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Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that a God does not exist? If yes, is there a proof that a God does not exist?

One does not need to prove that what does not exist does not exist.

The burden of proof is on those who claim gods exist, and is basic logic.

budaatum:
One does not need to prove that what does not exist does not exist.

The burden of proof is on those who claim gods exist, and is basic logic.

Ok....so you don't agree that God does not exist, you just doubt that he exist?

Truthseeker10:
Ok....so you don't agree that God does not exist, you just doubt that he exist?

I don't "just doubt" that gods do not exist, Truth.

I know gods do not exist.

budaatum:
I don't "just doubt" that gods do not exist, Truth.

I know gods do not exist.

Ok...please prove the statement in bold.

Truthseeker10:
Ok...please prove the statement in bold.

You are again asking me to prove a thing that does not exist does not exist.

There is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of any god, so I don't see why i should prove that for you when you can go seek evidence either ways for yourself.

I'm after all not asking you to know what I know when you haven't bothered to seek the knowledge that I have, and nor is it my intention to make you stop believing in your god.

Do note that this discussion, or my position at least, is based solely on the understanding of a text that clearly does exist.

Think of it as a discussion of the understanding of a story. The existence of the tortoise in Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart is not relevant to understanding the moral of the story.

budaatum:
You are again asking me to prove a thing that does not exist does not exist.

There is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of any god, so I don't see why i should prove that for you when you can go seek evidence either ways for yourself.

I'm after all not asking you to know what I know when you haven't bothered to seek the knowledge that I have, and nor is it my intention to make you stop believing in your god.

Do note that this discussion, or my position at least, is based solely on the understanding of a text that clearly does exist.

Think of it as a discussion of the understanding of a story. The existence of the tortoise in Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart is not relevant to understanding the moral of the story.

But you claim to "know that gods do not exist". Are you saying that meta ai is lying by saying that you should prove your claim?

Truthseeker10:
But you claim to "know that gods do not exist". Are you saying that meta ai is lying by saying that you should prove your claim?

I know.

You may ask me to educate you in what I know, but the burden of proof of a non-existing entity is on those who claim it exists.

You after all would not ask me to prove that Zeus and the Spaghetti Monster do not exist, or would you?

That said, before you were brought the Bible, Yahweh did not exist in your land, and has only existed in your land when it was introduced to you, and your gods have since been abandoned and been replaced by Yahweh.

Why is that? Did your gods before Yahweh exist?

budaatum:
I know.

You may ask me to educate you in what I know, but the burden of proof of a non-existing entity is on those who claim it exists.

You after all would not ask me to prove that Zeus and the Spaghetti Monster do not exist, or would you?

That said, before you were brought the Bible, Yahweh did not exist in your land, and has only existed in your land when it was introduced to you, and your gods have since been abandoned and been replaced by Yahweh.

Why is that? Did your gods before Yahweh exist?

So you're saying that meta ai lied or was wrong when it said you should prove that you "know that gods do not exist"?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that meta ai lied or was wrong when it said you should prove that you "know that gods do not exist"?

No, i am not saying anything about Meta.

I am saying I don't need to prove to you that a thing that does not exist does not exist because you have sufficient information yourself to know if your god exists or not.

Below is Meta on the subject. I've also added from Chatgpt so it can't be said we are consulting one AI alone.

You don't merely believe what you know, just as you wouldn't just believe the water falling on your head is rain if you know the water falling on your head is rain.

budaatum:
No, i am not saying anything about Meta.

I am saying I don't need to prove to you that a thing that does not exist does not exist because you have sufficient information yourself to know if your god exists or not.

Below is Meta on the subject. I've also added from Chatgpt so it can't be said we are consulting one AI alone.

You don't merely believe what you know, just as you wouldn't just believe the water falling on your head is rain if you know the water falling on your head is rain.

Below is chatgpt...

Truthseeker10:
Below is chatgpt...

And it is accepted. I still maintain that my personal position on the existence of gods is not something i need to prove to you.

I did my own research for myself and found no evidence for the existence of any gods, and that they are all human creations.

You are Truthseeker10, which I will presume means you seek the truth to the tenth level and wouldn't just rely on me telling you what I found when I sought the truth for myself.

So, go seek with all your own heart and soul and mind and being. Start from the earliest gods please, some listed below, and come tell me if any of them have ever existed.

budaatum:
And it is accepted. I still maintain that my personal position on the existence of gods is not something i need to prove to you.

