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dederocs:
This type of mentality is what is fueling the extremism, and indoctrination of the vulnerable northern kids and teens. This is the same reason why there are so many killings...I think, the ire should be directed to bokoharam and iswap, who have really done a lot of damage...or to Trump who wants to come ablazing... freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of religious choices, are sacred freedoms, that the world can go to battle for.

Do not infringe on other's rights just to please yourself and your convictions, there are yours, not for everyone. Religious laws and statutes are not part of the freedom charter statutes.

See, you are correct to stress the freedom to live and let live but that is not the reality on ground and the government of Nigeria is in denial! My attitude is to keep shouting about the genocide to attract and sustain international attention while ensuring that one says nothing about Islam that will make them do more genocide going forward as more Christians will get killed. Truth is Sharia does not tolerate any other belief system in any given space. Islam is an either or proposition. Can Muslims have that in Nigeria as presently constituted? That is what they are insisting on . What are we gonna do about that? That is the real issue that Tinubu and the Nigerian government are avoiding.

zoedew:
See, you are correct to stress the freedom to live and let live but that is not the reality on ground and the government of Nigeria is in denial! My attitude is to keep shouting about the genocide to attract and sustain international attention while ensuring that one says nothing about Islam that will make them do more genocide going forward as more Christians will get killed. Truth is Sharia does not tolerate any other belief system in any given space. Islam is an either or proposition. Can Muslims have that in Nigeria as presently constituted? That is what they are insisting on . What are we gonna do about that? That is the real issue that Tinubu and the Nigerian government are avoiding.

If everyone has a twisted cowardly mentality like you, we will still be in the slave era. A selfish mentality...as long as am not affected. We are not doing this for fun, there is a serious problem with extremism in Nigeria, if you can't see this, then am sorry.

dederocs:
If everyone has a twisted cowardly mentality like you, we will still be in the slave era. A selfish mentality...as long as am not affected. We are not doing this for fun, there is a serious problem with extremism in Nigeria, if you can't see this, then am sorry.

I am willing to take your insults if only I can help you understand the issues here. Facts clearly establish genocide against Christians in Nigeria. My take is do not make it worse by inciting Muslims to further violence as the Nigerian government is not inclined to doing anything about it. That is wisdom not cowardice. If you insist it is cowardice then your opinion remains yours.

Discrimination against people's faiths must be stop by all true believers of the Most High God.
Respect to our mothers/women....

temitope27:
but they should force women to wear it, and not mock other people's too for not covering their hair

That's another angle. Forcing people to put on veil or have their head covered is highly barbaric. It's a form of totalitarianism (a government that seeks to control citizens socio-cultural/ individual private life) like the ones practised in Iran and North Korea.

The veil isn't a religion thing but Arabian stuff which they used in covering their faces to prevent dust

TV01:
Please, what is the actual sanction or, the punishment for this mockery? It's not entirely clear from the write-up.
It suggests that if a believer does so, they become an unbeliever - is that right?

Is there a specific penalty for this or, is there a prescribed penalty for unbelief more generally?


Thanks
TV

it is either death by hanging or stoning

Cancer of the world.


Just close your eyes and imagine a world without Islam.

Peace.

zoedew:
I am willing to take your insults if only I can help you understand the issues here. Facts clearly establish genocide against Christians in Nigeria. My take is do not make it worse by inciting Muslims to further violence as the Nigerian government is not inclined to doing anything about it. That is wisdom not cowardice. If you insist it is cowardice then your opinion remains yours.

Do you know the meaning of incitement?

You are the one doing the incitement here...it's clear you are bigoted, just by your thoughts pattern, well you can go live in a religious country like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria is a secular country.

You clearly don't know what you are rambling about.

TV01:
Please, what is the actual sanction or, the punishment for this mockery? It's not entirely clear from the write-up.
It suggests that if a believer does so, they become an unbeliever - is that right?

Is there a specific penalty for this or, is there a prescribed penalty for unbelief more generally?


Thanks
TV

@moderator

Every user that encourages extremism should be banned. While this may not be one of NL stated rules, freedom of speech and expression, including the right to any religion is a human right.

