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SkengRay:
as a depth Psychologist we tend to try to study beliefs how they originate. JW is different from other Mainstream Christianity so I want to Really understand for real. So I need direct answers Bible verses alone ain't just cutting in it.
1. JW don't believe in the Idea of Trinity? I know you guys have different views compared to others churches Share them with me. I'm the most liberal free Spirited free thinker you'd ever meet. JW don't see Jesus the way other churches just gimme clear Explanations just like I did mine.

I know you don't want to be affiliated with that name "CHRISTIANS" due to the confusion these countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are teaching so when you said:

SkengRay:
I don't agree that Jesus is the Way to God

I perfectly understood what you meant.

So instead of banking on what those religions used to irritate you try to know the real meaning of what they quoted for you back then.

TRINITY is pagan traditions borrowed after the death of first century disciples of Christ to increase members of the churches because they don't know how to go about the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned and they want to increase the numbers of their followers they have to welcome different pagan traditions for people practicing it to accept their religion.
That's why you can't see the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:
God's purpose for establishing faith in Christ is to connect all faithful people throughout the world and make them one! Isaiah 2:2-4

No first century disciple of Christ witnessed this but with the help of the complete Bible we have achieved it today!

"Connect all faithful people" meaning what?

So what exactly do you know that Paul didn't and WHEN was the Bible completed?

MaxInDHouse:
I know you don't want to be affiliated with that name "CHRISTIANS" due to the confusion these countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are teaching so when you said:



I perfectly understood what you meant.

So instead of banking on what those religions used to irritate you try to know the real meaning of what they quoted for you back then.

TRINITY is pagan traditions borrowed after the death of first century disciples of Christ to increase members of the churches because they don't know how to go about the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned and they want to increase the numbers of their followers they have to welcome different pagan traditions for people practicing it to accept their religion.
That's why you can't see the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible!

Was it also pagans that told them (Matthew 28:19), "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

Cc: SkengRay

MaxInDHouse:
I know you don't want to be affiliated with that name "CHRISTIANS" due to the confusion these countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are teaching so when you said:



I perfectly understood what you meant.

So instead of banking on what those religions used to irritate you try to know the real meaning of what they quoted for you back then.

TRINITY is pagan traditions borrowed after the death of first century disciples of Christ to increase members of the churches because they don't know how to go about the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned and they want to increase the numbers of their followers they have to welcome different pagan traditions for people practicing it to accept their religion.
That's why you can't see the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible!

Exactly The Christianity has been Mixed up witb Roman Pagan Tradition I've spent the Whole day arguing with Dtruthseeker on this. He sees everyone has pagan except himself. Me saying I'm not a Christian is that I don't belong fully and don't align with every aspect. I've this Last three years Study other Religions and they all have aspect I accept and parts I completely reject. They all have Rules every member has to adhere too - My Major problem I can't obey all so I will always be an Outcast. Jesus Stands out from all other figures to me because of the way he Was selfless and Compassionate till the End. I don't believe he died for our Sins. We Will all get judged at the end of each cycle.

There is absolute sense in what you have said.

josielewa:
THE TRUTH IS NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE GOING AFTER DEATH. ALL LIVING ORGANISM ARE JUST AN EMBODIMENT OF ENERGY. WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE YOU WERE BIRTHED? YOU DONT KNOW, LIKEWISEYOU NOT KNOWING WHERE YOU WILL GO WHEN YOU DIE. CREATOR HAS PUT CREATION INTO AN EVERLASTING LOOP CALLED REPRODUCTION. PEOPEL KEEPDYING AND PEOPLE KEEP GIVING BIRTH ON A DAILY.

