. It will be Terrible for God to force those who choose independence from Him to be with Himself for Eternity.
Thus , you have your will to exercise knowing the consequences of your choices even before you make them.

5. God's perfection and foreknowledge make Him to know that within the chaos of Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, Pleasure and Pain that a Remnant worthy of His Eternal sonship will Emerge. These are the sons of God.
"Because, even though, God is the God of Everything and Everyone, God is not the Father of Everyone"

Because this EXAMINATION for SELECTION is difficult, God because of His LOVE provided a Free Gift of Salvation to those who Choose to Eternally depend on God but are Weak and imperfect.

Those who choose this path are the ones called Born Again: because they choose to depend on God for their Salvation!

So,my friend:
1. Freewill or Volition is not real if there a constraint against deviant behaviours
2. Then outcome of the exercise of your freewill is a SELECTION for God's purpose
3. You aren't Anything except if you fit the purpose of God.


So, you basically asked ONE question and it is answered.

Nteogwuija:
Since you seem to be science/computer biased .

1.Would you admit that the highest creation of an AI robot will be one that can act independently of your input?
2. If you made 1000 such super AI robots and only 50 choose to live according to human rules, what do you think should be done with the remaining 950?

SisterAnn:
Why? Is he the only Muslim hip-hop singer? 🤣

hip hop is no longer haram in islam?

Nwaikpe:
And you think a set o exxtremist are his fans

hip hop is a haram in islam abi una don change am?

TenQ:
1. Humans are insignificant dots in the universe and we amount to NOTHING.
Thus, it is grossly erroneous to think we are like "children" to God who watches them put their hands in fire!

2. God chose to elevate some humans according to his wisdom to be a Trinity like Himself and to be "gods" over His creation.
These humans must with their own volition and choice make God's will their own.
"Thus humans must be given freewill to choose either to be eternally dependent or independent from God"

3. The earth is a place of selection of those who desire independence from the source of their all FROM those who desire to be dependent in gratitude and appreciation to the source of their all.
Thus evil and good are necessary consequences of volition or freewill as God did not intend to build ROBOTS

4. It will be Terrible for God to force those who choose independence from Him to be with Himself for Eternity.
Thus , you have your will to exercise knowing the consequences of your choices even before you make them.

5. God's perfection and foreknowledge make Him to know that within the chaos of Light and Darkness, Good and Evil, Pleasure and Pain that a Remnant worthy of His Eternal sonship will Emerge. These are the sons of God.
"Because, even though, God is the God of Everything and Everyone, God is not the Father of Everyone"

Because this EXAMINATION for SELECTION is difficult, God because of His LOVE provided a Free Gift of Salvation to those who Choose to Eternally depend on God but are Weak and imperfect.

Those who choose this path are the ones called Born Again: because they choose to depend on God for their Salvation!

So,my friend:
1. Freewill or Volition is not real if there a constraint against deviant behaviours
2. Then outcome of the exercise of your freewill is a SELECTION for God's purpose
3. You aren't Anything except if you fit the purpose of God.


So, you basically asked ONE question and it is answered.

You're making these points based on your personal hunch about the concept of God, not based on logic, or at the least, what your infallible Bible says.


You say humans are insignificant, yet your Bible said God made man in his own image and likeness. Does it make sense to you that such product would be insignificant?

You said "God choose". You don't even have any proof that God exist. You don't even know what he or she(that's if they're humans) looks like, yet you know what their thought process is.

God did not intend to create robots. Your Bible said Adam and Eve were created naked without knowing what's good or evil. Isn't that a robot?

rummmy:
hip hop is no longer haram in islam?

Me I know know oo 😃

TenQ:
Nteogwuija:
Since you seem to be science/computer biased .

1.Would you admit that the highest creation of an AI robot will be one that can act independently of your input?
2. If you made 1000 such super AI robots and only 50 choose to live according to human rules, what do you think should be done with the remaining 950?

You're not getting the point here.

I made that point on the premise that God is perfect, he's omniscience, and omnipresent.

So if I had all these God-like qualities, I'd know whether or not my software acting independently would cause harm to it, then I'd act accordingly.

I'd accept your argument if you tell them that the Bible is all lies, and that God is not what the Bible claims he or she to be.

Ekrenji:
How can everyone be born a Muslim when Islam was only founded in the 7th century by Mohammed? The words “Muslim”, “Islam” did not exist before that time

Modified:
Mohammed is the founder of Islam.
There is no evidence that Islam or Muslims existed before Mohammed.
The period in Arabian before Mohammed formed Islam was referred to as “pre Islamic period of ignorance “

Islam is to submit entirely to the will of the Supreme Being, regardless of the appellation it used to be known as.