DOUBLEBARREL:
What's the ruling on bandits and terrorists. . I thought lions shouldn't bother about opinions of sheep. Bothering is being petty.
Ps: there's nothing religious about the hijab , the uniform is a mode of dressing among the Arabs, it's like asking the ruling on a Caucasian male wearing agbada... the man wasn't made for the cloth, Rather the cloth was made for the man . If u re abused for something, it's due to their ignorance. It isn't your ignorance. No need to get emotional about ignorance of another due to a choice you made out of ignorance you assume was a religious pious dresscode. The dead worrying about the dead

They need to focus their energy on eradicating the mass extremists indoctrination spreading like wildfire, that will pose a grave danger to their survival in the north, this is more important.

An army of unemployed, untrained, indoctrinated kids...these are fertile ground for extremism and terrorists recruitment.

*Spit*

buenos116:
@moderator

Every user that encourages extremism should be banned. While this may not be one of NL stated rules, freedom of speech and expression, including the right to any religion is a human right.

Seun need to abide by these universally recognised human rights, this is the right way.

dederocs:
Do you know the meaning of incitement?

You are the one doing the incitement here...it's clear you are bigoted, just by your thoughts pattern, well you can go live in a religious country like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria is a secular country.

You clearly don't know what you are rambling about.

I will advise you to go to my page here and read my comments on this matter. It is better do so before responding to comments of people here. Just be careful. I am not a thirty pieces of silver person!

Bonapart:
The veil isn't a religion thing but Arabian stuff which they used in covering their faces to prevent dust

The way Islam is - it is a culture! Your name, dressing and all about you becomes Saudi Arabian. In South-West Nigeria for example Muslims no longer, increasingly noted, prostrate to greet an Elder or greet each other except by crouching which is the Hausa/Fulani way of greeting.

zoedew:
I will advise you to go to my page here and read my comments on this matter. It is better do so before responding to comments of people here. Just be careful. I am not a thirty pieces of silver person!

If you don't have anything better or reasonable to say, move on. People are dying because of religious extremism, bokoharam etc, and you are talking about killing people for expression, and you are scared cos of that. Just go sleep...cover your head in your room and sleep. I don't indulge with your kind.

Amoto94:
Ruling on the one who mocks a Muslim woman wearing the proper Islamic Hijab (veil)

Q 2: What is the ruling on someone who mocks a Muslim woman wearing the proper Islamic Hijab (veil) or describes her as being a ghost or a moving tent and other such insulting words?

A: Anyone who mocks a Muslim man or woman for adhering to the Shariah (Islamic law) is a Kafir (disbeliever).

This is regardless of whether they are making fun of a Muslim woman wearing the proper Islamic Hijab or any other matter of the Shari…ah.

…Abdullah ibn …Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) narrated:

During the campaign of Tabuk a man said in an assembly, …I have never seen anyone like these Qur‘an readers of ours. They have the biggest bellies, the most lying tongues and they are the most cowardly when encountering the enemy.‘

Another man said, …You are lying, and you are a hypocrite. I will most certainly tell the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) [what you have said].‘ The news was reported to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), then the Qur‘an was revealed (concerning this incident).

…Abdullah ibn …Umar said, …I saw him (that man) hanging onto the saddle of the she-camel of the Messenger of Allah, (peace be upon him), stumbling over the stones while saying, …O Messenger of Allah, we were just jesting and playing.‘

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was reciting the Qur‘anic Ayah (verse): Was it at Allah (Exalted and Sublime), and His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger (peace be upon him) that you were mocking? Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimun (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals.)

Thus, ridiculing the believers is equated with ridiculing Allah, His Signs and His Messenger.

May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and Companions!

Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta‘

Member Member Committee Deputy Chairman Chairman
`Abdullah ibn Qa`ud `Abdullah ibn Ghudayyan `Abdul-Razzaq `Afify `Abdul-`Aziz ibn `Abdullah ibn Baz

Fatwas > Miscellaneous Fatwas (Safar) > Mocking Hijab / The second question of Fatwa no. 4127

So in short, that ridiculing man was killed abi?

Kafir, kafir, kafir . What is the ruling for any one declared a kafir ?

DOUBLEBARREL:
What's the ruling on bandits and terrorists. . I thought lions shouldn't bother about opinions of sheep. Bothering is being petty.
Ps: there's nothing religious about the hijab , the uniform is a mode of dressing among the Arabs, it's like asking the ruling on a Caucasian male wearing agbada... the man wasn't made for the cloth, Rather the cloth was made for the man . If u re abused for something, it's due to their ignorance. It isn't your ignorance. No need to get emotional about ignorance of another due to a choice you made out of ignorance you assume was a religious pious dresscode. The dead worrying about the dead

Its not religious but it's also the dress code of Nuns and even Mary, mother of Jesus.