WHAT BIRTHED YOU OR CREATED YOU IS THE MIXTURE OF CODE AND ENERGY. YOUR PARENTS EXCHANGED FLUIDS AND MADE YOU, SAME WAY ANIMALS EXCHANGE FLUIDS AND BIRTH THEIR OFFSPRING. WE ARE ALL ENERGY WALKING, TALKING AND DOING GREAT THINGS. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU ENERGY IS TAKEN BACK INTO THE EARTH AND YOUR PHYSICAL AWARENESS ( THIS WORLD) IS GONE. YOU BECOME MANURE, AND YOUR ENERGY FLOWS BACK INTO THE EARTH. WE ARE BEING RECYCLED. YOUR DEAD BODY IS GIVING TO THE EARTH AS DUST, SAND, MANURE ETC, PLANTS GET ENERGY FROM YOUR DEAD AND ROTTEN BODY, HAVE YOU TRIED LEAVING A DEAD BODY IN FIELD, WHAT HAPPENS, IT ROTS AND THE ENERGY IS TAKEN BY THE EARTH AND TRANSFORMED INTO ANOTHER TYPE OF ENERGY, MAYBE NEW PLANT, MUCOUS, FUNGUS ETC..

THE QUSETION ABOUT WHERE WE GO IS ANSWERED IN THIS WRITE UP, WE ARE GOING NO WHERE, WE ONLY TRANSFORM ENERGY THROUGH THE POWER OF THE EARTH(SOIL), WE ARE ALWAYS HERE 100% OF THE TIME. DO YOU IF YOU HAVE EATEN THE ENERGY FROM ANOTHER ANIMAL OR HUMAN, THE PLANT , ANIMALS AND HUMANS ALL GET AND GIVE ENERGY TO ONE ANOTHER.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SPIRITUAL OR RELIGIOUS ANGLE, I WILL SAY THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. BUT AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED, IF HUMANS DIE, THEY GO NOWHERE, THEY ARE STILL A PART OF THE UNIVERSE..

WHAT MADE YOU ASK THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS TO QUESTION THINGS, TAKE THAT AWAY AND YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS I THE FIELD, YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS WHAT IS BEGGING THIS QUESTION. WE ALL DONT ACTUALLY DIE, WE JUST ADD TO WHATS INTHE UNIVERSE, WE ARE GOING NOWHERE....

WE CAME FROM THE DARKNESS AND INTO DARKNESS SHALL WE RETURN., IF YOU LIKE ARGUE WITH YOUR KEYBOARD, YOU WERE CONCEIVED IN DARKNESS, THE SPERM WAS IN DARKNESS, YOUR MUMS EGG WAS IN DARKNESS, YOU GREW FOR 9 MONTHS IN DARKNESS BEFORE BEING BIRTHED AND SEEING THE LIGHT, WHEN YOU DIE, THE LIGHT FADES AWAY AGAIN, AND UNTO DARKNESS SHALL WE ALL RETURN

DiarisGodoo:
"Connect all faithful people" meaning what?
So what exactly do you know that Paul didn't and WHEN was the Bible completed?

The Bible was completed when Jesus sent an angel to show apostle John some things that will happen in the last days {Revelations 1:1} by that time all the apostles were dead in fact John wrote this book around the year 96 a.d. and later God's holy spirit moved him to write about Jesus in the year 98 a.d.

One significant thing John penned down in this last book that most of the first century disciples didn't know is what Jesus said in the presence of Peter about apostle John.

This apostle was the youngest among Jesus' apostles and the one Jesus loved most so Jesus told him that he has a message for him which will make John last longer than the rest {John 21:22} but Peter out of anxiety spread the word among believers that Jesus said John will not die until he (Jesus) return {John 21:23} so in his own gospel account John corrected this wrong view that Jesus didn't say so.

This means most of the first century disciples of Christ thought apostle John will not die until Jesus return but today someone like me knows better.

Why? Because i am reading the last gospel account that corrected that wrong information!🙂

KidFromForeign:
Oga,he asked a simple question.
Can you prove it or you are just regurgitating some brainwashed ideas force fed you?

What is The point of gifting a 2025 Benz Gle to a 12 year old. He will ruin the car and kill himself.

