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DiarisGodoo:
Are you intentionally being obtuse? The discussion is, you said people never die, which of course implies they've always been around. Question to you is: WHERE WERE THEY WHEN THERE WAS ONLY TWO PEOPLE??

Dtruthspeaker:
Quote where I said "people never die"

For what I addressed is your
"Where did the billions of people come from if life started with two people?"

DeepSight:
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No need to meet.

Just show me the evidence.

Of what element in the body transits to a different realm.

End of story.

DiarisGodoo:
Ok, I was responding to the wrong moniker.
I thought my discussion with you was about gays?
How did you get into the "people never die" discussion??
Do you have alternate monikers?

Truthseeker10:
keep being happy

2. Claiming to know how life began is as absurd as me telling you what happened when you were born.

If you weren’t conscious to verify it, are you just going to accept my story when many contradict it?

3. Culture is a way of life, shaped by the meanings people attach to it. Some are buried simply, others with cows and parties. These reflect the values societies give to life.

4. Divisions arise from differences, culture, gender, perception, language, belief. To overcome them, see yourself as human, beyond labels.

Unity comes when you look past religion, caste, class, or family. Even being a believer separates you from nonbelievers.

5. You may use the Bible as a moral standard, but you act rightly because you know what’s wrong, not because a verse says so. This book has been used to enslave, murder, and oppress millions.

Moral consciousness exists outside it. If the Bible were your only guide, what would stop you from stoning a child, killing, or enslaving a person, afterall, it says, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything..."?

Are atheist countries worse off for lacking it?


6. Look at what you worship: tribalistic. He divided humanity, confused tongues, and set tribes against each other. The 144,000 of the New Jerusalem, twelve thousand from each Israelite tribe, exclude Gentiles. Division is built in.


P.S.

You’ve been conditioned to repeat stories, twisting evidence to fit them. That’s not thought, it’s training. And when scripture says “my people perish for lack of knowledge,” it’s backwards: people began to perish because they gained knowledge after eating the fruit...

So, I should not tell you that the biblical deity demands that you don't engage reasons because his foolishness is wiser than man's greatest wisdom.

Roycemadeit:
It’s baffling that a perfect God would let His “precious word” be mistranslated for centuries,

Truthseeker10:
Oga what exactly is rebirthing that is not dying?

Are you saying that soil is a living thing?

DiarisGodoo:
You didn't answer his question. Where did the billions of people come from if life started with two people?

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you know that this guy you are talking to believes he is the only one with the sole right to ask questions? And that you have no right to ask him questions.

Do you not see how he has been asking questions since?

But if you ask him one that sinks his case now, you would see, he won't answer you.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop mixing things simply due to what you heard from false religionists.

The Bible never say life will end o!

Tayorshd87:
Ok the coming back of Christ and anti Christ etc 🤔
Is that not the end of life ??
According to the Bible it is stated clearly we should be expecting them

Truthseeker10:
Oga I'm not twisting any of your words....kindly point out the word that I am twisting by answering the questions below.

Does that verse says that any activity occurs in the grave in Ecclesiastics 9:10?


Where did the rich man in the parable go to, hell or hell fire?

If you say that hell refers to the grave, are you saying that the body does not go to hell?

You have given us the Hebrew and Greek word for "hell", can we get the Hebrew and Greek word for "hell fire"?

Lyricalz01:
Ordinary i won't have replied anymore, but for the sake of those not grounded in faith, who are also reading your comments. I will for the very last time summarise and also simplify most of those questions you have raised. The debate surrounding death, life, hell, grave, eternal life, hell, hellfire etc.


(1) Relationship between death and hell
Hell (in English) original means place underneath the ground where the dead is buried (grave), however, in biblical and spiritual terms, hell is referred to a place underneath the ground also, a place of torment for sinners (temporary place pending the final judgment)
Understand these terms with wisdom.
Read further
Psalm 6:5, 9:17, 30:3;
Numbers 16:30,33
Isa 14 v 9
Prov 15 v 4
Eup 4 v 9
Rev 1 v 18
From these we can see that hell is beneath, grave is also beneath, hell is a place of death, whoever have Christ(life) will not face death (hell), so hell is death.


