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bidexiii:
[/b]CORRECTION: Gen. Uba, Brigade Commander of Damboa has been comfirmed killed by ISWAP terrorists[b]

Before his unfortunate capture, the Brigade Commander made this video we shared stating that he was okay. Unfortunately, after several hours, lost orientation within the forest.

The troops, both ground and air made several efforts to rescue the Commander who told them he was on his way to return to his base. He was unfortunately re-captured by the terrorists after viral report of his abduction went viral.

@DHQNigeria
@HQNigerianArmy

Sources" @Zagazola

Faithful007:
Maybe you cannot understand details.

So let me break it down for you. Your officer cadre is class based, top heavy and bottom light. That's why you can afford to have o-7 officers in the battlefield cause they're numerous and not precious to the military. They're just there by years in service and not by being the best of the best.

A General officer with 30 men on routine patrol is not giving any morale boost to the rest of the hundreds in the brigade that are not with him. A standard military system will have hundreds of junior field and company grade officers at their posts doing the morale boost.

bidexiii:
[/b]CORRECTION: Gen. Uba, Brigade Commander of Damboa has been comfirmed killed by ISWAP terrorists[b]

Before his unfortunate capture, the Brigade Commander made this video we shared stating that he was okay. Unfortunately, after several hours, lost orientation within the forest.

The troops, both ground and air made several efforts to rescue the Commander who told them he was on his way to return to his base. He was unfortunately re-captured by the terrorists after viral report of his abduction went viral.

@DHQNigeria
@HQNigerianArmy

Sources" @Zagazola

bidexiii:
The Islamic State claims that ISWAP captured and executed Brigadier General Uwa Uba, commander of the 25th Brigade, on Saturday after he fled an ambush in Wajiroko #Nigeria

Freshandfitpod:
they denied it last week and here we have it

bidexiii:
[/b]CORRECTION: Gen. Uba, Brigade Commander of Damboa has been comfirmed killed by ISWAP terrorists[b]

Before his unfortunate capture, the Brigade Commander made this video we shared stating that he was okay. Unfortunately, after several hours, lost orientation within the forest.

The troops, both ground and air made several efforts to rescue the Commander who told them he was on his way to return to his base. He was unfortunately re-captured by the terrorists after viral report of his abduction went viral.

@DHQNigeria
@HQNigerianArmy

Sources" @Zagazola

VonSmallhausen:
This is sad and humiliating for the entire Country. If anyone was in doubt that we are in a no holds barred fight with insecurity, I hope this most recent incident will dispel their doubts!! May the brave General's soul rest in peace.

QuietMynd:
A [/b]whole brigadier was embarrassed by teen terrorist[b]
What an embarrassment for the army and the country as a whole.
The way the army rush out to tag news media report fake, only for them to be proven right.
Now tell me why will the majority of the ignorant population believe army report concerning this fight against these outlaws.
The army re eager to call any report fake than to protect its human asset.
Isn't this a failure on the army, thesame army that re always arrogant in the face of civilian. Always claiming one useless superiority, they spend more time boosting their ego than getting the job done.
We won't have mind the ego and superiority thing if the enemy re fearful of them like they want the civilian to be towards them but NO na one useless superiority they go dey claim.
Superiority ontop nothing.
All institutions feels garbage, they re all weak nd no intention to fix it, they prefer it like that and any intention to fix it is always resisted, I have never seem such a thing in any serious country.

Odunayaw:
Like I said, you pulled this out from thin air.

A brigadier is a field rank. The rest of what you're saying is water under the bridge

Odunayaw:
In essence, your arguments is built on... air?

Anyway, if you removed the US tinted goggles you'd have noted that inthe Royal Army (UK) where we get our heritage, Brigadiers is field rank

What you think about it is water under bridge

Faithful007:
How so? Are you now arguing for arguments sake?

"I'm not sure Nigerian army has up to 18k officers or even half of that. Data on the internet says 5000-6000. That is abysmally small for a military of 180k. The number of officers is not even up to 4%. Yet somehow the general officers number into hundreds."

This is data on the internet. NDA websites states that 349 army cadets were commissioned in 2023. Lets even assume that this was the number for 35 years. You and I know it would even be less in earlier years. 349 *35 will put the number of officers at 12215 assuming everyone served up to 35 years which is not even possible cause you even have 10 yrs and 15 yrs cadets.

12215 which is by far a long shot, is still very low for a 180k army. Thats way below 10 percent.

However, your number of generals somehow is high.

https://www.thecable.ng/full-list-army-promotes-108-generals/

You promoted a whole 108 generals. Thats 108 generals excluding those already in rank. Nigerian army has high number of senior ranks and a low number of officers. That's not a claim. Its a fact that the internet can easily prove.

Faithful007:
Lol. I knew you would say this. British Army always had Brigadier Generals. It was removed briefly after world war 1. The rank brigadier came about as a field appointment for colonels. Its wasn't a rank but an appointment to command a brigade.

The British army reinstated the rank as Brigadier prior to joining NATO. They didn't bring back the General appendage to it, but operationally it's still the same Brigadier General they had during WW1. All NATO militaries are organized identically in rank and command. A brigadier is an OF-6 NATO general officer rank which is equivalent to an O-7 rank in the US. All NATO militaries have equivalent rank.