SkengRay:
Exactly The Christianity has been Mixed up witb Roman Pagan Tradition I've spent the Whole day arguing with Dtruthseeker on this. He sees everyone has pagan except himself. Me saying I'm not a Christian is that I don't belong fully and don't align with every aspect. I've this Last three years Study other Religions and they all have aspect I accept and parts I completely reject. They all have Rules every member has to adhere too - My Major problem I can't obey all so I will always be an Outcast. Jesus Stands out from all other figures to me because of the way he Was selfless and Compassionate till the End. I don't believe he died for our Sins. We Will all get judged at the end of each cycle.

The highlighted is indisputable fact but since you don't want to believe it it's OK i also didn't welcome faith in Christ easily until i began asking thought provoking questions about what God meant with all of these! Proverbs 2:2-5

SkengRay:
as a depth Psychologist we tend to try to study beliefs how they originate. JW is different from other Mainstream Christianity so I want to Really understand for real. So I need direct answers Bible verses alone ain't just cutting in it.
1. JW don't believe in the Idea of Trinity? I know you guys have different views compared to others churches Share them with me. I'm the most liberal free Spirited free thinker you'd ever meet. JW don't see Jesus the way other churches just gimme clear Explanations just like I did mine.

As a psychologist yourself, do you have a belief?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible was completed when Jesus sent an angel to show apostle John some things that will happen in the last days {Revelations 1:1} by that time all the apostles were dead in fact John wrote this book around the year 96 a.d. and later God's holy spirit moved him to write about Jesus in the year 98 a.d.

One significant thing John penned down in this last book that most of the first century disciples didn't know is what Jesus said in the presence of Peter about apostle John.

This apostle was the youngest among Jesus' apostles and the one Jesus loved most so Jesus told him that he has a message for him which will make John last longer than the rest {John 21:22} but Peter out of anxiety spread the word among believers that Jesus said John will not die until he (Jesus) return {John 21:23} so in his own gospel account John corrected this wrong view that Jesus didn't say so.

This means most of the first century disciples of Christ thought apostle John will not die until Jesus return but today someone like me knows better.

Why? Because i am reading the last gospel account that corrected that wrong information!🙂

But Revelation was not the last writing. There were other apocaliptic writings after it.
Carefully read the below and tell us again WHEN the Bible became complete as a book

DiarisGodoo:
Was it also pagans that told them (Matthew 28:19), "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".
Cc: SkengRay

I didn't know in time that you quoted me.
Apologies please it's not intentional.

In the Jewish tradition when someone comes in the name of another person it means doing exactly or telling people exactly what that person wants you to do. So baptism in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit means each disciple must understand how God, Jesus and the holy spirit works. This will help the disciple to know when someone is doing things wrongly yet claiming it's for God.

For instance Jesus emphasized on the importance of his father's name {Matthew 6:9; John 17:6; 26} so any religion or group that undermines God's personal name is a no go area for a true disciple of Christ.
Jesus can't do anything without his father's consent and he always imitate his father in all things so if any religion says Jesus is independent of his father we will not agree.
The holy spirit is the force God uses to accomplish His purposes and it works only according to God's will so any supernatural act not in harmony with God's will is the works of demons to the disciples.

DiarisGodoo:
But Revelation was not the last writing. There were other apocaliptic writings after it. Carefully read the below and tell us again WHEN the Bible became complete as a book

So whose will do you think made the Bible book of Revelations the last book? 2Peter 1:21

Well there's no other verse in the Bible that emphasized on NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION except the last book REVELATIONS! 22:18-19

If God has further information such can't be included in a book that's not the last to be revealed that is how to test the inspired expressions! 1John 4:1

chimex38:
Hmmm.
Sexual orientation from birth.
Never looked into this before. You have a point.

That being said, let's look at the following living realities.

1) So how does a 2yr-12yr old child know his/her sexual orientation when at that age bracket, it's all pre-puberty.

2)Based on reality, There are stories of "supposed Homos" who still end up sleeping with opposite? what does it say?
Where did such attraction come from all of a sudden?

3) also, I believe Vast majority of people in this category are more of sexual preferences(choose)
than sexual orientation.

4) also, i tend to believe it's more of a genetic dysfunction(no insult intended) than a sort of birth-orientation.

