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This course 101 na year 1 first semester course o! No be small thing o!

May Allah bless our marriages with sustenance, fruit of womb, pious offspring and conducive environment!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to treat two different people equally, so your point number 2 is not possible. Even among the wives of Mohammed, Aisha was treated differently and the other wives knew that she was the preferred one

Islam as a religion needs serious amendments

Good lesson I have learnt from.

AntiChristian:
This course 101 na year 1 first semester course o! No be small thing o!

May Allah bless our marriages with sustenance, fruit of womb, pious offspring and conducive environment!

Ameen Ya hayyu ya quyyum

Ekrenji:
It is IMPOSSIBLE to treat two different people equally, so your point number 2 is not possible. Even among the wives of Mohammed, Aisha was treated differently and the other wives knew that she was the preferred one

You are right, that's why it is clearly stated in Q4:129, Allah says you can NEVER do justice between your wives.

We can only strive to provide equal food, shelter and clothing (with fluid cash) for all our wives including the kids.

May Allah continue to guide us

Lolzzzzz 🤣

Islam only benefit is multiple women for men

Women no even get any benefit

In Islam if a man impregnated a woman without marriage that child is not legally his child

That means she is not forbidden to him in marriage

She is not forbidden to his legal sons in marriage

This actually proves that it is impossible to treat all of them equally.

If "intimacy" never dey, no be una.

These people sef...

Awón òní yéyé

Ekrenji:
It is IMPOSSIBLE to treat two different people equally, so your point number 2 is not possible. Even among the wives of Mohammed, Aisha was treated differently and the other wives knew that she was the preferred one

What dies it mean to treat people equally how is that defined and why is it impossible?

aribisala0:
In Islam if a man impregnated a woman without marriage that child is not legally his child

That means she is not forbidden to him in marriage

She is not forbidden to his legal sons in marriage

You raised 2 points, the first point is right while the second is false.

Stop spreading falsehood.

A man can not marry is mother infact he can not marry his Foster mother

Marriage to foster mothers is forbidden. They are the ones who have suckled you, their mothers and grandmothers, and whosoever is higher in the line of descent according to what has been mentioned in the genealogy. Every woman whose mother has suckled you or whom your mother suckled, or she and you have been suckled by the same woman, or you and she were suckled from the milk of the same man. Even if there were more than one foster mother. Such a woman is your sister and it is forbidden for you to marry her.

RealLordZeus:
You raised 2 points, the first point is right while the second is false.

Stop spreading falsehood.

A man can not marry is mother infact he can not marry his Foster mother

The rule does not apply to illegitimate daughters

RealLordZeus:
You raised 2 points, the first point is right while the second is false.

Stop spreading falsehood.

A man can not marry is mother infact he can not marry his Foster mother

Stop being dishonest

Al-walad lā yulḥaq bi-zānī.”
(A child is not attributed in lineage to the biological father in cases of zinā.)

This is applied to the category of maḥram relationships, concluding that the child has no legal filiation (nasab) to the man.

RealLordZeus:
You raised 2 points, the first point is right while the second is false.

Stop spreading falsehood.

A man can not marry is mother infact he can not marry his Foster mother

al-Mughnī Ibn Qudāmah (d. 620 AH) al-Mughnī, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb Man Yuḥarram Nikāḥuhu Records a narration attributed to ʿUbaydullāh ibn al-Ḥasan al-ʿAnbarī allowing the marriage due to absence of nasab.
al-Muḥallā Ibn Ḥazm (d. 456 AH) al-Muḥallā, Masʾalah fī Taḥrīm al-Nikāḥ bi-sabab al-Nasab Mentions a report from “some Kūfans” allowing the marriage because nasab is not established.
al-Mabsūṭ al-Sarakhṣī (d. 483 AH) al-Mabsūṭ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Notes the existence of a قول that if nasab is absent, taḥrīm does not apply.

Why does Islam pretend that there is a limit to four wives when in truth there is no limit, because with three simple words "talaq, talaq, talaq" one wife is gone and you can take on another and in this way you can carry on infinitely.

Zocalite:
Lolzzzzz 🤣

Islam only benefit is multiple women for men

Women no even get any benefit

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Indeed. The Islamic treatment of women is largely reprehensible.

