₦airaland Forum

SisterAnn:
The government of the day has not invited them. They are called veterans, when you invite them to come and help, they will.

How can someone be invited to come and help at his own Job?

When they were "in service" did they need any government invitation to do their Job?

Stop bantering on semantics...it's either they are in service or they are not..

buygala:
A whole lot has been said about Wike's Drama with that Navy Officer on a landed property in Abuja

Even a former Chief of Army Staff General Buratai (rtd) has weighed in ,calling Wike's action a threat to national security ...This is not the time and place for me to say what I think of General Buratai and his stint as Chief of Army Staff...But i can guarantee you that they are not palatable thoughts...

Now the questions that some of us want answers to are these:

1...Does a retired officer (in this case the retired Chief of Naval Staff) have a right to still issue valid orders to a soldier, much less to issue such orders to override a serving Minister of the Federal Republic?..Moreso that the Minister in this case is the Minister of the FCT, who unlike any State Governor, is a direct appointee of the Commander-in-Chief?

2..What is a soldier doing guarding a property that is not a designated property of the Nigerian Armed forces, or even a subject of national Interest, even to the extent of refusing the Chief FCT administrator (A representative of the C-in-C) into said property?

3....As Wike was appointed FCT Minister by the President who is the C-in-C and not elected like other Governors, doesn't that mean he is until proven otherwise, standing in the C-in-C's stead when he went to that property?...Then what right does a retired Officer (regardless of rank held) to issue orders restricting the representative of the C-in-C from entering said property that is neither a military installation or a place of designated security interest?

At this point, I think the Armed forces have overstepped their bounds, regardless of Wike's behavior which is a topic for another day...No serving officer, much less a retired one has any right to stand in the way of any representative of the Commander in Chief, as same is tantamount to a coup/Mutiny...

What happened yesterday in Abuja to Wike, is to call a spade a spade, a Mutiny directly against the President who appointed Wike to oversee the FCT administration...Simple and Short ...For all intents and purposes it's as if that youngling officer stood in the way of the President when he came to inspect that property..

And Yes... That officer needs to be immediately court-martialled for Mutiny and that his retired oga who sent him dealt with to the full extent of the law...These people need to be made an example of, especially in light of the recent coup allegations flying around...

A retired officer's orders overriding that of the President's representative is to say the least, outright madness, which if not nipped in the bud, will set the tone for other officers, retired and serving to question and override functions of the President's Direct appointees, constituting themselves into an authority above even the President

Retired service chiefs are entitled to an ADC for life. The question is whether this officer is his ADC. However as I have said, irrespective of whether he is his ADC or not, he has no right using him to engage in illegal acts.

buygala:
Wike is a direct appointee of the Commander-in-Chief, not an elected official like other Governors...What was done to Wike yesterday was for all intents and purposes, done to the Commander-in-Chief

Proceed from that premise and join the discussion...

You mean the young officer not accepting that he was a fool as Wike insisted?

buygala:
You have still failed to answer the questions raised?

Can a Military officer, retired or not (regardless of rank) override the Commander-in-Chief's direct representative ?

Simple and short

Also ask yourself this question,, the president is called Commander in Chief of what? Is he not the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces??

Is it Mr president that directed the minister to revoke the land or the minister was acting on his own directives?
If not for selfish interest, why not settle the matter in the office with the retired general rather than taking your whole entourage to go and be insulted in front of live cameras.

buygala:
A whole lot has been said about Wike's Drama with that Navy Officer on a landed property in Abuja

Even a former Chief of Army Staff General Buratai (rtd) has weighed in ,calling Wike's action a threat to national security ...This is not the time and place for me to say what I think of General Buratai and his stint as Chief of Army Staff...But i can guarantee you that they are not palatable thoughts...

Now the questions that some of us want answers to are these:

1...Does a retired officer (in this case the retired Chief of Naval Staff) have a right to still issue valid orders to a soldier, much less to issue such orders to override a serving Minister of the Federal Republic?..Moreso that the Minister in this case is the Minister of the FCT, who unlike any State Governor, is a direct appointee of the Commander-in-Chief?

2..What is a soldier doing guarding a property that is not a designated property of the Nigerian Armed forces, or even a subject of national Interest, even to the extent of refusing the Chief FCT administrator (A representative of the C-in-C) into said property?