At the very least, without being biblical, It has no evolution reason, so to what end?

More research will need to be done then. I think as these researches will be few and recent. Counter researches will exist.
There isn't a general consensus yet I suppose.

Neither does sex urge after or before child-bearing years have evolutionary reason.

A young child doesn't have sexual orientation.

Some people are bi, some are asexual, etc. There are a bunch of orientations.

Humans can become cannibalistic in face of starvation talkless of practicing homosexuality when opposite sex are never around.

Genetic dysfunction and birth-orientation result in same thing, and it's neither is choice

MaxInDHouse:
I didn't know in time that you quoted me.
Apologies please it's not intentional.

In the Jewish tradition when someone comes in the name of another person it means doing exactly or telling people exactly what that person wants you to do. So baptism in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit means each disciple must understand how God, Jesus and the holy spirit works. This will help the disciple to know when someone is doing things wrongly yet claiming it's for God.

For instance Jesus emphasized on the importance of his father's name {Matthew 6:9; John 17:6; 26} so any religion or group that undermines God's personal name is a no go area for a true disciple of Christ.
Jesus can't do anything without his father's consent and he always imitate his father in all things so if any religion says Jesus is independent of his father we will not agree.
The holy spirit is the force God uses to accomplish His purposes and it works only according to God's will so any supernatural act not in harmony with God's will is the works of demons to the disciples.

Apology accepted.
You go explain tire.
Trinity is implied all over the Bible.
Genesis 1:26 ("Let us make man in our image", where God speaks in a plural pronoun, and Matthew 28:19, which is an explicit baptismal formula mentioning the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Description of God the Father sending the Messiah (the Son) endowed with His Spirit in Isaiah 48:16, and the interaction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at Jesus' baptism in Matthew 3:16–17.

Was it pagans that did all that?

MaxInDHouse:
So whose will do you think made the Bible book of Revelations the last book? 2Peter 1:21

Well there's no other verse in the Bible that emphasized on NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION except the last book REVELATIONS! 22:18-19

If God has further information such can't be included in a book that's not the last to be revealed that is how to test the inspired expressions! 1John 4:1

Did you read the screenshots. Revelation was not part of the Bible till the 4th century and is still not part of some Bibles.
So again, WHEN did the Bible become complete as a book??

The highlighted shows your intention but i'm not here to win an argument rather to clarify matters.
So if you feel the Bible is incomplete as reliable information from God it's OK you can continue with whatever source that's pleasing to you but as for us it's the Bible and Bible alone! Joshua 24:15

Thanks for your time and may you have peace!

DiarisGodoo:
Apology accepted.
You go explain tire.
Trinity is implied all over the Bible.
Genesis 1:26 ("Let us make man in our image", where God speaks in a plural pronoun, and Matthew 28:19, which is an explicit baptismal formula mentioning the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Description of God the Father sending the Messiah (the Son) endowed with His Spirit in Isaiah 48:16, and the interaction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at Jesus' baptism in Matthew 3:16–17.

Was it pagans that did all that?

DiarisGodoo:
Did you read the screenshots. Revelation was not part of the Bible till the 4th century and is still not part of some Bibles. So again, WHEN did the Bible become complete as a book??

Only the last book that will say:

NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelation 22:18-19

That's how to test the spirit! 1John 4:1

Dtruthspeaker:
Then you have a lot of hearings to sort out. And neither is it my place to sort out and nullify all your hearings.

What I nullify and challenge is people's beliefs.

So when you have sorted out your hearings and chosen a belief, then you can come challenge me

Running away you soon....you asked if I have heard and I told you I did with tons of other similar ones as well....then I further indicated that you should answer the question I put forward or explain how asking me another question which I still provided an answer for answers my question from your own end and the best you could come up with is some flawed excuse to run away. .

