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The Nigerian Police Force has never been on the right side of history.

12345baba:
L who told u army senior police? Police is the oldest organization. Police fiT arrest army.. na Nigeria wey done spoil make us dey see police finish.

don't just go into something that is beyond you. Let's just leave the conversation at the level of the video uploaded.

The police uniforms looks smelly.
Meanwhile this fct minister dey stain presidency white.
Always in the news for the wrong reasons

Dogalmighty17:
Let's address this matter without any form of sentiments.
1. Why were Navy personnel sent to guard a property that doesn't belong to the government?
2. The land supposedly belongs to a retired navy officer who's service ended during Buhari's tenure. What authority does he have to request for active duty officers to secure property for him?
3. The FCDA had first sent their staff to that property seeing that the documents supposedly authorising the sale to the owner weren't duly signed by the appropriate commissioner in charge. Why were they stopped from carrying out their lawful duty?
4. The FCT minister serves at the behest of the president. Why was he impeded from carrying out his lawful assignment?
5. It must be asked at this point, where do the loyalties of the navy lie? With the president? If so, how was a retired navy officer able to give instruction to a serving officer to deploy armed personnel to guard his property?

I am no means a Wike apologist. I think he is too crude and lacks tact but at a time when a rumoured coup was supposedly nipped in the bud, the Navy should not be seen to be answering to the demands of a retired official. Who is it that received that order and acted on it? Was this order carried out with the knowledge of the Chief of naval staff? If yes, that's condemnable. If no, then it calls into question his fitness for the job.

Heads need to roll for this. Wike needs to be sacked as well. He could have handled the matter better instead of embarrassing the president.

To answer your question 1 nd 2, the property belongs to a 3 star General who retired as a naval chief. Q2, upon retirement, a certain number of officers of different ranks and other staff are assigned to him until his death. What he does with the officers can only be answered by him alone. As a 3 star general, even in retirement, he remains a general and must be accorded the respect. The Armed Forces Act (Cap A20 LFN 2004) and established military traditions in Nigeria support this claim.

Antoeni:
The officer did the right thing. He didn’t lose his cool, didn’t disrespect his rank, and didn’t abandon his duty. He simply stood on procedure, "Sir, I am acting on orders. If you have a problem, take it up with my superior." That is exactly how discipline works. The military chain of command is not a toy for politicians.

What orders and from which superior!!!!!!

In a civilized country the police go arrest that military personnel irrespective of whose order he is standing on......

We just like standing on the wrong side of things and taking sides unnecessarily on abnormal things.

Dogalmighty17:
Let's address this matter without any form of sentiments.
1. Why were Navy personnel sent to guard a property that doesn't belong to the government?
2. The land supposedly belongs to a retired navy officer who's service ended during Buhari's tenure. What authority does he have to request for active duty officers to secure property for him?
3. The FCDA had first sent their staff to that property seeing that the documents supposedly authorising the sale to the owner weren't duly signed by the appropriate commissioner in charge. Why were they stopped from carrying out their lawful duty?
4. The FCT minister serves at the behest of the president. Why was he impeded from carrying out his lawful assignment?
5. It must be asked at this point, where do the loyalties of the navy lie? With the president? If so, how was a retired navy officer able to give instruction to a serving officer to deploy armed personnel to guard his property?

I am no means a Wike apologist. I think he is too crude and lacks tact but at a time when a rumoured coup was supposedly nipped in the bud, the Navy should not be seen to be answering to the demands of a retired official. Who is it that received that order and acted on it? Was this order carried out with the knowledge of the Chief of naval staff? If yes, that's condemnable. If no, then it calls into question his fitness for the job.

Heads need to roll for this. Wike needs to be sacked as well. He could have handled the matter better instead of embarrassing the president.

Most of your questions were asked out of sheer ignorance, but that's fine. However, the questions are not devoid of sentiments.

For information sake, only the Chief in Command can give order to counter the order given by a most senior officer. Even the vice president cannot try it unless sworn in to take the place of the C in C in a case of his absence. The naval officer was acting under a command, Wike should have contacted the one who gave him the order. He himself cannot order the soldier off that property. Only the one who gave the order in the 1st place, the Chief of staff, or the president can order him out of that property.