In the Quoran, wife beating is approved.

Lagusta:
You are right, that's why it is clearly stated in Q4:129, Allah says you can NEVER do justice between your wives.

We can only strive to provide equal food, shelter and clothing (with fluid cash) for all our wives including the kids.

May Allah continue to guide us

How many wives did Allah said we can marry ?

Because I heard prophet Muhammad married 9 or 11?

Some aalfa said 4


Whom do we follow the Quran. Muhammed or alfa?

aribisala0:
Stop being dishonest

Al-walad lā yulḥaq bi-zānī.”
(A child is not attributed in lineage to the biological father in cases of zinā.)

This is applied to the category of maḥram relationships, concluding that the child has no legal filiation (nasab) to the man.

The falsehood is there to see by all and it speaks volume of the kind of person you are .

From my original post, I said you raised 2 points
First point, child borne out of marriage is an illegitimate child., I accepted and said this is right.
Second point, child borne out marriage can marry his mother.. I said this is false..

Show anywhere in Islamic law where it said a child legitimate or not can marry his mother...

What you listed above not possible to do without causing problems for yourself

You need second mind(politics) to navigate yourself in a polygamous marriage.

No way you can open to all wives without making the marriage enter crises.

Not possible to involve all them in decisions making, without causing crises in marriage as well, because all of them would start bringing decisions which will favour themselves and their own kids, hence, contradict overall welfare of family as a whole

Almost impossible to treat humans equally, even your kids.

Treat their emotional needs how possible? 3 of the wives need sex same time, how would husband treat such emotional needs. Even 2 wife, no man can satisfy her emotional needs, let alone 4.

DeepSight:
Why does Islam pretend that there is a limit to four wives when in truth there is no limit, because with three simple words "talaq, talaq, talaq" one wife is gone and you can take on another and in this way you can carry on infinitely.

So you agreed one has to divorce one wife before you can take another provided you already have four?

Are we still encouraging people to take multiple wives and produce children they cannot afford to feed or educate all under the guise of religion?.

Islam is predominantly practiced in the North, which is home to roughly 15.23 million out-of-school children, representing about 80% of Nigeria’s total.

The North West alone accounts for approximately 8.04 million, while the North East has about 5.06 million children who are not in school.

With the North holding the overwhelming majority of Nigeria’s out-of-school population, is it any surprise that the region has long struggled with severe insecurity, dating back to the Maitatsine uprisings of the 1980s?.

China’s former one-child policy prevented the demographic and socioeconomic challenges that Nigeria is now grappling with.

The real issue is not simply that Islam permits polygamy, it is the mindset of unproductive, idle individuals who feel compelled to reproduce excessively, as though it were a competition.

Even in the heartlands of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia and Shia Islam, Iran, people are not taking wives indiscriminately, despite being far more economically stable.

RealLordZeus:
The falsehood is there to see by all and it speaks volume of the kind of person you are .

From my original post, I said you raised 2 points
First point, child borne out of marriage is an illegitimate child., I accepted and said this is right.
Second point, child borne out marriage can marry his mother.. I said this is false..

Show anywhere in Islamic law where it said a child legitimate or not can marry his mother...

al-Mughnī Ibn Qudāmah (d. 620 AH) al-Mughnī, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb Man Yuḥarram Nikāḥuhu Records a narration attributed to ʿUbaydullāh ibn al-Ḥasan al-ʿAnbarī allowing the marriage due to absence of nasab.
al-Muḥallā Ibn Ḥazm (d. 456 AH) al-Muḥallā, Masʾalah fī Taḥrīm al-Nikāḥ bi-sabab al-Nasab Mentions a report from “some Kūfans” allowing the marriage because nasab is not established.
al-Mabsūṭ al-Sarakhṣī (d. 483 AH) al-Mabsūṭ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Notes the existence of a قول that if nasab is absent, taḥrīm does not apply.

Exceed15:
This actually proves that it is impossible to treat all of them equally.

Then why institute it


Do you know the damages polygamous home have done...the psychological trauma and fear till date

RealLordZeus:
The falsehood is there to see by all and it speaks volume of the kind of person you are .