No problem though.... Running away is allowed....Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Only the last book that will say:

NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelation 22:18-19

That's how to test the spirit! 1John 4:1

NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION TO REVELATION NOT THE BIBLE!!!
There was no Bible when Revelation was written and is still not part of some Bibles.
Be intellectually HONEST!!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows your intention but i'm not here to win an argument rather to clarify matters.
So if you feel the Bible is incomplete as reliable information from God it's OK you can continue with whatever source that's pleasing to you but as for us it's the Bible and Bible alone! Joshua 24:15

Thanks for your time and may you have peace!

You've been severally asked, WHEN was the Bible completed as a book?

DiarisGodoo:
NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION TO REVELATION NOT THE BIBLE!!!
There was no Bible when Revelation was written and is still not part of some Bibles. Be intellectually HONEST!

Honesty starts from knowing that there's no other book in the entire Bible having such a warning in its conclusion so God's holy spirit is telling us that is the LAST INFORMATION! 1John 4:1

DiarisGodoo:
You've been severally asked, WHEN was the Bible completed as a book?

Your intention is to add other source of information to God's inspired word but we are not part of such.

After Jesus sent an angel to present the book of Revelations to apostle John {Revelations 1:1} can you be honest enough to tell us who else was alive to write any other book?

Thank God for his organization that's the light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16

Jesus told apostle John that he has a message for him and all first century disciples believed that apostle John will not die until God's Kingdom comes! John 21:22-23

So if anyone wants to argue that there comes another inspired expression after the Bible book of Revelations is it out of place to ask who wrote such a book?

Mattswaggz:
Running away you soon....you asked if I have heard and I told you I did with tons of other similar ones as well....then I further indicated that you should answer the question I put forward or explain how asking me another question which I still provided an answer for answers my question from your own end and the best you could come up with is some flawed excuse to run away. .

No problem though.... Running away is allowed....Lol.

Don't be silly. how do you accuse me of running away from an argument when you do not have any stand on the argument?

The thread shows you said you have heard about others and their stories but did you tell us what Stand (belief) and conclusion you came to showing that you have subjected them to proper scrutiny and evaluation?

No! You haven't.

In all these, have you told us what basis you are standing on in which to participate in the debate?

Again, no! You haven't

So how can you participate in a debate when you have not even taken a firm position on the issue so that everyone would know which side you are standing on in determining who stood and who fell?

So, it is you who is running from the debate as you refuse to show us who you are and what you believe in.

Clearly you are a man who stands for on nothing

If you can't stand the heat, the kitchen is not for you. Harry Truman

Every man eventually is backed up to the wall of faith, and there he must make his stand. Ezra Benson

So are you going to take a stand or you going to run away blowing grammar?

MaxInDHouse:
Honesty starts from knowing that there's no other book in the entire Bible having such a warning in its conclusion so God's holy spirit is telling us that is the LAST INFORMATION! 1John 4:1



Your intention is to add other source of information to God's inspired word but we are not part of such.

After Jesus sent an angel to present the book of Revelations to apostle John {Revelations 1:1} can you be honest enough to tell us who else was alive to write any other book?

See below as to the consensus of biblical scholars about authorship of Revelation and whether it is the only book in the Bible with the warning

DiarisGodoo:
See below as to the consensus of biblical scholars about authorship of Revelation and whether it is the only book in the Bible with the warning

I don't fall for every wind of information {Ephesians 4:14} so please QUOTE any other verse that says what is written in the last Bible book as warning regarding adding or subtracting the information!🙂

Sirchiboy:
When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.

There are only two destinations: heaven and hell. If you are born again and walk in the light of God’s Word, your spirit goes to heaven after death.

If you are not saved or born again, your soul goes to hell.

Sirchiboy:
When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.

What happens at death is no mystery to Jehovah, the Creator of the brain. He knows the truth, and in his Word, the Bible, he explains the condition of the dead. Its clear teaching is this: When a person dies, he ceases to exist. Death is the opposite of life. The dead do not see or hear or think. Not even one part of us survives the death of the body. We do not possess an immortal soul or spirit.Read Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10.) Similarly, Psalm 146:4.

DiarisGodoo:
Neither does sex urge after or before child-bearing years have evolutionary reason.