(2) Before the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, anyone who dies goes to hell(death)
Eup 4 v 9
Luke 16 v 19 -31

The rich man, lazarus and Abraham were all in hell, same place (hell) but different compartment.
Abraham and Lazarus were up, while the rich man was beneath, that was the reason the rich man had to look up on sighting lazurus and also was able to speak to him. They were all in one place but different positions. It was so obvious that the anguish was for only those underneath (the place the rich man was)

3: Why do the righteous had to die and also go to hell

From the beginning, man sinned and the punishment for sin is death (hell),
So no matter how righteous one live, we were all cursed to experience death (hell). The coming of Jesus Christ changed that narrative.
Read further
Gen 3 v 17, 19
Rom 6 v 23

4. Jesus Christ to the rescue.

Before the coming of our lord jesus Christ, whoever dies goes to hell ( death, grave), thats so because man has sinned and the punishment of sin is death (hell). Rom 6 v 23
Now Jesus came, was crusified and died just to take our sins away, so whoever dies no longer have to face death (go to hell) but have evalasting life ( eternal life - life after death of the body.)
When Christ died, Christ himself had to goto hell(death), because he was 100% Man, and same time 100% God.
Ephesians 4 v 9
Yes, he went beneath to take the key of the gate of hell(death), Rev 1 v 18
and that whoever believes in him will not die( go to hell) but have everlasting life( eternal life).
Now, whoever accepts christ and dies no longer go to hell (death) but have life abundantly.
John 11 v 25
John 14 v 6
John 10 v 10
John 5 v 18
John 6 v 27, 33, 51, 58
Phil 1 v 21
1 cor 15 v 22


5: So what does God actually wants from us.
If you say, for man to praise God at all times, to worship him, to live an holy life, you are not far from the truth.
But i will tell you one thing God really want from us.
Man sinned and was cursed ( death/ hell ), but God so love the world, that he had to made a sacrifice for our sake so that the cursed on man can be reversed.
So this is God (the son) saying , believe in me, DON'T DIE, but live( have eternal life) , thats whats so important to God, and that's what he really requires from us.
John 3 v 16.

6. Difference between HELL and LAKE OF FIRE (HELL FIRE)
Hell ( death, grave, or biblical meaning of the place of temporary punishment for sinners, )
After the death and resurrection of Christ, Christians no longer goto hell(death) but paradise. The curse of death has been lifted away by christ.
Rev 1 v 18

Hell fire is a place that will be prepared by God for the devil, his agents and followers, AFTER the final judgment.
Death and hell will be casted into the lake of fire ( hell fire) to be destroyed forever.
Rev 20 v 14-15

Lyricalz01:
Ordinary i won't have replied anymore, but for the sake of those not grounded in faith, who are also reading your comments. I will for the very last time summarise and also simplify most of those questions you have raised. The debate surrounding death, life, hell, grave, eternal life, hell, hellfire etc.


(1) Relationship between death and hell
Hell (in English) original means place underneath the ground where the dead is buried (grave), however, in biblical and spiritual terms, hell is referred to a place underneath the ground also, a place of torment for sinners (temporary place pending the final judgment)
Understand these terms with wisdom.
Read further
Psalm 6:5, 9:17, 30:3;
Numbers 16:30,33
Isa 14 v 9
Prov 15 v 4
Eup 4 v 9
Rev 1 v 18
From these we can see that hell is beneath, grave is also beneath, hell is a place of death, whoever have Christ(life) will not face death (hell), so hell is death.

(2) Before the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, anyone who dies goes to hell(death)
Eup 4 v 9
Luke 16 v 19 -31

The rich man, lazarus and Abraham were all in hell, same place (hell) but different compartment.
Abraham and Lazarus were up, while the rich man was beneath, that was the reason the rich man had to look up on sighting lazurus and also was able to speak to him. They were all in one place but different positions. It was so obvious that the anguish was for only those underneath (the place the rich man was)[quote]lol....so Abraham, the poor man and rich man were in a hell underneath this physical earth with their spiritual soul? Na wa oo

So what would be the difference between the place where the rich man is and hell fire?