Like in the time of Abraham, that was described as Hanif.

Nteogwuija:
Islam is also a religion. Read my previous post well, and you'd understand what I just said.

Okay sir

So how do you fill the vacuum within you

The part that whisper about death, life, judgement, rewards, retribution to your consciousness

idreesjigo:
Arabic:
اللَّهُمَّ لا سَهْلَ إلا مَا جَعَلْتَهُ سَهْلا، وَأَنْتَ تَجْعَلُ الحُزْنَ إذا شِئْتَ سَهْلا

Transliteration:
Allahumma la sahla illa ma ja'altahu sahla, wa anta taj'alul hazna idha shi'ta sahla

Translation:
O Allah, there is no ease except what You make easy. And you can make the difficult easy, if you wish.



Meaning and significance:

The provided text is a supplication, or dua, that highlights a profound acknowledgment of Allah's sovereign power over ease and difficulty. Only what He (Allah) wishes becomes easy and vice versa.

1. Recognition of Divine Will: The phrase "there is no ease except what You make easy" emphasizes the belief that all forms of relief and facilitation in life are contingent upon Allah's will. This positions Allah as the central figure in the provision of ease, reinforcing the idea that humans cannot attain ease independently without divine intervention.

2. Duality of Experience: The duo contrasts ease with difficulty, suggesting an intrinsic relationship between the two. By stating "you can make the difficult easy, if you wish," it implies that challenges are an inherent part of life, but they can be altered through divine will. This duality invites contemplation on the nature of life's trials and the growth opportunities they present.

3. The Role of Faith: The invocation is not merely a request for ease; it serves as a reminder to the supplicant about the importance of faith and reliance on Allah. The acknowledgment of Allah's ability to transform sorrow into ease underscores a spiritual reliance that fosters resilience and hope during challenging times.

4. Implications for Personal Agency: While the dua submits to divine authority, it simultaneously raises questions about human agency. It acknowledges that while individuals may strive for success and ease, ultimate outcomes lie beyond their control, potentially guiding believers to adopt a more humble and patient approach in the face of adversity.

5. Psychological Impact: Psychologically, invoking this dua could provide comfort, as it reassures individuals that their struggles are acknowledged and can be alleviated through faith. This can cultivate a sense of peace and acceptance, fostering emotional well-being.

In summary, this dua encapsulates a rich tapestry of theological beliefs, emphasizing reliance on Allah for ease in life while acknowledging the significance of human struggle as a pathway for growth and understanding. It serves as a profound reminder of the interplay between divine will and human experience.


Additionally:
Like what Burna Boy said on how he feels after making prayers in his recent interview about his convert (revert rather) to Islam, Signs that your(one's) dua (supplication) may be accepted include feeling an emotional response like uncontrollable crying or goosebumps, experiencing a sense of peace and calm after worry, a feeling of lightness or a burden being lifted, and a rise in your Iman (faith) when Allah is mentioned.

until diddy is released first

Luckysbab:
Islam is to submit entirely to the will of the Supreme Being, regardless of the appellation it used to be known as.

Which group of people, nation or ethnic groups were practicing Islam or called Muslims before Mohammed formed Islam?

Like in the time of Abraham, that was described as Hanif.

So it used to be called Hanif and not Islam? What were the adherents called Muslims or hanifa?

Kukutente23:
Where did you read that Jesus died so that individuals will not experience sickness, ageing and death?

The idea that Jesus' death means individuals will not experience sickness, aging, and physical death in the current life is an interpretation found in certain specific Christian theological viewpoints, often associated with the Word of Faith or "divine health" movements.

Key Biblical Passages and Interpretations
The concepts mentioned relate to several biblical themes:
1. Victory over Sin and Spiritual Death: The Bible teaches that sin entered the world through Adam, and death both spiritual separation from God and physical death (Romans 5:12–21) is the consequence of that sin. Jesus' death and resurrection provided a way for humanity to be reconciled with God, offering forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life (Romans 6:23).

2. Future Hope and the Resurrection: Future Hope and the Resurrection: The ultimate removal of physical suffering, aging, and death is described as a future event, often linked to Christ's second coming and the general resurrection.
• Revelation 21:4 states: "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away".
• 1 Corinthians 15:53 speaks of a future transformation: "For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality".
• Philippians 3:20-21 mentions that Christ "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body".