A young child doesn't have sexual orientation.

Some people are bi, some are asexual, etc. There are a bunch of orientations.

Humans can become cannibalistic in face of starvation talkless of practicing homosexuality when opposite sex are never around.

Genetic dysfunction and birth-orientation result in same thing, and it's neither is choice

I think Sex-urge has evolution for men folks at least whether pre or post (ask Ned ).
For women, you may have a point to an extent; but miracles do happen(Sarah ).

The world would have ended long ago if that's was the order of the day.

My point is, most, if not all the right and perfect things in our genetic makeup contribute to the survival of the human specie.
Any other aspect of ones genetic constituents thats either present or absent is probably a dysfunction that should be treated.

If a young child doesn't have sexual orientation, it then contradicts the research that says it's been pre-determined from birth. It then supports the option that the child can choose his/her orientation at later years don't you think? 🤔

Also, as per your response how does a group of people without sexual orientation at pre-teen suddenly move to all sorts of orientation post-teen? You want to believe the gene all of a sudden just manifested the desires in them post puberty without external influences? I don't believe so. People tend to want to explore, then it leads to addiction then they tag it their identity (like even betting, drugs, etc. even create friends around such identity).


Your cannibalistic example just kind of proves a case in point.
If someone chooses to be cannibalistic where there are different varieties of food to choose from? isn't he/she abnormal or dysfunctional.
Would you rather support the cannibalism with any ongoing researched thesis that says it's imprinted from birth, when it threatens the survival of its own specie?

Tayorshd87:
..
Are you serious 😳😲
Or an illusion??

Well I know it do existed but ur narrative is questionable....


When my father died in the first 2/6months he do appear in my dream whereby I will serve him food just like d way I normally do it when he was alive but at some point I didn't see him again

Very serious. I was very worried for her because she kept complaining.

Truthseeker10:
So how could the man feel thirsty for water without a physical body?

Oga are you saying that hell and grave is the same?
Does not your bible say that God destroys both body and soul in hell, So when did the body start going to hell?


🤣🤣🤣what is the difference between hell and hell fire?
you said people will be cast from hell to lake of fire....so where is "hell fire" in all of this?

.when you dream you can feel thirsty too, or feel anyway the physical body can feel in your dreams, that doesn't mean your physical body is there in the Dreamworld, same thing happens in the spiritual world too. The rich man was dead, but he still had memories of his physical life on earth, memories that he still had families here on earth who are still living in sin.

Truthseeker10:
So you don't know where she is now and the name of the place?

Lol...Your question sounds sarcastic, but I will answer you anyway. Initially, she told me the name of the place which I was able to recall even when I woke up. I didn't memorize it, and I eventually forgot it.

Recently, I haven't bothered asking her where she is again because she seems happier now and have stopped complaining.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't be silly. how do you accuse me of running away from an argument when you do not have any stand on the argument?

The thread shows you said you have heard about others and their stories but did you tell us what Stand (belief) and conclusion you came to showing that you have subjected them to proper scrutiny and evaluation?

No! You haven't.

In all these, have you told us what basis you are standing on in which to participate in the debate?

Again, no! You haven't

So how can you participate in a debate when you have not even taken a firm position on the issue so that everyone would know which side you are standing on in determining who stood and who fell?

So, it is you who is running from the debate as you refuse to show us who you are and what you believe in.

Clearly you are a man who stands for on nothing

If you can't stand the heat, the kitchen is not for you. Harry Truman

Every man eventually is backed up to the wall of faith, and there he must make his stand. Ezra Benson

So are you going to take a stand or you going to run away blowing grammar?

If you like quote DJT.... that's your problem...all I know is that you haven't answered the question I put forward and neither did you indicate that I should disclose my stance (which should even be after answering the question) before you'll answer so run along kid and leave talk for matured men.

That your little derailment, gaslighting and finding excuse to run away technique wouldn't work on me.....if you had an ounce of common sense and you're honest then you would've long answered the question instead of all this beating about the bush, gaslighting and quoting some unrelated persons words. .