From my original post, I said you raised 2 points
First point, child borne out of marriage is an illegitimate child., I accepted and said this is right.
Second point, child borne out marriage can marry his mother.. I said this is false..

Show anywhere in Islamic law where it said a child legitimate or not can marry his mother...

Badā’iʿ al-Ṣanā’iʿ al-Kāsānī (d. 587 AH) Badā’iʿ al-Ṣanā’iʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Fasl fī al-Maḥārim Lists a statement that “if a man produces a child through zinā there is no prohibition” because nasab is not assigned.
al-Majmūʿ Sharḥ al-Muhadhdhab al-Nawawī (d. 676 AH) al-Majmūʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Documents the reported view and attributes it to earlier jurists.
al-Tāj wa-l-Iklīl (Mālikī) al-Mawwāq (d. 897 AH) al-Tāj wa-l-Iklīl, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Records “qīla” that marriage is permissible when nasab is not legally established.
al-Furūʿ Ibn Mufliḥ al-Ḥanbalī (d. 763 AH) al-Furūʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Lists the view that absence of nasab removes taḥrīm.
al-Inṣāf al-Mardāwī (d. 885 AH) al-Inṣāf, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Cites the report attributed to certain earlier scholars.
Ḥāshiyat Ibn ʿĀbidīn Ibn ʿĀbidīn (d. 1252 AH) Radd al-Muḥtār, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Mentions the statement from earlier Kūfan sources: “lā taḥrīm li-ʿadam al-nasab.”

RealLordZeus:
So you agreed one has to divorce one wife before you can take another provided you already have four?

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The point is you can keep doing this forever. In fact in this way, you can virtually divorce all four every day (in fact every hour if you please, since you only have to say the words) and you can replenish ad infinitum.

Note that it's because of this ease that there is what is called the misyar marriage which is actually nothing but an arrangement for halal casual sex.

Note also that no limitations applied to the Prophet.

In Islam you can divorce a woman by saying I divorce you 3 or 4 times


Then simply take another one

aribisala0:
Badā’iʿ al-Ṣanā’iʿ al-Kāsānī (d. 587 AH) Badā’iʿ al-Ṣanā’iʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Fasl fī al-Maḥārim Lists a statement that “if a man produces a child through zinā there is no prohibition” because nasab is not assigned.
al-Majmūʿ Sharḥ al-Muhadhdhab al-Nawawī (d. 676 AH) al-Majmūʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Documents the reported view and attributes it to earlier jurists.
al-Tāj wa-l-Iklīl (Mālikī) al-Mawwāq (d. 897 AH) al-Tāj wa-l-Iklīl, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Records “qīla” that marriage is permissible when nasab is not legally established.
al-Furūʿ Ibn Mufliḥ al-Ḥanbalī (d. 763 AH) al-Furūʿ, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Lists the view that absence of nasab removes taḥrīm.
al-Inṣāf al-Mardāwī (d. 885 AH) al-Inṣāf, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ Cites the report attributed to certain earlier scholars.
Ḥāshiyat Ibn ʿĀbidīn Ibn ʿĀbidīn (d. 1252 AH) Radd al-Muḥtār, Kitāb al-Nikāḥ, Bāb al-Maḥārim Mentions the statement from earlier Kūfan sources: “lā taḥrīm li-ʿadam al-nasab.”

And what does the gibberish above means..
This is why it is agreed that only a sensible person can cheat .. even if you are going to use AI you must have a little something upstairs that can prompt effectively.

I requested for an Islamic law that said[b] "A woman can marry illegitimate child"[/b] as insinuated in your original post.

“if a man produces a child through zinā there is no prohibition” because nasab is not assigned

This is the fact you brought out..
How does the above relate..

DeepSight:
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The point is you can keep doing this forever. In fact in this way, you can virtually divorce all four every day (in fact every hour if you please, since you only have to say the words) and you can replenish ad infinitum.

Note that it's because of this ease that there is what is called the misyar marriage which is actually nothing but an arrangement for halal casual sex.

Note also that no limitations applied to the Prophet.

While I agree to your point technically although not morally possible..
Now show me another religion or civic law that limits the number of divorce a person can have