3. Physical Healing in the Atonement: Some groups interpret passages like Isaiah 53:5 ("by his wounds we are healed" ) and 1 Peter 2:24 as a guarantee of physical healing that believers can claim in the present life. These interpretations suggest that just as sin was dealt with on the cross, so were all forms of sickness and disease.


Peace!

Ekrenji:
How can everyone be born a Muslim when Islam was only founded in the 7th century by Mohammed? The words “Muslim”, “Islam” did not exist before that time

Modified:
Mohammed is the founder of Islam.
There is no evidence that Islam or Muslims existed before Mohammed.
The period in Arabian before Mohammed formed Islam was referred to as “pre Islamic period of ignorance “

Let me correct you;
Islam had existed long before the existence of our dear lovely Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The prohet only came to teach and spread Islam to the people in attestation to what the previous (other) prophets had brought to the people. Every human being is born as a Muslim. For this, Burn Boy didn't converted but reverted because he was born as a Muslims only his parent changed it after child birth.

idreesjigo:
PS: I wrote Revert instead of Convert because based on a Hadith everyone is a born Muslim

This is according to your religious belief belief.

Zocalite:
wike is a Christian too

remi tinubu is also a Christian

even akpabio

They have sinned and come short of the glory of God. They turned a blind eye while christians are being targeted for extinction in northern Nigeria.

adamumar522:
"Islam Abad" meaning Islam till the end. "Ahmad Abad" meaning Ahmad or Muhammad till the end etc. Oyibo pipu joined them together just like Onyi Igbo ( Onyigbo). Get the knowledge of places before you talk about them pls.

ok is more like islam isbad i get, we learn every day lol

Almunjid:
The idea that Jesus' death means individuals will not experience sickness, aging, and physical death in the current life is an interpretation found in certain specific Christian theological viewpoints, often associated with the Word of Faith or "divine health" movements.

Key Biblical Passages and Interpretations
The concepts mentioned relate to several biblical themes:
1. Victory over Sin and Spiritual Death: The Bible teaches that sin entered the world through Adam, and death both spiritual separation from God and physical death (Romans 5:12–21) is the consequence of that sin. Jesus' death and resurrection provided a way for humanity to be reconciled with God, offering forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life (Romans 6:23).

2. Future Hope and the Resurrection: Future Hope and the Resurrection: The ultimate removal of physical suffering, aging, and death is described as a future event, often linked to Christ's second coming and the general resurrection.
• Revelation 21:4 states: "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away".
• 1 Corinthians 15:53 speaks of a future transformation: "For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality".
• Philippians 3:20-21 mentions that Christ "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body".

3. Physical Healing in the Atonement: Some groups interpret passages like Isaiah 53:5 ("by his wounds we are healed" ) and 1 Peter 2:24 as a guarantee of physical healing that believers can claim in the present life. These interpretations suggest that just as sin was dealt with on the cross, so were all forms of sickness and disease.


Peace!

Your AI result in point 2 clearly says it is a future event and the remaining points were dedicated to describing that future event yet you failed to understand
Shall we then say AI is smarter than you

adamumar522:
"Islam Abad" meaning Islam till the end. "Ahmad Abad" meaning Ahmad or Muhammad till the end etc. Oyibo pipu joined them together just like Onyi Igbo ( Onyigbo). Get the knowledge of places before you talk about them pls.

False
Islamabad means "City of Islam" not what you claimed up there. "Abad" here is Persian language not Arab

Miosofune:
Let me correct you;
Islam had existed long before the existence of our dear lovely Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The prohet only came to teach and spread Islam to the people in attestation to what the previous (other) prophets had brought to the people. Every human being is born as a Muslim. For this, Burn Boy didn't converted but reverted because he was born as a Muslims only his parent changed it after child birth.

Who were the group, people or nation practicing Islam before Mohammed became the prophet of Islam and what were the group called?

Nteogwuija:
You're making these points based on your personal hunch about the concept of God, not based on logic, or at the least, what your infallible Bible says.

Is this because you have no answers for my response?

Nteogwuija:
You say humans are insignificant, yet your Bible said God made man in his own image and likeness. Does it make sense to you that such product would be insignificant?

God is the Eternal Spirit and He made us in His image as eternal spirits with freewill who will rule over the physical universe!

This is what it means that God made us in His image.

Don't we make Robots in our Image?
Does that mean that they have flesh and blood like us? No!