I did my own research for myself and found no evidence for the existence of any gods, and that they are all human creations.

You are Truthseeker10, which I will presume means you seek the truth to the tenth level and wouldn't just rely on me telling you what I found when I sought the truth for myself.

So, go seek with all your own heart and soul and mind and being. Start from the earliest gods please, some listed below, and come tell me if any of them have ever existed.

Lol....so you are not going to prove to us that you "know that gods do not exist"?

Is chatgpt also lying or wrong for telling you to prove what you know?

Truthseeker10:
Lol....so you are not going to prove to us that you "know that gods do not exist"?

Is chatgpt also lying or wrong for telling you to prove what you know?

You are funny. Did chatgpt tell you it can command me to tell you what I want to tell you or not?

There is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of gods, you'd find if you bother doing your own research, which I did so I may know because it was important to me that I know.

If it's important to you, you'd do your own research so you too may know instead of asking me to prove to you what I know. I mean, its not like you are so important that I must prove anything to you, and neither are you paying me to educate you. Or are you?

No gods exist nor have any gods existed. Take it or leave it, no skin off my nose.

budaatum:
You are funny. Did chatgpt tell you it can command me to tell you what I want to tell you or not?

There is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of gods, you'd find if you bother doing your own research, which I did so I may know because it was important to me that I know.

If it's important to you, you'd do your own research so you too may know instead of asking me to prove to you what I know. I mean, its not like you are so important that I must prove anything to you, and neither are you paying me to educate you. Or are you?

No gods exist nor have any gods existed. Take it or leave it, no skin off my nose.

🤣🤣🤣Baba dey make claim....no proof....he run go ai when I ask for proof. I counter am back with ai.
..e don start to shout say e no fit educate again oo...sorry no cry.
Enjoy chatgpt again Jare.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Baba dey make claim....no proof....he run go ai when I ask for proof. I counter am back with ai.
..e don start to shout say e no fit educate again oo...sorry no cry.
Enjoy chatgpt again Jare.

My statement was not presented as proof nor evidence, but was a statement of my knowledge, which I do not need to prove to you nor educate you about because there is no point in trying. I've been here long enough to know that, and choose not to waste my time.

Hope you can live with that.

budaatum:
My statement was not presented as proof nor evidence, but was a statement of my knowledge, which I do not need to prove to you nor educate you about because there is no point in trying. I've been here long enough to know that, and choose not to waste my time.

Hope you can live with that.

Lol...So your knowledge is in your head only and not a universal knowledge of fact? Wow...enjoy chatgpt again.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...So your knowledge is in your head only and not a universal knowledge of fact? Wow...enjoy chatgpt again.

Can you prove that spiderman don't exist?

sonmvayina:
Can you prove that spiderman don't exist?

Did I claim that he existed?

Truthseeker10:
Did I claim that he existed?

No you did not. I am asking you to prove he never existed.

Did Adam(Man) fall? Fall from where to where ?
The story is about man being introduced to one of the principles governing the universe. That is the principle of duality(polarity). It simply means that everything God created exist in pairs i.e in twos.
If man you enjoys birth...surely he would experience death.
Some die as soon as their born, some after 100+ years. But ultimately death is sure.
Same goes for hot and cold
Up and down
Beautiful and ugly
Fast and slow
Big preeq and small preeq
Wide and tight
Open and closed
Etc.
There is no Satan anywhere. The serpent was just part of a story nothing more. It simply means to beguile, and we all know where it starts from.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...So your knowledge is in your head only and not a universal knowledge of fact? Wow...enjoy chatgpt again.

It can't be universal because people like you can not bother to go seek knowledge about it and are waiting for fir people like me to come indoctrinate you like you've been indoctrinated to believe gods exist, despite having no evidence for their existence whatsoever.

You after wouldn't ask me to prove to you that Zeus or spiderman does not exist, but you ask me to prove to you that imaginary gods do not exist.

Personal research, is my advice to you, and not chatgpt. But I guess this is the lazy era we now live in where AI replaces your pastor.

God is just personification of consciousness.
The universal divine consciousness. Not a bearded Jewish man up in the sky.
Then the lower case G, are the personification of the laws and principles of life....what the yorubas call orishas.

Nothing more.

budaatum:
It can't be universal because people like you can not bother to go seek knowledge about it and are waiting for fir people like me to come indoctrinate you like you've been indoctrinated to believe gods exist, despite having no evidence for their existence whatsoever.