Ruling for wearing nothing under hijab?
Going to sexz on hijab

buenos116:
@moderator

Every user that encourages extremism should be banned. While this may not be one of NL stated rules, freedom of speech and expression, including the right to any religion is a human right.

dederocs:
Penalty for expression?

In this our world, there is freedom of speech, fully supported by the UN charter and Nigerian constitution...freedom of speech, freedom of expression. stop spreading extremism, the world is not about you and everyone is not like you, there are hundreds of religions out there. Nairaland do remove posts that encourages extremism, remember the story of Deborah.

Thank you for your responses. I am fully aware of - and in agreement with - the points made in the above post.

My point was to clarify and engage, hopefully initiating a proper a discussion and shed light. It would be wrong of me to assume anything about the OPs post.

After clarifying whether mockery had a unique punishment, other than making a believer an unbeliever, and ascertaining what the penalty for being an unbeliever was, I wanted to ask about Mr, Johnson.

Yes, Mr. Boris Johnson, the former leader of the UK Conservative party and erstwhile PM of GB. Mr. Johnson, whom, whilst defending a woman's right to wear the burqa\hijab\niqab etc. stated he felt it made them look like bank robbers or "letter boxes". Additionally what the response to the trend of banning of burqas in several European countries meant in terms of any fatwa.

But granted, and appreciated, you took this quite seriously and understandably so. Henceforth, I'll be more considered with my tongue-in-cheek approach.

enemyofprogress:
it is either death by hanging or stoning

Thanks for clarifying.


TV

Kukutente23:
So what does the ruling say should be done to the person na
It seems you guys are now even afraid to spell out your rulings in plain English
Tell us so we can learn and be guided accordingly 🤔

@Amoto94, lukgaf, Lukuluku69, AntiChristian pls help to clarify for our audience to be properly guided in this matter. The Op is not clear

In a country using the Shari'a law fully a disbeliever who leaves Islam is told to change his/her stance! And killed if he doesn't by Islamic law court! You can be a Christian in there. But as Muslim you can't change. That's the law! Just like Yahweh made for the Israelites in your Bible! That's even worse!

Someone might try to lead you to serve other gods—it might be your brother, your son or daughter, the wife you love, or a close friend. The person might say, “Let’s go and worship other gods.” (These are gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the people who live around you, either nearby or far away, from one end of the land to the other.) Do not give in to such people. Do not listen or feel sorry for them, and do not let them go free or protect them. You must put them to death. You must be the first one to start to kill them, and then everyone else must join in. You must throw stones at them until they die, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, where you were slaves. Then everyone in Israel will hear about this and be afraid, and no one among you will ever do such an evil thing again. Deuteronomy 13: 6-11

The above Deuteronomy verse continues with a command to destroy cities just like Boko Haram and Israel is doing! Change your name to lieMasterz!

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)[/size]

BangaRice
AMI3

Same God una still worship today o!

AntiChristian:
In a country using the Shari'a law fully a disbeliever who leaves Islam is told to change his/her stance! And killed if he doesn't by Islamic law court! You can be a Christian in there. But as Muslim you can't change. That's the law! Just like Yahweh made for the Israelites in your Bible! That's even worse!

Someone might try to lead you to serve other gods—it might be your brother, your son or daughter, the wife you love, or a close friend. The person might say, “Let’s go and worship other gods.” (These are gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the people who live around you, either nearby or far away, from one end of the land to the other.) Do not give in to such people. Do not listen or feel sorry for them, and do not let them go free or protect them. You must put them to death. You must be the first one to start to kill them, and then everyone else must join in. You must throw stones at them until they die, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, where you were slaves. Then everyone in Israel will hear about this and be afraid, and no one among you will ever do such an evil thing again. Deuteronomy 13: 6-11

The above Deuteronomy verse continues with a command to destroy cities just like Boko Haram and Israel is doing! Change your name to lieMasterz!

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)[/size]

BangaRice
AMI3

Same God una still worship today o!

Kukutente23 do you need interpretation?

@AntiChristian Shukran

Lukuluku69:
do you need interpretation?