Btw if the Nigerian Army really thought the Brigadier was a field rank operationally, who then added General to it? You're just confusing yourself

Odunayaw:
Claim; Nigeria Army doesn't have 18k officers or half of that"

Source; Uhh," data on the internet" (aka AI and unverified info) and this skewed maths

Actual figures cited by then COAS Buratai in 2016 was 6,000 officers and soldiers 96,000. with 'Order of Battle 2010' plan called for this to grow to 18,966 officers and about 190,000 soldiers.

I know there are more generals bbbecause I saw a news blog

Doesn't grasp how retirements especially at the appointment of new service chiefs affect the top brass

Look, your attempt at passing off as an expert is very amusing

QuietMynd:
A whole brigadier was embarrassed by teen terrorist.
What an embarrassment for the army and the country as a whole.
The way the army rush out to tag news media report fake, only for them to be proven right.
Now tell me why will the majority of the ignorant population believe army report concerning this fight against these outlaws.
The army re eager to call any report fake than to protect its human asset.
Isn't this a failure on the army, thesame army that re always arrogant in the face of civilian. Always claiming one useless superiority, they spend more time boosting their ego than getting the job done.
We won't have mind the ego and superiority thing if the enemy re fearful of them like they want the civilian to be towards them but NO na one useless superiority they go dey claim.
Superiority ontop nothing.
All institutions feels garbage, they re all weak nd no intention to fix it, they prefer it like that and any intention to fix it is always resisted, I have never seem such a thing in any serious country.

QuietMynd:
A whole brigadier was embarrassed by teen terrorist.
What an embarrassment for the army and the country as a whole.
The way the army rush out to tag news media report fake, only for them to be proven right.
Now tell me why will the majority of the ignorant population believe army report concerning this fight against these outlaws.
The army re eager to call any report fake than to protect its human asset.
Isn't this a failure on the army, thesame army that re always arrogant in the face of civilian. Always claiming one useless superiority, they spend more time boosting their ego than getting the job done.
We won't have mind the ego and superiority thing if the enemy re fearful of them like they want the civilian to be towards them but NO na one useless superiority they go dey claim.
Superiority ontop nothing.
All institutions feels garbage, they re all weak nd no intention to fix it, they prefer it like that and any intention to fix it is always resisted, I have never seem such a thing in any serious country.

Odunayaw:
Wrote a lot, said nothing.

Odunayaw:
I know there are more generals bbbecause I saw a news blog

Faithful007:
Lol. You're a character indeed . Now you've ended up supporting my points. You have unknowingly collaborated my first statement that your officer cadre count is generally low

6000/96000 is 6.25 percent which is way too low. Standard militaries around the world have officer ranks around 15-20 percent. 15 percent is even rare.

You've also collaborated my second statement that you run the officer cadre as a class system where people get promoted mostly based off service year rather than being the best. That's why you have to retire a lot of generals when a new O-9 chief emerges, cause almost everyone in that same service year or above is a major-general. That's why you promote a lot of generals too. This is not how a standard military system should work. This kind of system will make yo have too many senior officers than required and fewer junior officers than required.

Read to understand my man. Always read to understand. Don't argue too quickly. And btw I don't think I've ever looked at AI before writing anything military related here, you may not believe it but its true. Don't assume that everyone on the internet is cosplaying knowledge.

Faithful007:
https://x.com/HQNigerianArmy/status/1870058521892467137?s=20

This must be the fake Nigeria Army X account

The British army reinstated the rank as Brigadier prior to joining NATO. They didn't bring back the General appendage to it, but operationally it's still the same Brigadier General they had during WW1. All NATO militaries are organized identically in rank and command. A brigadier is an OF-6 NATO general officer rank which is equivalent to an O-7 rank in the US. All NATO militaries have equivalent rank.[/quote
[quote author=Faithful007 post=137515077]You didn't explain why the Nigerian Army rank is called Brigiader-General

Who added the General there?

Odunayaw:
You're still clutching 6000/96000 even after I debuked that was an old figure?!

Where is that boldness you had with your "i'm not sure Nigeria army has up to half of 18k officers"? 😂

Silly pride will make you not admit you goofed

Next, you said absolutely nothing about class system. That's a bold faced lie.

You're yet to prove there are more senior officers than necessary

Like I said, you're amusing me as you keep doubling down 😂

Faithful007:
Ok. Chief, going to let this argument rest now, cos its getting too sentimental on both sides. I already gave you enough reason. You're just unwilling to agree. How can the military be admitting 340 cadets and then promoting 108 to general ranks and you still insist that the structure is normal.

I have given you figures from the internet, Commision figures from the NDA, Promotional lists all pointing to the fact that Nigerian army officer structure is less of a pyramid and more of a rectangle.

And here looks like an ex-Air Force officer has pointed it out before: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/07/nigeria-has-too-many-army-generals-ex-air-force-spokesman-shehu/

This is someone in the system saying that in 2023 there were 133 Major-generals in the Army.

bidexiii:
I knew something fishy was wrong about the whole report, even this report about communicating with the Commander before he was lost and captured is still fabricated.

What the Nigerian Army communicated after the ambush raises alot of questions following ISWAP's evidence that they had captured Brigadier General Yu Uba. The NA command needs to restrategize,

Stormtrooper11:
NA having comms at an active area of operations through WhatsApp is soo wild. Like who does that?