Lastly, the loyalty of any soldiers lies with NOT the presidency, but to the service of his country, and the president himself who is the GCON. The Chief in Command role of this position cannot be delegated. Not even to the VP. The FCT minister like other ministers is just an office holder under the president's cabinet. He cannot give or counter a military order.

edungene7:
Military they always represent walahi I love them die steze, moral and confidence nah there trademark imagine the drunkard from obiakor nah naval lieutenant pocket am I swear down the day Wike go enter any military general trap him go chop better beating and nothing will happen.

I'm proud of them

bixton:
What orders and from which superior!!!!!!

In a civilized country the police go arrest that military personnel irrespective of whose order he is standing on......

We just like standing on the wrong side of things and taking sides unnecessarily on abnormal things.

Stop capping rubbish. All these una beer parlour claims

Soldiers are subject to military law, only military authorities (through the Provost Marshal or superior officers) have the direct power to arrest and discipline them for offences, especially those committed in the line of duty.

You even mentioned civilised countries like you have ever left Nigeria. The US Police Department whether state or federal cannot just arrest a soldier in active service without the cooperation of his commanding post. It can only happen if he is caught committing a a civilian crime off duty and without uniform even at that, his commanding post must be alerted immediately for their cooperation. These are contained in military law enforcement such as: U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI)


Oya make another claim.

Just see how the minister of FTC is behaving... This man can't even present his points clearly, and with composure, just like his Oga. Now see how a younger man coordinated himself properly.
I'm ashamed to be ruled by these silly people.
He should have pushed further na, whether them no go scatter his brains everywhere

A "now disgraced country" true true

Police and government works






Just laughing laughing laughing

Blitzking:
Make police try this thing first..I wan check something.

Leave those mugus now, they don't know that na rank dem dey use for security work

Even that US, soldiers no dey come out anyhow but once they come out, police steps aside ni

Army talk to police





100% percent true

Those Naira notes dem dey collect don enter their heads to the point 👉 of no return. I can bet you the police officer will go home and think 🤔 about that timely and crucial advice from the army man.

RaptorX:
In the US who born soldier to disrespect a police officer, na handcuffs straight. It is only in Nigeria that soldiers think they are superior to police in a democracy like that naval officer in the earlier video saying I am talking police is also talking lol. I like the way Wike tongue lash him and call him a fool to his face, I thought they don't tolerate disrespect from bloody civilians, why was he saying I am not a fool sir while Wike was berating him, even the DSS and police attached to Wike pushed them around and they couldn't do jack.

Probably a Luitenanant or Captain that guy in the earlier video talking back rudely to Wike, probably the second most powerful man in Nigeria, that guy should kiss his military career goodbye, because they will frustrate him out. Instead of him to salute and tell his soldiers to stand down, his body language was who is this bloody civilian talking to, I pity him he will learn the hard way, that uniform must have gotten into his head

We don hear But please, why did they turn back?

So you're not ashamed of a whole minister of FCT shouting and throwing insults like a market woman, just to end up retreating?

So na now una recognize democracy and law?
The lack of shame in this current government is alarming... I can't even get mad anymore

Dogalmighty17:
Let's address this matter without any form of sentiments.
1. Why were Navy personnel sent to guard a property that doesn't belong to the government?
2. The land supposedly belongs to a retired navy officer who's service ended during Buhari's tenure. What authority does he have to request for active duty officers to secure property for him?
3. The FCDA had first sent their staff to that property seeing that the documents supposedly authorising the sale to the owner weren't duly signed by the appropriate commissioner in charge. Why were they stopped from carrying out their lawful duty?
4. The FCT minister serves at the behest of the president. Why was he impeded from carrying out his lawful assignment?
5. It must be asked at this point, where do the loyalties of the navy lie? With the president? If so, how was a retired navy officer able to give instruction to a serving officer to deploy armed personnel to guard his property?

I am no means a Wike apologist. I think he is too crude and lacks tact but at a time when a rumoured coup was supposedly nipped in the bud, the Navy should not be seen to be answering to the demands of a retired official. Who is it that received that order and acted on it? Was this order carried out with the knowledge of the Chief of naval staff? If yes, that's condemnable. If no, then it calls into question his fitness for the job.