[quote]3: Why do the righteous had to die and also go to hell

From the beginning, man sinned and the punishment for sin is death (hell),
So no matter how righteous one live, we were all cursed to experience death (hell). The coming of Jesus Christ changed that narrative.
Read further
Gen 3 v 17, 19
Rom 6 v 23

4. Jesus Christ to the rescue.

Before the coming of our lord jesus Christ, whoever dies goes to hell ( death, grave), thats so because man has sinned and the punishment of sin is death (hell). Rom 6 v 23
Now Jesus came, was crusified and died just to take our sins away, so whoever dies no longer have to face death (go to hell) but have evalasting life ( eternal life - life after death of the body.)
When Christ died, Christ himself had to goto hell(death), because he was 100% Man, and same time 100% God.
Ephesians 4 v 9
Yes, he went beneath to take the key of the gate of hell(death), Rev 1 v 18
and that whoever believes in him will not die( go to hell) but have everlasting life( eternal life).
Now, whoever accepts christ and dies no longer go to hell (death) but have life abundantly.
John 11 v 25
John 14 v 6
John 10 v 10
John 5 v 18
John 6 v 27, 33, 51, 58
Phil 1 v 21
1 cor 15 v 22

5: So what does God actually wants from us.
If you say, for man to praise God at all times, to worship him, to live an holy life, you are not far from the truth.
But i will tell you one thing God really want from us.
Man sinned and was cursed ( death/ hell ), but God so love the world, that he had to made a sacrifice for our sake so that the cursed on man can be reversed.
So this is God (the son) saying , believe in me, DON'T DIE, but live( have eternal life) , thats whats so important to God, and that's what he really requires from us.
John 3 v 16.

6. Difference between HELL and LAKE OF FIRE (HELL FIRE)
Hell ( death, grave, or biblical meaning of the place of temporary punishment for sinners, )
After the death and resurrection of Christ, Christians no longer goto hell(death) but paradise. The curse of death has been lifted away by christ.
Rev 1 v 18

Hell fire is a place that will be prepared by God for the devil, his agents and followers, AFTER the final judgment.
Death and hell will be casted into the lake of fire ( hell fire) to be destroyed forever.
Rev 20 v 14-15

Tayorshd87:
If soil is not then why did God created Adam from the same soil 🤣

Tayorshd87:
I didn't believe in that assertion that it started with Adam and Eve though it's a frame or fictional story or believe...
...

Even if I agree what about animals?? Is it not by nature they existed ??
Bro life is nature 🍄‍🟫 and forget Abt religious perspectives

MaxInDHouse:
God has told us in the Bible these things will happen and there are reasons why He must permit it.
He said Satan (a rebellious angel) is behind this acts but we need to use discernment for us to know how Satan is using his tactics.

Roycemadeit:
I wonder what Satan says... If God permits it, then you could say God is using Satan and by extension that is God behind "these acts."

MaxInDHouse:
The words of Satan is recorded in the Bible:

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad." Genesis 3:4-5

This is where the investigation begins if you want to understand what has been happening around you.

God told the first human couple never to think of setting up standards for others as in their yet unborn children rather they are to rely on what God set as standard for right and wrong. This is the meaning of the tree of good and evil.

Satan told Eve (the first woman) that God lied regarding their return to non-existent and that if they should decide to live by their own standards they will surely succeed and not only that this couple will become God for all their yet unborn children.

From that very moment till today 99.99% of humans believe in setting their own standards and forcing it on their fellow humans that is what led mankind to start having human governments (rulers) something that's against God.

So if you don't understand something try to ask others around you at least there is no crime in calling out for understanding! Proverbs 2:3 compare to Matthew 7:7

May you have peace!

Roycemadeit:
I have peace, you don't gotta wish it...
God said they would die after eating it, well they didn't die.

Roycemadeit:
If they don't know good and bad, how then can they differentiate between the two?

Roycemadeit:
But, here is the baffling thing, God made a garden, and didn't put a gate to keep the devil out... He instead made a gate to keep Adam and Eve out, lest they eat of the tree of Life...

Roycemadeit:
He punished Adam, Eve and serpent... Funny, how serpents don't eat sand but rats, rodents and the likes...
They they believe fables as reality, look woman get 1 rib...

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they died the day they ate the fruit as no human ever lived up 1,000 years which is a day in God's own eyes! 2Peter 3:8



Evidence you never read through the comments you just picked few words and started making your own comments.
The tree of good and bad means setting standards for others (their yet unborn children/generation) of course they know what is good and bad literally speaking nah!🙂




Satan is a spirit not human so no gate can keep him out of the garden nah!🙂




Do you know that snakes according to their DNA had limbs but till today scientists can't explain why this limbs refused to grow out from their bodies.

I think that is enough to make us think deeply about what the Bible says!🙂... Anyways, he still went to have meetings with God about job... Are you sure God and Satan didnt have a bet on your biblical ancestors?

