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Dtruthspeaker:
Since you real eyes that you need indispensable evidence, then therefore is it not reasonable to believe He Who Came Down from heaven and Who has testified of it even before He died and came back and went back up in the presence of witnesses?

When did this happen...who is the person in question and did he bring any form of evidence like videos or something?. .

slipperyanus07:
Humans never dies we only leave the outer carcass (body) ur consciousness is the real you it never dies it will always exist but in another dimension (spirit world)

So we become spirits, literally? Man this thing is really making me think a lot.

Alusiizizi:
No satisfactory explanation of consciousness has yet been presented, indeed, the very definition of the word is hazy at best. Personally, I prefer Dr. Roger Penroses attempt at its description. For those who don't know, Dr. Penrose is a notable theoretical Physics and a Nobel laureate(2023 prize for his theory of trapped surfaces beyond the event horizon of a black hole, thus proving that, given the current understanding of General Relativity, a singularity must form at its center). Basically, his thesis centers around the theory of computation and the Godel incompleteness theorem, which basically asserts that all mathematical systems contains axioms that cannot be proven from within aforementioned mathematical system. What this essentially implies for computation machines, whether we are talking hard code software or even the most advanced A.I, is that the product of any computing machine must directly be correlated to an input, i.e. computing machines cannot create information that was not already fed into it.

Which brings us to the problem of humans. It is a matter of fact that humans routinely create new information, and this is where Penroses theses come to play: Human minds do not obey the Godel incompleteness theorem because the source of human consciousness is not a classical system but a quantum mechanical one, in other words, human minds are actually quantum computers and not classical computers.

Now, what does all this have to do with the final destination of human consciousness? Well, we know that something called "entanglement" is the very center of all quantum processes, which means that human minds, and therefore consciousness, is entangled with the rest of the universe, so perhaps, when a human dies, his body might die but his consciousness could very well linger on.

But can they influence anything on this realm though?

SkengRay:
This is Pure Ignorance my Guy. Nobody can connect you. You can't help anyone to connect it has directly unlike the Fraudulent Jesus you worship. Spirits and Ghosts? Nah Amigo This is Pure Psychodynamic Psychology it has nothing to do with ghost.

First of all i am not a worshiper of Jesus and secondly if you don't help them to connect how are they going to connect what they have no idea about?

Well if you don't know you are sounding like the worshipers of Jesus that you are mocking because they also claim that this Jesus is close to anyone and can speak to them directly so there's nothing new in this your idea in fact the worshipers of Jesus often misconstrue Jesus' statement claiming he is talking about something inside them that will talk to them! Luke 17:21

Alusiizizi:
At the end of the day, it's all physics. That being said, that doesn't mean that such a phenomenon as consciousness is subsumed in physics as we understand, or even physics that we could possibly understand. Your distinction of an "entirely non physical dimension" may very well lie in the realm of physics that we do not understand.

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Fair enough.

But do you believe in the spiritual. The entirely non physical?

chimex38:
Do you know who might have written the book of Job?
especially the first few chapters?.

Job himself?

Moses did not speak any of the Bible languages. Those are languages that appeared centuries after him. Most of the Bible are written by unknown authors and they call it a holy book

lawani:
Moses did not speak any of the Bible languages. Those are languages that appeared centuries after him. Most of the Bible are written by unknown authors and they call it a holy book.

Your ifá can answer all questions!

MaxInDHouse:
Your ifá can answer all questions!

Yes anything that was previously known or presently known to any human being can be unearthed using ifa

lawani:
Yes anything that was previously known or presently known to any human being can be unearthed using ifa.

No wahala!

Mattswaggz:
When did this happen...who is the person in question and did he bring any form of evidence like videos or something?. .

Ain't you heard about a certain Person Who came down from heaven to be born as by a Virgin and was murdered and yet He got out from death and lived again and went back to heaven in the presence of witnesses? Don't you know Who that is?

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MaxInDHouse:
First of all i am not a worshiper of Jesus and secondly if you don't help them to connect how are they going to connect what they have no idea about?

Well if you don't know you are sounding like the worshipers of Jesus that you are mocking because they also claim that this Jesus is close to anyone and can speak to them directly so there's nothing new in this your idea in fact the worshipers of Jesus often misconstrue Jesus' statement claiming he is talking about something inside them that will talk to them! Luke 17:21

Jehovah Witness eh? I'm not mocking Jesus Christ but I now his Story was Quite Altered in a certain way as you know Jesus didn't create Christianity it was built around him. I don't agree that esus is the Way to God I believe he was trying to connect us to God through the Unconscious mind this is where we can Connect to God. I believe everyone and everything is connected to God and we are all connected to one another -Collective Unconsciousness Like the verse you gave there the Kingdom of God is within you. And another verse is John 10:34 where Jesus said we are all Gods here he's trying to tell us that we all have a Divine Spark within all us, you are all connected to God from within.God uses the unconscious to Guide Us through Dreams, intuition, spiritual conviction 2nd Question connecting to the Unconscious is very Hard tbh you have to let your Ego die and let go of Material world through series of Isolation. So I don't worship Jesus nor make fun of Jesus