Heads need to roll for this. Wike needs to be sacked as well. He could have handled the matter better instead of embarrassing the president.

it's not only military. Happens in civil and public services as well.
There are privileges associated with retiring at a very senior level.
There are retired public service board members that are entitled to medical treatment abroad for life. Former governors that served, even for just 4 years are entitled to police and DSS details for life. Retired very senior officers are entitled to junior officer details for life as well

olatunjithomas:
Stop capping rubbish. All these una beer parlour claims

Soldiers are subject to military law, only military authorities (through the Provost Marshal or superior officers) have the direct power to arrest and discipline them for offences, especially those committed in the line of duty.

You even mentioned civilised countries like you have ever left Nigeria. The US Police Department whether state or federal cannot just arrest a soldier in active service without the cooperation of his commanding post. It can only happen if he is caught committing a a civilian crime off duty and without uniform even at that, his commanding post must be alerted immediately for their cooperation. These are contained in military law enforcement such as: U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI)


Oya make another claim.

It is very good that you even acknowledged that a police can arrest a military officer.

That is all it is.

olatunjithomas:
Most of your questions were asked out of sheer ignorance, but that's fine. However, the questions are not devoid of sentiments.

For information sake, only the Chief in Command can give order to counter the order given by a most senior officer. Even the vice president cannot try it unless sworn in to take the place of the C in C in a case of his absence. The naval officer was acting under a command, Wike should have contacted the one who gave him the order. He himself cannot order the soldier off that property. Only the one who gave the order in the 1st place, the Chief of staff, or the president can order him out of that property.


Lastly, the loyalty of any soldiers lies with NOT the presidency, but to the service of his country, and the president himself who is the GCON. The Chief in Command role of this position cannot be delegated. Not even to the VP. The FCT minister like other ministers is just an office holder under the president's cabinet. He cannot give or counter a military order.

What is the military order in this instance?

To safeguard land, I presume!!!!!!

Can they ship these navy guys to lake Chad to help us fight boko haram and iswap.
They are even looking more kitted than the guys on the frontline fighting terrorists and bandits.

bixton:
What is the military order in this instance?

To safeguard land, I presume!!!!!!

Nigerian military have become so useless that they are now used in doing maiguard.
Imagine the sub lieutenant that spent 4-5years in NDA manning the gates of a parcel of land.

olatunjithomas:
Stop capping rubbish. All these una beer parlour claims

Soldiers are subject to military law, only military authorities (through the Provost Marshal or superior officers) have the direct power to arrest and discipline them for offences, especially those committed in the line of duty.

You even mentioned civilised countries like you have ever left Nigeria. The US Police Department whether state or federal cannot just arrest a soldier in active service without the cooperation of his commanding post.

It can only happen if he is caught committing a a civilian crime off duty and without uniform even at that, his commanding post must be alerted immediately for their cooperation. These are contained in military law enforcement such as: U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI)


Oya make another claim.

You are mostly correct, however, they can arrest even if a uniform is worn. And they dont need a cooperation before an arrest is made, especially if that soldier poses a threat to public safety.

olatunjithomas:
Stop capping rubbish. All these una beer parlour claims

Soldiers are subject to military law, only military authorities (through the Provost Marshal or superior officers) have the direct power to arrest and discipline them for offences, especially those committed in the line of duty.

You even mentioned civilised countries like you have ever left Nigeria. The US Police Department whether state or federal cannot just arrest a soldier in active service without the cooperation of his commanding post. It can only happen if he is caught committing a a civilian crime off duty and without uniform even at that, his commanding post must be alerted immediately for their cooperation. These are contained in military law enforcement such as: U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI)


Oya make another claim.

The parcel of land the military personnel is guarding is that now a responsibility of that officer under the Nigerian law , is that subject to military law?

RaptorX:
In the US who born soldier to disrespect a police officer, na handcuffs straight.

It is only in Nigeria that soldiers think they are superior to police in a democracy like that naval officer in the earlier video saying I am talking police is also talking lol.

I like the way Wike tongue lash him and call him a fool to his face, I thought they don't tolerate disrespect from bloody civilians, why was he saying I am not a fool sir while Wike was berating him, even the DSS and police attached to Wike pushed them around and they couldn't do jack.

Probably a Luitenanant or Captain that guy in the earlier video talking back rudely to Wike, probably the second most powerful man in Nigeria, that guy should kiss his military career goodbye, because they will frustrate him out. Instead of him to salute and tell his soldiers to stand down, his body language was who is this bloody civilian talking to, I pity him he will learn the hard way, that uniform must have gotten into his head

Its the effect of several decades of military government.