3....As Wike was appointed FCT Minister by the President who is the C-in-C and not elected like other Governors, doesn't that mean he is until proven otherwise, standing in the C-in-C's stead when he went to that property?...Then what right does a retired Officer (regardless of rank held) to issue orders restricting the representative of the C-in-C from entering said property that is neither a military installation or a place of designated security interest?

At this point, I think the Armed forces have overstepped their bounds, regardless of Wike's behavior which is a topic for another day...No serving officer, much less a retired one has any right to stand in the way of any representative of the Commander in Chief, as same is tantamount to a coup/Mutiny...

What happened yesterday in Abuja to Wike, is to call a spade a spade, a Mutiny directly against the President who appointed Wike to oversee the FCT administration...Simple and Short ...For all intents and purposes it's as if that youngling officer stood in the way of the President when he came to inspect that property..

And Yes... That officer needs to be immediately court-martialled for Mutiny and that his retired oga who sent him dealt with to the full extent of the law...These people need to be made an example of, especially in light of the recent coup allegations flying around...

A retired officer's orders overriding that of the President's representative is to say the least, outright madness, which if not nipped in the bud, will set the tone for other officers, retired and serving to question and override functions of the President's Direct appointees, constituting themselves into an authority above even the President

so a minister using derogatory word to a citizen and officer at that is not mutinous abi..una go just come dey whitewash everythng all for politics sake, defending those that dont even give a damn abut you and will throw you under the bus for their own survival... in a sane clime the discussion wont even about order or no ordr, but about a minister shouting and cursing in public..he should sacked or made to resign..a minister is suppose to be a role model for leadership not agbero but u lot wont know but defend absurdity everywehre..make una go sitdwon abeg

Daniboygeorge22:
Also ask yourself this question,, the president is called Commander in Chief of what? Is he not the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces??

[b]Is it Mr president that directed the minister to revoke the land or the minister was acting on his own directives? [b]
If not for selfish interest, why not settle the matter in the office with the retired general rather than taking your whole entourage to go and be insulted in front of live cameras.

Wike was at that land as FCT Minister duly appointed by the Commander-in-Chief, until proven otherwise ...Last I checked the President who appointed him hasn't disowned his actions as FCT Minister or sacked him from that office...

It's now up to you to show us that the Minister was acting "on his own directives" as you claim

IamAsiri:
You mean the young officer not accepting that he was a fool as Wike insisted?

If the Commander-in-Chief who Wike was representing had called him a fool, he would have also talked back at him?

His seniors in the armed forces say far worse to him, and dem no born im papa well to respond...If it's not see finish, where did he get the guts to respond to a Commander-in-Chief's representative?

hegelian:
so a minister using derogatory word to a citizen and officer at that is not mutinous abi..una go just come dey whitewash everythng all for politics sake, defending those that dont even give a damn abut you and will throw you under the bus for their own survival... in a sane clime the discussion wont even about order or no ordr, but about a minister shouting and cursing in public..he should sacked or made to resign..a minister is suppose to be a role model for leadership not agbero but u lot wont know but defend absurdity everywehre..make una go sitdwon abeg

That officer's seniors in the armed forces call him and treat him far worse than a fool, and he dare not respond ...

But he has the temerity to retort to an extant Minister acting directly under the authority of the Commander-in-Chief..That is same as retorting directly to the Commander-in-Chief...

Whether Wike had to call him a fool or not is irrelevant at this point...the question is if Tinubu who Wike was representing had been the one who called him a fool, would he have had the guts to retort?

You and your fellow armed forces sympathizers should have some shame ..

Even if Wike had abused his mother, he dare not respond to him....An officer one rank above him in the military will tell him far Worse and he must even salute to collect such insult...

.All he can do is take up his complaint up the proper channels, if wetin Wike talk vex am

buygala:
A whole lot has been said about Wike's Drama with that Navy Officer on a landed property in Abuja

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There is Chain of command in the military.

Wike should have gotten the name of the commanding officer of the Naval personnel and spoken to the commanding officer not directly to the Naval officer.

MarketDispatch:
There is Chain of command in the military.

Wike should have gotten the name of the commanding officer of the Naval personnel and spoken to the commanding officer not directly to the Naval officer.

Chain of command you say?

What was "Chain of command" doing on a land that's not a military installation or subject of national security?

Was there an ISIS attack going on there that necessitated Chain of command being there?

buygala:
You have still failed to answer the questions raised?