SkengRay:
J Jehovah Witness eh? I'm not mocking Jesus Christ but I now his Story was Quite Altered in a certain way as you know Jesus didn't create Christianity it was built around him. I don't agree that esus is the Way to God I believe he was trying to connect us to God through the Unconscious mind this is where we can Connect to God. I believe everyone and everything is connected to God and we are all connected to one another -Collective Unconsciousness Like the verse you gave there the Kingdom of God is within you. And another verse is John 10:34 where Jesus said we are all Gods here he's trying to tell us that we all have a Divine Spark within all us, you are all connected to God from within.God uses the unconscious to Guide Us through Dreams, intuition, spiritual conviction 2nd Question connecting to the Unconscious is very Hard tbh you have to let your Ego die and let go of Material world through series of Isolation. So I don't worship Jesus nor make fun of Jesus

1)What is the meaning of "unconscious"?

2)if the kingdom of God is within us, explain Daniel 2:44.

SkengRay:
I don't agree that esus is the Way to God

People often contradict themselves without knowing it!

We are talking about how to connect God and you said Jesus can TEACH you how to do so yet you don't believe he is the way to God.

All you're just trying to avoid is calling yourself a Christian but my guy your idea really sounds the same like those Churchians claiming Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
People often contradict themselves without knowing it!

We are talking about how to connect God and you said Jesus can TEACH you how to do so yet you don't believe he is the way to God.

All you're just trying to avoid is calling yourself a Christian but my guy your idea really sounds the same like those Churchians claiming Christians!

Reason with Clarity Son. He's trying to connect us directly not go through him. You kapish? I'm not worshipping Jesus or believing he's resurrection he's has human as any of us.

SkengRay:
Reason with Clarity Son. He's trying to connect us directly not go through him. You kapish? I'm not worshipping Jesus or believing he's resurrection he's has human as any of us.

So how come you believe part of what is written about a character and rejecting other parts yet you want me to take you seriously?
It's either you believe what the books say about this character completely or you reject it if you want someone like me to reason with you!🙂

DeepSight:
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Fair enough.

But do you believe in the spiritual. The entirely non physical?

Physics that is not subsumed in known physics(example: solution to blackhole singulariity, Quantum Gravity, Pre Big Bang Physics, Non-locality of quantum phenomena, e.t.c). From this list, some possibly lie in the realm of human understanding(i.e. blackhole singulariity, Quantum Gravity), but others, doubtful, and that brings me to the answer to your question. Phenomena that may lie outside of the capacity of human understanding. For example, take the question of Pre Big Bang physics(physics before the big bang). Supposed that we managed to answer that question, then we are immediately confronted with another one** How did the Pre-Big Bang epoch start and why.

Basically, I believe that some questions are simply un-solvable, and yet, these questions are on possible phenomena that have very real effects on our real physical world. You can slap on any label that you want on such incomprehensible physics, spiritual, supernatural, paranormal, e.t.c. That would not change the fact that these kinds of influences are real, as well as incomprehensible.

So, in summary, I do believe in the spiritual. The only objection is that I do not believe that it is entirely "non-physical", but in this realm and considering its incomprehensible nature, such distinctions are absolutely meaningless.

Host78:
but you don't remember yours.

Yet you believed theirs.

I don't have to. People have different abilities.
If you as a 3-year old say all things about my grandpa that nobody knows I'd also believe you

Dtruthspeaker:
Ain't you heard about a certain Person Who came down from heaven to be born as by a Virgin and was murdered and yet He got out from death and lived again and went back to heaven in the presence of witnesses? Don't you know Who that is?

I've also heard about someone who said he was sent by the Lord in heaven and his spiritual book fell from heaven as well.... I've also heard about someone who said there is no such thing as "the creator" and many others.......so how does your question answer mine and where was the evidence the person came with to substantiate his claim and automatically null the others ones I've heard?. .

MaxInDHouse:
I never said it wasn't written by men but they were INSPIRED God not some funny dreams!

And we are agreed that anything man touches becomes corrupted and also influenced by their biases - hence you have a million versions

Maitunbi:
But can they influence anything on this realm though?

Whether or not they can influence anything on this realm? It depends on the meaning of "influence". Let me be a bit specific:

You wake up in the morning, prepare, get on your way to work. Along the way, you see a car accident. To you, an idealized disconnected observer, this looks like nothing more than an accident, nothing involving what you did from the moment that you woke up that morning up until the point when that accident occurred had any influence whatsoever in the events that led to the accident.