Nteogwuija:
You said "God choose". You don't even have any proof that God exist. You don't even know what he or she(that's if they're humans) looks like, yet you know what their thought process is.

Deep Science show that God must exist whether you like not or not.

But I can prove it to you:
1. Can order come out of disorder without an external constraints?
2. Is the Universe eternal?
3. Is Entropy of the Universe increasing or decreasing?
4. Scientifically, can a System spontaneously exist?

All these point to the fact that
An Uncaused-First-Cause is the cause of the Universe and this Uncaused-First-Cause must be necessity be Everything and Everywhere.
He must be conscious because you are conscious!

God is a SPIRIT (Reach|Hebrew) sir!

Do you agree that
The Building is EVIDENCE of a Builder
Then the Universe is the Evidence of an Entity we call God!

Think about this!

Nteogwuija:
God did not intend to create robots. Your Bible said Adam and Eve were created naked without knowing what's good or evil. Isn't that a robot?

You are wrong sir!
Adam and Eve knew what was good and what was not.

Gen 3:6:
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasing to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate."

The meaning of the Examination of Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is to Be INDEPENDENT from God.
God will no more be the Source of the Knowledge of what is Good and What is Evil BUT themselves.

Adam and Eve declared their INDEPENDENCE from God by eating of the Tree.

idreesjigo:
PS: I wrote Revert instead of Convert because based on a Hadith everyone is a born Muslim

Stop deiceiving yeourself. Everione wasn't Born a Meuslim.


A Meuslim is someone who siubmits to yeur ailah.

I don't siubmit to yeur ailah. I siubmit to God Almighty, whose name is Yhwh.

Yeur Ailah is not God Almighty. Your ailah is a paigan idiol worishiped by paigans in Meicca long before Isliam started.

Stiop stiealing the identity of Yahweh and giving it to yeur paigan ailah

Nteogwuija:
You're not getting the point here.

I made that point on the premise that God is perfect, he's omniscience, and omnipresent.

So if I had all these God-like qualities, I'd know whether or not my software acting independently would cause harm to it, then I'd act accordingly.

I'd accept your argument if you tell them that the Bible is all lies, and that God is not what the Bible claims he or she to be.

You are not getting the point.

It is NOT God's intention to Create Dumb Robots!
God created Free willed Agents for His own purpose.

God knows that in this multitude, there will be those who will use their Volition to Choose Independence from Him and there would be others who will choose to be dependent on Him.

The Earth is a place of Selection!


God's Omniscience let Him know that His objectives will be Achieved in humans.

You did not answer my question
1.Would you admit that the highest creation of an AI robot will be one that can act independently of your input?

2. If you made 1000 such super AI robots and only 50 choose to live according to human rules, what do you think should be done with the remaining 950?

The Answer to Question 1 is a Y or N
Which is higher between a Dummy Robot or an Autonomous Robot?

idreesjigo:
PS: I wrote Revert instead of Convert because based on a Hadith everyone is a born Muslim

In your Papa house

Ekrenji:
How can everyone be born a Muslim when Islam was only founded in the 7th century by Mohammed? The words “Muslim”, “Islam” did not exist before that time

Modified:
Mohammed is the founder of Islam.
There is no evidence that Islam or Muslims existed before Mohammed.
The period in Arabian before Mohammed formed Islam was referred to as “pre Islamic period of ignorance “

Gbamsolutely

idreesjigo:
PS: I wrote Revert instead of Convert because based on a Hadith everyone is a born Muslim

God forbid bad thing. I can never be a Muslim. Abomination!

SIRTee15:
U people will be doing Cho Cho Cho in what u know nothing about....
When we bounce on you now and expose the illogical concept of Islam, u will start threatening.

For one, there is no salvation in Islam. Quran never mentioned salvation, any Muslim talking about salvation is simply talking about a borrowed concept from Christianity.

Allah has designed the destiny of every man even before he was born. And u can't change it, no matter how hard u try.
No man can rewrite the destiny Allah willed for him. No matter your circumstances in life, it's your destiny willed by Allah.
So tell me, how can u safe yourself from what Allah already destined for you!!!!
Islam makes no sense.

Now to your ignorant claim about children and heaven as it pertains Christianity.

This is what Jesus Christ has to say.....

Mathew 19.14
14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” 15 When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.

Mathew 18.3
And Jesus said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

ALL LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE AUTOMATIC TICKET TO HEAVEN. THEY ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR DEEDS BECAUSE THEIR SOUL IS PURE.