Can a Military officer, retired or not (regardless of rank) override the Commander-in-Chief's direct representative ?

Simple and short

The commander in chief's representative does not have the right to command a soldier.
Only the commander in chief has that right.

buygala:
If the Commander-in-Chief who Wike was representing had called him a fool, he would have also talked back at him?

His seniors in the armed forces say far worse to him, and dem no born im papa well to respond...If it's not see finish, where did he get the guts to respond to a Commander-in-Chief's representative?

Mr man, he doesn't report to Wike. His immediate boss has more control over him than Wike. And, moreover, Wike's choice of words showed that he was power-drunk.

You can decide to disgrace the Navy uniform if you were in his shoes but he has decided not to. He didn't act like a fool -- he tried his very best to respect the Minister, up until that oversabi policeman opened his mouth to deride him, which he would not accept.

buygala:
Wike was at that land as FCT Minister duly appointed by the Commander-in-Chief, until proven otherwise ...Last I checked the President who appointed him hasn't disowned his actions as FCT Minister or sacked him from that office...

It's now up to you to show us that the Minister was acting "on his own directives" as you claim

Preventing FCT officials from demolishing a property without a valid court order is very correct and a commendable action. It is illegal for an FCT Minister to revoke a land and then reallocate the land to another individual, the law clearly stated that the government can only revoke and reallocate a land when the land is to be used for public interest like building schools, hospitals and others. Do you know two bulldozers were there yesterday ? Do you know that the issue has been lingering for long and the FCT minister has refused to approach the court ? We should not allow our political affiliations influence our sense of reasoning. #copied. I rest my case here

buygala:
That officer's seniors in the armed forces call him and treat him far worse than a fool, and he dare not respond ...

But he has the temerity to retort to an extant Minister acting directly under the authority of the Commander-in-Chief..That is same as retorting directly to the Commander-in-Chief...

Whether Wike had to call him a fool or not is irrelevant at this point...the question is if Tinubu who Wike was representing had been the one who called him a fool, would he have had the guts to retort?

You and your fellow armed forces sympathizers should have some shame ..

Even if Wike had abused his mother, he dare not respond to him....An officer one rank above him in the military will tell him far Worse and he must even salute to collect such insult...

.All he can do is take up his complaint up the proper channels, if wetin Wike talk vex am

Una dey see the kind people we live together with.. How can a country move forward with this kind of people.. People that have sold their soul so much that all they think about is partisanship.. Defending absurdity everywhere.. Just imagine a supposedly sane human defending a public disgrace of a minister.. Shior

Ekpeitut:
Rephrase the question to:
Can a former governor (Wike) still issue valid commands to a current governor (Fubara)?

If your answer is Yes, then you have answer you are looking for

Touche!

buygala:
A whole lot has been said about Wike's Drama with that Navy Officer on a landed property in Abuja

Even a former Chief of Army Staff General Buratai (rtd) has weighed in ,calling Wike's action a threat to national security ...This is not the time and place for me to say what I think of General Buratai and his stint as Chief of Army Staff...But i can guarantee you that they are not palatable thoughts...

Now the questions that some of us want answers to are these:

1...Does a retired officer (in this case the retired Chief of Naval Staff) have a right to still issue valid orders to a soldier, much less to issue such orders to override a serving Minister of the Federal Republic?..Moreso that the Minister in this case is the Minister of the FCT, who unlike any State Governor, is a direct appointee of the Commander-in-Chief?
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And Yes... That officer needs to be immediately court-martialled for Mutiny and that his retired oga who sent him dealt with to the full extent of the law...These people need to be made an example of, especially in light of the recent coup allegations flying around...

A retired officer's orders overriding that of the President's representative is to say the least, outright madness, which if not nipped in the bud, will set the tone for other officers, retired and serving to question and override functions of the President's Direct appointees, constituting themselves into an authority above even the President

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!
You speak my mind my bro.

Someone retired giving standing order to someone in service to counter the President's personally appointed servant!!! I say, if they don't do something and fast, like next week, MORE AND MORE SUCH WILL HAPPEN.....THE IMPUNITY OF BUHARI REGIME CAN WEAR A NEW MASK AND GROW HYDRA-SNAKES ON IT'S HEAD, even resulting in mutiny and even C0*ps!!!

>>>>>>Do something to the retired vice admiral, to the Lt, and also to minister Wike <<<<<<