@AntiChristian Shukran

I thank you Antichrist for your response

However, something bothers me about the apostasy law you quoted and Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine says everyone was born a Muslim regardless of the religion of your parents not so? If so, does it mean all Christians have basically apostatized and thus have a standing death sentence on their heads as far as Islamic law is concerned?
Does same hold for athiests and practitioners of other religions?

AntiChristian:
In a country using the Shari'a law fully a disbeliever who leaves Islam is told to change his/her stance! And killed if he doesn't by Islamic law court! You can be a Christian in there. But as Muslim you can't change. That's the law! Just like Yahweh made for the Israelites in your Bible! That's even worse!

Someone might try to lead you to serve other gods—it might be your brother, your son or daughter, the wife you love, or a close friend. The person might say, “Let’s go and worship other gods.” (These are gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the people who live around you, either nearby or far away, from one end of the land to the other.) Do not give in to such people. Do not listen or feel sorry for them, and do not let them go free or protect them. You must put them to death. You must be the first one to start to kill them, and then everyone else must join in. You must throw stones at them until they die, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, where you were slaves. Then everyone in Israel will hear about this and be afraid, and no one among you will ever do such an evil thing again. Deuteronomy 13: 6-11

The above Deuteronomy verse continues with a command to destroy cities just like Boko Haram and Israel is doing! Change your name to lieMasterz!

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)[/size]

BangaRice
AMI3

Same God una still worship today o!

It is concerning that you seek validation for Islamic laws from the Bible? Why? The Bible does not recognize Islam in the first place while Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism.
Secondly, your reference to apostasy laws of the Old Testament, raises the question of whether Islam is an offshoot of the Old Testament. If so, why do you call your God Allah instead of Yahweh the given name of the Jewish God? Does this not imply a confusion on your side? If no, then you should stick to the apologia you are writing for your religion strictly on its merit without looking to involve the Bible. Everything from the bible can be explained fully

Kukutente23:
It is concerning that you seek validation for Islamic laws from the Bible? Why? The Bible does not recognize Islam in the first place while Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism.
Secondly, your reference to apostasy laws of the Old Testament, raises the question of whether Islam is an offshoot of the Old Testament. If so, why do you call your God Allah instead of Yahweh the given name of the Jewish God? Does this not imply a confusion on your side? If no, then you should stick to the apologia you are writing for your religion strictly on its merit without looking to involve the Bible. Everything from the bible can be explained fully

Not a muslim...but the old testament name for God was also EL, Elijah, Elisha, Eli, SamuEL, EmmanuEL, etc etc

Religion has no dress code but just a culture of arab

Ruling about everything except kpaing none Muslims,... My problem is, even if everyone becomes Muslim, the killings won't stop , take a look at Muslim dominated countries or Northern Nigeria where Muslims dominate killings of Muslims and none Muslims is on the rise by day, so what exactly does they want?

Kukutente23:
It is concerning that you seek validation for Islamic laws from the Bible? Why? The Bible does not recognize Islam in the first place while Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism.
Secondly, your reference to apostasy laws of the Old Testament, raises the question of whether Islam is an offshoot of the Old Testament. If so, why do you call your God Allah instead of Yahweh the given name of the Jewish God? Does this not imply a confusion on your side? If no, then you should stick to the apologia you are writing for your religion strictly on its merit without looking to involve the Bible. Everything from the bible can be explained fully

This is not seeking validation at all. It is looking for what is worse from your Bible. At least na your God sanction such laws for the Israelites the people he dearly love!

We believe Islam is what the Israelites practised back then and it was the Islam that developed to what is available today!

Can you now answer the questions now or are you afraid of your Bible verses? Hope the God that gave those laws is still the one you worship today?

Kukutente23:
I thank you Antichrist for your response

However, something bothers me about the apostasy law you quoted and Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine says everyone was born a Muslim regardless of the religion of your parents not so? If so, does it mean all Christians have basically apostatized and thus have a standing death sentence on their heads as far as Islamic law is concerned?
Does same hold for athiests and practitioners of other religions?

That hadiths talks about the natural human disposition of an homo sapiens to worship one God not three! This is inbuilt!

And I said it when I answered you last time! Christians are free in Saudi Arabia for example as long a they are law abiding! But Muslims can't change to Christians. Islam is the state law! You can't oppose the state law!

In the Prophet's time he did lived with Jews and Christians even under Islamic law! There's no place for polytheism at all.