Matthew 5.8
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

I understand that my previous write-up may have hurt you deeply, and for that, I apologize. I empathize with your feelings. This is the kind of misunderstanding that Muslims often face here every day, especially because of a few unscrupulous individuals claiming to be jihadists—leading many to wrongly condemn all of us.

You are correct when you say that children receive an automatic ticket to heaven because they are pure of heart and innocent, and God would not punish them for sins they know nothing about. My earlier response was based on my experiences with Christian preachers in my youth, who would preach that if we failed to believe Jesus died for our sins or accept him, we were destined for hell. I remember wondering what I had done at such a young age to earn God’s anger, and that His peace could only come if I accepted Jesus. As Muslims, we believe in Jesus but regard him as a prophet, and our judgment will be by Jehovah, who sent Jesus—not by man.

Regarding your opinion about destiny, I believe you are mistaken because destiny is real. Much of what happens on earth is already predestined by the Creator. This explains why some individuals can foresee events and make prophecies. Do you think anything truly new happens in God’s eyes? Everything is simply unfolding according to His will. God’s plan for your life is your destiny. As the Quran says, "Man proposes, and God disposes" (Quran 76:30). Similarly, the Bible states in Proverbs 16:9, "In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps." Even Jesus himself had to submit to God’s will (Matthew 26:39). Isaiah 46:10 also states: "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." So, God is not watching new things unfold—His plan is simply being realized.

More broadly, what you are and everything about you has been destined by God. This is why sorcerers sometimes seem to know intimate details about your life, your identity, and your future. They are not supernatural beings but are reading signs that God has already written—for example, some believe that much of our life’s path is written on our palms, although few can interpret it. With spiritual knowledge (ilmu ruhani), even a little information such as your name and your mother’s name can reveal much about your past, present, and future (though such practices are forbidden in Islam). They can describe many life events, including details about your spouse and children.

As for whether one is destined for heaven or hell, Islam teaches that much is already recorded about you. God has predestined many aspects of life—only a few are within our control. The Bible echoes this in Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

What can change our destiny? Only the One who predestined it can change it—when we pray sincerely and He answers, our destiny may be altered according to His will.


Shalom!

Hope he will give up alcohol...

Kukutente23:
Your AI result in point 2 clearly says it is a future event and the remaining points were dedicated to describing that future event yet you failed to understand
Shall we then say AI is smarter than you

Like I mentioned earlier, the belief that Jesus’ death means individuals will not experience sickness, aging, or physical death in this life is specific to certain Christian theological interpretations. The points I presented were meant to support my argument: First, original sin brings death to humanity; second, while Jesus’ death does not prevent our physical death in this life, it assures us of eternal life in the future (John 3:16); third, original sin also causes sickness but Jesus’ death promises believers physical healing that can be claimed in the present life. You need to improve your comprehension skills. I carefully gathered relevant verses, explained them, and provided their interpretations, yet your main concern seemed to be fault-finding and questioning whether I used AI. You seriously need to work on yourself.

Peace!

HeatSeeker:
Which branch of Islam did he "revert" into?!

I doubt you would have written all this if he converted into the Sufi order or Shia denomination of Islam

Anyone who doesn't believe in Quran and Prophet Muhammad is not a Muslim.
Sufi and shia are not practicing Islam, they are on their own

Almunjid:
Like I mentioned earlier, the belief that Jesus’ death means individuals will not experience sickness, aging, or physical death in this life is specific to certain Christian theological interpretations. The points I presented were meant to support my argument: First, original sin brings death to humanity; second, while Jesus’ death does not prevent our physical death in this life, it assures us of eternal life in the future (John 3:16); third, original sin also causes sickness but Jesus’ death promises believers physical healing that can be claimed in the present life. You need to improve your comprehension skills. I carefully gathered relevant verses, explained them, and provided their interpretations, yet your main concern seemed to be fault-finding and questioning whether I used AI. You seriously need to work on yourself.

Peace!

You specifically mentioned sickness, ageing and death as things Christians are immune from
I asked for reference and you delved into AI
Your latest attempt is lame. You could only make a reference for sickness out of the three and even that one is flawed because Jesus never said those who believe in him will never be sick. That's your warped narrative. Your AI doesn't agree with you in that regard. You need to try better

idreesjigo:
PS: I wrote Revert instead of Convert because based on a Hadith everyone is a born Muslim

so you so much believe in lie to strengthen Islam