You might judge that your actions had no influence in any way on that accident, but you would be wrong. You, your consciousness and therefore your actions are impossibly entangled with everything in the universe, transcending space-time itself and therefore you must have had a connection to that accident. To view yourself as a disconnected observer is incorrect, you are just one(very small) aspect of a large wave-function.

So, to answer your question, can they influence anything in this realm? The answer is an unqualified yes.

MaxInDHouse:
So how come you believe part of what is written about a character and rejecting other parts yet you want me to take you seriously?
It's either you believe what the books say about this character completely or you reject it if you want someone like me to reason with you!🙂

believe completely? Nah I don't follow blindly, I try to find depth and Meditate to see the truth in the midst of the illusions I don't care about you whether you take me serious or not if you want to find the answer yourself you can. Mathew 7:7.

josielewa:
you probabyly did not finish reading that article to the end...read this, i went online to see if your screenshot is facts, but alas,

Funny guy. You posted a screenshot that totally supports what I said. Were you hoping I wouldn't read it?
Cases abound. You only hear the ones when it was a notable figure. Right in my family this small boy gave clear details of how he drowned in Boston. He was terrified of the beach, pools, and such. You won't hear about it because he was an ordinary person in Boston. Also, the memory disappears as they get older. If it were made-up wouldn't they add more details as they get older?

DiarisGodoo:
And we are agreed that anything man touches becomes corrupted and also influenced by their biases - hence you have a million versions

Is it the INSPIRED writers that corrupted the Bible or TRANSLATORS?

Well there are many schools of thought around the world before God decided to introduce Himself through the Bible so if you feel the Bible is not complete that means you don't believe in the Bible God at all.

Meanwhile God has arranged a version that is guided by His holy spirit therefore the purpose for which He inspired writers to pen down His words has been achieved among those using it so when others failed to understand God's word it's not His fault.

chimex38:
The other guy has answered you, it's mainly environmental influence.
Let me add:

If Messi or Ronaldo was born pre-soccer era in Argentina or Portugal.
They will never have been passionate about football.

If the wright brothers haven't invented the first Plane ✈,
Nobody will be shouting passion to be a Pilot, passion to be an aeronautic Engineer, etc.
As a rhetorical question to your question,why don't these professions influence everybody?
Or without Soccer existence and media influence today, Messi would end up in a different field of life.

You are comparing apples and oranges. There have always been gays - they were not invented like soccer or planes. A tiny subsection of society has always been attracted to same sex

SkengRay:
believe completely? Nah I don't follow blindly, I try to find depth and Meditate to see the truth in the midst of the illusions I don't care about you whether you take me serious or not if you want to find the answer yourself you can. Mathew 7:7.

If you don't believe the Bible completely it's better you continue with your fans!

Mattswaggz:
I've also heard about someone who said he was sent by the Lord in heaven and his spiritual book fell from heaven as well.... I've also heard about someone who said there is no such thing as "the creator" and many others.......so how does your question answer mine and where was the evidence the person came with to substantiate his claim and automatically null the others ones I've heard?. .

Then you have a lot of hearings to sort out. And neither is it my place to sort out and nullify all your hearings.

What I nullify and challenge is people's beliefs.

So when you have sorted out your hearings and chosen a belief, then you can come challenge me

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't believe the Bible completely it's better you continue with your fans!

Yo! What makes you JW different with your different teachings too muchacho?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it the INSPIRED writers that corrupted the Bible or TRANSLATORS?

Well there are many schools of thought around the world before God decided to introduce Himself through the Bible so if you feel the Bible is not complete that means you don't believe in the Bible God at all.

Meanwhile God has arranged a version that is guided by His holy spirit therefore the purpose for which He inspired writers to pen down His words has been achieved among those using it so when others failed to understand God's word it's not His fault.

So the "inspired writers" were not human? Did you read my quotation of 1 Corinthians 13:12?

SkengRay:
Yo! What makes you JW different with your different teachings too muchacho?

Good question!

We are fulfilling the prophecy recorded in Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated in Micah 4:1-3

That's the reason why God introduced Himself achieved by Jehovah's Witnesses globally so let any other God present His or Her evidence if they truly exist! Isaiah 43:10

DiarisGodoo:
So the "inspired writers" were not human? Did you read my quotation of 1 Corinthians 13:12?

Paul said the inspired expressions is yet to complete as his own letters are part of the books not the complete message so until the message is complete what they are writing is in parts.

That's the practical application of what you cited!

DiarisGodoo:
I don't have to. People have different abilities.
If you as a 3-year old say all things about my grandpa that nobody knows I'd also believe you

I understand you.

There are people who also spoke to different beings or spoke about different things But we don't believe everyone of them.

It's important we separate and know what we believe from what is fact.

Truthseeker10:
So death and hell is the same thing?

Hell is a place of death, the real death is hell.