Sonnobax15:

NPF being tutored by their senior brothers on how bad the Nigerian system is

In Nigeria yes. But in all functioning societies the police are actually the senior brothers of all security agents.

Na 3star General we dey talk of no be youth corper

Dogalmighty17:
Let's address this matter without any form of sentiments.
1. Why were Navy personnel sent to guard a property that doesn't belong to the government?
2. The land supposedly belongs to a retired navy officer who's service ended during Buhari's tenure. What authority does he have to request for active duty officers to secure property for him?
3. The FCDA had first sent their staff to that property seeing that the documents supposedly authorising the sale to the owner weren't duly signed by the appropriate commissioner in charge. Why were they stopped from carrying out their lawful duty?
4. The FCT minister serves at the behest of the president. Why was he impeded from carrying out his lawful assignment?
5. It must be asked at this point, where do the loyalties of the navy lie? With the president? If so, how was a retired navy officer able to give instruction to a serving officer to deploy armed personnel to guard his property?

I am no means a Wike apologist. I think he is too crude and lacks tact but at a time when a rumoured coup was supposedly nipped in the bud, the Navy should not be seen to be answering to the demands of a retired official. Who is it that received that order and acted on it? Was this order carried out with the knowledge of the Chief of naval staff? If yes, that's condemnable. If no, then it calls into question his fitness for the job.

Heads need to roll for this. Wike needs to be sacked as well. He could have handled the matter better instead of embarrassing the president.

SixSeven:
The Nigerian government over time, with assistance of the NPF degraded the Nigerian Police. It didn't help that Nigeria was led by the military for years but since 1999, they did not regard the police high, that's why see finish don enter. We have heard of so many scandals in the Police so they too don't treat themselves well. The Police is a reflection of Nigeria. How you treat yourself is how others will see you. Just take a look at a typical police barracks and a Naval base or army barracks and you will find out what you need to know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoAsSsjOuO0

I remember many years ago in one small town in a European country, while the soldiers are training driving their tanks, only one police man will be monitoring them to make sure there wasn't any reckless driving or over speeding . He would mount his motorcycle and go around the different 'formations' and route. The military guys behaved without questions

bixton:
The parcel of land the military personnel is guarding is that now a responsibility of that officer under the Nigerian law , is that subject to military law?

Bro, even if it is a pair of slippers, as long as the order is from a superior officer, he cannot question the order.
That is how powerful they are.

u dont knw noting

RaptorX:
In the US who born soldier to disrespect a police officer, na handcuffs straight. It is only in Nigeria that soldiers think they are superior to police in a democracy like that naval officer in the earlier video saying I am talking police is also talking lol. I like the way Wike tongue lash him and call him a fool to his face, I thought they don't tolerate disrespect from bloody civilians, why was he saying I am not a fool sir while Wike was berating him, even the DSS and police attached to Wike pushed them around and they couldn't do jack.

Probably a Luitenanant or Captain that guy in the earlier video talking back rudely to Wike, probably the second most powerful man in Nigeria, that guy should kiss his military career goodbye, because they will frustrate him out. Instead of him to salute and tell his soldiers to stand down, his body language was who is this bloody civilian talking to, I pity him he will learn the hard way, that uniform must have gotten into his head

bixton:
What is the military order in this instance?

To safeguard land, I presume!!!!!!

Whether it is to safeguard land or a pair of slippers, the job is the job, and an order is an order.

As long as that property belong to a former CNS, who is also a 3 star General, it is a legal duty bro. However, such duty ceases to be legal the day he dies.

Zehdbe:
u dont knw noting

You don't have to stress. From where he said Wike is the second most powerful person in the country, I knew immediately that he is just one dumb kid.

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The funny thing is that these ones doing unnecessary gragra to impress Wike, one accidental discharge and he will kpai. Wike won't send his family. And that's end of the case. Imagine the audacity to fight for a Nigerian politician. No be juju be that? I noticed that the smart ones take style move back as tension begin rise. Who want kpai for nonsense?

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SeverusSnape:
It's true na. Nigeria does not care about you.
If you like go and die for nothing because of useless politicians.

Guess what that night the retired rear admiral fit dey with Wike resolve the issue over a bottle of Hennessy. Na these foot soldiers and yeye police go dey form voltron .
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