You after wouldn't ask me to prove to you that Zeus or spiderman does not exist, but you ask me to prove to you that imaginary gods do not exist.

Personal research, is my advice to you, and not chatgpt. But I guess this is the lazy era we now live in where AI replaces your pastor.

🤣🤣🤣but you used chatgpt to tell me that you did not have to prove that you "know that gods do not exist" not until I busted your lies that you needed to prove....up till now you don't have any evidence or prove that you "know that gods do not exist".....so what's the difference between you and those that "know that gods do exist"?

sonmvayina:
No you did not. I am asking you to prove he never existed.

Where did I claim that he never existed?

Truthseeker10:
Where did I claim that he never existed?

So spiderman is real then.
Buda leave this guy alone.

sonmvayina:
So spiderman is real then.
Buda leave this guy alone.

Where did I claim that spiderman is real? Kindly show me.

Truthseeker10:
Where did I claim that spiderman is real? Kindly show me.

Ok prove that he is not real

I just want to show how illogical it is to ask somebody to prove a negative. When you have not shown him a positive.....he holds a position of there are no Gods. And you are asking him to prove that there are none, and you have not shown him any.....

sonmvayina:
Ok prove that he is not real

I just want to show how illogical it is to ask somebody to prove a negative. When you have not shown him a positive.....he holds a position of there are no Gods. And you are asking him to prove that there are none, and you have not shown him any.....

You are funny and illogical with your analogy.
Kindly show me where I made a claim that you are asking me to prove?

Your guy that you are defending claims to "know that gods do not exist" and he claims that his statement is the "truth".

Read the screenshot below to be educated when one makes such a statement.

budaatum:
Of course I'm going to respond to you and ignore all your insults.

Your above, the bold, precisely, is thoughtful for making it seem like God was in the Image of Adam, whom we presume had a body like yours. Yet, I bet you wouldn't agree that God has a body like yours, or would you? Was God made of mud too?

But of course you are just trying to weave your belief into the text which clearly states, according to KJV, that "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them". And they were given the duty of rule, subdue and multiply, while Adam of mud was placed naked in a garden to tend it, and was paid less than the Image who's job was a lot more.

The thing is, those who brought you the KJV also believed for about 1500 years that Adam was the same as the Image of God. It's how they too were colonised by those who took the Bible to them. And so they don't see the truth themselves, the Bible was kept in Latin. But they eventually ate fruits of knowledge and translated it into their own native language, and their eyes opened so they could see that God had created two different forms of humans, one to rule, and the other to be slaves.

Pity is, instead of now spreading their own new understanding, they sold you their old abandoned one, and enslaved you with it, and here you are.

Thankfully, you can't live forever fearing knowledge will kill you.

It's a real pity that the delusions you've been open to has blinded you to the truth. I won't argue with you neither will I expatriate further seeing you'll never see what I want you to see but I'll just say this and leave it at that. God is a Spirit and when he made man. He created him in his image and likeness which is in a Spirit form. This man which God had created was to fulfill an earthly assignment which was to dominate, replenish and subdue all the creatures and things so God had to form man and breath into the formed man the image and likeness he had created thus making the formed man a living soul. This you would never see because of your deluded mind. What makes the formed man different from the created man? Nothing. Mr budaatum this is where I'll leave you with whatever your beliefs are

Truthseeker10:
Who exactly was Adam, the dust or the breath of life?

Mr Truthseeker this question I'll not answer because it has been explained in my post and the Word of God which is the Bible already has it stated. If you can't grasp that; I don't have an answer to this question of yours.

AngelahFlo:
Mr Truthseeker this question I'll not answer because it has been explained in my post and the Word of God which is the Bible already has it stated. If you can't grasp that; I don't have an answer to this question of yours.

🤣🤣🤣you are funny.....so God was telling the image without a body to eat fruit from the tree in Genesis 1:29?

Below is Genesis 2:7

King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Oga where does the Bible teach that God put an image into a suit?
Does the verse above not teach that man and not suit was made from the dust?

Below is Genesis 3:19.

King James Bible
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return

Did God claim above that Adam was not dust but an image without a physical body?

Truthseeker10:
Do you personally agree that God exists?

Mr Truthseeker you ask questions that reveal the foolishness and delusions of men which is good but there's a time and place for that. When you notice like this brother of ours Mr budaatum spouting things like this then you should know that he'll never accept that he's wrong. Why his Pride won't let him. It's the same thing that did Lucifer who became satan in. He never admitted defeat even when it's glaring that he has failed and can never win.