So, God kept Satan out of heaven to come to earth to get all the allowances he might desire?

So, in the creation story, when God made on the first day is actually refering to what he made in 1000 years, so day and night are like 2000 years?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they died the day they ate the fruit as no human ever lived up 1,000 years which is a day in God's own eyes! 2Peter 3:8


Evidence you never read through the comments you just picked few words and started making your own comments.
The tree of good and bad means setting standards for others (their yet unborn children/generation) of course they know what is good and bad literally speaking nah!🙂


Satan is a spirit not human so no gate can keep him out of the garden nah!🙂


Do you know that snakes according to their DNA had limbs but till today scientists can't explain why this limbs refused to grow out from their bodies.

I think that is enough to make us think deeply about what the Bible says!🙂

Roycemadeit:
"I am in shock that you know snakes don't eat sand?"

Roycemadeit:
So, God kept Satan out of heaven to come to earth to get all the allowances he might desire?
And it was called the tree of the fruit of knowledge...

Roycemadeit:
So, in the creation story, when God made on the first day is actually refering to what he made in 1000 years, so day and night are like 2000 years?
Peter don enter God eyes to know that God doesn't see night only day... The sun shines for a 1000 years apparently

Ken4Christ:
You are still under the spell of your false teachings. Adam died that very day spiritually. And spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. The Bible didn't say that 1,000 years is a day before God. It said, 'It's like a day. This is a figure of speech. Please, go back to school. When you say that she is fat like pig, does it make the person a pig?

Roycemadeit:
Life has no purpose except the one you give to it. I used culture to define it, as it is defined as a way of life.

Are you saying that those who didn't know about God, don't have a concept of wrong and right?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible called it "dust" not "sand" 🙂
Meaning the figurative snake will feed on whatever he sees humans doing here on earth instead of the spiritual food (divine guidance) creatures on earth were all created from dust {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} so Satan can't get any guidance from the divine anymore rather it's the earthly creatures that will determine his next line of action throughout the rest of his life until God destroy him!🙂


If you have met Churchians claiming they are Christians this is not the usual Churchgoer o so instead of jumping to conclusions thinking you have gotten all the answers try to ask questions and wait for response otherwise you will get yourself provoked while thinking you can provoke me with your attitude.
Satan wasn't driven out of heaven from the beginning God separated him from among his loyal spirit sons so Satan was in spiritual darkness meaning there is no further divide information he could get from that very moment.


Peter became a born again Christian and it's these anointed Christians that God started revealing sacred secrets of what happened in heaven to which Satan and other rebellious angels have no access to! 1Peter 1:12
So the Born Again Christians knew so much that even ancient servants of God before them never knew.

BORN AGAIN are not misinformed Churchgoers o!
So take a deep breath before asking the questions, your attitude can never ever piss me off like you have done to those misinformed churchgoers.

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that the purpose of life is culture? Is that the purpose why we're here?

If you agree that they do, what is the ultimate standard for determining what Is right and wrong?

Roycemadeit:
I am not here to soften the truth. If God wanted His message clear, it would not have been buried under centuries of translation, debate, and human tampering. The Bible did not descend from heaven; it was written, edited, and selected by men. A message that must be endlessly reinterpreted cannot condemn anyone for misunderstanding it.

Timothy’s claim that “all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit” never meant the Bible as we know it. That collection did not exist. Yet today, believers defend contradictions, moral conflicts, and endless reinterpretations as divine truth. Thousands of churches read the same book and preach different doctrines, each selecting different portions from God’s imperfect words that syncs with their ideal of perfection.

Let's shine candlelight: Catholics don't agree with Jehovah Witness, just as Abel Damian is deemed a reprobate by fellow Christians...

Satan, often blamed for evil, is only performing traits God created. If God watches while destruction unfolds, He shows a love even for the devil that many humans never receive. The cosmic battle looks less like justice and more like an experiment, with humans as pawns, God and Satan playing their roles.

Christianity itself spread on violence, conquest, and coercion. Guns, chains, whips, and Bibles brought people to the faith. Brutality, manipulation and indoctrination enforced conversion, yet believers speak of the gospel as THE GOOD NEWS!!!

Everything we know, everything we call divine, was shaped, interpreted, and maintained by human hands, from the divinity of Christ, to the canonisation of the books that made it to the bible and clarification of doctrine. If God remains silent while His words are twisted, authority rests not in heaven but in the mind of the interpreter.